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Here's A video of all the wrong ways to tie in a D-loop and also the best way to tie in a D-loop! Some ways Cause bad d-loop Torque and tying it in correctly will help with getting rid of D-loop Torque. I hope you Found this D-loop Tutorial helpful!
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Bought my first bow (Hoyt powermax) back in January and have absolutely fell in love with archery. 20-40 yards and I'm busting through fletchings with my groups, but I shoot hundreds of arrows a week. Started on 60lb draw weight and draw length was somewhere in between but couldn't get comfortable. My d-loop started to fray and with the virus I was unable to go to any shops because they're all closed. So found this video and it saved me!! I used bcy 24 spectra and put my d-loop at an inch so now my draw length is perfect. Also, I now have my bow maxed out at 70lbs and everything is working perfectly. Just wanted to drop in and say thanks for the videos and information.
Thanks man, I have been learning to work on my bow for the past 5 months, and between you and Dudley, I actually feel confident and my work supports it. I am so thankful for people like you, brother.
That is great to hear!! Thanks for watching!
I am so glad I found and watched this video. I am a left handed bullshooter. And my pro shop. ties my D loop. for a right handed shooter. I will now be telling my own D loops. Most of my bulwark. I will be doing at home from now on. Instead of waiting to get to a bow shop. spent the last two years. buying the equipment necessary. For working on my bows. I never did think about. the loop direction. since my pro shop. said they tied it in properly. Now I see it has been improper. It explains the extra torque on my bowstring.
Wow, fantastic job breaking it down, I been shooting bows since 94 and I’ve been putting on loops for many years, I don’t have a problem telling you I thought I knew how to put on a loop but you actually taught me something, thank you 🙏 great job, keep on putting out videos like this and you’ll have a fan.
Glad you found it helpful man!
Had the bow set up at a pro shop. It performed just fine czcams.com/users/postUgkxQEKUoxLWwayEDZR0NKB-5limn4MBU-2L . And I would say this is a good starting now that I could pass down to my son when he is older.But the package was missing the release and a nock was missing from one arrow.Dealing with customer support was terrible. They suggested I buy a new release rather than correct their own quality control issue because it’s to expensive for the. to ship it out from China.Update: manufacturer got back to me and resolved the issue. I retract the above statement.
This is extremely helpful. No one has ever explained it this way before and why. I have watched so many video's on d loops and I could never remember which way to do it correctly. This explains it so clearly and will always help me remember which way to tie it in. Thank you. Keep up the great content.
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I really appreciate your extreme attention to detail. Also the fact that you don’t lock out comments on your videos. I am new to archery and have no knowledge really to speak of in this so it’s a HUGE deal for beginners to be able to ask questions. I knew some bow hunters when I was a kid but they are all old crotchety guys now and won’t even answer questions. It’s really a comfort knowing there are some knowledgeable guys out there that truly want to educate people on the proper ways of doing things. The nearest pro shop to me won’t even touch my bow because I bought it at bass pro shop. So I’m literally on my own short of an almost 2 hour drive for 5 minutes of bow adjustment so thank you a ton.
I got the nose button awhile back and noticed improvement. Before that, I had the string on the side/tip of my big beak😂. With that being said, I’ve been having trouble getting consistency in the feel of pull on my Silverback tension release. I watched this video today and while my loop was tied correctly by the shop when they put on my new strings, they had it at 1/2 inch. I re-tied a new one per your instruction. This time at 3/4 inch and I’m shooting incredibly better. My best guess is that the shorter 1/2 loop was squeezing the caliper and causing it to fire unreliably as far as the tension I had to impart to actuate it. I can’t thank you enough for this small but very positively impacting tip. Between the nose button and the d-loop tip, you helped me a lot . You rock!
Wow thanks man! I really appreciate this message! I'm glad our videos and nose button have made a difference for you!
I just followed your instructions how to setup the loop for left hand and it worked like charm. I wish you were making some bow shooting classes. It will be really useful and fun.
Thanks much. That was a great explanation with quality camera work to show exactly what you are doing.
This was a great video. As soon as I saw it, I grabbed my bow to make sure my D-loop was tied correctly and it was in the right spot
Thanks for watching man!
His twist is backwards for RH
This is an excellent tutorial. I love detail. You provided it. I will be building my own bow here soon. Never tied a D loop before. Wasn't aware of the common errors. Can't thank you enough. Great job!
I’ve watched a bunch of videos on d loops and this is easily the best one out there. Great work, and thanks.
Thanks Josh, I bought the Easton D-loop pliers @ the beginning of the year cuz of this video. This weekend I brought home a new bow I dropped off @ the bowshop the 1st week of February. They never touched it & I know the draw length is a hair short. I bought this bow so I could have a backup bow ready to go in August. I'm ordering the Spectra D-loop material tonight since I bought 2 other BCY products back when I ordered the pliers but I didn't order the D23 loop material. I remembered that I watched this video last winter & liked it cuz I shoot the same release as u & I wanted a longer d loop for forgiveness & it helps that I can go 1" since a standard loop doesn't allow me to hit a perfect anchor point cuz I'm an in betweener. The pliers look like the right tool for a longer loop but the material I have here doesn't meet my high standards. Wish more people would watch this. U r the only video I could find where the person isn't standing on 1 side of the press which makes it frustrating when they tie the knots with 1 hand in the way. I actually tied in my nock points but I want to do the process once right than shoot this bow for the 1st time. Half measures only end up with half ass results & we owe it to the animals we hunt to be dead nuts on.
Haven't tied a D loop since last year. I kept getting it backwards or to short. I found this video to be most helpfull. Thanks
Awesome video! I refer to this video A LOT to double check my work and, when I work on other bows to make sure things are perfect for friends and family. Again, thank you for the time you spend helping out the archer community! If you'll haven't tried the Bowmar Nose Button or the Bowmar Grip Wrap --- totally worth the money! Thanks again, Josh!
Your info is spot on. I had my loop tied backwards and the loop would always sit crooked and mess my peep up. Now that I have it correct everything is spot on. The 23 is vastly superior! Especially when running a hinge or thumb. I precut and burn a length of 4.5" and it gives me a perfect length of around .75-1" final loop length.
Perfect! Glad it helped!!
Thank you. I thought I had tied my D loop in correctly till I found the buttons on the same side. And, I now have the buttons correct to the riser so I have the correct twist even though I'm an index finger shooter.
Thank you for doing this, not everyone knows this. I was taught wrong by a big name in the industry and I had now idea. I was finally taught the right way by an old timer at the club and it’s the only way that makes sense. We need you to do more of these style videos cause there is a lot of people out there blind following their favorite personality and doing whatever he says and it’s half wrong. Thanks again.
Brandon Haynes it’s really sad! I plan on doing more videos like this in the future💪🏼
Really helpful , i'm in the UK and just got my first compound bow and i am not to close to an Archery shop , so your channel is my go to for how to do things correctly . Many thanks .................
Best of luck! Thanks for the support!
I had to pull out my release and look. You state that you tie the D- loop this way to avoid torque on the string, but then as you come to anchor the D loop puts CCW torque on the string. If you tie it the opposite way, as you draw back there is some slight CW torque on the string, but as you come to anchor the loop returns to it's neutral position and negligible torque while be applied to the string.
I thought I was going crazy. He’s completely correct with the tying the knots opposite sides because of torque but he’s doing it backwards. He’s lining it up with the release, it’s supposed to be opposite angle of the release so the jaws or hook goes through it without twisting. He made a 25 minute video calling out the pros showing everyone the wrong way but in fact that’s what he’s doing. FOR EVERYONE WATCHING THIS! THIS IS INCORRECT AND COMPLETELY BACKWARDS!
Awesomeness, thanks! Very clear and precise and understandable, I’ve seen issues watching others tutorial videos, and either they did it wrong or the camera had the mirror affect and showed it backwards, so after scouring around through many and that’s the best and clearest way I’ve seen! Top notch! Send em…!🙏🏹💪✊💥
Absolutely true, as far as keeping unwanted torque out of the apex of drawn string.
Very good video for newer archers although you forgot to mention which side of the nocking point top or bottom you were trying to describe which side the loop over should be for a right handed archer....more experienced archers will be able to see your peepsight(top) to the left but it was not deliberately stated prior to explaining which side the mushroom should be on.
Otherwise great video for beginners
So what side should it be on? Not being a smart ass I just switched to a hand held realease that's why I'm asking.
@@keld6539 Fyi; the part of the knot that encases the other wraps of rope and therefore squezez tension on other wraps is called a "bight"(bite). that being said if you are right handed, the top knot of d-loop will have the "bight" on left of bow string if your looking at it right side up and from bow string to riser(like your firing an arrow). Then the bottom knot of d-loop will have "bight" on right side of bow string. Also keep mushroomed ends as far away from nocking point. Shoot me a text with your name and I will send you a close up picture of my bow string with arrow in place(808-495-1003) -chris-
@@disguy4729 wow, you explained it thousand times harder than it needs to be… the top side of the loop should be facing the shooter regardless of hes left or righthanded… and the bottom button should be facing away from the shooter. Also the buttons should face away from the loop in the nut on each side…
Some really good tips. I usually have serving above and below the nock, but will try just serving underneath the nock in future...
this is the best presentation i have seen, please keep them coming, trhanks.
Thank you!
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I am Loving my Bowmar nose button. Thanks for producing these, instantly saw an increase in my accuracy as it helps me find that perfect P.O.R (point of reference) every single time.
Thats so great to hear! THANK YOU!
Is that what is right below his peep. I thought it looked liked a bunch of balled up serving line all tied up.
I'm not a bow hunter so it might be different but as a target shooter I would not want that much nock movement. Then again I also tie on some nocking points too so there is less contact with the nock than you get with just d-loop knots. The wiggle room I leave is maybe a millimeter or the thickness of a piece of serving...two at the most. Other than that the tips on tying the knots was spot on and the tip on length was good too and about what most target shooters use. I would also encourage archers to really tighten down the knots as you tie them with needle nose pliers, so they are tight all the way thru. If you wait and tighten them with say needle nose pliers at the end buy stretching the loop open, you run the risk of having a knot with the outside loops loser than the inside ones. Plus putting too much torque with pliers to tighten the knots afterwards can cause the serving to separate. Just my two cents.
Thank you so much! I'm a lefty and have been tying mine backwards. Love your channel!
Awesome! Thank you!
Thank you! I appreciate the detailed explanation. I watched a bunch of other videos and this is the one that clicked for me. 💪
Glad it was helpful!
BCY 23 spectra is a staple for my bows. The only thing to caution people on is using jaw style releases since the d loop is slightly thinner... but its a superior material to the standard 24 most people use. The 23 spectra is way more durable indeed. Harder to burn the ends well but you get used to it over time. It also has more "slip" to it making a nice crisp and super repeatable release... The 24 d loop is fine too, but if you are trying to get the absolute most out of your bow then its worth a try. If your bow is not already tuned to the absolute highest degree then it should not be a concern until you have everything else dialed.
Awesome video, I switched to a thumb release this year and the D loop tutorial made it even better. Keep the videos coming
I followed your instructions, went full draw, and didn't punch myself in the face. Arrows go in the yellow still. Thanks for the tips!!
Such Brilliant information, I really never knew the littlest detail made that much difference in Accuracy!
Thanks Josh ! 👊
it really does! glad you found it helpful
@@BowmarBowhunting same here I tie my own dloops and I thought I was tieing the dloop and turns out I was doing it the wrong way
Excellent video. I have noticed knock pinch on my bow. I watched your video on serving above and below the knock and then installing the d loop also. I will definitely be doing this to my bow this week. Thanks for taking the time to teach us. I love your nose button also!!
Just switched to a thumb release and this helped me greatly. I was papertuning and was noticing funky tears watched this grabbed some bcy 23 tied 3/4” to 1” d loop and back to bullet holes. Thanks for this.
Thanks for this video! Very helpful, mine was on backwards. I'm always looking to better my setup. The in depth info is greatly appreciated!
Glad it was helpful! And thanks for watching!!
Josh! I checked my D-loop. O-Man! The button on top pointing left and the button on bottom pointing right.
Im a right hand draw. The Bow shop agrees this is wrong. Also below about the .021 on bottom and .014 on top with a little slop/room for nock👍. I concur your method! So my loop serving was non existant, D-Loop installed wrong from a shop that I dropped 2k in for a DoubleXL Hoyt on. Thanks for the education. Good work!
Thanks for watching!
This video helped me so much, along with the constrictor knot video, made my shooting so much better! Thanks man
Yo you're not going to believe this I went to Bass Pro Shop and tried to explain to them what you're saying in your video he argued with me the whole time told me how he hates thumb releases. eventually I got him to do it the way I wanted him to do it. He tried ruined my whole day but when I got home and shot with it... you were correct I can totally feel the difference!!! Thank you
I'm glad you're noticing a difference!!
Awesome thanks I’m a newbie and am gonna try to tie in a D loop thanks bro🙏🏽
Bro i very much enjoyed your tutorial and the camera person did an awesome job a couple of seconds were lost by your hands but overall the best explained and demonstrated video ive seen on CZcams. Keep it up . I'm a newbie this helped a lot.
Thanks for the support! Glad you found this video helpful
Thank you...Checked both my bows and turns out out my back up bow had a backwards d-loop. Great video, great advice.
It is actually his loop that is backwards.. the melted top button should be facing you and the bottom away from you.. So he explained right but did the opposite of what he described… kinda dumb actually..
Thanks for this. You and others have given me so much knowledge in this sport. Thankyou.
Awesome video changed to a longer d loop made a big difference.
Glad to hear it helped
thank you for the video. I need to start tying my own. Your detail makes it more precise.
Best detailed video on this ! I tie my dloops exclusively based on this video ! Keep it up !!
Just tied my very first d loop. Correctly, thanks to you!
Awesome great job, after watching and the way you explained everything I was able to do myself and not have to go to a bow shop and wait, thank you
This is great to hear!!
Same here awesome video.
The way you exaggerated the twist in the d-loop is the opposite of how it will naturally twist when tied and shot. I know this because I tie mine the exact opposite of this and it naturally twists the way you are exaggerating it in the video (Which is the wrong way you want the d-loop to twist for handheld releases!). Either way you are showing the right way to tie a d-loop in this video, it was just a little confusing when watching. I can't believe I haven't noticed this earlier and I am going to switch the way I tie mine immediately! Great video and keep up the great work!
Thanks man! I appreciate you taking the time to watch this video- glad it helped!
My truball max pro + has a swivel head, which in essence solves this issue at the draw.
You have the best video's to learn from I have found ! Thank you for sharing , it really helps!!
Wow thank you so much!!
Good stuff. I went with BCY 24 for mine in fluorescent pink so it's easy to see in low light. Just a tad thicker and stiffer than the 23. 3/4" long
I like the way you make something that's really easy to do seem complicated.
Excellent instructional video. You totally nailed it. Thanks so much Bowmar Bowhunting.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the social love!
Great video man, I watch it every time I do a new d loop.
As a guy that runs a shop, this is a great video. Only think about #23 vs #24 is if you're using a single or double caliper release you want the #24. The reason is that Spectra is softer and will flatten out and slip through, I see it every single week. The #23 is great for hook style or hand releases.
Great video and info! Made a big difference for me!!! Thank you!!!
Very good information to know about D Loops, thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Great video. Learn something new today. Thank you
This has been a super helpful video. I started out shooting my bow setup at 29" draw and learned later that I am actually a 28.5" draw. My bow wont do half inch so its now set to 28" and it feels strange cause Im now anchoring in a different spot. Ive been wonder if I could do a longer D loop to help get me back to a slightly further back anchor point.
This is the best and most detailed video I have ever seen on tying in a D-Loop! Thanks for the help Josh!
Awesome video. Just tied my first d loop and it was perfect. Second I used your release video and bent my wise guy trigger down. 👌
Great to hear!
just tied my first ever d loop and copy what you did, thanks also awesome buck you shot.
Spectra line is what we use in High-angle/River/Tech-rescue... It's good stuff but it's harder then hell to cut when it get's trapped/pinned/pinched under water and you've gotta clean it out of a river bottom after an incident... Speaking from personal experience.
Awesome video sir, very informative and well executed. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Awsome video thank you for the attention to detail and taking the time to explain things in depth
Erik White no problem!!
Great video. Looks correctly done. I’ve tied a few like to do things myself if I can. But I’m always learning.
Thanks, Man. Great explanation. I was getting different point of impact issues with different releases before trying 1 inch BYC 23. d-loop. WAS.
Thanks for watching
Yeah that was very interesting specially twist in the string like that Never knew it made a difference like that
I was never quite sure it mattered that much but this makes sense for sure. Good stuff. Thanks
This is a great job 👏
Thanks from Germany 🇩🇪
Great job on the video. Your explanation was great. One thing I'm confused on though is your logic for the way your tied in the twist. The way i see it, its backwards. By going on the outside on the top and the inside on the bottom, you put a slight clockwise twist into the d loop. So when you attach your thumb release and draw the bow, you will be rotating the release counter clock wise as you come to full draw thus putting more twist in the D loop that way. Or what am I not understanding??
I see the same issue. Especially when he drew it back.
I believe its because the jaws of the releases have to cross the string at a right angle to hold and release d loop, not be held vertically inline with the D-loop.
@@rickokain3853 Yeah, but that just proves their point more. The jaws of the release runs parallel to the string, twisting in an anti-clockwise direction. He has it twisted in a clockwise direction. I've been doing it the other way for years.
I agree with everything else here, very nice video series
I believe Josh has been doing the right thing but just only presenting in opposite direction incidentally in the video.
I need to take my words back, Josh is correct. I read all the comments and wished to find Josh's repy on this, it doesn't make sense that he missed this so obvious point. Finally, I found he actually already explained several times in the comments, quoted as below. I have to say he's really a professional! Just a little suggestion, maybe in future it'll be good to explain how it works too for such confusing cases.
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The melted Ball of the D-loop pushes the loop the opposite direction of the direction of the knot. (counter clockwise) try it yourself, and you'll see after a few shots your D-loop will have a perfect counter clockwise twist in it tying it this way. it's actually opposite to what you would think, because every D-loop has to have the melted ends to make it safe to shoot. Due to the size of the melted balls, it pushed the D-Loop the opposite direction, again in this scenario it, it would be counter clockwise.
trust me I've spoken with a lot of ACTIVE world champs and other other very high level active shooters and they ALL tie their d-loop in this way.
Yo the pre twist you have is backwards. You have it tied for a lefty shooting a handheld
This video is excellent! I learned so much. Thank you!
QUESTION: How do I know where to put the D-loop on the string? e.g. How do you center it?
Thank you again!
This help me with my tru ball thumb button completely!! Awesome!!
Excellent video! Remember, if you lengthen your D-Loop from your previous length, it will affect your draw lengths.
Good tip!
Great Video Josh keep up the great work!
Awesome video! My only constructive criticism is that people learn from primacy so what they see first is what they remember so I would suggest showing the entire right way to do something first and then show all the incorrect way. Just my two cents but love the channel and learning tons!
Lately I see a new Josh..
Thank you for sharing!
Great Video, learned a lot! Thanks
I'm curious: Have you ever thought about trying Griv's torqueless d-loop?
Great video Josh! Totally worth it.
Well the shop where I got my bow had mine tied on the wrong way the knots were opposite but the melted ball on the wrong sides fixing it now thanks!!
Very informative!!
Worked like a charm...thank you!
Great videos. We want more content like this!
Thank you!! More to come!
Interesting: the whole idea of of dead centerknocking point is: having a perfect release of the arrow every time. Meaning have perfectly straight arrows with no torke on the arrow every release. Great on paper but not logical. Let me explain: the more downward pressure on the arrow forces the arrow to do the same thing every time. If you shoot slightly under center and happen to have an arrow thats not perfectly tolerance. That arrow will fly the the same as a perfect straight arrow every time. So in theory you are correct. But I have never been perfect. So I've always ask a little forgiveness from bow set up. Always kept me humble.
Awesome Video, very informative. Thanks
So glad you found our content helpful!
Awesome information! Thank you for all of the great content!
Thanks man!!
This is WRONG...right handed shooter the top not is to left , bottom knot toward right..to counter act the torque on string. The opposing forces keep the string peep turned toward your eye.
It is 180 degrees opposite for left handed shooter.
This is 100% WRONG DIRECTION YOU ARE TEACHING.
I agree.
Thanks Josh!! That’s really awesome!! I’m definitely going to check my D-loops now
Tie in nock set above and below your nock first before you put your D-Loop on it will help more against pinching the nock and if your D=Loop brakes it will make it easier to get the new loop in the right place.
I don’t know if I being doing it wrong but I haven’t being paying attention great advice thank you
If I shoot a thumb release wouldn't the D loop twist in the opposite direction that you are showing on a right hand bow? Watching a video by John Dudley he shows the exact opposite of what you show. I'm getting mixed info. Thanks for your input
That is because Mr Bomar isn't a professional archer, or an archery professional. He's a marketing specialist.
I was wondering the same thing.
The top button should be facing you and not the bottom one…
Agreed. He is actually torquing against the twist he made. I believe the way he shows it is the wrong way.
Absolutely love these!
Love it man. Another great video. I'm learning a ton from the knowledge you're sharing. Keep it up!
Awesome, thank you!
I'm just learning a bunch here. All of this is foreign in my hunting game
Great video. Very informative. Very well explained. Awesome for us guys getting into doing our own setups.
I tie mine like you say and it works well for me as a hinge shooter. Curious that Dudley says the opposite. Thanks in advance, keep it up.