A Forced TikTok Sale? How the Company Could Become U.S.-Owned | WSJ
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- TikTok is at a crossroads, as U.S. concerns about its Chinese ownership grow. Some officials have explored the idea of forcing a sale to a U.S. company. WSJ explains the challenges of making that happen.
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Imagine a Chinese media puts out a video titled "How apple could become a Chinese company?"
Exactly
Oh no, but the Chinese desperately want the same for Tesla in China as America does for TikTok.
@@kieranthomas8190 That will be a good deal. Tesla to China, tiktok to the US.
@@kieranthomas8190 BYD : Am I joke to you 😎😎😎😎
@@kieranthomas8190 Tesla has LITERALLY been given a free reign to completely own their company operating in China.
I'm worried more of Google, Facebook, Google Map and other "free emails" companies that have full access of all my data.
Use the proton mail first, come an ancap second.
No you shouldn't be worried, it's politically wrong to think like that.
Interesting modern imperialism.
They are more advance than you think, I saved my WORD doc. with file name --- The Sound of Music, into my computer, next day, they sent me CZcams video, The Sound of Music, 😲😲😲😲
😂and you still use there services.? Lol
so US wants to play the Alstom trick again?
10 years ago, the US is about free trade/market, now it’s all about national security.
all thanks to china 😁
C.I.A. Criminals In Action
And a Disney character named Winnie the pooh had a role to play in it.
China banned Facebook, Google, Instagram, Telegram, Twitter, CZcams, WhatsApp for decades, so I guess US finally woke up and noticed there is no free trade/market in China.
@@chigrikmarak3107 Right, it's all others' fault.
USA: It is a national security issue until it is part of USA company.
Honestly in this case it's a threat to national security to absorb a business that's virtually guaranteed to contain potential spies that are loyal to the Chinese Government, in my opinion.
Tiktok could be severely cleaned up, however, we could insist that if they're going to operate here at all, they need to alter the algorithm to push actual useful information to the million of children blindly absorbing their current trash heap of unconscionable content.
Meanwhile they push STEM style educational videos to their children. Food for thought.
See this is what we call western hypocrisy hahaha
Means out government gets the data...
Muhahahhahaha
I hope you not using any apple products.
It's okay if the information is stored in the U.S., but not okay if the data is stored in an adversarial country that finds ways to spy on sensitive secret information.
@@spy_balloon this is never hypocrisy
A US company is subject to direct us controls; being a chinese company is a risk due to the autolitarian mandatory compliance to the communist party
Just pause and think about that before blabbing
Is this not stealing?
Exactly
No, this is robbery
@@MrRealren Precisely
No, this is a stick up
@@MrRealren when china does it its theft, when usa does it its ethical
If you can't beat them, ban them. If you can't ban them, buy them.
Adobe knows about getting rid of the competition
Do you believe in free trade?
US: Yes
US: but actually no.
笑
This is a consequence of China banning American social media companies first
America can’t stand that Chinese social media surpasses American social media companies. Meta ,google,snapchat tracks your location, tracks what websites you went, your searches.
This is not the case at all. Social media companies are copying TikTok features, because that’s what all companies do in order to remain competitive. It happened plenty of times with Google, Meta, Snapchat, Microsoft all before.
Also, TikTok Is not revolutionary. It was done before (remember Vine?) that was TikTok before TikTok. It’s just that twitter squandered it.
Plus we have the right to enforce any rules we see fit. They don’t allow American social media companies to operate in China like that, why can’t we do the same?
chinese companies are stealing personal info that's a big problem
Hypocrisy🤢🤮🔥FACT🔥 Twitter did the same🔥 Saudi royal mafia owns big chunk of Twitter & has targeted critics & dissidents after Twitter employees provided their detail info & locations to the saudi regime. 🤢🤮
Because china is evil and the usa is good 😆 🤣 😂
@Rugged Discipline when was last time China invaded a country because that country had oil?
talking about Amercia wanting to own the biggest social platforms
This. GURL we all know why. Those who control the social apps control the narrative of the world. Mhhhm
Yup
CCP bans all US social media. US should allow Chinese social media, why?
when China only asked Google to place their server in China, they refused & called that authoritarian censorship and then left China. Tiktok followed all the regulations but still forced to sell or leave.
Except Google doesn’t need China to be successful. While TikTok needs a massive user base from USA, they really depend on it and the reason TikTok got so popular in the first place was thanks to USA market share, I am not saying others don’t matter but US has large population and large user base so more profit, that’s how Snapchat, Meta and other companies actually succeeded, I don’t think Snapchat and Meta apps are as popular in other countries as they are in the USA. In general Europe’s and China’s economy heavily depends on US market.
@@Shawn.Shooter tiktok has huge far more user in China then US. In fact it's also popular in Asia, South America and Europe. It's influence is growing, Tiktok success doesn't depends on US user alone🤪🤪🤪
@@Shawn.ShooterThe US economy is fake.....!!!!!!!! stock markets are casinos not real economy.....!!!!!!! you depend everything from China......!!!!!!!!! China can survive on it own but the US will be dead, if the US and China can't trade no more......?????!!!!!!! America took 50 years to to diver its economy to make more profits.....!!!!!!! But if America want to rebuild it will take another hundred years to build back sad by that times China is already live in mar.....!!!!!!!!!
you must know that, bytedance became successful without tiktok, but it was not a global company that time.
@uzumakipongzei6853 tiktok is banned in china so who paid you to say that?
Let TikTok be Chinese, at least in my country most other social media are American so let's welcome some diversity in that regard
Problem is the Americans don’t see it that way. They want everything to be American
Why be afraid of competition
Unless you (people/companies) are weak.
China bans American social media, so we have the right to ban theirs
Twitter had vine like 10 years ago but they fumbled it
Yeah. Missed opportunity
fumbled & then fell asleep for 7 years
How TikTok could become an American company?
Native Americans: Hold my beer
If Tiktok is considered as dangerous, the world should also ban CZcams, Windows, MacOS, Android, Google Map, Gmail, Hotmail, etc, literally every software from the United States.
What about US based company like Microsoft, government has asked Microsoft for backdoor into Windows.
you guys are basically talking about stealing it. as usual.
that’s what china does.
@@Kevin-fq3zh only America like to stealing everything from other countries and accuse other countries what America guilt of,you are typical American.lol
@@Kevin-fq3zh nah, china's wider economy is alr past stealing. Just like how Tiktok is proprietary.
@@Kevin-fq3zh it's what foreign companies sign in their contract for knowledge transfer when they want to operate in China. Also sometimes requires a chinese company to sponsor a foreign company. Western media just likes to omit this fact when they twist it as china stealing.
@@Kevin-fq3zh seems like US is no different
Using device to enforce the ban would not work. Recently, a state university had an official ban of Tiktok, however users just switched device or switched wifi to 5G, and made the ban ineffective. Then what's the ban or sale of the company? To really ban it, one has to do what China does, establish a national firewall, and say goodbye to freedom of speech and privacy. Even China cannot do it 100%, people use VPN and proxy cities to get over the national wall of cyber security.
so how come china has different version of tik tok ?
@m m the company's strategy ofc. There are so many short videos platforms in china like KuaiShou app，little red book app, even watermelon short video app by Byte Dance, TikTok's mother company. Actually the name of TikTok domestic clone app is called DouYing, which literally means " Shaking music or sounds", not TikTok. So we can't call them the same app by their names.
@@directxxxx71 ccp have acces to it no matter the name . it should be banned like jack ma in china
@@mm-hq4qh because this is something that came about due to America's insistence to make Tiktok 'secure' Doyuin which is China's Tiktok was rebranded as Tiktok to be able to enter the Western Market. This meant data servers and algorithms of Tiktok are separate from China's Tiktok (Douyin). Also Tiktok is a lot more westernized in name than Douyin which helps in western market penetration.
@@mm-hq4qh I don't it should be banned. I like it as an American. And I honestly don't care if the CPC is getting my data lol. I'd be more concerned with American apps giving the CIA my data. What is China gonna do with my data anyway lol??
Viscosity will only make more capital firms to learn from, the popularity has proven that this was a successful business model. Even if tiktok is banned, shorts, instagram and other platform will eventually approach it anyways.
Huh ok
@@herisuryadi6885 same profilepic
@@austinyang7294Oh thats interesting
How is it any different from Google or Facebook? Google collects a lot more personal information
Exactly, it's "free market" as long as the USA is ahead, otherwise is knee capping time.
Yes but the American government controls those so 😃
That's literally the only difference imo
Yes but the difference is that they're not Chinese. Only the US government is allowed to access data collected from citizens.
quid pro quo. China restricts US access to its market. US is now doing the same. the privacy bs aside(if you want privacy dobt use it). as brain damaging as Tiktok its important for not falling behind in the technology space esp. not losing to a competitor.
TikTok is only being "addressed" because legacy social media companies are threatened by the competition. As the userbase for Facebook, Twitter, and other major social media sites slows, having another social network pop in and take up the time of their potential (and younger) users is a danger to them. If these legacy networks want us to stop using TikTok and other newer social networks, then they need to innovate and do things better instead of trying to stifle new players.
Says a fool who trusts the Chinese Communist Party with Americans' data.
@@badluck5647 I trust the Chinese government about as much as the American government, which is not at all. If you think the American government is full of benevolent people, look up Edward Snowden's NSA incident.
@@sergioaprietojr America collected emails sent out of the country on a server that can only be accessed with a warrant. That does sound exactly the same the Communist Party collecting blackmail material on children and secretly censoring topics they don't like.
@@badluck5647 You don't think topics are censored in the United States? Or that people aren't already being blackmailed here at home? The NSA's mass surveillance program was and is a big deal, as well as China's mass surveillance program. Look at major news networks and tell me they aren't censoring topics that they don't like. Get a grip on reality, and quit pretending like you know what you're talking about.
@@sergioaprietojr Just keep your tinfoil hat on so the Illuminati can't read your thoughts.
the same applies for Facebook and + . China also has same concern.
seems wsj doesn't know what shameless means
This is going to pave a way for a whack-a-mole situation. If China loses ownership of TikTok, they could easily acquire other on-the-rise brands. They already have Likee and Bigo Live, and those apps are being heavily marketed on CZcams ads.
Remember what happened when Trump tried to ban Tiktok? Don't mess with the Dragon.
"Free Market"
A company subordinate to a foreign Communist government hardly fits into the Free Market
if you can’t beat it, then steal it - American style
TikTok USA data stores in USA (which google refuse to do in China hence the exit). TikTok has large portion of USA investors build in (anticipate a situation like this). Forced sale has the lowest political cost, that's why they are constantly pushing it.
It also stores in the Chinese location as well.
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle you have been misled and brainwashed by your own politicians and media.
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle it is all about politics and bashing competitors from outside US. If Huawei, TikTok, WeChat, Alibaba and all other software are within the control of the US, there won't be no more security issues, it is just as simple as that.
@@SW-fy8pq No it isn't about competition, that's misinformation. It's about reducing the threat of cyber espionage. Leaks confirm that the Chinese government can see into TikTok data form American users. This is not about competition if an adversarial government can store data on as many users as they want.
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle misinformation, not true.
"The IP address that could located their position"
Google Maps do that for years, you're move by few steps they're know
U.S. always has national security concern on any foreign-owned successful company Period
China was investing in Grindr? 💀💀💀💀💀
Just can't compete.
"Talks are ongoing without a clear deadline". lol
TikTok shutting down will be best thing to happen in social media history.
That's what grandpa always says.
@@ChrisJu3 That's what anyone with an iota of intelligence would say. The US doesn't need anymore degeneracy.
i couldn't agree more
@@righteousone1 hiding the symptom isn't gonna fix the disease. TikTok algo reflects the society, degeneracy is what degenerates see lol
@@righteousone1 There's a long list of TikTok alternatives operating in the US, how come we rarely hear media/public complaints about them?
I thought it already did?
There is no Social Media outlet as addictive as Tiktok. Its crack
that is the purpose the CEO admitted that TikTok was created for the mentally ill and unemployed
not as addictive as onlyfan and pornhub
@@peuppeuppeup tiktok is normalized and encouraged, think of alcohol
Twitter is full of pornography accessible to young kids 😂😂😂😂
This is the exact same thing that was said about Facebook and Instagram
It would have been good to include that a number of countries have restricted or banned tiktok. Although most of the countries are smaller/emerging markets, the notable one is India which did so on the grounds of data privacy and defense.
google Apple Twitter are laughing at the private Dada badly
US should also ban it. Destroying Youth of America
There is no privacy online, just look at the Snowden case as an example. Its only a matter of making your citizens data available to the American government or Chinese government. Imagine claiming "data privacy" when the American government can still access Indian citizens data. This just reeks of brainwashing.
India is an authoritarian dictatorship that has horrible human rights abuses. They have a literal caste system and treat women like cattle. I don't think they're a country we should be looking at for inspiration.
Pretty sure it's geopolitic things
Doubt it
Publish news about Abrams asp please. Thanks for your international work👍.
"national security risk" 😂
So unfair
familiar playbook
Claiming Tik Tok has data security issue=calling Oracle traitor
Okay. Oracle is a traitor lol
Are you implying that it is ridiculous to believe that?
@@BigBrotherMars boycott Oracle and sell it to China
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle Oracle is CIA partner
@@weihong5294 😂 no it isn't
It STARTED as a CIA project, not one anymore
I could be wrong but I believe Oracle leadership runs in the same circles with business leaders on the Chinese side? Ie, Ray dalio and Larry Ellison are pals.
Shhh, as long as it appears to be, no one will ask questions.
It’s been 2 hours since you commented. You still alive?
Hypocrisy🤢🤮🔥FACT🔥 Twitter did the same🔥 Saudi royal mafia owns big chunk of Twitter & has targeted critics & dissidents after Twitter employees provided their detail info & locations to the saudi regime. 🤢🤮
You mean Ray Dalio runs on the Chinese side? :)
Please leave youtube...
Chinese investors have invested on alphabet stocks.
😂🍿😎
In your dreams, all these concerns are a manifestation of insecurity on the US side. An epic fall from what the US used to be.
*"all these concerns are a manifestation of insecurity on the US side"*
Or it is an attempt to decrease the chance of adversarial espionage
Bro, give your data to the Chinese then
@@shwethang4347 Americans and chinese are the same, they also own your data. the only difference is the U.S only wants that they are only one collecting data.
Isn't there an international law that forbids the export of a Chinese company selling to an American company?
remind me the Alstom case
The American love to tell others what to do, including a Chinese private company, it is very absurd.
In other words they're going to ruin TikTok and make it another hyper-censored app like CZcams or Facebook.
Lol. All in talked about this
Aku nggak percaya dengan pemerintah China. Tapi aku lebih nggak percaya sama pemerintah Amerika 😂😂😂 bilang aja kalau ini soal bisnis. Facebook, Instagram, CZcams kalah saing. Jadi mereka mau maksa tik tok jadi perusahaan amerika.
Tik Tok has long been an American company, in the definition of global multinational companies.
2:11 that's 100% true.
Now we are engaging in forced IP transfer???
What about Twitters link with the US government
All major social media apps are tied to it. No escaping it
Google's link NSA PRISM.
There you go, cause it's not about national security, is about US tech giant companies loosing grounds to TikTok, like Facebook or any other tech company, they don't like that
"It's not bad when I'm the one doing it"
tiktok would never do that to begin with
US: stop stealing our technology! Oh please please sell Tiktok to us!
How about free market or freedoom? Now they have a challenger from another country suddenly they want to ban companies from operating in the US. The thing that they've been criticizing the Soviets and Chinese.
I don't use TikTok, I don't need it. I use CZcams.
totally different experience
Who cares
If tiktok becomes a US Company, I'm becoming a US Top 10 Most Wanted
just ban tik tok ...
But they want the money that comes from TikTok. Why ban it when they can steal it?
You can't do that without violating the first amendment or without creating a great firewall as China does. At that point, you're just as evil as them.
The American way 😆 🤣 😂
@@dywang32 why is tweeter baned in china?
Actually, I feel it is ridiculous to ban Tiktok. For example, everyone in China use GPS as the location system, which owner is American and they don't care about that. Companies just want to earn money.
Hypocrisy🤢🤮🔥FACT🔥 Twitter did the same🔥 Saudi royal mafia owns big chunk of Twitter & has targeted critics & dissidents after Twitter employees provided their detail info & locations to the saudi regime. 🤢🤮
China has their own GPS system called beidou 😂
@@senjin8244 But Chinese government didn't ban civilians use of GPS.
@@pxtract why you want to ban someone using own GPS system and software?
China banning civilian surfing the internet out there is because they knew 80% of their population had no ability to judge the truth of the information over the net, in fact 80% of the population in the world believed in misinformation over the net, now you can see how they end up.
We are living in an era full of misinformation
To be simplified, 80% of the population of the world are idiots
"everyone in China use GPS as the location system, which owner is American and they don't care about that"
Yes, but the U.S. doesn't store more than just tracking data out of GPS users. That is different with TikTok.
Could we talk about a ban on Josh Hawley 5:36, or will the next Missouri election make that unnecessary? 🤔🤡👎
Hypocrisy🤢🤮🔥FACT🔥 Twitter did the same🔥 Saudi royal mafia owns big chunk of Twitter & has targeted critics & dissidents after Twitter employees provided their detail info & locations to the saudi regime. 🤢🤮
No to monopoly.
art of steal
Now I have a new joke: the USA is free market country! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂
I wonder what company would buy TikTok would Google do it.
fb maybe, but they might be prevented from buying
RIP punctuation 💀💀💀
TikTok should be owned either by Twitter, Microsoft or Oracle. I am in favor of TikTok for sale.
Within 22 hours!
Tick Toc is toxic don't use it
And it’s the only toxic one, right?
If you’re feeling sad it could be really good to watch cat videos for 5 minutes
An app being toxic?
A knife can be used for murder. Don't use it! You sound stoopid
@@rabbitazteca23 what's even shocking is the comment is being liked
If you can't beat them buy them or ban them.
Proceed carefully, The European Union doesn't like the idea of their citizen's information on American social media network servers either.
Also what about Google /CIA maps, should other countries demand ownership or restrict the use of their mapping data?
If you cant ban them. Buy them 😂
rob them
Awesome
couldn't fight it?then ban it.or destroy it. who is the evil here?
Just ban the damned app🤦😅, atleast it's easier than banning guns in USA🤨
Just make a tiktok US and ask users to move there, by paying celebs to endorse it and popularize it.
Should be easier than this complicated nonsense
Hypocrisy🤢🤮🔥FACT🔥 Twitter did the same🔥 Saudi royal mafia owns big chunk of Twitter & has targeted critics & dissidents after Twitter employees provided their detail info & locations to the saudi regime. 🤢🤮
US tech companies can't figure out the recommendation algorithm. There's been a handful of TikTok copy cats that have failed. Have you heard of thriller?
@@dywang32 No what is it about? but isn't finding some researchers easier than this?
Remember kids, any nation with a president is a corporation and not a country. 28 U.S. Code § 3002 - Chapter 15; "United States" is. A.) Federal Corporation
Make the steal legal.
Omg yesss, US killing competition or buying it, love it!
I love it!
US social media companies cannot operate in China. It's only fair.
shame
Been doing it for over 200 years. In the 1800's - 1900's they blatantly stole English, French and German intellectual property and ignored any complaints. IP laws are only followed by the weak.
Its not about the fact that its competition really. Its about the fact that the biggest lie factory ever in the history of mankind, the CCP, has its fingers in something that affects millions upon millions of Americans and others in the West. Thats a national security threat plain and simple.
Tiktok is already an USA company since 2021. It's owned by Oracle.
Is there any difference between Instagram short or CZcams short and TIK TOK? Why only criticize TIK TOK?.In my opinion, TIK TOK is already an American company.
Why did MICROSOFT want to buy TIK TOK, knowing that it was a threat for national security? 😂
#HYPOCRISY
Microsoft or Meta Facebook
Dream on WSJ.
TikTok will never be an American company.
Ban it .
Free market I guess
How Walmart should be a Chinese company then...
stealing
US: "Tiktok is dangerous... Tiktok is stealing our information... Tiktok is dividing US... blah blah blah."
Tiktok: "Fine, we will sell Tiktok to you.'"
US: "Tiktok is the greatest invention after youtube. Brilliant!"
Sounds like what a authoritarian country would do lol...
just playinv by the same rules china does. nothing wrong here
@@Kevin-fq3zh so you finally admit the US is also authoritarian but market itself as freedom loving and democracy?
As an American, I dig it!
Go live in china, your social credit would be great
@@Kevin-fq3zh downgrade to China level. Nice move.
just banned it from america and europe
It reminds me of the slogan "internet is open and free" , but only when American companies dominate.
Then bring back Vine
TikTok has a very powerful AI algorithm for making the content addictive. I doubt that ByteDance will sell TikTok. My guess is that if forced to choose, ByteDance will shut down the TikTok operation in the U.S. like they did in India.
That will kill Tiktok. They are losing their most profitable market. They already lost their largest user market which was india.
@@darreldennis7115 Chinese tech companies seem tricky. It's almost as if they are part of a larger long-term Chinese plan that includes Made in China 2025. I doubt that they will sell their AI tech to the west. It's more about very long-term business strategies than short-term profit when it comes to the Chinese tech companies as I see it.
@@darreldennis7115 但是你们印度人做的软件很差呀！😂下载过印度自己的软件，做的太差！
@@user-yc4kt8lm2q 没有人谈论印度软件。中国仍然希望从印度人那里受益。这就是为什么印度有那么多中国公司
@@darreldennis7115 印度做好软件，只有一条路，从中国引进人才，或则从美国把印度人才请回来！但是以印度的工资水平，好像没几个人愿意过去！😂互联网企业人才基本在美国和中国，互联网是一套成熟的体系，运营开发推广软件维护很成熟的一套体系！印度在这方面人才方面太差！以印度的工资水平吸引不了中美的高端人才。现在看印度政府舍不舍得砸钱办办教育！要不是人才跟不上印度永远没有出头之日！
just ban it, better for everyone
Hypocrisy🤢🤮🔥FACT🔥 Twitter did the same🔥 Saudi royal mafia owns big chunk of Twitter & has targeted critics & dissidents after Twitter employees provided their detail info & locations to the saudi regime. 🤢🤮
So Us is ready to do the same like what they did to French Alstom👍👍bravo
Hey we own the world remember we do what we want
How the US could steal TikTok. Here, fixed your title
is it google also do that.. took data and share it with other entity
If you can’t compete with them, well, let’s just rob them… 😂
Property of the NSA
hpw about having NO tiktok
They talked about it at the end... Did you not watch the video you were commenting on?
@@dywang32 nah I have stuffs to do !
They want a piece of that tiktok pie. They want to make money from the app. The "security concerns" is just a front.