A water level emergency for Museum Ships?
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- čas přidán 26. 11. 2022
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We take a look at the lowering water levels in the Buffalo River and what that means for our ships. It's something that we will be addressing as we survey our ships and try to address their situations for the next 10 or 20 years.
We also share what the USS Kidd is experiencing down in Baton Rouge. Here's a link to their video:
• USS KIDD DD-661 Missis...
For those of you who haven't seen the US Navy Ships vs. High Winds I did last December, here's a link to that video:
• US Navy Vessels v. Hig...
It literally never stops when dealing with floating craft. Always trying to find a way to the bottom.
Thanks Cory. We definitely have to monitor when the water level is high, and also when it's low. Different issues and problems to the ships, with very different solutions.
@@BuffaloNavalPark I've commented before, but I continue to be sympathetic to the challenge of museum ships everywhere. Not a lot of funding vs. the constant money suck that all vessels seem to have.
I loved your museum when I visiting many years ago. Hope to make it back in the near future.
@@corystansbury Thanks for your continued support, Cory. We'll be giving updates throughout the wintertime and going into next season. Hope that you can come back soon!
Hey Shane, I'm Bidco's CEOs son! I love visiting the park, but I worry for the ships sometimes. I do hope that more will be done to preserve these important ships!
Hello! And thanks for watching., levijudd3480. We mention your Dad's company quite a bit on this channel, and we talk about the work that has been happening with his help! Thanks for watching!
Can’t save them all,saved in memory is all you can hope for .
@@navydad8916pretty dumb way of thinking
@@hulkhoganstights6596 on who’s part ? Can’t ask the tax payers to pay for it.
@@hulkhoganstights6596 well?
Wow, that's quite a drop. I knew the Kidd was having some pretty serious problems with the river levels but Buffalo being virtually synonymous with lake effect snow I'd never have thought there were problems up there as well. That was such a slow steady drop that you don't really notice until the moment you kind of see "wow, did it really lower that far?"
I will be monitoring it here as the snow begins melting in earnest. Yes, it's a slow and steady drop for sure. I'd like to find some photographs from he past couple of years. I'm hopeful that the snow melt will bring the waters back up, but I believe this is the level that we're at for a while! Someone commented that we're in a mini-drought here in Western New York, and I agree...while we get a lot of snow, there's more large storms\mild temps-snow melt, as opposed to steady snowfall that stays on the ground over a few months like when I was a kid. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the update Shane, that's quite a difference in water level!
Yes, Jeff...it is...don't understand it either. We may have to bring in the Buffalo Riverkeepers to help us understand it. Thanks as all!
Thank you for the work you do!
Thanks Corey! It's become a passion of mine since I started working here in 2018! Appreciate your support!
Thank You For The Update!
Thank you, Steven! Appreciate the support, and you're welcome!
@@BuffaloNavalPark
YEEEEAAAHHH ME! :-)
Posted the video over at World Of Warships forum.
My dad took me to this park in the 80s, and I loved it. The Croker was not there when I went. Those ships were in tip-top condition back then. So sad to see this happening.
We're trying our best! There has been a ton of videos about the reasons why the ships are in the condition they're in, and hope you check them out if you haven't already! Thanks for visiting in the past, and hope that you can visit and support us again!
The scariest time is when a ship just begins to touch bottom but is still moving and scraping on things. I wonder if it would help to just add ballast and force it to bottom if it's getting too close. The ballast could be pumped out when the water rises again to help break the suction. I'm no expert though and I'm sure the Park and Bidco have a good plan. Hopefully there is a good snow melt this year!
Thanks haunter! That's what happened with a hole we developed in the Croaker in her 6A ballast tank. She rubbed and rubbed, and the hole was so near the keel we couldn't get a diver down there. That's why we filled that main ballast tank with foam for now. That's a good suggestion, and we still have water in the transom (I did a video about it a few months back - just search "transom" on our channel if you haven't watched either of those!) We're very interested in getting all of the water from the transom pumped out. After her capsizing this year, we don't want any water on board in any appreciable quantity! Appreciate your support!
Wish you the very best of luck in any potential solution, for what is a very worrying situation. Its clear the harm climate change is having on a global scale and that is so obvious on looking at the waterline & for your ships!
Thanks! Appreciate it. We have to find a way (like coffer damning) to keep the river level stable while it changes throughout the seasons here in Buffalo! There are some drastic differences even daily, and we're working with the NOAA Buffalo Water Station to monitor the changes throughout the day! Thanks again!
Hi Shane,
You have a very valid concern here.
You mentioned how thin the hull is on the Sullivans. If the hull is close to hitting the bottom, or river bed, and there are rocks and or irregularities,They could cave in or puncture the hull. If that happens, we'll be right where we were half a year ago. One solution would be to move the "boats" out farther. Don't know how plausible that would be, 15 to 20 feet farther out in the river could make a great difference. If it's soft mud, that's one thing, hard irregular surfaces is something quite different. I would consider this to be a high priority.
You wouldn't want people on board to load the boat closer to the bottom, as that could help cause hull damage.
I saw the Fitz in lock 3 of the Welland Canal in 71. One scenario was that she hit bottom, and sustained damage allowing water in. They had 2 pumps pumping 4,000 gal. Per minute, each, equal to what a whole fire department could pump, and they weren't keeping up! Fitz was underway, your boats aren't, which would make great difference.
A few people on board would be bad, but tours of people could cause harm to the ship.
Thanks Gregory! It's a valid thought too! I know we've been talking about how this upcoming year is an important one for all three ships, and we'll be charting the course for the next 10 - 15 years for their survivability. Docking them farther out would be tough, as the rest of the river is used for lake freighters and pleasure watercraft, but your concerns are going to be needing to be addressed this year! Thanks for the support!
@@BuffaloNavalPark another way to fix the problem would be to move the boats and dig a deep trench where they normally would be anchored.
WOW! It wasn't long ago the Sulivans was sinking. Big turn around. I hope this can work its self out. I'd hate to see these ships in real trouble. Please send more videos when possible.
Thanks for watching and your thoughts! We'll be giving updates throughout the winter. We have some positive things coming up - the naval architect we hired will be starting this coming week, and after his thorough survey will help us map out next steps to best preserve the ships!
Condition of the USS Sullivan's Navy ship today ? Mary Babiec
Supplied a little update in the video! Thanks!
Good luck!
Thanks, Frank! We'll keep everyone posted!
You’re not the only one dealing with low water. Living in the thousand islands in upstate NY. I have never seen the river this low in my life. Something is going on we are not being told about. Canada regulates the water levels in Lake Ontario and the St Lawrence river. Unfortunately I believe they are responsible for all of this. It’s depressing for one and hurts my business as well. No water in my marina equals no boating!!
Thanks for your comments. It's been a hot topic, with Buffalo being about 560 feet above sea level, I know we aren't affected by the ocean, but there's been a lot of talk. Sorry to hear about your boating business. Just keep digging around and talk to experts in the field...that's what I plan on doing here! Appreciate you watching!
I bought a lottery ticket today Shane. I can't help the river level but I will definitely help the Buffalo Naval Park if I win.
Promise. God bless you for all you do sir. Blessings from Kansas~
Sorry Shane. Didn't win. Maybe Friday! 😀😀😀
@@stevecole3192 Oh thanks, Steve! I'm sorry to hear you didn't win...for yourself and your family, and of course for us too! We really appreciate the thought! And here's to this coming Friday! Hope to hear the good news...and stay well as always! 😃👍
@@BuffaloNavalPark I am ever hopeful my friend. 😆😁😀
In a situation like this, one of the best but not the least expensive solutions is to cofferdam the surrounding area and fill in the resting area with water to float the ships off the bottom. A more expensive solution is to drydock the ships, cofferdam the ship's resting area, drain and build resting blocks on a platform where the ships would be. Return the ships to the location and rest them on the blocks in water (to hide the resting blocks) and the ships would look like they are sitting in the water like normal and you wouldn't have to worry about sinking. Just an idea. I may have more for you if you are interested.
Thanks superboats2. With the naval architect starting this week, we hope to work with him over the next 10 weeks to create a menu list of recommendations to help preserve the ships.
It sounds like there are two things that can be done. Both expensive and difficult. First, pull the ships out to clear their mooring area and then dredge it. The second item is more for the Sullivans and Croaker. Entirely remove them from the water as has been done for HMS Victory and the Thermopylae. Both would survive many, many years that way. Little Rock may be too big for the second option, but it'd be worth looking into.
Thanks, John. Good thoughts. We looked at this option, and unfortunately there isn't enough space in our current location. There are other areas where we could do that, but if we were to stay here (so far we're committed) there isn't enough land before the roads get in the way. If you were to do a google overhead map, you'll see what I mean! Appreciate it!
@@BuffaloNavalPark The reason I've mentioned this before, now, and possibly again, is that I don't want to see the end of the historical ships. There's only so much that can be done to keep patching them. The Sullivans has already sunk once. If not for the shallow river, she might've been a total loss. How long before Croaker takes her final, unintended dive? Little Rock is already sitting on the bottom. That is NOT natural. If the water level goes down too far, the stresses on her hull may be too much. You commented on that when talking about Croaker. These ships MUST be saved. They must be preserved for posterity, to let future generations see what the men of WWII went to sea in and saved our nation and others.
Can you form a coffer damn to keep them afloat?
That might be a possibility we have to look into....it's a counter intuitive for sure, but it's something to study and explore.
@@BuffaloNavalPark That was my first thought too but it's probably pretty expensive, especially after what you just went through with The Sullivans. Hoping for the best Shane.
@@BuffaloNavalPark :having seen pile drivers all over the country between highways and residentail there are plent of people who can do this and it could not cost that much. furthermore, you should float the ships and support them with lots of blocks from below. that way in case you have another sullivan-type event you can drain the cofferdam.ho much did ti cost to save the ship this spring?
could always build a Coffer damn around the ships and flood it with more water, kinda like a make shift dry dock (essentially a wet dock) this would always keep the ships off the bottom until you let the water out
Very expensive, but possible.
Thank you! We are beginning to explore those options! Once the naval architect visits and gives us his complete report on the condition of the ships, we'll have a path forward. It may be damning as you mention and raising the water to a level so they never touch the bottom and keep the water at that level, or we dredge deeper to account for those fluctuations...we'll see...and we'll keep everyone posted! Thanks!
I have a question if the little rock is sitting in 3 ft of mud on the bottom of the river how are you ever going to get it to dry dock and you need to?.
Rlsummers041, that's a great question. One of the ways is to raise the ships with buoyancy floats (don't know if that's the correct term.) But that may raise the ships the few feet we need. Another way is to wait until the Buffalo River is high, like in this video. The Little Rock was out of the mud at this point in the day. This isn't a phenomenon that just happens in the winter time, it happens all year long. Just the severity changes. Thanks again!
Wow, I hope the water level changes. I've never been to the park to see these ships and would like to one day. I visited the USS New Jersey in Camden, NJ two weeks ago. They definitely don't have a water level issue there. If this keeps up, would you guys consider relocating the ships? or, could they be temporarily moved and the area where they are tied up dredged? I know it wouldn't be cheap.
Thanks for watching and supporting our museum ships with your visit to BNJ. This is an area that is a fairly new concern given the amount of high wind events we're getting over the past three to four years. We don't have any proposals to address this issue right now, but dredging is one of those projects we'll be looking into. If we can dredge the river at a deeper level that will assuage some, not all, of our concerns. Thanks for watching.
Wow! Need to invent sort of cushion to put under when water levels drop. If that’s even possible.
There are floatation devices for sure, but they'd be so big (potentially) and the need for so many that it wouldn't work in our current nested position! Appreciate your comments.
It's weird we keep being told the ice shelf is melting and raising sea levels, causing flooding, yet rivers are drying up all around the world causing issues for naval museums.... what's going on? My friend actually took a photo of her standing under the kid.... which is on a cradle on the bow and stern with no support amid ships...
Thanks for watching, and for your comment. Buffalo is 560 feet above sea level, so what happens in the ocean doesn't affect us here. We're in a mini-drought. When I was a kid, we'd get snow in December and it would be on the ground until April. That gave it time to seep into the ground - raising the water table and levels in the river. Now, we get large snowstorms and the snow is gone in a week...it just turns into runoff, and it doesn't add to the water table under the ground.
On another point his is a good time for the Kidd to do some out of water repairs. With your ships will it be possible to get some divers in now or later to help install blocks to help stabilise the ships
Thanks for your suggestion! With our naval architect in town beginning work this week, we will lay out a menu of preservation items moving forward.
This must be frustrating
Quite frustrating for sure, davegoodridge8352! Thanks for tuning in!
I loved visiting the site just precovid! Kind of a shame that the navy doesn’t support any of these museum ships. I understand the need to spend money on active navy costs however the money spent on these Littoral ships that have had such a service life seems to have been such a waste even though im sure that many lessons were learned. Best of luck saving these Naval pieces!
Thanks for your support Rich1ab! Yes, once the Navy turns them over to a municipality, they wash their hands. For 40 years the Navy came to do yearly inspections of the ships, not just ours but every museum ship. They also stopped that, as it was too expensive - with roughly 180 museum ships, I can understand!
allows you to inspect the below water line
Not like the USS Kidd, but it does expose areas below the waterline we don't normally see.
Can't they do some type of dredging, bringing it in close to the hull and if you're going to go under the hull, perfo c that in the vicinity of where all the hull openings are.
That's one of the things we're beginning to discuss. I'm working on raising the bell about the changing river levels and how over the course of the year it can create havoc on our hulls! I'm hopeful we can begin to address this issue, one that had never been a problem. Appreciate it!
Do the museum plan to come up with a solution such as dredging the river?
Thanks for the question. I think with what we're seeing with the water level (and based on walking around it for the past five years), I don't think it will come up to prior levels anytime soon, so dredging is something we need to be discussing! Thanks for your support!
That kind of operation is not really on the museum.
Dredging that is.
Raiiny and windy in video 2 . The 2 battleships are moving . The submarine - still
Thanks Mary!
Is it to do with water flow and lack of dredging of the river or is it just the lack of rain?
Buffalo and WNY is definitely in a mini drought. Used to be when I was a kid, the snowfall would be on the ground all winter long. Now it comes in spurts and then is gone within a few days. It's just run off and not absorbing into the ground or the water table, helping to create the mini drought. We'll need to dredge if this keeps up for sure. Thanks for your support!
@@BuffaloNavalPark just found your channel and loving some of the historical bits you have put on. My great grandfather served in both wars with his own boat the ss victor
Are croakers ballasts tanks dry? And if not is the 225 service line still useable?
Thanks for the question! We have one ballast tank (6A), that we foamed this past year as she had a hole right on the bottom from rubbing the riverbed (due to changes in water levels), and since the hole was so near the keel, we couldn't get a diver down there...so, we just foamed it for now. If you're referring to the main power line from shore, yes we currently have power in Croaker! Thanks again!
" If you're referring to the main power line from shore, yes we currently have power in Croaker! " That tells far more than you asked doesn't it?
@@BuffaloNavalPark I know on Balaos they have a service line believe it's labeled 225 for air acutally tapped into one via the freeflood zone fwd on the Con starboard side about the area of the 20mm mount we were able to fill the air tanks to about 150 psi from a tow behind air compressor, and we were able to start blowing main and the negative tank ballasts using the original manifold. Helped us figure out which tanks were ruptured. Yet again the vents were supposedly "welded shut"
@@usaafP-520 Our inspection hatches that can be seen above the waterline on the outer skin were added after service, probably with that same idea. For our 6A, since we couldn't get a diver below that tank or someone to crawl in with the water level in that tank, they attached a compressor and like you say, blew the water out through the area of water intrusion, and then immediately foamed it. We've searched through our other tanks and will do the same process. Thanks for the explanation.
So much for Rising sea levels..
Buffalo and WNY is about 560 feet above sea level, but I can't speak for the coasts where they are only 20 - 40 feet above sea level.
Cofferdam, and fixed... See USS North Carolina, have a great day!
Excellent suggestion! Enjoy!
I am fully aware of the money involved but could your facility possibly Crowd Fund, Go Fund Me & request emergency funds from Dept of Interior for a permanent coffer damn be installed so a resting/dry dock cradle system be installed for all ships there. That way when repairs are needed you all could drain the area to exact repairs. The remaining time could be pumped up so all ships float naturally as they were designed to be in real life.
Thanks for the question! I think we will begin to address these drastic changes in water level for sure! Coffer damning is one way to solve that for sure...but, our vessels need to dry dock or get repaired first. We can then look to how best to keep the water level stable while the rest of the river goes upping and downing!
If the water line is moving on the ship then that ship is already on the bottom guaranteed...If it was floating it would still be at the same line since it's not been adding or removing any weight to it so all three ships are already sitting on the bottom
Correct! And thanks for your comments! The water level is lower today than I have ever seen it...it's something that we're monitoring much more closely now. Thanks.
The Buffalo River is down, the Mississippi River is down, the water level at Hoover Dam is down 185 feet to a point where they may not be able to generate electricity. What's going on?
Thanks for your support! Buffalo and WNY has been in a mini-drought for a while. When I was a kid, we'd get snow and it would be there all winter long. Now we get storms, and the snow is gone in a few days. It doesn't give time for the snow to absorb into the ground - it's all run off.
Out West we have too many people/homes/businesses/factories. No enforcement of watering regulations are a problem too. We shouldn't be having giant farms in the desert. We shouldn't have lush lawns and landscaping in the desert.
Everything is completely mis-managed in order for real estate developers and their government cronies to make money.
Good, now you guys can work on the bottom parts of ships lol!
If it keeps on going down...this opens up options though, but nothing like USS Kidd which is completely out of water due to the low Mississippi! Thanks for watching!
As you may or may not know, China is not situated well when it comes to fresh water. Fresh water from the Great Lakes has, for some time now, been being sold to China. From what I gather, water is moved in big bladders towed behind ships... fresh water is lighter than salt water and therefore the bladders float. Several million gallons at a time to China over years could make quite a difference in water levels of the lakes and rivers.
alphonski1 - Thanks for bringing that up! From what I know there is a bi-national commission consisting of every Canadian Province and every US State that borders every Great Lake. The commission works with scientists and yes, while they sell fresh water to China, they also limit it to what the scientists on the commission say about how much water can be sold so not to stress our fresh water environments.
I suggest you lay off the QAnon.
Water levels are low because precipitation is at record low levels right across the entire northern hemisphere - including China, Europe, Russia and North America.
Rainfall is however at record highs in the southern hemisphere (thanks to the Hunga Tonga volcano blocking sunlight for the last six months).
😳 I thought drought was currently more an American West and Chinese Yangtze River problem? What's the ultimate main source of the Buffalo River?
I believe its just mountain run off but dont quote me on it...
@@panzercraft5556 Oh great. I find this out AFTER watching some drought disaster videos followed by flood disaster videos, followed by tsunami comparison/disaster videos. Sometimes I hate CZcams. (I could have at least been swept away by funny cat vidoes, but no. I blame this site. It led me down the primrose path of time wasted. 🤪
Hey Vegan, the Buffalo River is mainly a drainage for the general buffalo region and the area southeast of buffalo, it dumps into Lake Erie and the head water to the Niagra River. Parts of New York State has been in a mild drought.
@@panzercraft5556 the western part of New York State is fairly flat,
@@ed12151 Yes, we are very flat here...at the end of the Allegheny Foothills.
I can't click like, we need a sad face to click... scary
Weird, Classicbob44! Thanks for watching and wanting to like, even if you couldn't!
@@BuffaloNavalPark Shane, I meant I just can't click LIKE because it so sad about the water levels and your (our) concerns about the water level. BTW, I have now clicked like because of the subject matter concerns.
striations
Excellent! Thanks so much! I just added a "d" to the word! Appreciate it!
Stratification
Thanks! I'm no geologist!
Could you not take this time to paint the exposed steel?
pcguy36, as of now, it's just too cold. The Buffalo River is currently 37.8F, so being in a dingy at the water line would be rough for anyone painting. We also have to worry about the paint not curing on steel that may be 40 - 45 degrees...if this was Virginia or California, it would be different, but not at these temps! Thanks for watching!
@@BuffaloNavalPark makes sense. There's always spring time.
It's not the river.
The naval park is a few hundred yards from lake Erie.
As any person who has lived here knows.. the lake level is wind dependent.
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All the great lakes except Ontario drain thru Erie. This low level is the result of less rainfall in the watershed. Superior, Huron and Michigan watershed area is what feeds Erie and then Ontario.
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If I am not mistaken, I believe that the St. Lawrence river has also seen lower levels in recent years.
Thanks for your comments! Very true, indeed.
Wow....I thought the sea levels were RISING? And IF they are rising, why aren't they flowing up the rivers? Science class taught me that water seeks it's own level.
Buffalo is about 560 feet above sea level. Most coastal areas, like NYC and other places are only 20 - 40 feet above sea level. Seiches rock the waters of Lake Erie back and forth like a bathtub. Upstate NY is definitely in a mini-drought. We don't get the snow that we used to in Buffalo. Thanks for watching!
That water looks rough
Oh yeah...sometimes it's clear, sometimes it's green but not cloudy and sometimes it looks like YooHoo...the chocolate drink! Appreciate you watching!
Just my stupid idea but here goes anyway.. Any chance with enough future funding of course, if these great battle ships are to remain in one certain area for the public to visit, there could be a permanent ship lock built, that way the lock would be filled and maintained at a structurely safe water level 24-7..... Again just a stupid idea I'm sure....🤔
No stupid ideas...that's a coffer dam, like USS Alabama and USS North Carolina. We're beginning to discuss this as these dramatic changes to water level occur with more frequency. First thing is to get them stabilized from the water level down to keel and then explore how best to preserve them from the elements moving forwad!
This breaks my heart, damage these vessels could receive.
Kirk, Thanks so much. Agreed. We have to worry about rising levels, but now we also have to think about lowering levels too! Each causes their own problems!
@@BuffaloNavalPark yep I was thinking of the stress on the frames and strakes. Some ships might be lost to damage if they come out to fast
While I feel sorry for the ship, and that alone is tragic, it terrifies me how low all these rivers are getting. Is it we are just drinking (and watering) too much, or has rain (and snow) just been down for many years? Or is it both? At some point, very soon, our society is gonna have to get serious about water desalination projects as well as water conservation.
The area around Buffalo is definitely experiencing a mini-drought, like most of the country. Back when I was a kid, we'd get snow, and then it would be there all winter long. What we get now is snow, and then it melts in a day or three. That turns into runoff as opposed to being slowly absorbed into the soil. Over many years of this it does affect water levels for sure. I agree...look at the recent articles about the Colorado River and the Mississippi! Thanks!
Desalination requires a lot of energy. Only viable solution in scale is better water management and not letting agriculture use more in arid climates then comes into the system normally. Water thirsty crops shouldn't be made viable through irrigation in arid places just because of the better soil and longer growing season.
You’re like a quarter mile from open lake, wouldn’t it be the lake level that matters and not the river?
That's a great point, streetracer! I'll have to explore that a little bit more! With the Seiches coming in from the Lake we know it does effect the river levels, but for more "permanent" levels on an everyday basis, it raises food for thought! Appreciate it...all in all, we'll be exploring this issue!
@@BuffaloNavalPark nice. As an example, Philly is 50 miles upriver from Delaware Bay, but Philly gets almost exactly the same tidal range (6-7ft) as the bay, it just takes a few hours for the tide change to reach Philly. Even if you go up creeks well above Philly, the tidal range is still about the same. So my guess is that if the lake height changes, then in less than an hour where you are changes to the same height.
At least the kids is resting on her cradle blocks.
But without the buoyancy of the water, there is some concern by me that she could begin to buckle under her own weight. We'll see soon what staff of USS Kidd thinks, as I'll be conducting an interview with them soon! Thanks!
@@BuffaloNavalPark true enough, but it was designed for high and low river levels.
@@tombowman2154 There is 0 data on how a metal framed ship would fair out of water on blocks over time. There are some submarines but those are built with far stronger hulls as they have to deal with water pressure from all around in service. Wooden framed vessels such as the HMS Victory that were kept out of water long enough eventually started to have their strakes flow around their frames as all ships despite being built on land are meant to be supported by the water and launch at just a fraction of their total fitted displacement.
@@Cragified she is cradled like she would be in drydock. So if a ship can take being in drydock for a couple of years that's the only point I was trying to make.
Well the next time one of your ships sinks it won’t have as far too go
Quite true! A silver lining always!
Yes you were correct they're striations in geological terms not geography 😆
Thanks for confirming! It's been a long time since I attended an Earth Science class!
You would think that with increasing melting of polar ice caps. Water levels everywhere would be rising.
You do realize that if the seas were rising, they would have to rise over 600’ higher to even reach the water level at Buffalo, right?
I think it would take a long time to travel through the St. Lawrence Seaway, into Lake Ontario, and then with Niagara Falls, it wouldn't travel "up" the falls, to the Niagara River and into the Buffalo River. But, the Mississippi River is also lower!
Very true LenKing...Buffalo is about 540 feet above sea level.
@@lenking410 some dont fo;;ow geography
or evan realise the rising ground when they drive ho hum
If this is because of " global warming" , then all the arctic ice should be melting . So shouldn't the ocean level be higher ? So how come all our rivers are drying up ? The water has to go somewhere . 🤔🤷🏼♂️
The Buffalo\WNY area is in a mini-drought. We don't get our water from the Ocean, and Buffalo is 560 feet above sea level. We're seeing lowering water levels due to this mini-drought...less snow, lower watersheds, etcetera. Same with the Mississippi River.
So it had too much water now not enough 😂😂😂
Ah, the whims of nature, certainly! Thanks so much for watching!
Maybe the Canadians are stealing the water.
Hmmm...the War of 1812 still rages throughout the Niagara Frontier. As if burning Buffalo on 30 Dec. 1813 wasn't enough!
You know classic vehicles keep engine alive why not does same classic ship keep engine alive. So it time to fire up engine and move other local to park. I know it cost but that the way it is. You talk too much o this volg
No way we can get these ships moving again. Most of the systems have been cut out, wires have been chopped. The Navy makes sure we can't take these out for a spin after they give one to a city or entity.
lol
You sure can take a small amount of info and make it last for 11 minutes by repeating yourself over and over.
Along with the "uhs" and "ums", I definitely drag it out!
learn the terms before making the video. A little preparation helps a lot.
Thanks dave8599!...What do you suggest I change?
@@BuffaloNavalPark
basically
use info every body is aware of
and use that as a base line
or best of all dont bother trying to make something that falls flat before you stand it up
called cheap video
lots of research is a good idea
Compared to your own channels, Dave and RAY? Jeez, he said at the beginning it was just a quick video to bring attention to the problem.