Really, there is nothing special about the real FI 50. It is just a design that's all. Anyone can copy it. To me its all about the sound, why pay expensive name brand snake oil cables. Even though real Furutech use with shitty cable, people will still say its top notch LOL cause they look at the name period. Few years ago I invited a few audiophiles over and we did a blind test, put in cheap speaker cables and $5000 cables. No one can guess it right, all failed LOL. That means they can't tell the different.
@@ceddy1031 Blind tests say nothing. If you give women a champagne and a prosecco, they will say prosecco is better. If you don't understand the sound of quality, tests are useless!
@@ceddy1031 This means that you and your friends are deaf and don't need high-end hi-fi systems because you would listen to the same music with a Sony Walkman🤣
You can see it from the thin screws. The real Furutech has phillips screws (standard +), the fake one has hexagon screws. But this might vary depending on which fake version you buy.
I bought the china version to compare with real ncf They are the most unlistenable I've ever felt. They manage to ruin a very high quality cable with extreme listening effort. A pair of simple Viborg V501 R are much superior. The sensation of transparency is initially pleasant then becomes annoying. It is clear that something is not working, introducing various disorders. They only have aesthetic beauty and nothing else.
The extra transparency is a good thing, because too bright sound is easy to tame in various ways. But you can't do the opposite if something sounds too dark and blurry, you can't bring out the missing details that are lost. With my air dielectric solid core cables the fake Furutech is much better than the real one, there's a lot more detail everywhere, while sounding silky smooth. I think you paired the fake Furutech plug with harsh multi-strand wiring, this will have the effect you mentioned.
@@AudiophileDog Doesn't it make sense to tame the extra transparency, with a small section solid core cable, like the one you use, if this is caused by a bad connector that brings imbalance to the sound. I can save my money by avoiding all this and getting a better complete balanced sound. There is no point in correcting the extreme transparency of a connector with a cable I would like to use both to improve the system and not to correct the connector which is obviously of low quality. Original NCF Furutech connectors this does not happen. I could never use your dielectric on my system it would melt because it has too small a section. I could have saved my money by not buying the fake furutech A few posts above you said to accept other people's opinions. This is mine.
@@Luca-xh5jo In Sweden the price for the original NCF Furutech is $1050, so I can't see how you can save money. When using the same cable construction and Crystal Formula, I get better sound from the fake plug. It's important to burn in the fake plug, because the first few hours are extra bright. Grounding the female end gives a big improvement in smoothness also. The real NCF has the outer barrel grounded, the fake one doesn't. This is easy to fix.
@@AudiophileDog Even if the original is expensive it doesn't justify the fake furutech. Get better sound? probably different? better for you with just that cable in your hifi system
More expensive electronics will not sound better, they will only sound different. I used to have a dCS stack worth tens of thousands of dollars. I get better sound from cheap equipment if they have a good power cable. The biggest improvement to your system comes from a vibration controlled power cable. After the power cable you want to spend your money on rocks you place on top of the equipment. After decades of research I discovered that true improvements in the audio system can only come from vibration control. This knowledge will save you a lot of money.
@@AudiophileDog ,Biggest difference a vibration controlled power cable. Man what you been smokin? Shaking those electrons around really disrupts their flow. I know I don't sound good when I'm vibrating. Geez I can't take any more! So much stupid info on the internet. Sometimes more expensive sounds better sometimes not. I've come to the conclusion that audiophiles are just plain idiots, sorry but they believe some of the most nonsensical shit I've ever heard. Sorry to be so blunt. They seem to understand nothing about how electricity works. Period!
It's not logical to come to a conclusion without being on both sides of the fence. All audiophiles have been skeptics in the past, so they have more knowledge and experience. Therefore audiophiles are able to make a more accurate conclusion than skeptics ever can.
@@AudiophileDog All audiophiles were skeptics? that's a conclusion I'd like to see some stats on. I look at all of it from both sides. I won't call myself an audiophile but I appreciate good sound. Tho my judgements are tempered with reality. Most "audiophiles" seem to completely discount the placebo effect, which is quite real. As is some proven science. All of which says a power cord can't change the sound. I do agree with damping vibration, but more from a mechanical point rather than electrical. The effect on the flow of electrons? From the standpoint of mechanical vibrations, yes. Turntables, speakers and such. And I get tired of "I hear the difference when I put sandbags on my amp". A blind test has to be done but audiophiles hate blind tests as it reveals the placebo effect.
The main reason why blind tests don't work is because of listening fatigue after a few trials when switching back and forth between two cables. Many audiophiles answer correctly the first few times, but skeptics say it's not statistically significant enough. So when the audiophile is forced to continue for many hours, he's going to get more and more incorrect because of fatigue. If you listen to music when tired, you will hear smaller differences. Listening to music in a blind test is not the same as long-term listening to enjoy the music. You can't switch back and forth quick to listen to the differences, it doesn't work that way. It's partly because the connection needs to burn-in again after unplugging the cable. Many things in audio need a few minutes to settle. For example my Termino tweak takes a minute until it starts showing differences, because it's cleaning the noise in the audio system. When the Termino is unplugged, it will take a few minutes for the noise in the system to build up again. It's similar to an air purifier. So the standard A/B-test is flawed in many ways. A better way is to have a multiple choice blind test where you can choose between many cables (which you are familiar with). I have done double blind tests like this with cables and tweaks, and I passed every one of them. Many years ago I sent tweaks and cables to people, without them knowing anything about them. The sound flavor they described was exactly how it sounded like.
The fake Furutech FI-50 NCF is the best connector when combining it with the Supernova Crystal Formula and air dielectric silver plated copper wiring. It's a match made in heaven. I recommend you go to Audiogon and get the last cable I have left before you regret it in the future: www.audiogon.com/listings/lisa834f-audiophile-rocks-hyperspace-supernova-white-2m-power-cable-b-stock-ac-cables
@@AudiophileDog Use a silver cable because it is a material that recedes and makes the sound stage small, otherwise the fake NCF connectors would play music so strident that it would scratch your ears.
@@Luca-xh5jo I used 4awg thick 99.999% silver wiring with the real Furutech, it was overall as good as silver plated copper with the fake Furutech. The difference in price for the materials was about 100x.
... because it is well known that the weight of the connector affects audio quality....😒😒
Audiophiles are a rare breed....
I do own both authentic Furutech FI 50 NCF and a fake one. It sounds the same LOL. I really don't see a reason why spend 10 times the money on it.
Really, there is nothing special about the real FI 50. It is just a design that's all. Anyone can copy it. To me its all about the sound, why pay expensive name brand snake oil cables.
Even though real Furutech use with shitty cable, people will still say its top notch LOL cause they look at the name period. Few years ago I invited a few audiophiles over and we did a blind test, put in cheap speaker cables and $5000 cables. No one can guess it right, all failed LOL. That means they can't tell the different.
@@ceddy1031 Blind tests say nothing. If you give women a champagne and a prosecco, they will say prosecco is better. If you don't understand the sound of quality, tests are useless!
@@ceddy1031 This means that you and your friends are deaf and don't need high-end hi-fi systems because you would listen to the same music with a Sony Walkman🤣
@@ceddy1031 Physical blind tests are flawed in many ways. It's better to make this online blind test: czcams.com/video/vUFtJzBVKhY/video.html
Just got mine I cost 46 Euros amazing result . Quality is fantastic
If it was weight that made the quality it would make everything heavier. Instead, the quality of the individual pieces is important, not the weight!
How can one distinguish fake from real without taking it all apart ? Thanks
You can see it from the thin screws. The real Furutech has phillips screws (standard +), the fake one has hexagon screws. But this might vary depending on which fake version you buy.
I bought the china version to compare with real ncf
They are the most unlistenable I've ever felt. They manage to ruin a very high quality cable with extreme listening effort. A pair of simple Viborg V501 R are much superior. The sensation of transparency is initially pleasant then becomes annoying. It is clear that something is not working, introducing various disorders.
They only have aesthetic beauty and nothing else.
The extra transparency is a good thing, because too bright sound is easy to tame in various ways. But you can't do the opposite if something sounds too dark and blurry, you can't bring out the missing details that are lost. With my air dielectric solid core cables the fake Furutech is much better than the real one, there's a lot more detail everywhere, while sounding silky smooth. I think you paired the fake Furutech plug with harsh multi-strand wiring, this will have the effect you mentioned.
@@AudiophileDog
Doesn't it make sense to tame the extra transparency, with a small section solid core cable, like the one you use, if this is caused by a bad connector that brings imbalance to the sound.
I can save my money by avoiding all this and getting a better complete balanced sound.
There is no point in correcting the extreme transparency of a connector with a cable
I would like to use both to improve the system and not to correct the connector which is obviously of low quality.
Original NCF Furutech connectors this does not happen.
I could never use your dielectric on my system it would melt because it has too small a section.
I could have saved my money by not buying the fake furutech
A few posts above you said to accept other people's opinions.
This is mine.
@@Luca-xh5jo In Sweden the price for the original NCF Furutech is $1050, so I can't see how you can save money. When using the same cable construction and Crystal Formula, I get better sound from the fake plug. It's important to burn in the fake plug, because the first few hours are extra bright. Grounding the female end gives a big improvement in smoothness also. The real NCF has the outer barrel grounded, the fake one doesn't. This is easy to fix.
@@AudiophileDog Even if the original is expensive it doesn't justify the fake furutech. Get better sound? probably different? better for you with just that cable in your hifi system
Are cable deniers ever satisfied with their systems?
Many skeptics don't have an audio system. They listen to music with the built in speakers of the computer display.
A 4 dollar Hubbel cap does EXACTLY the same thing. NO SOUND DIFFERENCE. Very stupid way to spend money. Buy better gear that will sound better.
More expensive electronics will not sound better, they will only sound different. I used to have a dCS stack worth tens of thousands of dollars. I get better sound from cheap equipment if they have a good power cable. The biggest improvement to your system comes from a vibration controlled power cable. After the power cable you want to spend your money on rocks you place on top of the equipment. After decades of research I discovered that true improvements in the audio system can only come from vibration control. This knowledge will save you a lot of money.
@@AudiophileDog ,Biggest difference a vibration controlled power cable. Man what you been smokin? Shaking those electrons around really disrupts their flow. I know I don't sound good when I'm vibrating. Geez I can't take any more! So much stupid info on the internet. Sometimes more expensive sounds better sometimes not. I've come to the conclusion that audiophiles are just plain idiots, sorry but they believe some of the most nonsensical shit I've ever heard. Sorry to be so blunt. They seem to understand nothing about how electricity works. Period!
It's not logical to come to a conclusion without being on both sides of the fence. All audiophiles have been skeptics in the past, so they have more knowledge and experience. Therefore audiophiles are able to make a more accurate conclusion than skeptics ever can.
@@AudiophileDog All audiophiles were skeptics? that's a conclusion I'd like to see some stats on. I look at all of it from both sides. I won't call myself an audiophile but I appreciate good sound. Tho my judgements are tempered with reality. Most "audiophiles" seem to completely discount the placebo effect, which is quite real. As is some proven science. All of which says a power cord can't change the sound. I do agree with damping vibration, but more from a mechanical point rather than electrical. The effect on the flow of electrons? From the standpoint of mechanical vibrations, yes. Turntables, speakers and such. And I get tired of "I hear the difference when I put sandbags on my amp". A blind test has to be done but audiophiles hate blind tests as it reveals the placebo effect.
The main reason why blind tests don't work is because of listening fatigue after a few trials when switching back and forth between two cables. Many audiophiles answer correctly the first few times, but skeptics say it's not statistically significant enough. So when the audiophile is forced to continue for many hours, he's going to get more and more incorrect because of fatigue. If you listen to music when tired, you will hear smaller differences.
Listening to music in a blind test is not the same as long-term listening to enjoy the music. You can't switch back and forth quick to listen to the differences, it doesn't work that way. It's partly because the connection needs to burn-in again after unplugging the cable. Many things in audio need a few minutes to settle. For example my Termino tweak takes a minute until it starts showing differences, because it's cleaning the noise in the audio system. When the Termino is unplugged, it will take a few minutes for the noise in the system to build up again. It's similar to an air purifier.
So the standard A/B-test is flawed in many ways.
A better way is to have a multiple choice blind test where you can choose between many cables (which you are familiar with). I have done double blind tests like this with cables and tweaks, and I passed every one of them.
Many years ago I sent tweaks and cables to people, without them knowing anything about them. The sound flavor they described was exactly how it sounded like.
they both not worth the money
The fake Furutech FI-50 NCF is the best connector when combining it with the Supernova Crystal Formula and air dielectric silver plated copper wiring. It's a match made in heaven. I recommend you go to Audiogon and get the last cable I have left before you regret it in the future: www.audiogon.com/listings/lisa834f-audiophile-rocks-hyperspace-supernova-white-2m-power-cable-b-stock-ac-cables
@@AudiophileDog
Use a silver cable because it is a material that recedes and makes the sound stage small, otherwise the fake NCF connectors would play music so strident that it would scratch your ears.
@@Luca-xh5jo I used 4awg thick 99.999% silver wiring with the real Furutech, it was overall as good as silver plated copper with the fake Furutech. The difference in price for the materials was about 100x.