Brompton T Line first look
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- We don't like the T Line! Well that's what some people thought at least as we had never made any videos on it
Well - that was because we didn't have one - but now we do - so expect more videos soon!
0:00 | Intro
0:14 | Seven first look fave features
3:03 | T Line vs P Line
9:26 | End
9:45 | Outtakes - Sport
Great instruction to an exciting and easily affordable Brompton. The bloopers at the end really made it worth staying for it! Keep up the good work🎉
I have a first generation T Line so I am speaking from experience. It's a noisy bike. You need to grease it after a few months of riding to get rid of the creaky noise. It's not a simple greasing. I need to disassemble the hinge and headset area and grease and assemble again with a torque wrench. Brompton recommends using non-petroleum grease and it actually works eliminating the noise. I've had multiple punctures on it because of the horrible Tubolito inner tubes. It's very light to carry and it makes a big difference for a daily commute. I've taken it abroad as carry on luggage. But if you are a recreational rider and don't use a Brompton to everyday for work commute, I would go with a P line instead. It's cheaper and doesn't require a lot of maintenance. I think the P line is Brompton's best offering. Reliable solid bike that doesn't cost a lot of money. I ride my P more often now. Potential T buyers beware.
Hope the newer version of the T line is more reliable and maintenance free than the earlier version, which has some design faults.
That’s great feedback. But i don’t think the p line is cheap. I find the difference in price with the C quite high 😅
Imho C line suffies. I used mine for daily commute to work.
What an excellent series of videos 😁 it's so helpful. I love my bikes but just not finding a breakdown like you've done on the channel ! Thanks so much
So glad it was helpful! Thanks you soon much for watching and for taking the time to comment.
I’ve been checking out the t-line from afar for a while and you still managed to tell me things I hadn’t read/seen elsewhere. Very informative. Thanks!
Phew! But we did forget to actually weigh it!
Thanks for watching!
Its lovely but i thought my p line was excessive 😂. I still think the c line explore is the best all round bike.
Many thanks for watching!
this video is perfect! I'd watch comparisons like this on all sorts of things. Thank you!
Many thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. I’ve seen that improvements on the T line go beyond making it lighter, that was my first impression. There are several interesting design innovation that you pointed out brilliantly on your video
We are so impressed with it! Thanks for watching!
Many thanks for an excellent review as always Hannah. 😀 Love my T line and use it all the time - it’s super light as you say and this is really useful when changing modes of transport. Everything on it is high quality and it’s a pleasure to work on. I’ve swapped out the tubes and tyres for Conti Contact Urbans and Schwalbe tubes as recommended by others. I had to sort out a VERY squeaky seat in the first week of ownership and a quick regrease of the front clamps has quietened everything down. A “brilliant” bike in a very way…👍👍👍
Many thanks for watching and for our comments, its great to know that they really have ironed out the initial teething issues :)
Love the video! FYI, lots of T Lines from where I'm located are fitted with Chris King InSet 7, using TiParts Workshop headset adaptor rings. Chris King headsets are also beginning to show up custom made for the T Line, but these command a price premium on top of the already expensive InSet 7.
Ooohhhh now we have some shopping to do. Thanks for the information and for watching!
love love your bloopers 😄
Thank you so much for watching!
Yeah…😊👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 long awaited t line review. Thanks 😊
Thank you for watching! Now can’t wait for the longer ride review 😀
Thanks for the video.
Excellent job as with all your videos.
I think I'm getting a C line urban 2 speed. I still very much liked watching your comparison between the T and P bikes.
Thanks so much for watching! Just let us know if you have any further questions on the bikes
As a tall rider with a 37 inch inside leg, it does my head in that the seat tubes are never ever made long enough. Btw - you mail order service is amazing. 🎉
Sorry! And thank you for watching and using us, we really do appreciate it!
As a Dane our "Scandinavian Bromptons" are all delivered with a 600mm post as Standard! And too long for my then new German, B&W luggage Box without taking my "Folding Bike" apart, so I bought a "Super Heavy", Black Telescope Post, for my "Superlight", from Brilliant Bikes, just before The Brexit, "Flagellation Exercise"!!
Since then I have bought a special pump for my 2019 SuperlightM6LXBRompton (Titanium Triangle, without a "holder" for the pump!) from - Brilliant Bikes, where I first saw them demonstrated!
But I now must admit that the added and unnecessary "Trade Trouble" from Brexit makes it unlikely that I will buy more parts from the GB! Finn. Denmark
Love my T Line - I'm just one big smile every time I ride it. It is so zippy and stable, it just flies.
Can’t wait to take ours out for a proper test ride!
Thanks for watching!
do you have the T line 4 speed
I’ve had the T for a year now. It’s great for daily commute due to its light weight. Personally I find the saddle a tad hard for my bum on long rides so I have swapped it for something more comfortable. Overall it’s fabulous and I can see myself using it for more than 10 years (I have a M6R as well).
Many thanks for watching! This is awesome to hear!
Thankyou for a very detailed, informative and down to earth video, ....with also a little humour and jest in the sidelines. Can you please do some similar vids for other bicycle related things? Or even non bicycle related things? you are a fabulous presenter thankyou again.
Any thanks for watching and for your comment we really appreciate it!
Not sure if me cooking would be so amusing……
Vous êtes aussi géniales que charmante et à cause de vous j’ai craqué pour un fantastique T Line ! Amitiés de Belgique ! 😘
Thank you so much h for your lovely words! We really appreciate it!
Great video. Practical, clear and Informative. Would be great if you could compare the P line electric with the C line electric.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Many thanks for watching!
The weight and the folded rolling are really appealing... Not so the lack of color options nor the lesser gears... I guess the biggest issue is the way higher price than C or P... Could probably put a C bike on an effective diet, within a smaller budget... It also seems, from availability and options, to be in it's early stages... Great, detailed explanation!
Many thanks! And thanks for watching!
For me it's the new hinge pins and rear triangle pivot that are now replaceable without special tools. 🤩
Yup that’s pretty cool!
I’m Hank’s for watching!
Any of these bikes look great . Only as a small rider my main concern is crank length ? Do the come with only 170mm cranks? A cheap ARGOS challenge folding bike comes with 140mm cranks which i have fitted to my hybrid bike 140mm is the correct length for my 69cm inseam. Is there any option to get 140mm or even 155mm , is 165mm a option ? Because 170mm for a short rider is a none starter as far as i am concerned. I take my crank lengh from on line crank length calculator 'bikefaff ' it is correct. 170mm is correct crank size for someone with 84cm (33 inches inseam), i belive this to be correct. Is there any option to get short cranks for someone with 32" inseam or less (165mm, 155mm or anything less that 170mm or are we just supposed to make that work? Even as a extra option at extra cost ?
I'm Australian, "arse-end" is preferred nomenclature. I particularly like the lingering steely stare after comparing the roller wheels. I was compelled to pay attention.
Many thanks for watching! I do like the arse end of the T Line!
waited for a review like this for a while, now my employer has upped the limit for the cycle scheme I think ill be trading in my p-line for a t-line.
It really is even better than we expected! Can’t wait to hear from you 😀
Thanks for watching!
I have "tried" to improve my T Line but am unable to do so. A mechanic at NY Brompton Junction said there is a better aftermarket left pedal but I have not been able to find it. He also said the T Line is perfect "as is", and he sees a LOT of Bromptons and after market parts, so he knows, IMO. I REALLY like my T Line!
I really don't think a Junction is allowed to promote Non-Brompton parts, even if better. But a search on the Internet gives multiple, Brompton like parts from China, Korea and Taiwan which are as good, better or less expensive than the original. My black Chinese Titanium seat post I suppose has the same price as an original Brompton shaped post, but is lighter.
Many thanks both for watching! Glad you love your T Line. We really like the Superlight pedals!
Thank you for this excellent video. But the most important question is: how is the ride? Does the t-line feel that much better?
We are planning on making a video on it soon 😀. Can’t wait!
Thanks for watching!
The ride is great, the thicker titanium frame smooths out the ride. I love to ride it to work every day. It's much nicer to handle because it's so much lighter
Do we know if the current T line fixes some of the issues?
I really fancy a T line but hear of all the issues people have. I have an early P line with many T line parts which has mostly been solid.
It sounds like the teething issues really have been ironed out, so we are looking forward to trying out the demo and will update when we have.
Thanks for watching
So they do innovate 😊
Yup. That’s what we were trying to explain on the short but it seemed to have been missed. Thanks for watching!
It's good to see mudguards on the T-Line. I know that the weight weenies love to save weight, but mudguards really are a must for the vast majority of the year in the UK. How does that automatically aligning frame clamp er... automatically align?
Great vid. Thank you.
As a "Rainy Dane" I never leave home without mudguards! The origin of the "Brompton Stripe" up your back has never seemed that tempting for me! 😁
@@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 I remember riding a Moulton with a short rear mudguard. The stripe went all the up to the crown of my head! I thought that the sun always shone on Denmark, even at night!
@@AndyZE123 During Summer it comes close, and I passed the Polar Circle many years ago, but still it is very light during evenings, till late! Finn
I agree it's great to see mudguards on the T Line, otherwise it would be rubbish in the UK, and if you want to save weight you can always take them off. The hinge clamps are fixed place with a small bolt, so they really don't change orientation at all when you undo them
Thanks for watching!
Yes the clamps stay in place/ are not turning even if you loosen the bolt all the way. Very convenient.
The mudguards are great if you need them. They only weigh 250 g. If you like to save some weight go for the saddle and seatpost first
Did you talk about the forks? I can't find that you did, but its early and I'm still half asleep
We did mention the carbon forks on the T line. Thanks for watching!
I want a video about riding the titanium. How does it feel? I have heard reports that it was originally a bit whippy. Is that true?
Thanks for the suggestion, it is on the list! it is quick and responsive!
Very enjoyable video. Any info on T line accessories?
Many thanks for watching and for the question. There are a few, the quad lock mount, pump, any thing else you are interested in?
Not really ,just wondered what things were on offer@@brilliantbikes
Thanks
Thank you for watching!
Thank you
No sir ... thank YOU!
You never mentioned the actual "Weight" of the T-line - with mudguards?? My present, now - much, much modified 2019 "SuperlightM6LXBrompton", but still without a carbon handlebar and - modified mudguards, changing the "Heavy Metal" clamps to a set of carbon and aluminum, is presently weighing 8,75 kilo and I expect to be able to reach at least 8,5 kilo (+ Some more brake parts, for the original Brompton brakes, which for some reason has changed shape/bolt length during the years, - to titanium)!!!
I have a Ceramic, Titanium Crank and Ceramic balls in my head set! And most all, front-axle and bolts, discs, seat post and nuts on my bike are now from Titanium. I have "stabilizers" on my clamps, to keep them positioned when folding my bike (and Security bolts in the end of the locking bolts/clamps, not to be able to - loose them during handling!!! I lost one in the growth in a wood (But luckily found it again)!! I needed to reach "the hidden tool set" in the frame!)
And of course all the "Missing Protection" against "scratches" during folds, which The Factory has never provided!!!
When I gave my "Brand New Bike" an Auto Polish all over, after - two or three folds, the one "clear tape", from The Factory 🤨 was nearly worn through to the paint, so I - immediately ordered a full set of "Plates and Protection" for the many known "Week Points" on a Brompton frame, so it still looks like a New Bike today! Finn. Denmark 😄
lol! How did we miss the actual weight! Next time!
Thanks for watching!
@@brilliantbikes I do look forward to see how much, less than mine it actually weighs, also with the mudguards! As a Dane I never leave Home without them!!😀 Finn. Denmark
You deserve your thumbs up. Great work and many details. I ride a single speed T-Line for months with lots of pleasure and efficiency. For a reason I'm not sure to be able to explain the extended seat post fits perfectly well with my long legs on the T when I need an extended seat post on the C..
Many thanks for watching! Do you have your Pentaclip the other way up between the bikes?
We made a video on that a while ago
czcams.com/video/EKR2E9ec-Xg/video.htmlsi=amO84bjOtq8J8SO8
As a Dane our Scandinavian Bromptons are all delivered with a 600mm seat post! And too long for my German B&W luggage box, so I tried a Standard Length, 535mm model seat post from Titanium (Black, as my Black Version bike) and from China, for a test! Turning a lighter model seat clamp round below the saddle, for a little more length, it functions reasonable, and still able to be put in my box, without taking my Folding Bike apart! Finn. Denmark
you didn't mention the one version. how many is the crank 56T or 50T or 54T?
The T line one as standard has a 56 tooth chain ring.
Thanks for watching!
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Thank you so much! Greeting back from the UK
Any idea on wait times for the T Line?
Not too bad, a couple of months, pony’s an e-mail and we can add you to our waiting list.
Thanks for watching!
Supply caught up. I noticed the price drop.
The clamps can be found aftermarket that does the same thing.
i cant believe the bloopers is only 1 min long hahahahhaaha
btw my friend did fit a Chris King on Ti Line ... using Insert 5
Many thanks for watching!
I have a question: In a hypothetical dream build of a T-Line, and if the frame size were commensurate to the wheel size, would your T-Line have 16", 18", or 20" wheels? Why?
Good question! Call me old fashioned, I like the look and feel of the 16”, if I want a bigger wheeled bike I’ll ride my road or MTB.
Thanks for watching!
Are the self aligning hinge clamps suitable for older Bromptons or do they fit T-Line only? If they will fit ok you have the part ref so I can order some from you?
Sadly they only for the T line, let’s hope for the future.
Thanks for watching!
@brilliantbikes thanks, what a wasted opportunity. Owners have been asking for this for years, to design one that isn't a retrofit option is just plain daft.
@@terryc8164 let’s cross our fingers that they can adapt it for the A / C / / P line
The bolt on the T Line is shorter - so it needs a very slightly different design
@brilliantbikes if it is just the bolt that is shorter, could the levers from the older type be used with the clamps from the new ones??
@@terryc8164 the bolt length is the only reason (that we can see) that it won’t fit
But the design is quite different (the bolt is shaped and has a hole in it to receive a screw)
So it really needs a whole new assembly (we have tried and will make a short video on why it won’t fit!)
Is it possible to convert my T-Line 4 Speed 50t chainring into the new 12 Speed version?
Yes! We have a page explaining how to do it, but at the moment the wheels are out of stock. As soon as they arrive we will make them able to be ordered. But if you want to send us an email we can raise an order to reserve one when they come in.
The best posh tottie on CZcams - fascinated by her exploratory finger 😻
Thanks for making me smile in the morning, and for watching!
@@brilliantbikes apologies, but it had to be said... (Maybe 🤣)
Have to agree. This lady is to the Brompton. What Nigella Lawson is to cooking. A delight to watch and learn something.
Number 21, your legs look longer and slimmer on T-Line than on the P-Line.
Now that’s always an advantage!
Thanks for watching!
Wider handle bars may give more control, but if like me you have narrow shoulders they might also be less comfortable.
Easier to cut them down than make them longer, though.
Many thanks both for watching.
Any chance of changing the gearing to a lighter gearing? Here in Norway the 6 speed -12% option is the default one . An 11-18 cassette would do the trick.
The rear sprockets on the T line are - 11-13-15-18 teeth, you could always decrease the size of the front chain ring if you wanted lower gearing.
Thanks for watching!
@@brilliantbikesAre you sure you have smaller chainring options for the T Line cranks? Aren't the T Line chain rings limited so far to 50T and 56T?
Is this on general sale not the balot?
Yes 😀, they are now available through a limited number of Brompton dealers.
They really are way more awesome than we thought!
Thanks for watching!
I love mine
We are impressed with all the new designs and the weight! Thanks for watching
I wish one day Brompton make a desks brake
À heavy desk will slow you down for sure 😅
Thanks both for watching!
TBH we don’t really have an issue with the Brompton brakes for general use.
Does anyone else think the T-line at £4,500 is out of many people’s pockets or is part of owning a T- line means the weight of one’s wallet is also lighter, have mentioned before why have they changed the wheels on the P- line when the should have the same as the T- line , The CEO of Brompton said on a podcast two weeks ago that they’re working on a 12speed upgrade, can’t help but think the way forward would be much more logical to have an internal 11 speed hub with a belt drive system, song for today dedicated to the price of the T-line = Money, Money, Money = ABBA.
Buying a folding bike for the price of a minor used car is rather absurd! I have rebuilt my now - much less than 2019, Top SuperlightM6LXBrompton to a weight of, which will soon be 8,5 kilo with mudguards, and for a much lower price!! I doubt this T-line with Mudguards weighs that much less than mine? Finn. Denmark
@@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Is your bike a Brompton bike and you have modified it or are you talking about a standard road bike ? If it’s a Brompton would be interested what you have done to it.
he mentions what he's done earlier in the comments@@kavanobrien6547
@@kavanobrien6547 My bike is a 2019 SuperlightM6LXBrompton (I had a 6,8 kilo Racing bike!). I have a Brompton shaped black titanium seat post, a printed saddle and clamp (China) and near all nuts, bolts, crank, front axle and many original brake and security parts are now from titanium! My mudguards are with original titanium stays but the "brackets" holding them, on top of the guards, are from "Heavy Metal", so I have found a Carbon Set with black bolts (China) and two holders for the frame, from Aluminum! I look for a Stem post from Titanium, but it is very costly for a few extra gram sawing. I haven't changed my handlebar and the parts for my mudguards and a few for my brakes, till now (When the day of summer comes!).
I have protective Leather added on my frame and stem post and still original pedals (A large bolt from titanium to be added) and a strengthening bracket for my mudguards end (bromptonian.nl)!
He also makes repair parts and an of road version of a triple folder.
For now it weighs 8,75 kilo and I expect to reach at least 8,5 kilo with the last changes - handlebar from carbon. And still with mudguards, as a "Rainy Dane"
Another great video, as always. However, what is the correct price for this? I've seen quoted £4'500 😮
Many thanks for watching. Yup that’s the correct cost.
How to clean the T line frame? It looks uneven on the surface
The best thing to clean it with is vinegar based window cleaner
It looks stunning. However, I'm not a fan of carbon fibre in safety-critical areas. Having owned an early Brompton where the handlebars failed (dramatically and instantly), I'm wary of the dangers of parts failing. Carbon fibre, especially where it may pick up wear has a reputation of failing without any warning. I just couldn't use a bike with carbon bits on a daily basis - I just wouldn't trust it. I'd much rather stick to steel or titanium for a daily bike.
However, I'd be happy to use this as an occasional bike.
Same a had a broken collarbone from cf handlebars. I’ve found lightweight also meant more fragile or wear faster no matter what you pay. Cycling is one of those things that price can’t factor durability and lightweight together.
Strong, light or cheap, pick two.
As an owner of a carbon MTB, and a former owner of a LOOK, 6,8 kilo Top Racing bike, I have never had problems with a lack of strength and I have also had a Carbon Handlebar on my Racing bikes for many years - so why the reason - any reason not to trust a "Carbon Handlebar" on a Brompton?? 🤔 Finn. Denmark
@@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 The problem with carbon fibre is that when it fails, it does so in a catastrophic way. This usually happens when there is some form of damage (perhaps from just a single scratch).
The chances of getting scratches with a folding bike, used on a train for example, is that they will pick up scratches quite easily, even if it is due to other people bumping into it. You will note that the Brompton fold requires the handlebars to swing down, and the chances of them hitting something are quite high. The user might think that a scratch is nothing to worry about until it fails.
I’m not a metallurgist (but my Dad was). People tend to think of carbon fibre as a replacement for metal. Now, most metals (not aluminium) will suffer from fatigue due to the effects of flexing. However, you can’t think of carbon fibre in the same way. Carbon fibre is very strong and does not fatigue. Instead, it fails and fails quickly (instantly). Metals will have three states - solid, fatigued, and failed. Carbon fibre has two states, solid, and failed.
I’m sure Brompton is sourcing the parts from a good manufacturer and have built-in some redundancy. However, I just wouldn’t want to trust it for safety-critical applications.
I’m sure if I had this bike, I would be very careful with it, but I would be very wary of buying a used on (which might affect the used prices of these).
@@horsenuts1831 I have seen fails from using carbon MTBs in rough terrain, when landing after jumps, but as now 75 I have used many Top- and Superlight bikes through the years - also made from Carbon! And I have never experienced any fails or faults from those (My present Vision Kilo/fully Shimano XTR is from Carbon, and with a Carbon Handlebar)!
A Brompton is very much exposed to be scratched during folding and handling, if not protected (I have added much protection to mine, from that!), but it is mostly the frame being a problem!
I honestly never would find it "risky" to use another "Carbon Handlebar" and I intend to change my original Brompton Handle Bar to a new M shaped bar, as part of making my bike even lighter than my present goal of 8,5 kilo (still with Mudguards)!
And if so, then only by using a Titanium handle bar, for some less weight sawing. Finn. Denmark 😀
Why is it that brompton chose to use carbon fibre for the fork instead of titanium?
We think it is because they are a little bit more rigid.
Thanks for watching!
And the weight of the T line is?
Many thanks for watching we made a shirt on the weight. Can’t believe we forgot to weigh it!!!!
czcams.com/users/shortsV3CQJI6EHYo?si=56Ecl2bSdB5p1cua
Oh wow, comparing these two bikes and forgetting to tell us the weight and the price - oops! 😂
I know! Maybe we were blow away by the lightness! We did make another video to compare the weight!
Thanks for watching!
how much does it weigh?
I can't believe we actually forgot to weigh it!!!Video in the making. Thanks for watching
So Brompton finally make a bike I would love to have..And you need a morgage to buy unless you are rich. I will have to stick with my Tern verge X11..
They are lovely and so light! Thanks for watching!!
Yes I may make a compromise and get the P Line. They are pretty light at 10kg. And half the price. You are lovely too. You are to Brompton bikes. What Nigella Lawson is to cooking.
Weight comparison?
So sorry we forgot to weigh it! Rubbish, so amazed at the lightness. So we are making. short video to compare the weights
Thanks for watching
1. It’s light, 2. It’s light, 3. It’s light etc 😂
Thanks for watching! It really is very light!! Surprises me every time!
I am not keen on Brompton and especially very expensive Bromptons blinged up with other non propriety headsets and steerers with their branding spoiling the overall aesthetic. I know this is very popular in the far east. I like the concept of No Logo which Wilf Self addressed on his Volvo.
Thanks for watching!
THE PRICE IS INSANE
But they are insanely light!
Thanks for watching!
The top tube holes do contribute to a real problem.
czcams.com/video/2W1Cafgne10/video.html
Since Jun 2022 with 2000 km on the mileage.
Welcome to the flexing of the Titaiume. Bcos you all asking for the trouble yourself.
Silliness to me, if I may say! Instead of improving the C Line, Brompton created the P and killed the superlight. And made the T and kill the P hahahaha
Well not quite. I expect my now much modified Superlight, with 6 gears, soon weighs about the same as a T-line with mudguards, then 8,5 kilo. and still for about below half the price + what's added on top of special parts, but not at all as expensive.
A lot of money for an occasional ride.
Weight of P line & T line & compare difference between P/T…
Many thanks for watching and for the suggestion. We did a short on comparison between the C, P and T lines, link as follows
Brompton T Line weight comparison
czcams.com/users/shortsV3CQJI6EHYo?feature=share
Wow, at $5,500, I would need to commute for about 46K miles at current gas prices just to break even.
Sell your car! You are making a profit immediately
Thanks both for watching! And you can get some exercise 😀
@@brilliantbikes excellent reply. Less car use is priceless
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Carbon fibre is not a material "for life", it is a material designed for maximum result, not maximum longevity. If I drop 4,500K on a bike, I want that bike to be for life - and that will mean sans carbon.
that has little to do with the material itself and everything to do with construction. Of course, the verdict is still out with the bike being so new.
@@napilopez I have rebuilt a "Vision Kilo" based MTB to a full Shimano XTR with XTR9120, double caliber disc brakes and oversize discs on XTR wheels. Though an elderly bike I have never had any problems with the carbon parts on it, even the carbon spokes!! Finn. Denmark