They Couldn’t Get Any Worse If They Tried!
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- čas přidán 3. 10. 2023
- This was supposed to be a simple motor swap, but it wasn’t! #hvacguy #hvaclife #hvac #airconditioner #heatpump #hvactechnician #hvacinstall #furnace #hvactrainingvideos #hvactroubleshooting #broadoceanmotors #ecm #ecmmotors @GoodmanMfgTV
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At least when you installed the 2nd motor you were moving extra fast. 😂
Looks like there’s no more quality control. Great job. 👍👍👍
As a retired electrician when check your power at the plug good habit is to check on the motor side of the plug. Just saying.
Had a compressor bad out of the box once. Many choice words were said after installing it and finding that out. Windings were fine, but it was bound up inside. Three phase so I even rocked it backwards briefly and no luck. Used a crane to get it on the roof and everything.
Dang, and your estimate sure as hell don’t include doing it twice.
@@HVACGUY Certainly not. Definitely had to do some negotiating with the manufacturer. Still ate a lot of the labor cost....
For awhile in the 1990's Copeland was having all kinds of problems with the compressors. We go to the point where we'd OHM them on the dock before ever signing for them, in the box still and we'd make the warehouse guys take them out lol.
Glad the second one worked. If it was me, I would have taken the second one out of the box and straight in the house and just plugged it into the connectors to see if it was good before going through the work again to install it. Hopefully this doesn't keep happening to you with new motors of that brand. And nice to see your doggie at the end 😊
So now you have to test the motor before installing it I love the progress 😂
Those motors, yes before you leave the supply place.
Got to buy two to get one .
Curtis sounds and looks like it is time for you to buy a purchase a heat gun or hairdryer to keep on your truck so you can quickly defrost all that ice from the blower motor not working.
Now your certainly an expert on those motors 👍
Nice work Curtis. Quality control just doesn't exist anymore I guess.
Exactly!! They slap shit together with spit and chewed gum and don't care.
Lucky you had 2 motors
Good man does not make a motor . Have a great day.
take the module out the new motor,we won"t look.thanks for sharing
Curtis hinspect notice white main molex plug doesn’t look like good connection
Keep watching, when I try it again, it is.
@@HVACGUY. Curtis I see you checking the one side of the plug but not the other side of it ( load side. Not to disagree with you sir. You were there not be
Well. I remember back in the 80’s that new parts would be defunct. Happens. Transistors, capacitors, and on and on. Bound to happen once in a while. Just a pain in the derrière. Thanks fir sharing about the Milwaukee light. Appreciate it!.
You can use a service valve wrench on the squirrel cage square bolt head
The last part I had bad outta the box was a gas valve for an old rheem. I feel your pain
No surprise there ! The ECM module thermistor failed like they always do...a $2 part soldered onto the ECM board. Try the Evergreen or US Motors brand.
Was a warranty job, otherwise I would’ve.
@@HVACGUYOh yes, I neglected that. Evergreen are self learning on rotation and come with an adapter cable for "communicating" b.s. Also, they are made by the new Gentec but all redesigned I think.
The more I watch your channel the more I know I never want a Goodman
Geo thermal all the way
Not a Goodman issue...the motor manufacturer
Motors aren't made by equipment manufacturers. Mechanical equipment breaks regardless of the brand, if not there would be no video to watch. You see Goodman alot because they are probably the biggest manufacturer there is in terms of units per badge brand. Carrier might be the biggest but they make more brand names than any other manufacturer. The brand game is merely to dupe those that don't know better. All of us who have run HVAC service have gotten a bad motor out of the box before. This isn't some *new* thing. Goodman brands are Amana, Daikin, Goodman & GMC but they haven't been making GMC since the pandemic. Of course you can always drink koolaid of other brands, they'll be happy to baptize you in tomfoolery.
It happens. I happen to like Goodman easy to install and easy to service for me
Goodman don't break down near as much as carrier units do. And carrier parts are hella expensive.
Luckily you had another x13 good work I enjoy your videos I’ve been in the field for 17 years now and I still enjoy watching you. Good stuff
That’s the struggle we face every day bad a HVAC service tech.. YOU GOT TO LOVE IT
I'm a retired handyman, my biggest fear was getting a defective part. The big problem was I had to eat the labor to replace the new defective part.
I hate to make a sour comment but if you play back the video, that first motor wasn't plugged in all the way (16:07) on the large white connector. The side with the white wire especially. I played it back a couple of times and it looked crooked or maybe it's my Brain!😂
Thanks for the Video 👍
hinspect. I see it too. Very good catch😊
Yes me2, that’s the communicating side, which will cut in and out if not in properly
Actually if you’ll play for just a sec you’ll see I caught that and the second try it was firmly plugged in.
Curtis you should have just removed the endbell of the bad motor and threw on the new one. Motor was fine just the electronics were bad......saves time.
Never seen a goofy handler location/installation as that....but bad out of the box, that seems to be pretty common now that any idiot can get a job and quality control doesn't exist!
She’s a frosty one mama!
Curtis, you're gonna stick them for the extra time That it took to do it twice, right?
Curtis keeping it real!
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hi Riley
Good evening Curtis
Good evening
Learning a lot from your videos...much appreciated 😎
Studmount Airhandlers and pancake units are terrible! Never understood why they are even in existence. If you have room for a stud mount you have room for an normal air handler.
This is by far the smoothest blower wheel assembly removals on this type of unit that I've ever seen. Both times.
Thought for a sec the 2nd motor was going to turn out bad as well! Happy to see it start!
At my workplace, we had a Gibson furnace combustion air blower's bearings go bad, repair guy replaced it with a new one and it immediately sounded like the rotor or fan was scraping big time, so he sent it back to the distributor, got a 2nd one- SAME problem! so he sent that back and went to another distributor and that one worked, so it took THREE tries to get one brand new fan that worked
Who ever designed that motor should be fired. In all my years of HVAC work I've never seen such a sorry motor. I've seen them bad right out of the box. If it was mine I'd put a regular blower motor on.
Its the ECM or board that goes out, one cheap part, a thermistor. The mechanical part or the motor is always just fine. Just like any other motor that decides to quit, its not the motor, its the cheap ass bearings they use.
It was a warranty job
Yeah! what ever happened to just a regular PLAIN electric motor that just has the case, stator and rotor without all the electronic crap in the end cap?? the less crap in there the better, I'd take that junk motor out and look into replacing it with an ordinary single speed motor
@@HobbyOrganistThe stupid folks in high political places simply do not accept the facts about electric motors as they are today. That is they are about 60% efficient meaning 40% of the power used is wasted. So, they force industry to use technology that is not reliable nor good for long service and very expensive, in many cases 10 times the cost of a PSC motor. Add to all of this that most things are made in PRC or China so the quality is limited.
I could feel your pain.
That was very unfortunate Curtis, a faulty new motor, these things do happen eventually 🤔 Au
Unreal!
good old quality control
quality is job #4 !!!!
I'm old enough to remember when you could go to the store and buy something and just expect it to work because it's new. Of course, everything wasn't made by chinese slave labor back then.
I remember buying the Janitrol front breather, which was this same unit back in the 90s for about $225. I would install them and never have to go back other than possibly a backed up drain. It is so sad what has happened to quality. I would say that half of our service calls are to units under manufactures warranty.
In my line of work we use RF amplifiers and there was a time we were getting brand new models with screws missing/flopping around in them, bad signal, I have had that same frusteration.
It's not Goodman I have had the same problem with Trane, Lennox and Rheem AHU with this type of motor and the motors had different manufacturers maybe there all made by the same factory in another country ? All because the government wants us to be more Green and putting more regulations on the HVAC & R Industrie
Exactly what does bad quality control and everything made in China have to do with being more energy efficient and regulations?
@@maxwellsmart3156 You must not be in the field every day.And none of this new equipment are energy efficient (just junk) that is just what the government and manufacturer's wants you to Believe it's a money maker for then both the power to run them comes from somewhere ?? And quality Control that is a joke what quality Control even better for China, if China is making them more money for them more trouble for us and higher cost to replace and or repair. Come out on a high efficiency equipment repair job sometime we are not going green just the manufacturer and the government there making more green i mean money' but you are fee to believe anything you want just walk in my shoes and see how much it cost the people that can not afford the price of the quality Control problems as you say, have a great weekend
PSC all the way .
I literally have to replace that same motor tomorrow
Looks like your local parts supplier is selling a lot of motors that come from a place with substandard 'Quality Control'.
Okay if you want a personal opinion I don't know if you noticed this but when you before you even took this apart there was a red wire that look like it should have been installed in the plastic connection so that might be what happened here
I spent 30+ years as a 12 volt tech/shop owner (basically a auto electronics installer). Even before covid we noticed more defective products and worse tech support.
Some days you get the bear and other days the bear gets you!! No quality control at all.
I have a question no one seems to have the answer for - all automobile evaporators have a temperature sensor attached to the evaporator coil that will shut off the compressor if it gets too cold to prevent icing. So why do residential evaporators not have this feature?
Went through a phase of this with lennox motors on odu
I am NOT a fan of those ECM motors. Never have been. Carrier was having problems with them in the mid 90s and then you could not just replace the ECM you had to replace then entire motor. Give me an old fractional HP motor any day. 1/5 - 3/4 used to be about 35 - 40.00 back in the day, not any more. Crazy because they are still made like junk. Not like the 1978-1985 time frame. Yup, I'm an old tech that got into Chillers. Hope you let that thaw natural like. I've had new motors taken out by running with ice. P.S. I do like watching you repair stuff. The key word is REPAIR! Everyone wants to replace with a 7 or 8 times mark up on residential stuff. Amazing to me. What used to cost about 3-4000.00 (5 Ton) turn key is now 17 to 20,000.00 which screws someone my age totally over. Pay 200.00 per month for life LOL. Anyway GOOD JOB !
on the first motor.. one of he plug didn't look like it was in? You had another video in a unit like this.. what are all those doors on the wall behind the HVAC unit?
Re?inds me of getting parts in the army.
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Wonder why those apt style ahu are used, from my pricing they are more expensive than a regular ahu and a lot harder to work on.
Well I will tell you from working an apartment maintenance job.i would much rather have a wall mount unit to work on.over an over the tub model .that one sucks...
Hey Curtis of the subject from this video. Have you came across any American standard or any other brand gas package unit with loud bang when starts and shuts down. We have some costumers complaining about it. We have tried changing motor and fan blade with out any luck.
I wonder if I should refer to our new (just 2 years old) Goodman as a "Droneman" instead. Those motors aren't cheap.
Poor QC on the manufactures side. Also, the apartment complex builders must have bought these units on the cheap.
Might help to push plugs all the way in!
I will say the motor manufacturer needs better quality control in their quality control dept. That is really sad a new motor out the box was bad.
I thought the ECM modules were replaceable so you didn't have to pull the whole fan? At any rate, it may be wise to get tester and test them out of the box.
Not on these
Over here near chicago they don't sell just the modules anymore cause the manufacturer was loosing money. Now they sell everything together.
@10:20, It's looks like the connectors are not fully seated after the new motor was connected. Is it just me? Either way, it's worked on the second motor 🙂
Okay cuz if this froze up because it was low on freon that might have actually pulled that wire out and that's why I brought it up
Live in Southern California and unfortunately deal with this a lot. Not a fan of Goodman equipment. But they pay the bills.
Used to make this unit for goodman factory had to put in 12 screw every 3 seconds for electric heater. what's about quantity, not quality at this factory. Now Goodman makes it in Mexico.
Could you have disconnected the blower power and run the HP in heat mode to get that ice started melting?
My company sells Goodman and never have this many problems with the blowers. You need to remember that Goodman doesn’t make the motors
I’ve installed a lot of Goodman units with no issues. The quality control on all the brands has gone down. So you can’t say one way or the other. I do however, think a fan motor on a new unit is unusual.
Who do you charge for the EXTRA labor? curious what’s failing in the module got to be some diode or transistor anyway to get the schematic to trouble shoot it?
Can you say “class action lawsuit”?
That’s just not called for. Quality control non existent! They need to switch vendors on the motors
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How many times have you had a brand new motor or board be bad..right out of the box?? And is that why it's best to buy two at a time when buying parts for a job?
I got a feeling a new packard generic inducing assembly motor is bad on 2 wires smoked the circuit board always something
what recording device are you using sir?
10:00 - The problem is you didnt even plug the wiring loom in properly on the first motor. You can see it is clearly not seated properly, especially when compared to 14:11 . Jagaloon.
Doggo
These units need freeze stats
I think you might have discovered the answer to global warming.
And the motors are made where exactly?
Mine is always you can’t make this shit up this is starting to become a common thing in the auto repair industry. Also bad parts right out of the box or they last three days it’s getting ridiculous.
China !
That sucked big time!!! Hello Riley.
Quality control is a thing of the past....
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I remember from the Evan Almighty movie, "When someone asks for patience, do you think God zaps them with patience or does he give them opportunities to be patient?' You are far and ahead of me in the patience area. You've also shown that Goodman is not a product to be trusted. How sad.
Doesn't one manufacturer make a tester to verify the ECM motor before installing? I saw a tech channel where one was used. Edit: might have been the MI heating guy channel and a carrier tester? Just a guess.
Yeah, I think you're right. I remember that video.
Yes supco makes an ecm tester, just gotta hook it up to 24v and u can test ecms. I belive I paid like $75 for the tester years back.
I'm pretty sure I've seen him use the tester he has before.
Go to 10:00 and see if that second connector wasn't crooked. Looks can be deceiving.
Looks like the left molex connector sticking out more than the other half of harness
I agree it looks possibly not fully inserted however it looks like maybe that was corrected before the motor was tested again. Around 11:05 it looks like it was pushed in further.
maybe checking power on the motor side?
Guys, keep watching, when I try the second time it is fully plugged in.
14:47 looks better than 10:20@@HVACGUY
Bad motor caused icing or icing caused bad motor? I hear poor static pressures/airflow can cause premature failure of ecm.
You need a heat gun for that
Only good thing is it not a crawl space
Stuff today is garbage. Stuff back in the 60's, 70's and 80's seemed to last longer. I have some customers that have air handlers from the 80's still going strong.
I have a 1965 southwest furnace, replaced blower motor and gas control in 1993 cleaned burners recently, its still going strong !
it was all done on purpose... part of the green new deal depopulation plan
It can happen could be 25 or a hundred bad it's manufactured
Almost all x13 motors are bad
Not uncommon lately. particularly vehicle parts.
Very frustrating.
Everything is Chinese!
Goodman will give you credit hours added to your account off you next purchase. How do i know well let's just say Cina motors failures.
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