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@@AllenFamilyFirewood Hi, it's Steve I don't think I have ever won anything before. Address is 36 Heath Street Sherman Maine, zip code 04776. Shirt size extra large please. Keep up the great videos. Wish I lived closer I would stop by and help split kindling
Thanks Steven!! We'll get the shirt and sticker right out to you! We pass by Sherman when we go to our camp in Portage! It is a haul, but you're always welcome to come visit if you're in the area! And if you want to help split kindling, all the better! lol
It works good for us Adam I like it because I can be working inside on crappy days or after dark . I just started using our pine slabs today an they work great just as long as the slabs are 1 in so going forward I will be sawing on the mill a lil different an keep the slabs no thicker than 1 inch .
Phil & Karen! I absolutely love that you all don’t give up on anything. Failure always creates opportunities. I think I have an idea to maybe increase kindling production with what you have and be saver on the thumbs 😂 I just need to put a little more thought into it and I’ll pass it along if I think it will pan out. Take care guys and keep smiling
Hi Phil and Karen!!😀😀 The table saw looks like it will work well. Just be careful not to cut your thumb off. I'm guessing that there might be 70 bundles in the stack. Take care my friends!!😀😀💚💚 Logger Al
I’m going say 2 bundles😁 I was thinking table saw after the last video! Guess you read my mind. I do like making bundles for that reason. It makes us different! ADDED VALUE to our firewood stand. Nice looking bundles Phil and Karen👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Todd we get a lot of good ideas from the comments an also from watching other channels like yours . The table saw speed up production a lot an now I just need to figure out a good way to turn all the slabs that come off the mill into kindling .
Thanks for the shout-out. I'm about ready to come over and get a load of cutoffs and saw them for you. Sliding arm saw would do the same if you have one of those.
Congrats to Steve for the bundle challenge! Looks like table saw is going be work fine, just be careful! That could also be useful for the mini pieces of wood for the mini solo and warm bond table top stoves.
You have a nice pile ! Should make 85 bundles :) I was selling bundles for campfires not really kindling just split small with axe & some with splitter & no one complained it wasn't all straight, It doesn't make it burn any better, they were just happy they didn't have to split it :)
Hello Phil and Karen. Phil you came up with an idea that would make more money faster than selling kindling. That idea of making a multiple blade table saw is the answer. You can design that, patent it and sell them and let every one else make the kindling. Think of all the time you would have not cutting and bundling that wood. You put that saw in a box, get paid and send it on its way!!! Remember the old saying “Work smarter not harder” This could be the start of something big. I’m sure you would have bought one if it was available. Thanks for another good video.
Well it’s not a table saw with multiple blades but woodmizer makes a resaw machine or some call it a edger that ya just feed lumber into an it has multiple blades that you can move so you can trim the barkie edges off . My brain is always turning trying to find a better or faster way to
Nice work with the table saw.i use fat pine stumps to make my kindling bundles.i split them on my county line splitter.stack it in boxes as I split,then bundle them.1 customer so far that gets 20-25 at a time.also give 1 with each trunk load sold
Nice it’s all extra $. Last yr we gave 2 bundles of kindling with each bulk load of hardwood we delivered a this yr we want to add it to all of our road side stands .
Do the opposite!!! Words to live by guys! Thanks for the mention and I hope you both have been well. I haven't heard anything about Northern Loggers this spring... Prob pretty far away from Bangor like last year. I hope you both have a warm winter! Joe
Have a 5 ton electric Yardmax. I split several full cords of red Oak and maple with it. Really surprising it's power. Only draw back you use both hands. Can adjust the stroke so you can split faster
Phil and Karen another great 👍 video,Phil maybe 🤔 raise the table saw blade up so that you could cut two or three blocks at a time also if you have two wheel barrels one for the saw and one at the pallet for stacking 😮😊❤
I did experiment with trying to cut 2 pieces at once but it made the saw cut twice as slow it’s just a small home owner table saw . We did end up putting a piece of plywood down about 2 ft off the ground to catch the pieces and the pallet was moved so it would be right next to the saw .
I do good separating the species of wood in smaller quantities. Like cherry , white oak , hickory for cooking wood . And I have learned that some will just pay more that way for larger quantities. But I still always have mixed hard wood .
Really the only hard wood we separate is the oak because it takes so long to dry . But we do separate all the splits into bundle grade , ugly or just regular firewood .
Nice looking kindling. You best get ya one them table saws that’s finger safe lol. I just put my splitter scraps in half ibc tank use that for my personal use. Hope that it takes off for you both. Keep up the good work.
I take the sawdust from my woodmizer and put it on sheet pans and then in the oven to dry. I then melt some parafin in a crockpot and mix in the dried sawdust. Scoop into mini muffin paper cups and insert a small piece of wick. Bag these firestarters up, 12 to a bag and sell for $ 5. Just another profit center to go along with kindling and camp wood bundles.
We have never made fire starters but have Ben thinking about trying some just to add to the kindling bundles . If the kindling sales take off like I’m thinking than we might just give it a try . Thanks
My wife doesn't like running the gas splitter. I bought her a 5-ton electric log splitter and she loves it. She's split several full cords of black walnut, oak, ash, and locust.
Hey Phil and Karen. Love your channel. Be careful, you’re going to have a kickback event at some point leaving wood pinched between the fence and blade of your table saw. Also, for as many ripping cuts you have to make for each piece, your odds of getting a finger or hand in the saw are pretty high. For the sake of efficient use of your time, have you considered just milling your poor grade logs lengthwise into kindling sized wood, then you’d just be left with cross cutting them to length, which would be a lot quicker with a lot less cuts. Maybe you could sell your scrap cutoffs or just continuing to burn them yourself? Just an idea but may not be right for your business. Thanks for the great content! 35 bundles. Nate
I think if the kindling business grows we could use the low grade logs on the mill an saw ito strips . I agree it would be a lot safer cutting them to length on a chop saw a making the strips on the saw mill .
Hey Phil, I believe Milwaukee and others make a thin curf blade for ripping. It wouldn't be a whole lot thinner but it would possibly create a little less sawdust but it would definitely be easier on your saw motor. Would probably be able to push it through faster also. Just a thought buddy, take care. Watch those fingers on that table saw!!!!
I will look into that maybe they have that down at the hardware store if so I will get one . Ya definitely wanna be paying attention to ware ya fingers are on a table saw kinda like running our splitter ya wanna be focused on what ya doing .
Hi guys. 67 is my guess. Thanks for the mention 👍🏻 One thing that bothers me about the saw is. The blade. If you tripped or fell and put your hand out to stop your self, well you know what’s going to happen. I knew a fella that it happen to. Not good. So, always be alert, and have the floor clean around the saw so you don’t trip. Looks like it’s going to work for sure. Will you always have a steady supply of wood to use. The next venture is. Toothpicks. 🤭🤭🤭🤭 Have a great day. Time flys when you’re having fun. 👋👋👋👋🪵🪓🔥
Toothpicks ya say hmmmmm…. Have ta think on that one lol . Ya my shop is always a mess a stuff everyware so ya right I should clean up around the table saw at least I don’t need another summer with only one hand to use . Thanks Noel
I have been doing the opposite since i started as I didn't see bundles as useful. Slowly, that is turning, but we shall see how things go over the next few years as competition is fierce.
There’s so many different parts to a wood business and different ways to go about it. We’re all to late to reinvent the wheel but there’s still ways to focus on the smaller parts an really try to expand on the stuff that pays the best . Being different is a lot more fun than just doing what everyone else does . Thanks Danial
Hi Guys. I knew before the video started, it would be either a sliding compound miter saw or a table saw. I’ve used a table saw and other electric power tools almost all of my adult life, small construction projects, house building projects, decks and making wooden toys when my boys were young etc. The only thing that make me cringe is ripping pieces that wide on a table saw. Please be careful and always keep your eyes on the task at hand!👍
Well to be honest if I had had more time we was going to build a box wedge that could go on an electric splitter an try that an we might still try that but I really like the uniform pieces that come off the table saw . Packaging sells
I think we can make that happen Nick . It’s our first yr really making kindling and I want to make sure we can keep our stands full as well . I will give ya a call this weekend or some evening this week . Be fun to do a video playing with your Easton made ultra as well .
Careful with the table saw Phil. Repetition leads to carelessness which leads to accidents. I know. Years ago l lost the tip of my thumb do something similar. 84 bundles. Mike
hi there well i dont sell firewood but make tons of kindling , all the trims off the sawmill , not as pretty or clean but alot good show best to all , john
Thanks John that’s our next step to find a way to use the slabs from our mill to make make nice consistent sized kindling instead of using it as camp wood in our bundles . I think if I can keep the slabs all 1 in thick it should work with the way we are doing it now .
Maybe firestarters in the future with all that sawdust? 🤔 might not be worth your time, but never know. That looks like a good idea for cutting the kindling. The multi blade thing would be the ticket if you can get one made. I think there will be around 197 bundles of kindling, hopefully more. Life is too short to not smile or laugh! 🙂🙃🙂
We have no shortage of sawdust especially when we are sawing on the sawmill but we was thinking about trying our hand at making fire starters to add to each bundle of kindling . I think a resaw machine or board edger for lumber is perdy close to what I was thinking for a multi blade set up . If the kindling business takes off I will have to look into one of them and modify it . Everyone likes to laugh an have fun it just so much better than being mad an ticked off at the world . Thanks Robert
The table saw will work and be relatively quick. Just be cautious of kickback on a piece or two when it's left between the blade and fence. Another way would be with a 14" or preferably bigger bandsaw with a resaw blade on it. It would saw it pretty fast also and be safer so Karen could saw if she wanted to. I have a 20" delta that we used last year for that same purpose. I had bought it off marketplace or Craigslist. Keep up the good work
We have a woodmizer saw mill an I have played with that as well for making kindling . We sawed the boards at 3/4 an then flipped em on there side an resawed at 3/4 again but the pieces broke apart anyplace there was a bad knot an made a heck of a mess and it’s outside . Being able to do this inside on crappy days was what we were shooting for an I think ya right a big bandsaw would work very good a with a thinner kerf we would get lest waste in sawdust . Thanks
@@AllenFamilyFirewood ya I agree a bandsaw sawmill would make a mess. What I was using was a 20" delta vertical woodworking bandsaw with a fence. If I can I'll try to put a link to a picture of it
The market is there for it if you want to do it. I do +5k bags per yr. I run a posch autosplit 350. It'll do that 80 bags worth in 22mins. For the time being I'd sort the clears out as you cut cause you can split it by hand faster then ripping!
Wow we just looked up a video of that machine your using that’s a neat machine an it’s fast . How much do they charge for a machine like that . That would really make a lot of kindling fast for us
@@AllenFamilyFirewood I'm not sure where they are now. They've gone up a fair bit in the last few yrs. Low thirties in Canada. The speed adjusted for firewood size will run a cord of rounds in about 9 mins!
I had a friend that made strip boats, He modded his table saw by adding extra blades with spacer, if you only added 1 extra saw blade it would double your production. 3 blades even better.
I'm going to say 42 bundles. Do you think if you stacked several together and hit them with buster would be just as fast without the waste? Just a thought. Saw doesn't seem to work to bad though
We did that a while back in a video but got the same result as hand splitting actually with multiple blocks on the splitter we got even more scrap than using just a hatchet . By using the table saw instead of splitting we can saw threw knots a twisted grain an we get more pieces pr board to use as kindling . We want to rig up something so we can also start using all of our slabs from the saw mill as well for kindling but our slabs range in thickness from 5 in to 1/4 in thick . Kindling once proceeded is worth 4 times as much as camp wood bundles and can be made inside when the weather is crappy . Thanks Brian
50 bundles. Hope this works out like you want. Please be careful, especially after a long day of cutting and splitting out with Buster. Don't lose your focus.
For now the table saw should do the trick . The woman is usually the one buying the camp wood bundles a the kindling an over the yrs I’ve learned they like a nice package.
Be careful Phil, you don't want to lose an index finger too. Have you tried doing 2 or 3 boards at the same time? How about doing 6-10 boards at a time on the splitter. If you keep using the axe, you should hold the wood with sone channel locks or a clamp. It is great that you are taking a waste product from your pallets and turning it into a salable product.. That saw is faster than I thought it would be and it is really uniform.
We tryed doing that on the splitter a few months back but just like splitting by hand we got a lot of scrap and inconsistent pieces an couldn’t use any of the pieces that had really twisty grain or had knots . The table saw lets us use all the scrap now to make kindling . I haven’t tryed stacking the boards up on the table saw yet mostly because of kick back an with twice as thick it will probably take twice as long to cut but I might try it anyway to see . Thanks James
Also, I'm wondering if you even need to stack the kindlin? I feel like it's small enough that you can just keep piles of them in plastic IBC tote containers (with holes poked throughout for airflow). As long as they stay dry I can't imagine they'd mold up or develop fungus? Might be worth a test!
I kinda like having it stacked mostly because then I know how much we have on hand and it will be easier to just grab a big handful and drop it into the tube when we make bundles . But ya I think ya right it would be fine in just a big pile .
The table saw is a great idea just don’t get fatigued can’t afford no more accidents with thumbs ! table saws make me nervous 😂. I honestly have no idea how many bundles would be in that pile I say 70.
Yup having ya finger within an inch of that blade ya wanna be on ya game no room for mistakes this yr . can’t afford to be at half speed another summer .
If ya near by stop in an we can load ya truck I always have plenty of them kicking around , so many we just started burning them to heat the shop but now at least we can make kindling out of a bunch of them
Hey guys I'm going to guess 83 bundles but I also want to say to you Phil as a woodworker all my life as you're using that table saw repetitively you need to keep your concentration cuz you can get hurt very quickly so be safe and be happy
Thanks Dale! we had a winner, the comment is posted at the top. It was 80 bundles. Oh trust me, I'm being very careful with that saw! Want to keep my appendages! Thanks as always for watching!
Thinner blade or a band saw or take a blade and slick off them notches. But yeah a saw blade set up on a planer. For now a stack as high as the blade with a simple jig. Plus side with the saw you can take the saw dust and make fire starters.
We have a woodmizer saw mill so we have an abundance of sawdust . We might try making firestarters to put in each kindling bag if the kindling really takes off like we hope
Make long strips on the saw mill and then cut them to 12 inches using a jig on the saw. I see someone else already guessed my guess, so I will put another guess here. 57 bundles is my guess.
I did try that on the saw mill but when I hit a knot it broke the strips apart an we had a mess to pick up out side . I was sawing the strips 3/4 by 3/4 . I need to find a way to use all the slabs we get off the mill instead of using them for camp wood bundles but a lot of the slabs are 4 in thick . Kindling is worth 4 times as much as camp wood so that’s my next project to figure out .
I tryed that we did 3/4 boards an then flipped up 10 of them an sawed again at 3/4 but when it hit knots they all broke apart an made a mess then after we had to set up a chop saw to cut to length . We just started saving all the shorts an odd pieces and chopped em up to 12 in a feed em threw the table saw . Baisicaly the same thing . Thanks Howard
We did try that a few months back but got the same results as hand splitting A lot of scrap and you can only use strait grained boards . On the saw table we can use twisted grain or even the boards with knots so we get to use more of our scrap lumber an get a better return on it .
Keep the saw blade clean. Use oven cleaner and a old paint brush. Keep it clean. Seeing how you used the table saw worried me. Use a feather board and clamp it to the guide. The way you ran it. You are asking for a pice to kick back otherwise. Be safe. We love youns.
Thanks that’s a good tip on keeping the blade clean . I’m not sure what a feather board is but I will look into it cause ya the strips are always kicking back I just don’t stand behind it so I don’t get hit . Thanks Michael
That should be a good selling point Ken . Did you ever get through that huge order you had for them a while back . We might look into making firestarters to add to each kindling bundle any suggestions on the best way to make them I figure your the guy to ask about that . Tell Danny Karen an I say hello.
@@AllenFamilyFirewood we slowed down on that order since the guy wants the delivery in the spring. That just means we have 1,000's tied up in that order. It's just money in the bank, though.
@@AllenFamilyFirewood weld 4 plates onto one plate Top plate then weld 4 peace straight down from the top plate or peace then you hook it to splitter. That way you’re slicing each board four or five times at once. It’s like splitting wood. But it’s straight up and straight down. I have
I say about 200or 300 bundles in Australia we do it for money in Australia we make at least about $50every hour with fire wood all year round from spring summer (autumn winter) the 6 months of the year we ma the most money every month every $50001weem$250-300so yes I'm like others make my living livelihood on kindling I process about 2-5 tonne a day and make about on a good 1 tonne a day we can process 2 tonne a day and we don't stop from 7 in the morning till 6 in evening and I have 2000 customers a week so 5 yrs of making summer spring make $2500 winter autumn $5000maths $7000im two months x all year well bags are better
That’s a lot of kindling and we would like to expand into that as we have lots of slabs that come from our saw mill that would work great for kindling . No one around here like making kindling so I think it’s a great opportunity to expand for us .
Bandsaw is safer than a tablesaw - no kickback - AND blade is much thinner so kerf is thinner and less sawdust ='s less waste. But that's another investment
i saw you making kindling on the spliter you were just cutting i bit at a time and there was not much waste get about 6 in your hand it will be much quicker than messing about with the rip saw production is profit
That would probably work if they were all clear boards, but when they have knots they splinter and make a mess. Still open to all ideas for a better way!
We might try our hand at making fire starters to add to the kindling bundles . No shortage of sawdust around here especially after a day of sawing on the sawmill . Thanks Leonard
80 bundles
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@@AllenFamilyFirewood Hi, it's Steve I don't think I have ever won anything before. Address is 36 Heath Street Sherman Maine, zip code 04776. Shirt size extra large please. Keep up the great videos. Wish I lived closer I would stop by and help split kindling
Thanks Steven!! We'll get the shirt and sticker right out to you! We pass by Sherman when we go to our camp in Portage! It is a haul, but you're always welcome to come visit if you're in the area! And if you want to help split kindling, all the better! lol
Oh man...I lost again🤣.I put in 63,cause I was born in 63.monday was my birf day🍻
Well happy birthday Brent
Awesome video. Keep up the great work. You two put great videos out there with abundance of entertainment. Take care
Thanks! Appreciate that!
🤘Hope it works out great for you. I live that you keep trying new stuff!
Thanks Jeff!
I think I’m going to have to adopt your table saw idea for my short board ends instead of splitting them! Thanks for sharing!
It works good for us Adam I like it because I can be working inside on crappy days or after dark . I just started using our pine slabs today an they work great just as long as the slabs are 1 in so going forward I will be sawing on the mill a lil different an keep the slabs no thicker than 1 inch .
Phil & Karen! I absolutely love that you all don’t give up on anything. Failure always creates opportunities. I think I have an idea to maybe increase kindling production with what you have and be saver on the thumbs 😂 I just need to put a little more thought into it and I’ll pass it along if I think it will pan out.
Take care guys and keep smiling
Thanks Brandon! We’re open to all suggestions!!
Wow almost 90,000 subs in only a year! Congrats guys!
Thanks we got really lucky an had a short that got over 50 million views an that drove the subscribers number threw the roof
Hi Phil and Karen!!😀😀
The table saw looks like it will work well. Just be careful not to cut your thumb off.
I'm guessing that there might be 70 bundles in the stack.
Take care my friends!!😀😀💚💚
Logger Al
Thanks Logger Al! Believe me, I'm super careful lol
Good job my friends You're doing a good job So we'll see you again Stay safe stay healthy stay happy And we'll see you again my friends
Thanks Frank we’re always staying busy catch ya on the next one .
Great idea! Sure works good👍👍
It sure does Jeremiah!
I’m going say 2 bundles😁 I was thinking table saw after the last video! Guess you read my mind. I do like making bundles for that reason. It makes us different! ADDED VALUE to our firewood stand. Nice looking bundles Phil and Karen👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Todd we get a lot of good ideas from the comments an also from watching other channels like yours . The table saw speed up production a lot an now I just need to figure out a good way to turn all the slabs that come off the mill into kindling .
I love the looks of those pallets when they're full of kindling
So do we! lol
Thanks for the shout-out. I'm about ready to come over and get a load of cutoffs and saw them for you. Sliding arm saw would do the same if you have one of those.
The table saw seems to work perdy good so far plus I need something to do at the end of the day an on crappy days .
Congrats to Steve for the bundle challenge! Looks like table saw is going be work fine, just be careful! That could also be useful for the mini pieces of wood for the mini solo and warm bond table top stoves.
Thanks Bill. I'm being very careful, trust me! lol That would work great for those little stoves good idea!
32 bundles. These bundles look great. I think you found the answer. Great job.
Thanks Jerry! like to have them all uniform and a nice looking package
That’s awesome.
Thanks Victor!
Great idea guys, presentation and quality product is absolutely key. Cheers 80 bundles just seen the pinned comment a little late on comment lol
Thanks presentation an packaging sells . We appreciate ya watching an leaving a comment
You have a nice pile ! Should make 85 bundles :) I was selling bundles for campfires not really kindling just split small with axe & some with splitter & no one complained it wasn't all straight, It doesn't make it burn any better, they were just happy they didn't have to split it :)
Thanks! There were 80 bundles…you were close!
Hello Phil and Karen. Phil you came up with an idea that would make more money faster than selling kindling. That idea of making a multiple blade table saw is the answer. You can design that, patent it and sell them and let every one else make the kindling. Think of all the time you would have not cutting and bundling that wood. You put that saw in a box, get paid and send it on its way!!! Remember the old saying “Work smarter not harder” This could be the start of something big. I’m sure you would have bought one if it was available. Thanks for another good video.
Well it’s not a table saw with multiple blades but woodmizer makes a resaw machine or some call it a edger that ya just feed lumber into an it has multiple blades that you can move so you can trim the barkie edges off . My brain is always turning trying to find a better or faster way to
Nice work with the table saw.i use fat pine stumps to make my kindling bundles.i split them on my county line splitter.stack it in boxes as I split,then bundle them.1 customer so far that gets 20-25 at a time.also give 1 with each trunk load sold
Nice it’s all extra $. Last yr we gave 2 bundles of kindling with each bulk load of hardwood we delivered a this yr we want to add it to all of our road side stands .
Nice job with the table saw. Looks like about 71 bundles there👍
Thanks! We’ve had a winner, the comment is pinned at the top!
Do the opposite!!! Words to live by guys! Thanks for the mention and I hope you both have been well. I haven't heard anything about Northern Loggers this spring... Prob pretty far away from Bangor like last year. I hope you both have a warm winter! Joe
It’s in Vermont this yr I believe it’s either the first or 2 nd weekend of May . Hope ya see ya there Joe
47 1/2 bundles! Great video y’all!
Thanks we had a winner it was 80 bundles we pinned the winner at the top of the comments .
Have a 5 ton electric Yardmax. I split several full cords of red Oak and maple with it. Really surprising it's power. Only draw back you use both hands. Can adjust the stroke so you can split faster
Surprising they do as well as they do . Just wasn’t going to work for us even after we modified it to only need one hand .
Phil and Karen another great 👍 video,Phil maybe 🤔 raise the table saw blade up so that you could cut two or three blocks at a time also if you have two wheel barrels one for the saw and one at the pallet for stacking 😮😊❤
I did experiment with trying to cut 2 pieces at once but it made the saw cut twice as slow it’s just a small home owner table saw . We did end up putting a piece of plywood down about 2 ft off the ground to catch the pieces and the pallet was moved so it would be right next to the saw .
Love that you just keep swimming🥰. Where there’s a will, there’s a way! I’m guessing 57 bundles😜
Thanks Kim! We've had a winner, the comment is pinned at the top. Thanks for always watching!
Good afternoon! I'm guessing 93 bundles of kindling in the pile. Keep up good work!!
Thanks Randall!
I do good separating the species of wood in smaller quantities. Like cherry , white oak , hickory for cooking wood . And I have learned that some will just pay more that way for larger quantities. But I still always have mixed hard wood .
Really the only hard wood we separate is the oak because it takes so long to dry . But we do separate all the splits into bundle grade , ugly or just regular firewood .
Im going with 47 bundles glad you found a way to do this
Thanks Richard!
Nice looking kindling. You best get ya one them table saws that’s finger safe lol. I just put my splitter scraps in half ibc tank use that for my personal use. Hope that it takes off for you both. Keep up the good work.
Firewood on the hill did a nice comparison you should check out.
Thanks Dan! lol, I’m being really careful with that saw, trust me!
I saw that, I’m gonna check it out!
I take the sawdust from my woodmizer and put it on sheet pans and then in the oven to dry. I then melt some parafin in a crockpot and mix in the dried sawdust. Scoop into mini muffin paper cups and insert a small piece of wick. Bag these firestarters up, 12 to a bag and sell for $ 5.
Just another profit center to go along with kindling and camp wood bundles.
We have never made fire starters but have Ben thinking about trying some just to add to the kindling bundles . If the kindling sales take off like I’m thinking than we might just give it a try . Thanks
My wife doesn't like running the gas splitter. I bought her a 5-ton electric log splitter and she loves it. She's split several full cords of black walnut, oak, ash, and locust.
Good for her! That works!
Hey Phil and Karen. Love your channel. Be careful, you’re going to have a kickback event at some point leaving wood pinched between the fence and blade of your table saw. Also, for as many ripping cuts you have to make for each piece, your odds of getting a finger or hand in the saw are pretty high. For the sake of efficient use of your time, have you considered just milling your poor grade logs lengthwise into kindling sized wood, then you’d just be left with cross cutting them to length, which would be a lot quicker with a lot less cuts. Maybe you could sell your scrap cutoffs or just continuing to burn them yourself? Just an idea but may not be right for your business. Thanks for the great content! 35 bundles. Nate
I think if the kindling business grows we could use the low grade logs on the mill an saw ito strips . I agree it would be a lot safer cutting them to length on a chop saw a making the strips on the saw mill .
Hey Phil, I believe Milwaukee and others make a thin curf blade for ripping. It wouldn't be a whole lot thinner but it would possibly create a little less sawdust but it would definitely be easier on your saw motor. Would probably be able to push it through faster also. Just a thought buddy, take care.
Watch those fingers on that table saw!!!!
I will look into that maybe they have that down at the hardware store if so I will get one . Ya definitely wanna be paying attention to ware ya fingers are on a table saw kinda like running our splitter ya wanna be focused on what ya doing .
75 bundles
Awesome to watch 😊
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Hey Phil nice uniform stuff. Watch your fingers, don’t need another surgery. My guess is 37 bundles.
Cheers Woody !!!
Ya I’m really focused when using the table saw I can’t afford another summer with 1 hand again .
Hi guys. 67 is my guess. Thanks for the mention 👍🏻
One thing that bothers me about the saw is. The blade. If you tripped or fell and put your hand out to stop your self, well you know what’s going to happen. I knew a fella that it happen to. Not good.
So, always be alert, and have the floor clean around the saw so you don’t trip.
Looks like it’s going to work for sure. Will you always have a steady supply of wood to use.
The next venture is.
Toothpicks. 🤭🤭🤭🤭
Have a great day. Time flys when you’re having fun. 👋👋👋👋🪵🪓🔥
Toothpicks ya say hmmmmm…. Have ta think on that one lol . Ya my shop is always a mess a stuff everyware so ya right I should clean up around the table saw at least I don’t need another summer with only one hand to use . Thanks Noel
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52 bundles, keep up the good work!
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I have been doing the opposite since i started as I didn't see bundles as useful. Slowly, that is turning, but we shall see how things go over the next few years as competition is fierce.
There’s so many different parts to a wood business and different ways to go about it. We’re all to late to reinvent the wheel but there’s still ways to focus on the smaller parts an really try to expand on the stuff that pays the best . Being different is a lot more fun than just doing what everyone else does . Thanks Danial
Ow ya we know ya different cause ya like ya log lift on the other side lol .
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Great looking kindling!! Very time consuming for sure using a hatchet. I think it’s 47 bundles in that pile of kindling.
It sure is time consuming! Thanks!
Hi Guys. I knew before the video started, it would be either a sliding compound miter saw or a table saw. I’ve used a table saw and other electric power tools almost all of my adult life, small construction projects, house building projects, decks and making wooden toys when my boys were young etc. The only thing that make me cringe is ripping pieces that wide on a table saw. Please be careful and always keep your eyes on the task at hand!👍
Well to be honest if I had had more time we was going to build a box wedge that could go on an electric splitter an try that an we might still try that but I really like the uniform pieces that come off the table saw . Packaging sells
love a contest!!!!! 84 bundles is my guess!🎉oh, I’m late for dinner! lol 😅
lol, better late than never! Thanks Sue! ❤️
I'd love to sell your kindlin bundles down here in OOB. I sell thousands of bags per year here and your kindlin would be a MASSIVE hit!!
I think we can make that happen Nick . It’s our first yr really making kindling and I want to make sure we can keep our stands full as well . I will give ya a call this weekend or some evening this week . Be fun to do a video playing with your Easton made ultra as well .
64 bundles, nice job!!
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I'm guessing 35 bundles. Great video y'all.
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Careful with the table saw Phil. Repetition leads to carelessness which leads to accidents. I know. Years ago l lost the tip of my thumb do something similar. 84 bundles. Mike
Thanks Mike! Trust me, i'm being very cautious. And Karen has reminded me over and over! lol
Holding with vice grip works too.
It sure would that’s a great idea
hi there well i dont sell firewood but make tons of kindling , all the trims off the sawmill , not as pretty or clean but alot good show best to all , john
Thanks John that’s our next step to find a way to use the slabs from our mill to make make nice consistent sized kindling instead of using it as camp wood in our bundles . I think if I can keep the slabs all 1 in thick it should work with the way we are doing it now .
Maybe firestarters in the future with all that sawdust? 🤔 might not be worth your time, but never know. That looks like a good idea for cutting the kindling. The multi blade thing would be the ticket if you can get one made. I think there will be around 197 bundles of kindling, hopefully more. Life is too short to not smile or laugh! 🙂🙃🙂
We have no shortage of sawdust especially when we are sawing on the sawmill but we was thinking about trying our hand at making fire starters to add to each bundle of kindling . I think a resaw machine or board edger for lumber is perdy close to what I was thinking for a multi blade set up . If the kindling business takes off I will have to look into one of them and modify it . Everyone likes to laugh an have fun it just so much better than being mad an ticked off at the world . Thanks Robert
The table saw will work and be relatively quick. Just be cautious of kickback on a piece or two when it's left between the blade and fence. Another way would be with a 14" or preferably bigger bandsaw with a resaw blade on it. It would saw it pretty fast also and be safer so Karen could saw if she wanted to. I have a 20" delta that we used last year for that same purpose. I had bought it off marketplace or Craigslist. Keep up the good work
We have a woodmizer saw mill an I have played with that as well for making kindling . We sawed the boards at 3/4 an then flipped em on there side an resawed at 3/4 again but the pieces broke apart anyplace there was a bad knot an made a heck of a mess and it’s outside . Being able to do this inside on crappy days was what we were shooting for an I think ya right a big bandsaw would work very good a with a thinner kerf we would get lest waste in sawdust . Thanks
@@AllenFamilyFirewood ya I agree a bandsaw sawmill would make a mess. What I was using was a 20" delta vertical woodworking bandsaw with a fence. If I can I'll try to put a link to a picture of it
You guys did a good job of making kindling! I'm saying 58! Lol
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The market is there for it if you want to do it. I do +5k bags per yr. I run a posch autosplit 350. It'll do that 80 bags worth in 22mins. For the time being I'd sort the clears out as you cut cause you can split it by hand faster then ripping!
Wow we just looked up a video of that machine your using that’s a neat machine an it’s fast . How much do they charge for a machine like that . That would really make a lot of kindling fast for us
@@AllenFamilyFirewood I'm not sure where they are now. They've gone up a fair bit in the last few yrs. Low thirties in Canada. The speed adjusted for firewood size will run a cord of rounds in about 9 mins!
Wow, that’s fast!
I had a friend that made strip boats, He modded his table saw by adding extra blades with spacer, if you only added 1 extra saw blade it would double your production. 3 blades even better.
Well now I’m gona have to take my table saw apart to see if I can do that . Thanks back to the drawing board I go again
I'm going to say 42 bundles. Do you think if you stacked several together and hit them with buster would be just as fast without the waste? Just a thought. Saw doesn't seem to work to bad though
We did that a while back in a video but got the same result as hand splitting actually with multiple blocks on the splitter we got even more scrap than using just a hatchet . By using the table saw instead of splitting we can saw threw knots a twisted grain an we get more pieces pr board to use as kindling . We want to rig up something so we can also start using all of our slabs from the saw mill as well for kindling but our slabs range in thickness from 5 in to 1/4 in thick . Kindling once proceeded is worth 4 times as much as camp wood bundles and can be made inside when the weather is crappy . Thanks Brian
50 bundles. Hope this works out like you want. Please be careful, especially after a long day of cutting and splitting out with Buster. Don't lose your focus.
Thanks guys! being VERY careful, trust me!
The table saw is the answer.
I must say, Phil has a clean tidy package, of wood, kindling.
50 bundles 😊
Lol, I agree Kenny! 😂🤣😂
For now the table saw should do the trick . The woman is usually the one buying the camp wood bundles a the kindling an over the yrs I’ve learned they like a nice package.
What about making a jig for the sawmill? Could cut 16’ worth of length with 12 or more wide. Make a huge pile in a single pass.
i've thought of doing something like that too on the the mill. Still a work in progress to find the fastest way thanks!
I think the saw is your best bet too with least amount of waste. Just be safe. My guess is 64.5 bags.
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Be careful Phil, you don't want to lose an index finger too. Have you tried doing 2 or 3 boards at the same time? How about doing 6-10 boards at a time on the splitter. If you keep using the axe, you should hold the wood with sone channel locks or a clamp. It is great that you are taking a waste product from your pallets and turning it into a salable product.. That saw is faster than I thought it would be and it is really uniform.
We tryed doing that on the splitter a few months back but just like splitting by hand we got a lot of scrap and inconsistent pieces an couldn’t use any of the pieces that had really twisty grain or had knots . The table saw lets us use all the scrap now to make kindling . I haven’t tryed stacking the boards up on the table saw yet mostly because of kick back an with twice as thick it will probably take twice as long to cut but I might try it anyway to see . Thanks James
Also, I'm wondering if you even need to stack the kindlin? I feel like it's small enough that you can just keep piles of them in plastic IBC tote containers (with holes poked throughout for airflow). As long as they stay dry I can't imagine they'd mold up or develop fungus? Might be worth a test!
I kinda like having it stacked mostly because then I know how much we have on hand and it will be easier to just grab a big handful and drop it into the tube when we make bundles . But ya I think ya right it would be fine in just a big pile .
The table saw is a great idea just don’t get fatigued can’t afford no more accidents with thumbs ! table saws make me nervous 😂. I honestly have no idea how many bundles would be in that pile I say 70.
Yup having ya finger within an inch of that blade ya wanna be on ya game no room for mistakes this yr . can’t afford to be at half speed another summer .
63 bundles,good job.
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I sure like to have them boards for wood working mainly bird houses and bird feeders.
If ya near by stop in an we can load ya truck I always have plenty of them kicking around , so many we just started burning them to heat the shop but now at least we can make kindling out of a bunch of them
Nice kindling 37 bundles
Thanks Scott!
70 bundles I do like the new table saw idea
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How much y’all get per bundle of kindlin
At our stands we’re selling for $4 or 3 for $10
Hey guys I'm going to guess 83 bundles but I also want to say to you Phil as a woodworker all my life as you're using that table saw repetitively you need to keep your concentration cuz you can get hurt very quickly so be safe and be happy
Thanks Dale! we had a winner, the comment is posted at the top. It was 80 bundles. Oh trust me, I'm being very careful with that saw! Want to keep my appendages! Thanks as always for watching!
25. Be Careful with using the table saw. But it is a lot faster and easier. Can always sell the saw dust to some places.
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We give a lot of it to the farm next door but most people want it all nice an dry . We produce a lot of sawdust when we are running the saw mill
Thinner blade or a band saw or take a blade and slick off them notches. But yeah a saw blade set up on a planer. For now a stack as high as the blade with a simple jig. Plus side with the saw you can take the saw dust and make fire starters.
We have a woodmizer saw mill so we have an abundance of sawdust . We might try making firestarters to put in each kindling bag if the kindling really takes off like we hope
Nice looking kindling bundles. Guys. My guess is 23
Thanks Bob!
Phil don’t use the conveyor, just use old Buster . 😊
Trying not to have as much scrap pieces
Try table saw do the same thing phil . 😮
We used a table saw in the video! Thanks Leonard!
Make long strips on the saw mill and then cut them to 12 inches using a jig on the saw. I see someone else already guessed my guess, so I will put another guess here. 57 bundles is my guess.
I did try that on the saw mill but when I hit a knot it broke the strips apart an we had a mess to pick up out side . I was sawing the strips 3/4 by 3/4 . I need to find a way to use all the slabs we get off the mill instead of using them for camp wood bundles but a lot of the slabs are 4 in thick . Kindling is worth 4 times as much as camp wood so that’s my next project to figure out .
We use the mill to make 8 ft long 3/4 x 3/4 strips
I tryed that we did 3/4 boards an then flipped up 10 of them an sawed again at 3/4 but when it hit knots they all broke apart an made a mess then after we had to set up a chop saw to cut to length . We just started saving all the shorts an odd pieces and chopped em up to 12 in a feed em threw the table saw . Baisicaly the same thing . Thanks Howard
Remember 50% for you Phil and 50% for Karen. Phil you keep talking can I change my bundles # buddy . 😊
Of course Leonard!
Why dont you slow down buster and use it and split 5 or 6 plank at the time
We did try that a few months back but got the same results as hand splitting A lot of scrap and you can only use strait grained boards . On the saw table we can use twisted grain or even the boards with knots so we get to use more of our scrap lumber an get a better return on it .
84 bundles.and maybe you could market the sawdust for pet bedding and or firestarters
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I guess 36 good work
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Keep the saw blade clean. Use oven cleaner and a old paint brush. Keep it clean. Seeing how you used the table saw worried me. Use a feather board and clamp it to the guide. The way you ran it. You are asking for a pice to kick back otherwise. Be safe. We love youns.
Thanks that’s a good tip on keeping the blade clean . I’m not sure what a feather board is but I will look into it cause ya the strips are always kicking back I just don’t stand behind it so I don’t get hit . Thanks Michael
51 bundles!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
Thanks David!
What about making fire starters with the sawdust and some paragon wax?
We've been thinking of doing that Karen! It's on the list lol
Wealth isn't always measured in dollars. We certainly can't take any physical things with us. I have never seen a hearse pulling a U-haul trailer. 😊
So very true Joe! Thanks!
my guess is 57 bundles😃 thanks for the shirt 😇size XXL bill
Lol, thanks!
Who's the table saw blades at a time
Not sure what you mean but I’m going to see if there’s a way to add another blade an have 2 blades cutting at once
27 bundles. Watch out for that thumb!
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75 bundles in pile .
Thought that w as ur new way to get neat pieces..
Thanks James! It really does a great job making the pieces we want
Saw dust can be used as oil dry.
Thanks Jerry. We’re trying to figure out the best use for it!
127 bundles in that pile would hownd bug in North Carolina.
Thanks Woodhound Bug!
56 bundles.
I'm renaming our Firestarter to "no more kindling ". That tells you all you need to know.
That should be a good selling point Ken . Did you ever get through that huge order you had for them a while back . We might look into making firestarters to add to each kindling bundle any suggestions on the best way to make them I figure your the guy to ask about that . Tell Danny Karen an I say hello.
@@AllenFamilyFirewood we slowed down on that order since the guy wants the delivery in the spring. That just means we have 1,000's tied up in that order. It's just money in the bank, though.
Get your self's a bandsaw you can do that much half hr. Depending on saw you can stack the boards. And rip😊
I will try a find someone that has a big bandsaw a try it before we go a buy one but for now the table saw is getting us buy . Thanks William
Fix a five finger flare plate to put on splitter to split kindlin with
I don’t know what a 5 finger flare plate is but it sounds interesting an I’m always willing to try something new
@@AllenFamilyFirewood weld 4 plates onto one plate Top plate then weld 4 peace straight down from the top plate or peace then you hook it to splitter. That way you’re slicing each board four or five times at once. It’s like splitting wood. But it’s straight up and straight down. I have
I say about 200or 300 bundles in Australia we do it for money in Australia we make at least about $50every hour with fire wood all year round from spring summer (autumn winter) the 6 months of the year we ma the most money every month every $50001weem$250-300so yes I'm like others make my living livelihood on kindling I process about 2-5 tonne a day and make about on a good 1 tonne a day we can process 2 tonne a day and we don't stop from 7 in the morning till 6 in evening and I have 2000 customers a week so 5 yrs of making summer spring make $2500 winter autumn $5000maths $7000im two months x all year well bags are better
That’s a lot of kindling and we would like to expand into that as we have lots of slabs that come from our saw mill that would work great for kindling . No one around here like making kindling so I think it’s a great opportunity to expand for us .
Bandsaw is safer than a tablesaw - no kickback - AND blade is much thinner so kerf is thinner and less sawdust ='s less waste. But that's another investment
I agree if I had one I’d give it a try
64 bundles 😊
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you need what Ohio Woodburner has superspiter ...
That would be awesome!
Why don’t you use Buster 2.0 to split 8 pieces in a handful. I stack 6-10 pieces on my Ramsplitter and it chops each almost the same size
We did try that, but it made a lot of waste and the pieces weren’t consistent in size, which is what we want.
i saw you making kindling on the spliter you were just cutting i bit at a time and there was not much waste get about 6 in your hand it will be much quicker than messing about with the rip saw production is profit
That would probably work if they were all clear boards, but when they have knots they splinter and make a mess. Still open to all ideas for a better way!
132 bundles plus can off mtns dew to Phil . 😊
LOL, thanks Leonard!
Maybe sell some Boy Scout juice. A squirt bottle filled with off road diesel.
Lol, that would work too!
Phil Use the saw dust from the tablesaw to make firestarters . Thanks Leonard
We might try our hand at making fire starters to add to the kindling bundles . No shortage of sawdust around here especially after a day of sawing on the sawmill . Thanks Leonard
Maybe you should have a manic splinter for the speed you want
I think a kinetic splitter would be scetchy having my fingers that close and I would still have a lot of scrap