I love how Misha doesnt even flinch now at Jared coming and messing with him. He really is an interesting person and had such an interesting take on things. I could.listen to him talk for hours.
I love when Misha offers his perspective on things. Such an interesting point of view on an indeed complex subject. I think this (broader) brotherhood can include women and that the show had at some point or another the female characters to do so, but they kind of missed their organic window of opportunity.
That’s the perfect way to describe it, missing its organic window. The pivotal women of the show have been fantastic and, had they lived, although we can never know, they would have continued to contribute to the story (ignoring for the moment that their deaths weren’t incredible story telling as well) The writers are creative enough that they’d be able to sew in the core brotherhood with a female presence- but being set in “the way of things” traps otherwise adaptive shows. SPN is very unique, deserving of critique, and still a successful Arabian Nights.
He's right. The driving dynamic of the show was brotherhood. That's okay. It worked. Perhaps they could have found a way to broaden it, but at least they did include some strong female characters, like Mary. But the links between the two brothers, and between Dean/Castiel, whose chemistry was undeniable however you choose to view it, was the engine.
I totally agree with him on the topic of gender representation and how Supernatural has found it's own unique way of exploring both femininity and especially masculinity in a different light than is really seen anywhere else in the world of entertainment. It's refreshing and very interesting and has certainly worked in the favor of the show.
I have read the comments some people have made & well this show was not about 2 sisters it was & still is about 2 brothers & i don't give a fuck if some women think this show should b about women b cuz if it was I would not watch it it's perfect the way it is & has always been❤
Misha calling out the show and Hollywood in general and also saying that SPN should touch on masculinity/femininity in a show about brotherhood. It should not be a show only manly men hunting things.
Yikes. After having finished this video I have to say I see why Misha’s saying what he’s saying- that it’s incredible that this is the only show on tv right now that’s literally about brothers and nobody else. I mean. It’s certainly a feat. Absolutely true. Plus, women back in 2006 way before fandom was comprised of the number of feminists today, well, they tended to hate on female characters.Viciously. And of course introducing characters suddenly can be difficult to make feel natural when a show has steadfastedly been men men men for a decade. I get all of this. However, I’ve been groaning for YEARS, forEVER how gross it is that there aren’t women, and isn’t that all that needs to be said in the end? I’m a woman of color, daughter and aunt, just turned 21. Listen to me, who HAS supported the show since 2012. I would have been cool with more women 7 years ago. The first recorded internet usage of the word “mansplain” was a comment made by a woman to a man arguing in a SPN forum. There is no excuse to say that the show we love wouldn’t have had its longevity had it actively pursued equal opportunity casting. It would be different. It would go down better in tv history. It could have even been before it’s time, preceded by Buffy and X Files with it’s own beautiful initial arc drawing viewers into its thrall like flies. Women does not equal relationships for the brothers, or getting in the way, it just means the creative capacity to be able to write and keep complex characters instead of relying on the men they’ve made their crutch.
I don’t get it but what is he saying? That men survive in Spn and women don’t because the show is about brotherhood? I mean sure but why does that brotherhood need to be affirmed by needlessly killing off women? Someone with better context please tell me what does he mean. Is he drunk or something, normally Misha isn’t this ignorant.
Estha Lensherr I don’t think that’s Misha being ignorant. I think what he’s saying is that as per the story line, having female characters as series regulars it wouldn’t be the same. He’s also saying that there could’ve been a way to make it so that female characters stayed on the show longer than some have but it wouldn’t have lasted as long.
mcrchickenluvr Thanks for explaining. I thought he was joking and being sarcastic and saying stupid things without understanding what it means for him to say it. But now the screen caps and your explanation make a lot of sense.
Estha Lensherr there are some female series regulars that have definitely been a key ingredient for the premise of the show. In season 5 and 6 where Dean was with Lisa and Ben we got to see him more in the human aspect. But you can see the conflict he obviously has with wanting to be a family man but also knowing things that most people don’t. I feel like Sam and Dean, as their characters, have similar conflicts in that regard. As per the other females they’ve had on the show, Rowena, Jody, Charlie, and Jo and Helen have all had a major impact on the storyline. Whereas if someone else where to come in I don’t think it would have worked.
There are movies and TV shows about sisterhood and the female experience. But really think about aside from Supernatural is there a show that portrays men as they really are. Not the goofy husband or the cheating man. But men having real emotions joy, sadness and/or depression. This show is about male relationships in an honest and real way. But when the network tried to turn the show into something else it didn't work. The boys are hunters in that career it isn't safe for them to have a family and romantic ties. It doesn't make sense in the canon. Take the Lisa/Ben situation Dean put them in a dangerous situation and they almost died until he walked away. But the way the women die in Supernatural is not showing weakness it's showing strength. The death of Charlie was a tribute to an amazing woman that had the strength to give her life for Sam and Dean. Jo and Ellen go out in a similar way as strong females that die protect the people they love. Those deaths are a testimony to the strength of women. Women on this show don't need to be rescued by the men they die for the men that is a huge shift from the past when the woman is standing in the corner screaming for the man to save her. Just my two cents.
He made sense and also touched on how shows bring on women to only be a love interest cause so many other shows were doing that and I agree. That sucks.
The show went from being a weekly horror movie about two brothers trying to save the world who came to each other's rescue when needed, to a soap opera where they had to be regularly rescued by the woman or women of the week. All because the powers that be castrated and emasculated them to offer them up to the PC Hollywood bullshit status quo... I loved this show...before they turned the boys into eunuchs who bumble their way through every episode...smh... :(
blah blah blah why keep watching if u hate SO MUCH the show... are you a masochist??' or just wanna complain because toy do not gave your ship??? OHHH bum!!!
They had to have some development. They couldn't keep the show in the same "power levels" for 14 seasons. And although imo season 12 was absolutely horrible (I think they know that too. Chuck pretty much said it in the last episode), I thing they got it back together with seasons 13 and 14.
Ran mion I almost wrote what my dad used to say. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. The only difference is when you release the pressure valve some will stink up a room and others can evacuate the whole neighborhood.
What an ~interesting look into the sexist male psyche's ability to compartmentalize institutional misogyny, that's then fed by the seeming internalized sexism of interviewers.
The way y'all ENCOURAGE him to separate SPN as a /men/ show, and female characters in another SPN property, separate from the men, leaving it 'untainted', is... Wow.
@@hottiewatchr Either you're purposely taking his comments in an offensive and inaccurate direction, or you're ignorant. I understood perfectly what he meant. THIS show needed to stick to its core, and he was happy it wasn't "tainted" by the suits at CW insisting they shoe-horn in characters that just didn't fit the narrative. That would be doing a well loved show, and well crafted story, an injustice, all in the name of being PC. SPN has a formula, and if you start messing with it too much, you get a shark jump. I don't see you spewing your arrogance at Charmed for staying focused on a sisterhood. SPN isn't allowed to stay focused on a brotherhood? Perhaps it is you that is the sexist. Also, the characters meant to be apart of Wayward Sisters deserved a full series of their own. They had stories to tell that would never have the chance or the time to play out on SPN. Too much story to tell, not enough time. It needed its own vehicle.
@@hottiewatchr Wow. You really have an inferiority complex, don't you? Almost every TV series is either entirely fixated on female viewpoints, relationships and attitudes or is celebrating toxic masculinity and yet the one you object to is a series in which men show how to be men without being toxic? Grow up, little girl. You are misogynistic, bitter and pathetic.
Wow, what a misogynistic, ignorant point of view. Because a show is about a group of men, that makes it sexist. You must live a pretty miserable life, trying to find sexism in everything you see, hear, or do.
I love when Misha offers his perspective on things. Such an interesting point of view on an indeed complex subject. I think this (broader) brotherhood can include women and that the show had at some point or another the female characters to do so, but they kind of missed their organic window of opportunity.
I love how Misha doesnt even flinch now at Jared coming and messing with him. He really is an interesting person and had such an interesting take on things. I could.listen to him talk for hours.
2:15 Misha talking about menly men then Jared comes in messing with him lol
LOved it when Jared walked by & stuck his finger in his ear & he didnt even react ! Love u All So MUCH ! ILL MISS U ! X O X O
I love when Misha offers his perspective on things. Such an interesting point of view on an indeed complex subject. I think this (broader) brotherhood can include women and that the show had at some point or another the female characters to do so, but they kind of missed their organic window of opportunity.
That’s the perfect way to describe it, missing its organic window. The pivotal women of the show have been fantastic and, had they lived, although we can never know, they would have continued to contribute to the story (ignoring for the moment that their deaths weren’t incredible story telling as well) The writers are creative enough that they’d be able to sew in the core brotherhood with a female presence- but being set in “the way of things” traps otherwise adaptive shows. SPN is very unique, deserving of critique, and still a successful Arabian Nights.
He's right. The driving dynamic of the show was brotherhood. That's okay. It worked. Perhaps they could have found a way to broaden it, but at least they did include some strong female characters, like Mary. But the links between the two brothers, and between Dean/Castiel, whose chemistry was undeniable however you choose to view it, was the engine.
Thank you the captions! 🙏 Can’t hear him but it is great to know what he is talking about.
i love jared. ofc i also love misha and jensen 🖤🖤
I wanted to join GISH when I turn 18 but now I can't 😭😭😭
I totally agree with him on the topic of gender representation and how Supernatural has found it's own unique way of exploring both femininity and especially masculinity in a different light than is really seen anywhere else in the world of entertainment. It's refreshing and very interesting and has certainly worked in the favor of the show.
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Funny they just want to do small talk with you then I'm going to interview is that funny you have to tell them any questions
I have read the comments some people have made & well this show was not about 2 sisters it was & still is about 2 brothers & i don't give a fuck if some women think this show should b about women b cuz if it was I would not watch it it's perfect the way it is & has always been❤
Misha calling out the show and Hollywood in general and also saying that SPN should touch on masculinity/femininity in a show about brotherhood. It should not be a show only manly men hunting things.
I don't know what the big deal is about lack of female characters in Supernatural. It is like going to see Magic Mike for the women.
Yikes. After having finished this video I have to say I see why Misha’s saying what he’s saying- that it’s incredible that this is the only show on tv right now that’s literally about brothers and nobody else. I mean. It’s certainly a feat. Absolutely true. Plus, women back in 2006 way before fandom was comprised of the number of feminists today, well, they tended to hate on female characters.Viciously. And of course introducing characters suddenly can be difficult to make feel natural when a show has steadfastedly been men men men for a decade. I get all of this. However, I’ve been groaning for YEARS, forEVER how gross it is that there aren’t women, and isn’t that all that needs to be said in the end? I’m a woman of color, daughter and aunt, just turned 21. Listen to me, who HAS supported the show since 2012. I would have been cool with more women 7 years ago. The first recorded internet usage of the word “mansplain” was a comment made by a woman to a man arguing in a SPN forum. There is no excuse to say that the show we love wouldn’t have had its longevity had it actively pursued equal opportunity casting. It would be different. It would go down better in tv history. It could have even been before it’s time, preceded by Buffy and X Files with it’s own beautiful initial arc drawing viewers into its thrall like flies. Women does not equal relationships for the brothers, or getting in the way, it just means the creative capacity to be able to write and keep complex characters instead of relying on the men they’ve made their crutch.
I don’t get it but what is he saying? That men survive in Spn and women don’t because the show is about brotherhood? I mean sure but why does that brotherhood need to be affirmed by needlessly killing off women? Someone with better context please tell me what does he mean. Is he drunk or something, normally Misha isn’t this ignorant.
Estha Lensherr I don’t think that’s Misha being ignorant. I think what he’s saying is that as per the story line, having female characters as series regulars it wouldn’t be the same. He’s also saying that there could’ve been a way to make it so that female characters stayed on the show longer than some have but it wouldn’t have lasted as long.
mcrchickenluvr Thanks for explaining. I thought he was joking and being sarcastic and saying stupid things without understanding what it means for him to say it. But now the screen caps and your explanation make a lot of sense.
Estha Lensherr there are some female series regulars that have definitely been a key ingredient for the premise of the show. In season 5 and 6 where Dean was with Lisa and Ben we got to see him more in the human aspect. But you can see the conflict he obviously has with wanting to be a family man but also knowing things that most people don’t. I feel like Sam and Dean, as their characters, have similar conflicts in that regard. As per the other females they’ve had on the show, Rowena, Jody, Charlie, and Jo and Helen have all had a major impact on the storyline. Whereas if someone else where to come in I don’t think it would have worked.
There are movies and TV shows about sisterhood and the female experience. But really think about aside from Supernatural is there a show that portrays men as they really are. Not the goofy husband or the cheating man. But men having real emotions joy, sadness and/or depression. This show is about male relationships in an honest and real way. But when the network tried to turn the show into something else it didn't work. The boys are hunters in that career it isn't safe for them to have a family and romantic ties. It doesn't make sense in the canon. Take the Lisa/Ben situation Dean put them in a dangerous situation and they almost died until he walked away. But the way the women die in Supernatural is not showing weakness it's showing strength. The death of Charlie was a tribute to an amazing woman that had the strength to give her life for Sam and Dean. Jo and Ellen go out in a similar way as strong females that die protect the people they love. Those deaths are a testimony to the strength of women. Women on this show don't need to be rescued by the men they die for the men that is a huge shift from the past when the woman is standing in the corner screaming for the man to save her. Just my two cents.
He made sense and also touched on how shows bring on women to only be a love interest cause so many other shows were doing that and I agree. That sucks.
The show went from being a weekly horror movie about two brothers trying to save the world who came to each other's rescue when needed, to a soap opera where they had to be regularly rescued by the woman or women of the week. All because the powers that be castrated and emasculated them to offer them up to the PC Hollywood bullshit status quo...
I loved this show...before they turned the boys into eunuchs who bumble their way through every episode...smh... :(
blah blah blah why keep watching if u hate SO MUCH the show... are you a masochist??' or just wanna complain because toy do not gave your ship??? OHHH bum!!!
They had to have some development. They couldn't keep the show in the same "power levels" for 14 seasons. And although imo season 12 was absolutely horrible (I think they know that too. Chuck pretty much said it in the last episode), I thing they got it back together with seasons 13 and 14.
What show are you watching? It isn't Supernatural.
Crimson King as Jared said, opinions are like assholes everyone has one. But not everyone needs to be seen.
Ran mion I almost wrote what my dad used to say. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. The only difference is when you release the pressure valve some will stink up a room and others can evacuate the whole neighborhood.
What an ~interesting look into the sexist male psyche's ability to compartmentalize institutional misogyny, that's then fed by the seeming internalized sexism of interviewers.
The way y'all ENCOURAGE him to separate SPN as a /men/ show, and female characters in another SPN property, separate from the men, leaving it 'untainted', is... Wow.
@@hottiewatchr Either you're purposely taking his comments in an offensive and inaccurate direction, or you're ignorant. I understood perfectly what he meant. THIS show needed to stick to its core, and he was happy it wasn't "tainted" by the suits at CW insisting they shoe-horn in characters that just didn't fit the narrative. That would be doing a well loved show, and well crafted story, an injustice, all in the name of being PC. SPN has a formula, and if you start messing with it too much, you get a shark jump. I don't see you spewing your arrogance at Charmed for staying focused on a sisterhood. SPN isn't allowed to stay focused on a brotherhood? Perhaps it is you that is the sexist. Also, the characters meant to be apart of Wayward Sisters deserved a full series of their own. They had stories to tell that would never have the chance or the time to play out on SPN. Too much story to tell, not enough time. It needed its own vehicle.
@@hottiewatchr Wow. You really have an inferiority complex, don't you? Almost every TV series is either entirely fixated on female viewpoints, relationships and attitudes or is celebrating toxic masculinity and yet the one you object to is a series in which men show how to be men without being toxic?
Grow up, little girl. You are misogynistic, bitter and pathetic.
Wow, what a misogynistic, ignorant point of view. Because a show is about a group of men, that makes it sexist. You must live a pretty miserable life, trying to find sexism in everything you see, hear, or do.
I love when Misha offers his perspective on things. Such an interesting point of view on an indeed complex subject. I think this (broader) brotherhood can include women and that the show had at some point or another the female characters to do so, but they kind of missed their organic window of opportunity.