Memories of the Future | Attack on Titan S4 Ep 20 Reaction
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WTF!?
damn
Ikr hahahah
Peak
Mind fuckery
My thoughts exactly
When you realize Eren got Grisha to spare Rod Reiss, so Historia can defeat him and become Queen, so everyone in the Walls is united towards freedom, so Eren later gets to kiss her hand and see the future.
Bruh
I WATCHED A TON OF ANALYSIS VIDEOS I HAVENT EVEN HEARD OF IT BEING THAT DEEP
Can't he just touch her to see the future? They both are being friends anyway
Omg
@@rendytiro8115 I think once is enough lol he didn't even expect to see any of these stuff in the first place
Grishas voice actor deserves an award every time he speaks I get chills
The krueger scene too, sooo good vA
@UCc2X-fG2y0vwX0EnlrdGxJQ what kind of statement is that lmaoooo
Yeah
Yeah the first time when he told little eren to master his powers, in S 1 episode 9, chills everytime.
Fr no English dub is topping thatđ± some real pain in his voice!
Eren is such a chad he can be the protagonist, he can be the writer, he can be the antagonist, he can be whatever he wants.
He is childish if you understand manga
@@playerjack2566 he is a slave if you understand the manga
U canât be a antagonist if your a protagonist đ€Šđżââïž protagonist doesnât automatically mean good and antagonist doesnât automatically mean bad just who the story is about and whoâs against them or their objective
@@silverdemon1530 he is the epitome of free will bearer. He will do what he wants to do to save what he likes the most.
I m not saying he is a hero, but he is hero of his story.
Stop using the term protagonist and antagonist wrong
Antagonist doesn't mean villain
It means "the person opposing the main character"
If the protagonist is morally evil and the antagonist is morally good that doesn't switch their roles (a big example is death not with kira the "evil" protagonist and L the "good" antagonist or code geass with Lelouch and suzaku)
So unless eren starts opposing and sabotaging himself and do things that contradict his past actions (which will happen sooner than later) he is not the antagonist (he may become a villain but he is still the protagonist)
What's amazing is the parallel this show revealed.
The Founding titan is ruled by its predecessor...and the Attack titan is ruled by its successor.
Aye you got that brain on you I see
damn never thought about that
The Attack Titan fights for freedom, but it's the most restrained titan in a way. It can only move forward.
And not just its Successor but it's LAST successor That attack titain always moves forward to the end The first controlled by the last to get to the outcome the last desired Freedom. Even the Owl said the Attack titain's goal was Freedom.
wow never thought it that way thank you for opening my mind
Basically every time Grisha "sees" Zeke or Eren, he's seeing them because of Eren's memories of that exact moment. Whenever he sees Zeke, Eren is always looking at him from behind Grisha.
Yes exactly that.
Grisha never sees future Eren. Only future Zeke.
Exactly, in fact eren wasn't talking directly to his father in the chapel but was sending the message through the memory of him talking to grisha while he was in the memory.
That really is just an interesting paradox. He's seeing current Eren's memories the moment he is actually living out the memory. Do you think Grisha's point of view would be in third person at that moment then, seeing himself and Zeke from Eren's eyes? That fucks with my brain on so many levels and it surely had to fuck with his as well
@@TheChuffert Yes, third person POV.
Isayma: So... I was thinking to give the founding titan's power to Zeke
Eren: No you wont.
Isayma: No I wont.
Whatâs up bot man
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Hey, It's the bot man
I like your funny words bot man
personally I think when Eren said he was "disgusted" at what his dad did, I think Eren meant he was digusted that his Dad almost didn't go through and hesitated from taking the founding titan.
Yep that's right
Yes, i think that's it
You are exactly right.
I think that too
Absolutely
Holy shit, I just realized, the reason why Eren laughed/got angry when he asked Connie if Sasha's had any last words, was because he'd probably already seen the future and her death was his confirmation that everything else he saw was going to happen!
i got spoilt about that after seeing the episode, one of my friends told me that eren has seen the future, Isayma is literally writing whatever eren tells him to
That's absolutly right
This is honestly reaching. Season 3 Eren only got memories that Season 4 sent Grisha. Future Eren had no reason to show Grisha or Past Eren Sasha's death. Season 3 Eren already knows what was going to happen next, he doesn't need confirmation via Sasha's death
@@quasquaswex4430 I didn't fully understand what you wrote but personally I think the scene of him chuckling was too random to not have any significance. Up until that point Eren had only confirmed his memories from past users were real (like finding the shore/wall that eldians were kicked off of, through grisha's memories at end of season 3) but no hard evidence on being able to change the future or not. I suspect Eren was shown scenes from what would happen in Marley and sasha's death was one of them, judging from him being expressionless when Connie first told him Sasha had died. Why else would he ask for her last words if he was already confident that he knew what they were? And why did he suddenly go psycho when he heard "meat"? I think he came to some kind of realization.
@@quasquaswex4430 That's not exactl right, when Eren kisses Historias hand, he saw his whole future and past at the same time. Hence why it is called the coordinate, because all paths (from every Eldian) combine at this exact point. At the moment he touched Historia, he became his own slave to his own destiny/timeline.
Zeke: I'm going to show you memories of how our father brainwashed you
Meanwhile Eren: I'm going to show you memories of how I brainwashed my father
âhow I brainwashed my fatherâ LMFAO
I feel like the editor missed a huge chance of having Eren hold a uno reverse card and maybe Goku drip at the last scene when he stares down at Zeke
@@samred007 *How I brainwashed my younger self and my father
if you changed it to manipulated it would be more fitting but I get you wanted to use Zeke's wording.
@@rRekko âand maybe Goku dripâ that has me laughing more than it should lmao
The scene in which Grisha is apologizing and saying he loves Zeke hurts A LOT
Only AoT can so successfully combine this level of emotional trauma with such amazing plot twists
I know right, it's the second time AoT made me cry, the first time was when I watched the first episode all those years ago
any children that have moments like that with their parent can felt how heartful yet hurtful that scene is/
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i was bawling my eyes brođđđđđđ
Zeke: but you said you were disguised by Grisha's actions
Eren: exactly, weakness disgusts me
my boy is disguised!?
I think he was more upset with the kings bs ideology than grisha, or both lol
@@isaiah1897 >or both
Yes, but especially at the softness of his pops. Faltering before the mission. Failing to grasp revenge. Letting down the streets. About to fumble the bag were it not for Big Eren carrying his bitch ass.
@@BigVEE bro u tweaking for that comment
Too much truth?
Zeke: âEren, I will save you from Grishaâs manipulation.â
Eren: âYou thought I was manipulated but actually IT WAS ME, EREN whoâs manipulating.
It was me,eren? Is that a Jojo reference
Zeke pulled out uno reverse last episode
Eren said aight bet here's mine uno reverse
It's a case of "I'm not stuck in here with you, You are stuck in here with me".
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@@shimizu4202 nah Eren str8 up pulled out the uno rule book and started writing his own rules lol
Hiroshi Tsuchida, Grisha's va, delivered an outstanding performance in this episode. He was able to effectively portray Grisha's anguish, desperation, and despair. It felt so real. This is without a doubt one of his best performances.
He and Erenâs always been the best VAs in the show
This and when him and dina were arguing in front of zeke
Thank you for the name! That dude deserves massive praise
Yeah when his VA puts that much raw emotion into it it sounds terrifying, but in a really incredibly good way of course
The seiyuss (voice actor) in AoT are amazing!! đ€đ
The fact that the very first episode of Attack on Titan is titled "To you, in 2000 years" and next week's episode is titled "From You, 2000 years ago" is some insane foreshadowing.
And important to note: the Manga wasn't even at this point either. This guy actually wrote out the entire plot before he started.
@@aydinbiber7616 Isayama the goat for that foreshadowing to himself lmaoo
â@@Shakisco_ King of foreshadowing
This comment would mean a lot more if you left it in the actual episode reaction.
Eren pulling the strings behind everything the whole time is next level crazy. This episode was mind blowing.
The fact that next ep is gonna be even better đđđ
Facts my đ€Ż first reading it in the manga still felt the same after watching it aot is just goated
@@joestarxshinigami4235 Yo I saw this shit in the manga and saw it referenced in an earlier chapter 5 years prior, I fuckin died to the author's foreshadow power.
Foreshadowing goat
@@HalAnime2 isayama is a genius
For ANYONE confused: Think of Eren as a camera for Grisha, so when Eren is staring at Grisha. Grisha can only see someone looking at him in future memories. That is also why he is able to see Zeke: Because Eren was kind enough to stand far back so both Zeke and Grisha were in his sight :)
It's a massive fuckin out of body experience for Grisha, I bet.
The only time Grisha sees Zeke is when he's in Eren's POV
@@xainreaper6458 Oh yeah, imagine when Eren was right next to his ear. All Grisha can see is someone right in front of is ear lmao
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That makes so much sense
Thanks. I was actually wondering why he didn't notice. Eren.
Thank you Eren for making Isayama write this amazing story.
Lmao
đđđđ damn bro
Isayama: I donât feel like writing today.
Eren: Youâre writing today.
Isayama: Iâm writing today.
I like how Lupa gets the reality that Eren's memory loop makes him INCREDIBLY UNFREE
And the worst thing is he took his own freedom away. Because it is the successor who decides to send his memories back in time, and not the other way around. If he had not desired it, Eren could have not retrieved those memories of his adult self (through Grisha) when he kissed the Queen during the ceremony.
That also makes Eren's speech to Mikasa and Armin at the table fairly interesting, you think?
eren is free in reality than other people but not free from fate and higher power than him
In a sense doesnât that make him extremely free? Cause its just everything he wants heâs only being controlled by himself and controlling like every other attack titan before him everything is going to happen so it doesnât matter what he does it was going to happen anyways and it will lead up to whatever moment he is in all he did was let himself see it before then
And there is no âhe shouldnât have shown himself the futureâ like itâs just going to happen he inevitably shows himself the future thereâs no other route to take
Usually in shows ab time and stuff once the past happenes you canât change it and in Aot Iâm guessing theyâve added that rule to the future as well the future is the same even thought it âhasnât happened yetâ it canât be changed either.
The ultimate freedom he longs for is like a joke heâs trapped freedom shouldnât have limits that you can reach but it seems like heâs so close to being free that heâs actually just trapped no one else is as free as eren you could argue heâs trapped by time but all the choices he makes are his own he wanted to make them even after seeing what he does it doesnât change the outcome because itâs what he wanted even if he starts regretting it when the moment comes heâll do it cause thats the future all his regrets will still lead up to that moment
@@xiayu6098 there are some stuff in manga, which you'll see in future anime episodes, that may imply parallel world.
The thing is that people donât seem to remember that in S3 E22, Eren kissed Historiaâs hand, and from that point forward he knew the future, and how everything was going to play out. In other words⊠the game was rigged from the beginning
nigga got spoiled the whole season 4 when he kissed historia in season 3
@@aracuscesar eren most tragic aot fan confirmed
@@thiccmilkdaddy8072 huh
No it wasnt rigged, thats not how time works.
The future already happened. future, past and present events happened already. Since we live in the present were just waiting to see the future come and turn into the past. Eren future self had already made whtever choice he did. And present eren saw that. So at the end of the day eren is the start of it all.
@@mrkakarot2424 i mean, yes, but its not "how time works". anything related with time travel are just theories as wen cant know for sure
I love how MAPPA animated Eren's anger added with the sound of rumbling when Frieda proposed that only Eldians would have to die. Eren cannot accept this.
I know, right!? I was getting shivers the entire time Ooof Lovely scene, very well put together
Yes! Thank you! I thought I was the only one who noticed that when watching. It was an amazing effect to throw in there.
Can we just say I love how it was animated and stop bringing the studios up?
im glad you point this out cuz me too
@@marlonm.255 because they were brought up for hating purposes so it's fair when we appreciate them
No spoilers
The Attack Titan future thing goes like this:
- In these episode Grisha was seeing Erenâs POV, thatâs why the only times he âseesâ Zeke was when Eren was behind both of em.
- When Eren talked to Grisha, he saw himself from Erenâs eyes and heard him. Same thing when Grisha was saying to little Eren bout the basement
- When Eren kissed historiaâs hand he saw what Grisha saw, that this future Eren showed to him, thatâs why they had the same expression.
- This episode implies that Future Eren pretty much set everything up lol (obviously just with the hosts of the attack titan)
(Could be wrong tho, but this is the best I can do)
This episode was heat, man
holy shit
This show is complicated but I love it
I get visions and seeing things but how are they interacting physically (hugging, opening doors)?
@@wartortle577 Iâm sure they canât actually feel each other and I think the doors are metaphorical for going to the next memory
@@wartortle577 they're not. Pretty sure that's metaphorical.
9:52 Eren's face XD
Get this editor a medal!
was about to comment about that xD
I didn't even see that first go around cause I took a drink. I'm done â ïž
Ayo wtf tht was devilish wtf was tht nigga on
I love how much Lupa is trying to understand/empathize with Eren and the mental anguish he was going through after seeing the memories from kissing Historiaâs hand. Erenâs demeanor change didnât come out of nowhere. He seen some shit. Literally.
Dawg....I've always wondered why Eren's demeanor changed so damn drastically from the end of S3 to S4. Aside from the mental impact of the tragic losses of his comrades and humanity in general I've always felt that it had to have been something deeper.....to think that I finally got my answer today.....I don't even know what to think right now.
Idk, what Eren did. He was completely justified
@@dancingmadman2340 no it wasnât
@@dannyman808 and its crazy because you haven't even received the full answer yet!
it hits harder for us manga readers to see Eren's sad face and looking depressed after what he saw.
When Sasha died and eren asked what her last words were he started laughing manically because he realized nothing that he did could change the memories of the future he saw
Thats gonna be explained in a another flashback episode
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Eren also tried to see if fate can be changed, when he asked Mikasa: what am I to you? he knew Mikasa will say family, but he still tried to see if its inevitable
@@gretaliublinskaite1949 SPOILERS
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AND THEN MIKASA'S MONOLOGUE OF "if i answer differently to that question back then, would this still happened? OH MY GOD
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I know right??? even Mikasa was like: How important my answer was to him? What part did it played here..
good catch bro
No he didn't knew her death will happen
When Eren asked Connie what Sashaâs last words were and Connie replied âMeatâ
This was the sign that he was on the ârightâ path.. why he started laughing.. because he knows how much more death is to come..
Bs he was shocked he laughed at hannes death too ,as zeke mentioned eren cant see evrything so he didnt see sasha ded
@@diggedboy2333 no he was shocked he didnt have the memories back then in season 2 my guy/ he saw EVERYTHING and he laughed because not only was that her laugh words, it came exactly how it was shown.
@@jadencharles43 that doesnt make any sense unless its explained in manga,he also made frustrated face after jean talks to him ,and conny is naturally idiot so he might have perceived it as laughing
Eren: âI am the captain now.â
Zeke: đź
Grisha: đ
Isayama: đ€Ż
Isayama seeing Eren beside him while writing the manga:
Hol up
@@aivenysfel2531 Lolll
@@aivenysfel2531 and then Isayama traveled into OPM universe and ask Sonic to stop Eren
Lmfao not Isayama đđđ
@@Killhill93 that was a meme in manga fandom when this chapter came out lmao.
Literally people keep spouting funny shit like:
Eren: Okay, now write the scene with me banging historia!
Isayama: What?
Eren: WRITE IT!
This is not a spoiler btw.
8:44 âJust kiddingâ That was way funnier than it should have been
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO NOTICED WTF! The subtitles in some translations are wack lmao.
Edit: bruh it was the editor all along LMAO
@@skylerwhereisthemoney746 That was their editor xD
@@skylerwhereisthemoney746 It was the editor bruh
Haha i laugh so hard đđđit was so funny
@@mysticrouge3865 oh damn I feel stupid now lol
Eren was kind of broken even before his mom got eaten. Think back when he saved Mikasa. Killing those dudes made sense, but stabbing them over and over again was crazy. Plus he didn't flinch at all doing it.
Yeah he already kind of effed up in the head since he was young
he stalked em, tracked em, procured a knife, and repeatedly stabbed them with no remorse
@@thatrainbowquickie8395 Exactly. The opposite of remorse, really. He was proud and thought he was doing the world a favor
@@shbakaien25 I swear dude, the amount of people cheering kid Eren doing that is astonishing.
@Zyrex Its not about those criminals.
Its about a kid (Eren) not only murder people like he was killing animal, he even justify him murdering them with no remorse. That is not a healthy mind for a kid to have.
Every normal person in AOT astonished with this, as evidence during military court trial in S1.
That is why I was surprised with people cheering a kid to kill other people.
Kruger saying "Who's memories are those?" blows my mind even more now
Eren was watching Kruger and Grisha speak in the past while Grisha was sending a memory to Kruger of his last moments before injecting Eren while being haunted and confused by the memories Eren was sending to Grisha.
As a manga reader i was smiling while i watched this episode. The plot twist that eren was behind it the whole time was something no one expected
Spoiler alert for those who comment.
Bruh, I still canât believe that this scene here was only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to him being behind everything.
@@Edge-mv3jw spoiler:
I absolutely agree. This entire manga went from 100-1000, and it felt like one plot twist after the other
@@fayc_fayc2115 unfortunately the ending just didnât do justice for me. And I think that part of it is due to the fact that chapter 138 was peak AoT. Like, 138 was perfect, and I feel like 139 didnât capitalize on the emotion 138 brought in any way. Thatâs just one reason, but I think it plays a big part in why people feel the way they do.
@@Edge-mv3jw imo it got shitty at 131 lol
@@OhImSaucy no it was ah 10/10 story until the last chapter that shit is ah 6 now just because of one chapter
Interesting fact: the scene at 6:25 is 1:1 with Episode 1 save for a few shots since the animation team had access to WIT's previous materials like backgrounds. They redrew the character designs to fit the current art style, but their movement is almost perfectly the same.
Yea, I've seen that scene hundreds of times damn near the same
I think the part where Eren said he lost all hope in his dad was true, he was truly disappointed in his Dad when he didn't kill the royal family on his own
@@theflame567 he couldn't do the rumbling. He can't use that power
@@user-yx8lp2ds7z he maybe could have after eating them and rod was still alive at that point to so he couldâve got him and did it
@@kenneth9338 you're really big brain because I never though about that. Grisha could've done the rumbling. I need that Fanfic
@@kenneth9338 yes but the conditions are. To come in contact with a titan of Royal blood. Not just a person of Royal blood
@@user-yx8lp2ds7z oh ok my bad
Grisha wasnât actually looking at them, he was basically looking at nothing during that time, he just saw himself through Erens memories and can see from his POV. For Example, when Eren convinced Grisha to kill the Royal Family, Eren wasnât actually there when it happened, Grisha saw from Erens POV of Eren convincing him to do it. And when Grisha hugged Zeke, he didnât actually hug him, he just hugged the Air. He just saw Zeke from Erens POV since he was standing behind them. So Grisha was seeing himself from a 3rd person view because he was seeing from Erens POV
no shit?
Grisha did see some old bearded man (zeke) for a split second in his office in his own perspective. Even if it was from Erenâs Pov the brain actually does most of the seeing 90% of what you see is just good illusions if what you see for real is left untampered with by the brain everything would already be upside down and severely messed up. The parasite titan path or whatever could translate Eren pov even more for the body to see in first pov and even feel a tuch from a hug. The parasite already has proven it can by connecting the titan shifter body to their titan senses very well.
No man that's not the case he actually saw Zeke and eren
@@starplatinum9726 how that doesnât make sense. They were never there tho
Bro it's the attack titan it's not normal illusions his seeing the attack titan is literally letting him seeing everything
Eren- "Ight, I'm no longer brainwashed"
Zeke-"Nah fam, no need to rush. I got more footage"
Sike, Eren's the one that did the brainwashing
So the interesting thing is that Grisha HATES Marley. He hates Marley with every fiber of his being. So imagine the horror of what Grisha saw when even he turns to Zeke and says Marley doesn't deserve what Eren is going to do to them
So, is Eren going to erase Marley in the map?
@@Angglio oh boy
@@uraniumcheese5352 or 100% or something else since an alternate ending is likely.
So you gone post this same comment on every video?
Not just Marley but the rest of the world
You guys are one of the few CZcamsrs who caught the fact that Eren in season 3 saw the future him and Grisha situation and thatâs why he was different in the end of Season 3. Absolutely Amazing đ€©
I love that and I was hoping ppl would notice!
ikr i
This is a series that is gonna mess some people up on a rewatch. Cause they're gonna see that scene of Eren kissing Historia's hand and thats gonna be the moment they're like IT ALL HAPPENED HERE?
@@darknesswave100 so true
As an English/Literature major, this anime has the best storyline of perspective if you understand what's going on. Everyone is a hero in their own story.
In episode 1, at the house scene where Grisha showed Eren the key to the basement; his face wasn't shown in that frame.
But here, his face is shown to be staring directly at Eren in terror.
Coincidence, I think not.
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Bruhhh I remember thinking that yeah we never did see his face in that scene
Same in the manga. Mind blowing that Isayama planned all this from the start
@@keshamarie6148 it happened in chapter 1 of the manga as well. isayama was ahead of everyone with this.
For Clarification:
When Eren kissed Historia's hand he saw the entirety of Grisha's interaction with the Reiss family. This includes seeing his future self from Grisha's perspective.
Future Eren also gave Grisha memories of his own future. So Eren also saw his own future, from Grisha's memories, the rumbling. Him seeing the future is what set him on the path of starting the rumbling.
Also Eren's reasoning for why he's doing what he's doing has already been answered in this episode. As he said, "he's always been himself since he was born". Unlike Zeke, Eren is meant to reflect being inherently a certain way, and not molded by his environment.
As you guys noticed, that's why Eren was different after the kiss with Historia.
I'm trying to keep it vague, cuz I don't want to spoil anything.
Exactly he even says if someone tries to steal my freedom Iâll steal thereâs first
@@jonathank786 which is funny how eren claims to be free but he is just following a path
That's incorrect partly, Eren didn't see himself from Grisha's memories because Grisha wasn't seeing Eren. Eren saw the church scene play out without him or Zeke through Grisha AND saw it play out through his perspective (with him manipulating Grisha). Grisha didn't see Eren, he heard Eren through the memory of Eren visiting his memories, through Eren's pov
@@joaoassumpcao3347 No, Eren saw Grishaâs pov when he kissed historiaâs hand. Itâs not possible to see your own future memories with the attack Titan, only the memories of future shifters. When Eren sees the future it is because he is seeing Grishaâs past memories of future Eren. Itâs confusing I know.
@@joaoassumpcao3347 Grisha doesnât see Eren directly, but he does see Erenâs future memories with the attack titans power, which is how Eren is able to communicate with him.
Love that Lupa pointed out if young Eren is to blame for any of this. Because ever since they let this whole time loop thing happening, the entire existence of "free will" is being brought to a question.
Is it a time loop?
I understood it as the attack titans power makes the future directly affects the padt and the past directly affect the future.
But its not like anything is looping. There is 1 timeline. And that 1 timeline was always going to happen this way.
@@mattimeikalainen6963 it's a loop, just a fixed one. Young eren was born to be angry af, and he was meant to be attack titan, who is forced to come here at this point with zeke and then iteratively lock himself into this cycle, after what he did with Grisha at this scene, that just never had any other outcome in the first place.
@@mattimeikalainen6963 people mix up what a time loop and a causal loop are; in the case of a single timeline, this is a causal loop. The effects of certain events happen before their causes, which fixes them permanently into possibility. E.g. Rod Reiss survived the royal family massacre, interacted with Eren, and now years later, Eren makes sure that his father in the past leaves Rod alive.
The real twist is everyone and everything in the series is playing a game of chess and taking turns controlling the board and meanwhile Eren is just watching a recording of the game and is fast forwarding and reversing the footage to points that work for him and his agenda
Zeke finally giving in and crying was pretty heartwarming. But yeah, everything in this episode is just mind blowing
12:37 I actually really love Sheera's analysis here but I think I'd make a slight change to it for my interpretation. I think rather than the Attack Titan being doomed to rebel against Fate, it's actually just a slave to fate and the future in the same way the Founding Titan is a slave to the 145 king's will and the past. Eren Kruger does what he does because he sees memories of Armin and Mikasa, Grisha does what he does because he sees the memories that Eren shows him and pushes him to murder Frieda, and Eren does what he does because he sees himself in the future manipulating Grisha. All the attack titan users simply carry out the actions because they see what they think is an inevitable future. I think this best vocalized several times by Eren saying something along the lines of "I always keep moving forward, until all my enemies are destroy." And I think that's the real reason why the Founding Titan and the Attack Titan are always on opposites sides of a conflict: the Founding Titan is a slave to the past while the Attack Titan is a slave to the future
at the end of the day, nobody was ever free. neither the attack titan nor the founding was ever free. their history was that ancient spine worm's plaything and play everyone for its own sandbox world/history.
That's why Eren is a paradox. He is constantly about freedom and enacting his free will, but every single action in his life was dictated by the future version of himself. So he had no free will
@@kieranroche597 YEP. agreed.
The last 2 episodes in a nutshell:
Eren: You wonât control the founder
Zeke: No you
Eren: No you
Copy and paste huh
@@bruhbruh6003 đ
Eren again: No you
This is why I started the rumbling
>:))))))
@@bruhbruh6003 Bruh, people just want to share jokes that made them laugh man.
The girl sitting to the left actually predicted this in the episode where Eren Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin. She said it for a second and quickly forgot about it. As a manga reader watching the reaction I was like âWow, thatâs a good predictionâ
The Sheeragan strikes again!
@@bunsbuns9072 i mean evn a broken clock is right twice a day. She has some wild predictions but I can say about 90% of them are wrong.
I mean, lot of people understood the futur memories when this chapter came out
@@Buckheimer 90% are wrong? Then you haven't watched the channel, she's got very accurate predictions, even Rishi and lupa are mostly wrong when she's right
@@TimothyGod I agree, she's very intelligent
When Zeke says heâll âfixâ Eren he just saying in general no deep meaning behind it because Zeke believes Eren is brainwashed by there father . So âfixingâ him is curing him from that . Hence showing him all the memories
9:52 WHOEVER EDITS THESE ACTUALLY HAD ME CRYING LAUGHING HERE WHO DECIDED TO DO THAT TO MY BOYâS FACE
The editor is a god tier comedian
Yelena vs yega
Whats even crazier is that the next episode is called, âfrom you, 2000 years in the pastâ when the first episode was called, âto you, 2000 years in the futureâ
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That's not crazy at all .. especially compared to everything else in this series
@@intothefrayyo nah itâs def pretty wild it means that this next moment has been foreshadowed for a decade
@@uraniumcheese5352 yes thank u
@@Endisfree_ yeah, sure.
Lots to unpack here.
1. All these memories flooded Eren's mind when he first touched Historia's hand
2. The Attack Titan can see and also plant memories of its other holders. (Eren could see Kruger in the past, plants the memory of Mikasa and Armin for example)
3. Everything. Literally everything has been a 'separate timeline' since the moment the 9 Titans were formed. Since the 1st Attack Titan time has been a flat construct.
4. Zeke isn't 'there' when Grisha hugs him, but Eren plants the memory that Zeke is there. Zeke never experience this and it never happened but the memory is still just as real to Grisha.
It took me a while to piece it together properly.
Go rewatch when Eren kisses Historia's hand. Now watch the dominos fall.
I've watched literally thousands of movies, hundreds of other series and anime, and I can say with certainty, the AOT plots are among the best plots in the history of entertainment.
Exactly. It's a masterpiece. And isayama is a fckn genius.
Shrek 2 did it better
exactly man truly modern epic
@@buddlos good thing it isn't garbage lmao
@@Alex-bH1 it is garbage.
Fun fact: One of the animation directors for this episode (Masaru Kitao) used work on Death Note. Itâs most evident in the exaggerated facial expressions as well as Grishaâs character movements during his breakdown
no wonder it made me remember when Light as getting shot and he was moving all crazy
I can believe it if it's true. Some stuff definitely reminded me of Death Note.
Omg i knew it. The break down and brainwashing was so deathnote.
I was thinking that the movement/direction here was different than usual, but couldn't remember where I'd seen a similar style before. Now I know.
I LOVE THAT!!!!
Another thing that people miss is that All Attack titan users can't see the future- they can only see the memories that are shared with them. That is how eren is able to manipulate even Kruger by letting him know about Armin and Mikasa and his dad into doing those things. Eren only shares enough memory of certain things to influence them to do what eren wants. And what he wants is his and his peoples freedom. He's only considered a "vilian" because people don't grasp that he's willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish that.
Grisha's breakdown, Eren's chilling voice.. dang, the AoT VAs are really giving it their all! Such a great casts!
I got shivers up my spine when the moment came where Eren kept getting angrier and angrier, you could hear a 'Rumbling' in the background. Also, as a non-manga reader, Grisha saying 'Please, stop Eren', everyone I've watched react to this thinks its him speaking to Zeke, making a request of his eldest son to stop the younger, but I think the opposite, I think Grisha is begging Eren to stop now and not do whatever he's about to do, that Grisha has already seen and knows is 100% going to happen. But before that, the fact Zeke brought up Eren saying he was disgusted with their father in that moment of killing the Reiss family, but I haven't seen anyone I've reacted to realize, Eren didn't lie, he was disgusted by Grisha in that moment... not because he killed the children, but instead because he faltered and hesitated to kill them.
and the fact that if Zeke didn't want to "fix" his brother and just started his plan, all that would not happen. like Zeke who sent Eren to Grisha's memories to manipulate him to kill the family.
In Japanese, Grisha says "Eren wo tomete kure" which means he is requesting for Zeke to stop Eren. This isn't a case of a misplaced comma.
that what I got from it. he was telling Eren to stop.
My reasoning for Grisha telling zeke to stop eren is because Grisha didnt know carla got eaten during the breach of the walls because eren didnt show Grisha all the memories of what happened during that time Grisha doesnt find out till later what happened to her and then proceeds to give past eren the founder and attack titan and saying avenge your mother because at this point he doesnt care anymore
Nah he's talking to Zeke. Just based on grammar, if he was talking to Eren he would say Eren, please stop, or Please stop, Eren. But he said Please, Stop Eren.
this episode left me speechless đ never in the amount of years Iâve been watching anime I would expect Attack on Titan to take this route in its storytelling like Iâm completely mind blown. It just might skyrocket into my top 10 fave anime.
It wasnât in your top 10 before? đ©đ©đ©
It wasnât in your top 10 before,lol. Whatâre doing bro?đ
Let me guess the top one is naruto lel
I was the same, the ending took it for me from the top 10 to irrelevance :(
@@-CyberFrame everyone said you will be let down with the ending and few say otherwise , and I'm very happy for the mix review. It's just like fight between mappa style and wit the louder is mappa but deep inside we know who the king.
So in order to avoid any confusion regarding the time travel mechanics, I will break down what type of Time travel we're dealing with here.
AOT operates by a particular type of time travel where it's almost impossible to change the past even if you somehow go back in time. And any change that you tried to cause was always meant to happen in the overall timeline. Here time is a fixed circle, not a stream. We may see Eren meddle in the past but that was always meant to happen.
The Attack Titan's ability is to receive the memories of its future inheritors. This was hinted when Kruger mentioned Mikasa and Armin towards the end of S3. Keep in mind, they can only view these memories but can't interact with them. So how was Eren able to meddle in the past?
Well, he had 3 perfect conditions:
1. â â He had the ability of the Attack Titan
2. â â The ability of the Founding Titan
3. â â He was also in contact with someone with royal blood AKA Zeke.
After Zeke tapped Eren's head, they were able to view Grisha's past memories with Eren using the power of the coordinate. They were freely able to view the past as if it were through a one way mirror.
Now if Eren had any other Titan other than the Attack Titan, he would only be able to look. But since Attack Titan can see forward in time, Grisha can use this to see Eren's recollection of the same event that he's currently experiencing in real time.
So this mean that whenever Grisha can see or hear Eren, he's actually recieving a brief future memory from Eren's POV where he can see out of his eyes and hear his words. That means he is seeing himself from a 3rd perspective. Then if he responds, his response is simply part of the memory that Eren/Zeke are viewing, allowing for a two way communication through time.
Also Note that everytime, Grisha sees Zeke, Eren is always standing behind his dad. So whenever Grisha sees Zeke, it is from actually due to the memories from Eren's POV
Another thing to add:
Eren did NOT see everything in the future. Eren only saw CRUCIAL moments in the future, for example, he saw Pieck pointing a gun at him when he kissed Historiaâs hand 4 years ago, this is why he was so calm when she threatened to shoot him, because Eren KNEW she wouldnât shoot him. However, Eren DIDNâT know that Porco was going to try to eat him just a couple of minutes later. Even Eren doesnât know EVERYTHING that will happen
Also, this isnât my comment, I did not make this, *ALL CREDIT GOES TO u/Skyclad_Observer*
Not almost impossible, it's completely impossible to change past events in that timeline. There is a theory about Eren having the power to move across timelines, not a titan power but just his for some reason. Which is why he dreamed future events before he ever got the attack titan.
Just to help myself understand it, it's the same time travel concept as in Harry Potter
Gotta remember Eren chose what to send so itâs not random he working toward a plan sending memories that need to be seen by grisha, cruger in order for it to go how he wants it too the Momo rise Eren saw with historia where his dads memories him himself he canât send them to himself meaning he could sent grisha memories so he could see them with historia through Eren
Memories *
Can someone tell me if this is the spoiler? We so close to the end and I don't want to catch any spoilers
The way they captured the madness grisha was going through during and after the slaughter of the royal family , is just so brilliantly done by mappa . kudos to them , couldnt be happier as a manga reader
Grisha: "Zeke, stop Eren"
Also Grisha: **Proceeds to give Founding Titan to younger Eren**
cause he din't see carla's death in eren's memories at that moment ..So after he knew wht happened to her the day the colossal titan destroyed the wall,he felt that hatred again towards marley (for killing Carla too) so he proceeds to give Founding Titan to younger Eren.
Past cant be changed
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But I don't get why he couldn't see Carla's death at this moment if he could see Eren's memories when he was grown up, can you explain please?
@@AtreusWolf Cuz Eren could hand pick what memories of his Grisha could see, so Eren specifically didn't show Grisha what happened to Carla
@@wilhelm2411 ohh got it, thanks
Grishaâs VA came back for one episode and stole the whole show. Especially at the end when he was apologizing to Zeke for being a horrible a father, I really felt that.
When parents say "You can be whatever you want when you grow up"... I guess Eren took that literally. He's the protagonist, he's the antagonist, he's the writer, he's everything lmao
6:57 This shot of Grisha looking at adult Eren is amazing. I went back to see episode 1 to see where Grisha was looking when he talked to kid Eren about the key during this exact time. It didn't show his eyes in episode 1 (only the key in his hands) but the direction Grisha was looking in that episode while telling kid Eren about the key, it was a 100% clear what he was really looking at. This is some INSANE story writing right here and to think Eren was the one who was responsible for causing the start of this whole story from the very begining of episode 1 makes my my mind completely blown.
Also give Grisha's VA (Hiroshi Tsuchida) some kind of an award because MAN he really sold me the emotions behind the character of Grisha. The VA clearly put immense passion and dedication voice acting Grisha and it really shows in this episode!
If you go back to chapter 1 it showes that not the anime but the manga
In the manga it straight up shows Grisha was looking in a different direction
@@expecttheone6825 Yeah the anime shows Grisha looking at kid Eren when he was showing the key. It's only for a second but guess Wit Studio made a mistake here. But yeah in the manga, Grisha was certainly looking somewhere else, not at kid Eren.
And YES I know Grisha wasn't seeing adult Eren directly bit instead swing things from Eren's POV.
Sheera is too OP for animes like this đ She's so damn sharp. I've read through the manga to the end and I was confused for months until the final chapter was released. But here she just catches on so quick for just that short glimpse of an episode/memories đ€§
Cant wait for the upcoming episodes đ
But this was simple to understand, if the person doesn't understand instantly, thinking until the end of the episode will understand, at least I think.
@@powpowsupremacy1319 I guess for some people it is. But at the time, the manga release the chapters per month so it's confusing to me.
Eren was the child grisha wanted in Marley while zeke was the child he wanted in paradis.
Storyline is absolutely AMAZING
Episode written by:- Eren Jaeger
Producer:- Eren Jaeger
Main Cast:- Eren Jaeger
Supporting Cast:- Eren Jaeger
Director:- Eren Jaeger
Executive Producer:- Ymir Fritz
Good one âđđ
Inspiration : Eren Yeager
9:52 Eren's cheeky smile makes Zeke's expression 100x better, what a sneaky edit
I thought I was hallucinating so I played it back đđđ
@@mniane7 same I was like wtfđ
This is the part where you go back to Episode 1 of Season 1 and you can literally see long haired Eren in the background of a few shots. shits insane
I was waiting for this episode! Easily one of the best plot twists in animeđ€ mappa never fails to impress me they animated this so well.
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By "fixing him" Zeke meant that he would free Eren of his father's brainwashing
And in this episode Grisha isn't actually seeing Eren, he's seeing himself through Eren's eyes because he's seeing Eren's memories of the future.
And also Eren can't see all of the future, he can only see what he showed his father to manipulate him.
that right, because Eren is the last Attack Titan.
Then why can he see and touch Zeke?
@@liamjm9278 you notice how anytime Grisha could see Zeke in the episode, Eren happened to be standing behind both of them, at the table where Grisha apologizes and after he leaves his titan? It's not a coincidence, he couldn't directly see Zeke with his own eyes, but if Eren had Zeke in view, then he could know where Zeke was through Eren's eyes, basically how you would interact with someone in a 3rd person game. I'm not sure, but I think him being able to 'touch' Zeke was an artistic choice, rather than what physically happened, maybe someone can correct me.
@@riot2136 I see.
I hope Roshi sees this
GOD TIER EDITOR strikes again
"Just Kidding"
"Eren creep smile"
Hot damn you guys are a fantastic group - every single time xD
I caught that troll face too đđ
I thought something was up with my eyes hahahah
I had to do a rewind at the just kidding. Killed me đ
The way how Eren went from being a hero to a full blown villain is insane. The storytelling in AOT is next level
He was never a hero, neither than he is a villain now. He's just a dude that fight for his people survival.
Eren is above all these labels.
@@uchiwamadara4614 That's an objective way to look at it and I like how the show blurs those lines. But watching Eren become more and more destructive because of his hatred places him more into villain territory for me.
Nah hes a villain, anyone saying otherwise is pure cope
@@uchiwamadara4614 nah fighting for your people doesnât justify genocide. Erenâs notices are understandable and heâs the protagonist, but heâs very much a villain
To people wondering how Eren made contact with Grisha:
- Grisha basically saw FUTURE Eren's memories (which is the Eren we will see later on in the series) through CURRENT Eren's eyes (which is the Eren in this episode watching Grisha's memories)
- Basically Grisha saw himself through CURRENT Eren's POV/Eyes that's why he could tell Zeke was there because Eren could see Zeke. And that's why he knows Eren is there because he is watching himself through Eren's eyes.
- To make it simpler: Grisha - Future Eren's Memories (through Current Eren's eyes) - and then back to Grisha
Eren kissing historia's hand:
- Eren basically saw FUTURE Eren's plan through Grisha's Memories. Basically Grisha saw FUTURE Eren's plan and since CURRENT Eren can access Grisha's memories of seeing the FUTURE Eren's plan, then he could basically see the future.
- To make it simpler: Grisha saw FUTURE Eren's Memories - CURRENT/PAST (When he kissed Historia) saw Grisha seeing FUTURE Eren's Memories.
got it that last part answered my question. im a manga reader but i was confused on how eren could see the future if you can only see the successors memories and since (MANGA SPOILERS FOR ANYONE READING) eren is the last attack titan, i was kinda lost on how he could see the future. but you cleared that up for me so thank you. basically grisha saw future erens memories and then eren saw grishas memories and by extension, saw his own memories of the future. thank you for that i couldnt find anyone who could explain that to me
Ye..Yeah i totally understand đ
I always thought that Eren, [manga spoilers], after getting full access to the founding titanâs abilities, was able to see/go through all the paths (past, present, and future), and laid the seeds for how the future he wanted (that could save as many of his friends) to play out?đ€ He told Mikasa out of every future that couldâve been, only the current one (the mangaâs ending) was the best one for everyone (it seemed f*d up now, but it would probably benefit in the long run).
Like the scene from Infinity War, where Dr. Strange used the time stone to see every possible outcome of facing Thanos, and only oneâïž was successful in defeating him (and saving the universe), but there had to be sacrifices.
Whenever Eren said I shouldn't have been born, now everyone understands his words!
The voice acting is has been crazy good so far, and todays episode just further proves that. It completely elevates the manga to another level with how much effort the VAs put into their work here. They really embody their characters, big props to them so far.
One of the best plot twists in this show and the Manga.
Bruh, this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Of any show
@@Edge-mv3jw not really
I mean we have been drip fed this outcome all through the show little hints here and there that all add up once you get to this point. To be fair the whole Owl scene really told you the gist
@@grunt9950 Iâm talking about the one thatâs revealed in the end that destroyed everything that made Eren himself.
Oh man, Grisha's VA when he's screaming, "Are you happy now Eren? Is this what you wanted? Will Eldia really be saved with this?"
I could feel the pain in my bones
9:53 I was still shocked by this episode, then this scene came I couldn't hold back my laughter
XD
The first episode of the series is titled âto you 2000 years in the futureâ
The next episode is titled âfrom you 2000 years agoâ
Explanation: Eren is able to see both the future and the past. He sends memories from the future to Kruger telling him to tell Grisha to protect armin and mikasa. And he sends his memories back to his dad forcing him to kill the family. He only sends the memories at a steady pace though, he makes it seem like if he kills the Reiss family it will protect Eldia.
Eren really pulled the "You outsmart me, but I outsmarted your outsmarting" đ€Łđ€Ł
It's important to note that Grisha never saw Eren in the memories. He saw Eren's memories, meaning its in Eren's perspective. So Grisha basically see himself in third person pov. That is why Eren is positioned behind Grisha so he can see Zeke which is in front of them.
9:52 that Eren's smile was unexpected đ
Eren whispered in Isayama's ear and told him to write this story
On a serious note, it's really scary how Grisha, someone who was so anti-Marley and pro-Eldia, saw one glimpse of Eren's plan and was like, "Zeke. You have to stop him." Despite Grisha's hate for Marley and how far he was willing to go, even HE thought his plan was too far. He was genuinely horrified. Whatever Eren's plan is, Grisha does not want it to happen.
Speaking of, Zeke and Grisha finally getting to work out their issues and hug each other in a moment of pure love is really heartwarming. Grisha understood his mistakes when raising Zeke before. Instead of only treating him as a tool, he treats him as his son. Zeke is finally able to take his first step towards closure after years of trauma. Even if they had their differences, Grisha and Zeke can at least agree with one thing: Stopping Eren..
Great comment!
Grishas changes his mind again tho. Something happens the night Eren eats grisha but we never find out and I think from there thats when Eren shows Grisha about Carla, probably grisha has another change of heart then gives Eren the attack titan
That boy Zeke was watching the shit unfold like a telenovela đ
Stares in Spanish memes come to mind đ
I knew this episode will break the internet cause it's so fking good, Isayama is an absolute genius, and mappa's adaptation was on point.
Really happy to see everyone's reaction and Anime only's perspective.
this episode was really good, to all of the people that arent manga readers the scene where eren kisses historia's hand was what changed everything & thats why at the last scene we get to see eren in the past with a really mad look on his face representing that since that moment he's been able to pull the strings behind the scene. Anyways they did a really great job this episode!!
That scene on the first episode where kid Eren was actually having flashes of future events (up until season 4) while he was taking a nap under the tree now makes some sense...
Damn so this was happening ever since the first episode !!!!
As a manga reader, sheraâs thoughts at the end really made me see things so much clearer
Man, that was a good plot twist and Grishas Voice Actor was great this episode.
Seeing the manga brought to life actually gave chills! Grisha's VA did such a wonderful job!!!!!!
What's also really cool is, in the manga this whole dialogue/backflash ends with Eren kissing historias hand, so the moment he first touched Royalty, he got all of this information which is why he froze and looked so incredibly shocked after kissing Historias hand. They show a glimpse of that moment in this episode too but it's very hard to see.
The ultimate irony being that Eren despite all his proclaiming for freedom, considering the nature of the attacking titans powers hes a slave to his own memories. Tragic irony.
Not really
Can yall stop saying this same comment. Its shown from the beginning that Eren is the way he is from his birth. And you cant be a slave to your own mindset and principles. So saying he's a slave to his titan's will when their mindsets just happened to be the same is wrong
Damn even in the first scene of baby Eren he was still moving forward
Grisha changed his tune when he found out that Carla got eaten and that reawakened his hate for Marley which is why he went through with giving the Titan to Eren. Thats why Future Eren didnt show him everything. Thats why Eren told Zeke "we havent seen when i eat dad"
I like how Sheera pointed out the parallels yet also the similarity between the founding and attack titan with them both being locked on a path but since Eren has both he has the power to change everything and even more so because he was thrown into it all like Lupa was mentioning
This is why I am getting to love the intro more and more. I am not a heavy metal guy, but it fits. The rage, the lyrics. Eren is becoming a villain but he is not a villain, he is not evil. The lyrics " All I have ever wanted was do good things, I never wanted to be the king, I swear. / All I ever wanted is save your life, I never wanted to grab the knife, I swear!!! "
I never read the manga but personally, I feel like everything derailed and Eren finally settled on his path in that very moment he kissed Historia's hand and his contact with the royal blood prolly flooded his memories. And from there and to the point of the final season, there was a lot of time for him to figure everything out for himself. The image of his kiss on Historia's hand even flashed somewhere in this episode.
This series never ceases to exceed my expectations
The timeline of Attack on Titan can be explained with just one word: Determinism. The concept is that future events are determined by previously existing causes and cannot be changed. This means that Eren was never really free, even tho he's pursuit of freedom was the cause of all these events.
Everyones a slave to something
I don't know what is wrong with people when it comes to freedom. (partly Spoiler)..
I think that was the whole point of AoT, to break all the cycle by freeing Ymir and to free Eldia. The cost is whatever it takes, even it means Eren turned into a heartless monster or killing himself on the process just to fulfill his mission.
Just loke armin said eren is a slave to freedom and eren got pissed at him cuz he was right đđ
I disagree that determinism means lack of free will/freedom. The fact that the future is set in stone, just like that past, doesn't implicate lack of choice, it implicates that choices matter and can't be changed. The problem is that knowing your future is kinda like knowing your past, the difference being you already lived your past, and already chose and understood your choices. In the future you still will choose, you only haven't done it yet and don't understand it. You can't change it, just like you can't change the past, but being able to change your choices is different from making them. If you could change your choices, it wouldn't be determined/determinism, nor would they matter or have meaning. The oracle in The Matrix kinda tries to explain something like that to Neo. I don't know the spoilers from AoT, since I'm anime only and maybe the author disagrees with what I just said and went somewhere different, but as it is now on the anime, I wouldn't agree that Eren isn't free, he just can't change his future choices. But he still chose them.
You are wrong isayama ruined the story with 139