iiTzTimmy reacts to TSM ImperialHal thoughts on DSG's Comp issues for ALGS Pro League..
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iiTzTimmy reacts to TSM ImperialHal thoughts on DSG's Comp issues for ALGS Pro League..
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they just need to leave it at the door and get comfortable with being fucking uncomfortable
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
i wish somone told him that about playing caustic
Lolol this shit is hilarious and a great quote.
They need to get to work!!!
David “Dezignful” Goggins
Someone in the chat saying “gotta try out mirage for comp” is just devious😂
Honestly mirage ain’t even bottom 5 for comp rn. His kit is pretty solid and being a support class helps him massively.
@@MAlru005 he literally offers nothing to a comp team other than being annoying and opening support bins.
@@MAlru005he’s good until you hit diamond
@@ItsMadzHD yes, but that’s still more useful than octane, ballistic, vantage, pathfinder, and ash.
His clones could honestly be useful in close quarter team fights especially if u know how to use him. And his perks are pretty solid too.
Mirage does nothing in comp he literally offers nothing these pro players don't know how to counter. If you play masters+ lobbies you understand that therre's really no point in pressing your q or trying to invisi res someone
Dezign gets way too mad over stuff.
Enemy has from what it looks a personal problem with Dezign.
Timmy has to deal with their bullshit constantly which makes him mad/sad.
Bronzey is non existent feels like.
I think enemy is the problem.
-enemy i watched timmy's game and tbh enemy doesnt listen at all.
I think dezign is witnessing defiance because of how he treats enemy he shows 0 respect so deserves 0 respect never compliments only complains dezign has took the crown from sweet for worst teammate
As per usual, it's everyone's fault except Timmy
@@SkyzzzGaming enemy is a literal pipsqueak and should not have a say in this he is a roller fragger with 0 brain
The guy that said “timmy is keeping his ult like doublelift keeping his flash” is the goat HAHAHAHA
Seems like less of a character dispute and more of a power struggle if u really pay attention to their attitudes w each other.
Honestly, just looks like dezign is an asshole and Timmy is just in the middle of the bullshit. Of course, he be throwing but shit, all players do, including Dezign. Dezign just has no accountability and always wants to blame someone else. Reminds me of sweet and we know what sweet does to teams. He brings them down.
Cool to see Hal trying to help his competition
there is no ill intention and he plays with timmy a lot and even subs for his team sometimes.
probably because they keep on winning. Hal just wants good competition
@@renzbay123 wipe your mouth when you are done
You know Hal has mad respect for Timmy. He is the only reason Hal gives them the time of day. Hal openly trashes Dezign regularly but he obviously wants to see Timmy do well or he wouldn't be wasting his breath
@@Bractizwhat? What did he say that is glazing? Like come on bruh 😂
Hal was cooking in this one
Mad respect to Hal for trying to help them out.
I really hope they figure things out. Dezign is slowly losing it. He actually went back to Discord while Hal was giving his advice here and went after Enemy.
Vibes are seriously down. Dezign can be a great IGL but he gets pissed off regularly and too easily.
He has a weird past of helping his friends but also saying they are trash just like how he dose to his team mate. I remember seeing him watch party old E8 with Zach dezign and chaotic and he said “Zach your macro is trash go watch my vods they are all up” lol.
thats just tough love@@forksman1139
He kills the team vibes every time. Has to get past his anger management. Enemy getting the Gild Treatment when he was on NRG. LOCK IN BOYS. ALL AT FAULT
@@ReFLexX_ii Chaotic said "Don't get me wrong Dezign is great at shooting his gun but he kills the vibes"
@@bluedream0243 I mean you see him trying to stir up shit or put the blame on others then take accountability. Why did G2 start to fall? Design snapping at gent 24/7 and we all know how skilled gent can be. (Tripods actually looking sick now too btw) But look back at that. Go-to E8. Go to Dojo. Love the dudes energy when he's not being a toxic fuck but goddamn that boy needs to look in a mirror
“Wants to be David Goggins but doesn’t have the mental” bro twitch chat cooking Dezign
This is genuinely fascinating drama. Not saying I’m glad this happened, but it’s real life conflict between 3 very good players. And, I’ve never seen such a “fly on the wall” clip of drama like this. You read about it all the time on forums, X, Discord, or Reddit. But, rarely is there footage of it like this.
Are you okay?
@@bluemas5Yes. We are okay.
parasocial as it gets
@@Smoke-un4jq drop your location
Why are you watching?@@Smoke-un4jq
Imo I don’t think they respect bronzey enough As a coach unless they’re to hard headed cause if you notice with raven and tsm raven will say a comp to play and they’ll do it even if it doesn’t work out he’ll say another one and they still do it
IMO it's a mentality & culture issue.
If a team wants to succeed, they have to be willing to try out new things and hopefully find a combo that meshes with the team's playstyle/mentality. If the team isn't improving, it's falling behind because others are improving.
For culture, there has to be the understanding that when trying out new stuff, things are going to mess up here and there. Everyone has to be willing to discuss what went wrong and try to fix it. Can't be a ragebaby and blame others there. It just erodes morale and people get tired of dealing with it over time.
@@Verloren specially in a god damn scrims, its what they are for.
jesus christ motorbike!
DSG has a major team issue. It's mostly Design and Enemy but the difference between the two is that Enemy doesn't straight up blame anyone while Design does. He doesn't give a shit and he's igl advice is shit.
Dezign's way of leading a rookie like Enemy is just plain stupidity. He can be like Hal when he flamed Evan for dumb mistakes, but Dezign isn't just doing that, he's legit shit talking Enemy even when it's not his fault, and completely shuts out anything and everything Enemy tries to say. Enemy as a rookie, needs to just be let loose. Let him do his thing, yell at him when he's being stupid but give him some proper fucking respect. Hal did this with Evan and that guy turned into a top 3 player in the world. You can't IGL your star rookie like you wanna control everything they do and then bring their self confidence down into the toilet when things go wrong. Dezign needs to grow up, and Timmy needs to step tf up and be a leader since Dezign is failing to do so. He can't just sit there and let Dezign say shit like that.
it’s weird this was cut out but in the middle of hal giving comp advice dezign came back in timmy’s discord call and shit talked enemy, said he cost them $130K at champs and then left again. it was super weird and whiny. that’s why timmy said new vod dropped at 9:26
Yea I just went to go watch that Timmy vod, dezign is the most toxic dude in this whole comp scene. Blatantly said I'm not fkn playing with this fkn kid anymore
Do you know when in the vod this happens? I’ve been trying to find it to no avail
Nvm I just found it
@@virus3104 timestamp pls?
@@africanrebel7082 like around 3:20
Seeing this makes me wish Timmy apryze and nicewigg could have another run together.
As long as i got to try my ideas i would be down to try whatever my teammates wanted to try within reason.
Damn Timmy sounds like he’s given up
I been saying Design is the issue, he isnt as good as his ego thinks and he rages so much but unlike how hal rages Design gets no results, just spews toxic shit and ruins morale.
Who knows what he's like behind the curtain and everything... But the morale of the team currently isn't making it seem great.
He always seems like that one kid who picks up his ball and walks home if you don't wanna play his way.
I mean he was carrying during the qualifiers
When playing high stress games they’re has to be someone that keeps everyone positive, even after a loss & it should be the leader
Yeah dude just choose to rage without getting something out of it for doing it. At least hal rage result in constructive reaction from the team
No results?? They just got 4th at Champs? He won several online touneys when he was with G2 and is currently 21st in career earnings. Seems like one of the more successful players to me.
These Horizon 1 tricks are getting exposed this season
Dunno how I feel about Timmy just saying
“I don’t care what we play I’ll just show up and do my job”
Not quite the right passion if you wanna dominate algs
He’s insanely talented but yeah I think he’s being too passive about team decisions
he tried to be the passionate igl. but everyone was on his ass saying he is just not good enough and dezign should be the igl. And now they are seeing the result of that.
Let's be honest here, they weren't ever going to dominate ALGS.
Timmy needs to be lead. Like when hal was on their team playing scrims he lead them well. Hal just brings in that leadership vive no second guessing or alternative ideas
@@mrdeadlybaca1490yeah, has to be Timmy, he’s soo passive it is showing in comp, he needs to speak up more and with more practice coming the more he can help his team, enemy is still new, and design is just to aggressive that is not getting results this close to algs
Caustic blood bang is definitely the move rn
Keeping his bang ult for Ranked ^^ Lmao
For how long they have been playing scrims and everything, comp selection shouldn't really be a issue at this stage, them consistently changing comp leaves no room to actually improve using a comp but it seems they want to use a comp and immediately play good and dominate every time
Getting advice from the CEO lol makes perfect sense
Timmy sounds hella defeated at the end
I watch a lot of scrims and comp, honestly Dezign can rage and be toxic for sure, but a lot of times he’s honestly right. He consistently makes calls that get completely ignored and they die for it.
My observation
Most people who cry about Hal and Dezign in comments have never played an organized sport in their life. You NEED mixed personalities. You NEED that person to call out the bullshit.
So many people accept bullshit and say nothing about it
In organized sports, raging like desizn with get you cut or team will hate you. You better be Lebron, Kobe, Mahomes or Curry if you gone talk like that. I played sports my entire life and im not letting anybody yell at me but the coach idc who you are. we can talk, we can disagree but you will not belittle me unless you ready to fist fight. Yes teams fight in practice but fighting in an actual scrimmage/game is bad. Only in esports do people normalize "captains" being a-holes. Not every winning team is filled with mixed personalities. @@work4whatyouwant477
*Tim Heidecker voice* NO MORE BULLSHIT
They need a coach that actually puts everyone in their place. It’s blind leading the blind with awful debrief and communication within the team. Everyone takes accountability and you execute the plan. The BS is just wasting everyone’s time
Hal Coaching Them 🤣🤣 "What He Say"
this was posted at 4am est how am i watching this
run that lifeline comp
Someone in the chat is talkin so much trash to zachmazer while hal and timmy are havin their discussion, and it is making me laugh so hard. Best of luck to Zach's team tho
Zach team is not making out of split 1 ALGS He will be lucky if he’s making it out of lan They have been getting stomped ruthlessly in qualifiers scrims and pro league
That's probably because Zach typed "nah keep it up timmy" to Timmy in Hal's chat LMAO 🤣
Watch Hal's chat at 06:38 and you can see it xd
im not a Zach fan but there in 7th atm I expected them to be bottom 10 there doing good@@JohnJohn-bz1lq
I liked Wigg’s take. You are playing against the best players in the world in a game full of rng. Expecting to place at the top all the time is unrealistic. You will have stretches where you aren’t #1. Don’t overreact. Stick to a philosophy that is working for other teams. Spend time grinding TOGETHER. Wait it out. We’ve seen how Design’s teams fall apart many times in the past. We know it’s not his aim. They gotta get on the same page and trust that they are gifted enough for results to eventually come. Consistently adjusting your comp and style isn’t going to help the tension between you and the effect that has on comms and gameplay
I love how Hal is like god all knowledgeable always right!!!🔥🔥🔥
Then getting 4th or whatever they got really getting to his head huh lmao
You don’t have to outright say no, but if you don’t speak up that’s pretty much the same. Wise words from the CEO
Basically what it boils down to, is Timmy n bronzy wanted to get back at Dezign 's ishtty attitude n poor social skills by letting Enemy get back at him n almost encouraged it.. n it backfired in their face...
Sounds like this team has a lot of sous chefs, and no head chef.
You can tell the experience of Hal in this video. He knows exactly what hes talking about.
I only watch Hal & Evan as far as apex comp goes & after watching DSG throw over & over it really goes to show just how good TSM is. They’re levels above everyone with the exception of DZ
Hal just wants the horizon meta back again just like Dezign
Design just needs to work on his emotions as an IGL and this team can perform better without to much negative sht
Its amazing for me that Hal is the very hot headed but does the right thing.
Been playing with my friends a lot of Apex for 5 years now, I used to be the one who rages on the team but actually call out the issue of the gameplay, but not calling names to my teammates friends and decreasing the morale of the team or rage quit (both cases are disrespectful behaviour) which causes a team to fall off, now I know I was playing ranked and not ALGS but still the rage fits will ruin a team is just a matter of time, used to think and still think Hal rages and trashes too much on Reps but they havent fallen off yet as Reps doesnt take it personally and outside of the game they are friends and not just teammates!
Imo the most likely to get dropped from this team is enemy
Timmy is the "Face" of the team & Dezign is the IGL.
Not really good IGL's Free Agents right now to change it.
enemy is arguably their best player
@@TheCarGarZari 100% agree !
But i just think that he is the one that has to leave if someone has to go since its def not going to be timmy and unlikely imo that they drop the IGL
i’ve been watching the dojo/dsg since timmy started last year in CC1 with lyric, and they’re not going to drop enemy. timmy and enemy were playing together and LF1 before dez joined the team, and i think that if they’re going to look for someone new it’ll be a new roller fragger and timmy will IGL. i think they should wait until after this split to make a change though
@@TheCarGarZar that’s a little too far Timmy is more consistent He’s been carrying them for awhile in the ALGS Timmy should’ve been setting up Venmo, because of how hard he was carrying Designs issue he he is catering to them too much. He’s trying to play for them and not for himself. He still worried about what they’re gonna do and not what they should do together
@@TheCarGarZarwhat? He makes mastakes every game😂
Honestly one of Enemy or Dezign have to go. Feel like it should be Enemy, Dezign will implode mentally sometimes but the ceiling is too good to dip
Could see dezign being dropped off dsg. The first introduction with the owner didn't go well, you can tell that that toast was bugged when dezign was flipping out on enemy. With this now, it could be realistic of them looking for a 3rd and if they can't find an igl timmy would be an ok one. He already does soft calls in game.
Design is right. The fights take to long and the 3rd is engageing every time.
I agree tbh but ppl love to shit on dezign just cause.
Take too long because he takes way too long to call out decisions and actually properly take a fight.
@@callmemat1113everytime he calls out sooner, they still don't do what he said. Perfect point is when he told them to slide down that one match and they didn't and enemy got knocked
I enjoy watching Pros rage over this game. Not out of being petty, its just legitmately entertaining.
Dezigns ego is out of this world they won't win shit with that guy it's that simple.
Design has a big ego but he’s also the best player on that team by a lot rn. He need a team that just listens to him. He’s a shitty teammate but I do think he wants his team to just win
@@zkdm9125He's not the best on the team, Timmy is. He's a good player but his way of being an IGL just sucks.
@@callmemat1113 Timmy is mnk so just worse. Timmy is better at mnk then design is at control but sadly controller>mnk for literally everyone rn
dezign overheats and makes way too many mistakes as blood, if he picks up cat then they have a player who can make calls on when to wall and push, instead of enemy waiting for orders and then its way too late..
the problem is not the composition, Dez just pushes way farther than he should as blood.
Dezign is too toxic to generate positive results with, & Timmy is too talented to be such a beta. All failure falls on Timmy's acceptance of it.
think ur seeing this different this is really a enemy dezign problem
Igh imma say this there was nobody on there back which was good but Timmy had called that there was no one on there right which was true at the moment but regardless dezign should’ve scanned that way just in case because the teams that killed Timmy and enemy came from there right so he should’ve bang ult right and cat walk right so they have a opportunity to fight the team left
We all saw this coming from a mile away. Dezign cannot handle the pressure of being on a team for ALGS on the long term, and that's on him.
Caustic, Bang, gibby.
or
Fuse, Bang, Valk
or
Bloodhound, Bang, Wattson
They should just play blood bang and Valk.
That’s like the only choice neither of them are capable of playing wraith or horizon or caustic in a pro lvl lobby especially design he can’t keep up with Timmy and enemy skill caps at bloodhound so that already says enough about him
Hear me out, Maggie bh caustic or pathy bh caustic easy aggro and control comps which is what dezign wants, pathy can now scan either beacon too which could be helpful for rotates
Dezign is getting dropped any day now
Gent as the replacement 😂
Dezign is literally the IGL , dont think Gent could replace him
@@rDomii timmy could probably do a better job dezign can't control his temper still he just doesn't yell anymore and he looks like he has given up
@@swabbie2066 To me looks more like Timmy has given up saying he doesnt care what comp they play & he just plays whatever bronzey and dezign say
Edit: also dont think timmy is fit for an IGL , thats why Dezign is the IGL on that team
@@kimcheegaming6509can’t split deeds and gent, they are already a good duo they just need a third
Its like watching a plat lobby...
Hal was kinda cooking ngl
I think Dezign should learn to become a leader
everybody roasted hal when horizon got nerfed but he still more flexible than design
Design is trying to cater to enemy He’s playing for his team not for himself if that makes sense he’s worried too much about enemy getting down or being too weak to fight
I feel like design is trying way to hard to be like Hal hes spreading too much “passion” (just raging fr I tell people that shit just destroys morale) around Timmy seems like he has a lack of interest or passion in general because of design and the coach. Kinda like he has given up guess he foresees them getting sat tf down and sent home.
I think its crazy how good Timmy is and he is using a coach. Lets me know theres no help for most of us. 1 kd for me
Dezign should definitely be dropped but who should dsg pick up? Theres not a lot of good free agent igls right now.
To me they all don’t respect each others opinion. Like Timmy said they all have strong opinions on what they should do. They obviously could care less what the coach says it’s like he’s non existent. One of them just needs to step up and listen to one voice and listen to the what the coach says. The coach needs to speak his mind too he seems too scared to tell these guys what to do.
Dsg needs a better coach bronzey is just not itt
I feel bad for Toast who's paying for all this bullshit. Hope they get it together for the big tourneys later.
I think some of these teams, especially those on edge, are overthinking their comps and should run horizon
Where’s all the Dezignful has passion and all that. Rage quit scrims when yall not locked for LAN
Hal can’t say jack until he learns how not to die immediately on blood
poor timbone just dont care any more :(
Design having issues with a team again? No waaaaay
Timmy should have used bang ult, end of the day. If you in a situation where you gotta win, you gotta do what you gotta do. Useless holding your ult if you’re gonna die anyway. DSG team dynamic a bit strange. Never feels constructive, play meta until your confident enough not to. But DSG, have no confidence. They play as if they are not good enough to kill other teams. Weird. But I love Timmy, I hope they can change it up and get some success and make it to lan
Enemy needs to listen better and stop throwing while design needs to chill yelling at enemy at this point I think enemy does it on purpose to get design mad
I love how Hal’s just the goat so everyone gotta listen 😂😂😂
Imo the best choice that org can make is drop Design and make Timmy the IGL people like to shit on him for how soft spoken he is but if you listen in game he’s always making a smart and sound calls obviously he doesn’t always play at the highest level but I think the big problem is design and enemy will never see eye to eye and I think enemy is too talented to let go and there’s no good IGL free agent atm
ppl are getting mad at dezign for getting mad at trying as hard as he can to win the game, while not getting upset that timmy and enemy show no enthusiasm for the game, enemy is the most basic, silent person ive ever seen and is a stark opposite to dezign and i think it really bugs the hell outa dezign, at the same time timmy needs to grow a spine but he never will, dezign is trying to be hal 2.0 but just.... doesnt have the team for that, its sad to say but dezign should just find another team and let DSG fizzle out and die.
Timmy needs to be more of mediator like Reps is with Hal & his teammates
Enemy needs to stop being defiant/stubborn
Dezign needs to be more positive than negative
Dezign is a better IGL compared to Timmy tbh.
Dezign's IGL ability is clouded by his raging and toxic attitude, and Timmy is promoted to IGL just because of streaming fan base.
dezignful gets knocked first every time and they die like this a lot lmao brain dead igling
trying comps for like less than 10 scrims isn't anywhere near enough of a sample size to figure out your comps. Losing =/= bad comp. When TSM started the valk/gibby/caustic meta back in like...season 12 or wtv. It wasn't about "trying it out" to see if its successful, it clearly was the best option just based on logic. Timmy says that "we tried my idea so I'm quiet now" (paraphrase), but just bc you don't place well doesn't mean the idea was bad, that shit would not fly in a scientific study trying to figure out the best comp. There's too little sample size and too much bias from all parties involved. So, instead, they should find individual metrics to figure stuff out and use logic for what would actually work.
design will be gone in 3 months
Design is the best player in the team😂
@@drdrio90 that is just not true
@@intentongfuel9057 Not true? Dezign has the most success in competitive apex out of all three. Timmy didn't see much success until Dezign joined him. Stop letting footage of Timmy owning random pubs on stream cloud your mind, competitive apex is a whole different game, its why so many mechanically good players don't have anything to show for it.
@@intentongfuel9057it is true 😃
caustic becoming meta again is definetely not something I enjoy seeing.
Jhawk reacts mooreover reacting to Timmy reacting to Hal who reacted to Timmy/dez/enemy reacts to.... Jfc
drop design add Faide
Timmy, Hal, and verhulst would be an interesting team. I know it probuly wouldn’t happen but you never know
Nope. MNK is better then Timmy
Jordan AKA reps @@drdrio90
I mean.. Horizon is definitely better than Wraith...
Been saying it since day 1..... Dezign is a loose cannon and will be the downfall of DSG
Wtf is enemy have a say in anything?
Dezign is just the worst teammate to have in general.
Tsm needs to stay off valk
acting like the comp is the issue is copium
Imagine Tim,Hal,Evan that’s a god stack
ya, but not until reps goes retired
@@user-ji5lm8bi6qis tsm mnk reps?
I can see that but I feel like Timmy is a really good fragger and that’s why he plays with a super good support/anchor player being enemy. If tsm were to replace reps they would need someone whose an anchor as good as reps
Reps is the soul of that squad and I wouldn’t be surprised that when Reps walks Hal walks too.
There's no way timmy can flex like reps.. he can replace any player in most team but not tsm .. for long term, Experience > Mechanic .
So making videos about your teammates attitudes finally came back to bite you eh?
Praise in public.
Criticize in private.
All the shit dezign saying about enemy, and y’all expect enemy to respect dezigns IGL? Lmao. Dezign has been a shit teammate since forever, idk why Timmy thought Dezign would be a good idea for his comp team. LOL. At this point, Enemy is just being petty back to spite Dezign and they’re literally BOTH throwing the comp. Timmy just needs to drop them both or go ahead and drop Dezign since his whack ass wants to quit anyway. Lmao.
Dezignful is the main issue in DSG. He was the main issue from the start.
Dezign sucks!!!
Who is the DSG coach this guy is terrible
Gibby, Wattson, Catalyst is actually a decent counter to the current meta.
Timmy,gent,enemy would be good Timmy IGL
I wouldn't be confident in that roster
Ew
Your all main characters like you should be lol