Nuclear 4.0: Chinas NEW Thorium Reactor Changes Everything!
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- China's latest #nuclearenergy project could completely change the future of #China and #chinaeconomy
And By Launching its first #thoriumreactor, China is marking a significant milestone for #nuclearenergy ( #moltensaltreactor )
You might have never heard of thorium, but its potential is a game-changer for our future to fight #climatechange and #globalwarming . While Traditional nuclear plants use a more than 50-year-old Technology based on #uranium, #thorium is safer, capable of burning nuclear waste, and is suitable for use in arid, landlocked areas, exactly like the #Gobidesert
But one stat makes this new #moltensaltreactor truly remarkable for China. China is home to one of the world's largest supplies of #thorium; with only one ton of Thorium, it's possible to generate the same amount of energy as with 3.500.000 tons of Coal.
And by Tapping into this resource and becoming the first country in the world to commercialize this energy, china will have enough energy to power its country for the next 20,000 years!
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Congrates to the Chinese Thorium Reactor program team👍
China still leads the world in pollution, by far. Lets not forget that they are the world’s largest polluter.
In Germany we had one of the most advanced developed technologies using Thorium. Because of “green politics” the technology had to be given up and the technology was sold to China. Now they try to run an industrial land like Germany with sun and wind. The problem is, that there isn’t much sun in a cold country like Germany. Now the German industry has to give up, as it is not possible to power it with only wind and sun.
@@friedensmal Hamm-Uentrop pebble (pebbles with thorium) high temp. hélium reactor was a failure. Many problems, accident in 1968. Easy to find on internet.
Sorry 1986
Great for the Chinese. Very sad that the U.S. hasn't done anything that benefits this country in a very long time.
Hold on.....Chinese can't build dams without falling apart killing hundreds, can't build bridges that won't stay up for more than a month, cannot build their own jets without 80% outside help and parts, cannot build high rise buildings that doesn't fall apart like tofu, cannot build ship engines that doesn't break down within a 100 miles, cannot make vaccines that won't kill the patient, cannot build ev vehicles that won't explode, cannot make weapons that has a better than a 33% chance of working, cannot build gps satellites that works, cannot build a tank without its wheels falling off during an exhibition, cannot launch rockets that won't stop exploding or falling on top of houses, cannot even keep their environment clean with the dirtiest smog air and chemical and heavy metal saturated water and soil, cannot produce enough food to feed a qurater of their starving children, cannot heal and eradicate any diseases without killing the patient, cannot conduct laboratories that won't allow pathogens and diseases to escape, cannot even produce ballpoint pens, cannot make a reliable electronic product from appliances to cellphones to tvs......damn, so many common daily produced items and things China can't even get correctly or master, so how The Fk are they creating a hotter sun? More stolen technology and more BS fake claims!
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It has, Thorium molten salt reactors were first developed in USA in the 1965 by the Oak Ridge National laboratory.
Public Ignorance, is not a good attitude.
Spread the word.
Get the maga out of congress.
@@GaryPierron-ym7xmlololololololol
Quiet achievers vs all talk no action
Hold on.....Chinese can't build dams without falling apart killing hundreds, can't build bridges that won't stay up for more than a month, cannot build their own jets without 80% outside help and parts, cannot build high rise buildings that doesn't fall apart like tofu, cannot build ship engines that doesn't break down within a 100 miles, cannot make vaccines that won't kill the patient, cannot build ev vehicles that won't explode, cannot make weapons that has a better than a 33% chance of working, cannot build gps satellites that works, cannot build a tank without its wheels falling off during an exhibition, cannot launch rockets that won't stop exploding or falling on top of houses, cannot even keep their environment clean with the dirtiest smog air and chemical and heavy metal saturated water and soil, cannot produce enough food to feed a qurater of their starving children, cannot heal and eradicate any diseases without killing the patient, cannot conduct laboratories that won't allow pathogens and diseases to escape, cannot even produce ballpoint pens, cannot make a reliable electronic product from appliances to cellphones to tvs......damn, so many common daily produced items and things China can't even get correctly or master, so how The Fk are they creating a hotter sun? More stolen technology and more BS fake claims!
You should check out chinese state media, the only kind of media you find there.
They're quiet about human rights violations and extremely loud about even just the appearance of any kind of achievement.
The US was more interested in making nuclear weapons than in safe power production.
Exactly. The US was involved in Thorium reactor research decades ago, but decided to stop it as it does not involve uranium and plutonium which can be used to make nuclear weapons.
US only had spirit for selling planes & weapons, now alien had visited for several times, so US need prepare for alien invasion threat...
Obviously not often highlighted by MSM .
Maighty Amerikka inveentad dhis, cpp stool it an maek it tofu teknologhee
its because US can't digest other country growing so high, only way to stop country growth is threatening them and attacking them at last.
Congrats to China
Brilliant it's about time the west got up to speed
@@harrytaylor9117Well, you know this technology was originally developed by American Air Force but the Navy Admiral Rickover chose the current heavy water fission tech direction which produces weapons grade uranium.
Assuming this is accurate hopefully China will use this technology to stop bring the world’s largest polluter.
There's a will, there will a way for China 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
China has done something brilliant!
USA scientists did brilliant work in 1960 ...... Not the Chinese .... The Chinese profited from a disastrous USA deep state government that ruined the country ....
What sort of sanction is the US thinking of sabotaging China’s advance in the Thorium Reactor ……
Sanction #6,969 A....... ready to go already!
Yes!!! Do It !!! Sanction all Thorium Exports to China ! Start Sanction ...... Immediately !!!!
@@jaihindersinghmucho fentanilo ...
@@carloscalderon3051 relaiabel westan mediia seys cpp is maeking fentaniil disaasterr in Amerikka an maekiing dhem into jombiis
who cares, brics is the solution :)
Amazing achievement! 🎉🎉🎉
Way to go China!
The main reason is not China subsided companies. If there's subsidies, it is the investment in infrastructure which improves productivity for each single person, and any organizations.
It is also the efforts put on education that makes it possible to have large pool of manpower to make use of technology and make further advancement beyond.
For the development of a country education should be free and have quality but in India education is a business and thus the quality education is far for the poor.
Well, look at how Biden looks. He looks like a manager at a utility company. A tragedy for America.
@@navneetsomkuwar4499 For a non-aligned country, India is deeply entangled with the American education system and is thus part of our outright Ponzi scheme. In the best run nations, higher education is free and competitive, while lower education is non-ideological (as much as it can be) and of high objective standards. Are Indian children exposed to the Trans insanity in elementary school or are they being prepared for college? Is it the other way around? Follow the money.
Agree entirely. That is also why China is making incredible progress in many fields like energy, electronics, space research, medicine etc., China is coming, big time.
This sure sounds like trolling to me. China has huge issues but they continue to move along. If they had a real legal system that defended private property they would be much better off. Instead they focus all the governments efforts to stamp out the last vestige of individualism which in the end will be its downfall.
Thorium reactors are safe and will solve the power crisis - precisely why WEF countries aren't pursuing them. The tech is known, but the WEF megalomaniacs dont WANT to solve the crisis.
China is a part of the WEF and the US has done this back in the freaking 60's. The US buried 7 million pounds of their thorium nitrate stockpile. I don't think it's as profitable and that's what it boils down to.
@@exaltedone2799 China is part of the WEF, just for show, but laugh in their face.
Is this real or talk talk?
@@mikebreeden6071 look it up. The other catch - they can't be used to enrich uranium into weapons grade.
@@rinzler9775 Because they can't be used to make weapons is why Nixon cancelled research on them... I am well informed. It's why i want a reference to this. I don't find any but this one and it is supposed to be pretty new. Do you recommend a search that will lead to it?
It's not only one-party government, it's the wealth of engineers and STEM grad in a nation of 1.4 billion people. It's also China's decision to become a growth export economy with big energy needs. Russia by contrast has less interest in advancing this tech in the present, which I think it could, because of its petroleum industry. Ditto in the US, where the Green Delusion hustle is designed to fail and be as expensive as possible while we export LNG to Europe at 4X the prices of Russian pipeline gas.
Actually Russia already has a BFMSR using beryllium fluoride as the fuel carrier and moderator and using plutonium 239 because plutonium 239 is 50 times more energetic than uranium 235 and it has a lot of depleted and useless and
non-fissionable uranium 238 wastefully lying around. Like the passively self-cooling molten lead-cooled BREST reactor that uses natural convection to circulate the
self-cooling molten lead around the plutonium 239 nitride fuel rods, the BFMSR uses the beryllium fluoride to double the neutron count as it hits one beryllium fluoride molecule after another creating what we call as the "HYPER-DENSITY NEUTRON FLUX EFFECT" that can simultaneously reprocess the initial start up Pu 239 nuclear fuel as it fissions to produce heat to produce power and create a new replacement nuclear fuel and at the same time consume it's own nuclear wastes. Refueling became unnecessary. But with thorium fueled MSR reactors, the thorium fueled MSR reactors has to be refueled every 30 to 50 years depending on the thorium fueled MSR reactors' designs parameters. But both plutonium 239 fueled BFMSR reactors thorium fueled MSR reactors can also be designed to become breeder reactors to convert U 238 into PU 239 and Thorium into U233. But for now the plutonium 239 fueled BFMSR reactors are reserved only for military use and it will be sometime when the plutonium 239 fueled BFMSR reactors will be released for civilian use.
@@darthvader5300 Thanks for the details. My point is that the environment in which the tech is or is not developed depends on the motivations and resources available. With the petroleum industry and a lot of fissionable material lying around, what would be the point of investing in fusion now? A small population and a wealth of "fossil fuels" means the energy demand within Russia is more than covered. Had humanity not discovered the possibilities of nuclear power in the context of war, from a hypothetical starting point, fusion probably would have been a better choice. Perhaps a series of both fusion and fission reactors can be developed to consume as much nuclear waste materials as possible. This might be a place where AI design can help.
One party government seems to be working good for them as long as they keep their greedy capitalist in their place.
it's a meritocracy government.
Hold on.....Chinese can't build dams without falling apart killing hundreds, can't build bridges that won't stay up for more than a month, cannot build their own jets without 80% outside help and parts, cannot build high rise buildings that doesn't fall apart like tofu, cannot build ship engines that doesn't break down within a 100 miles, cannot make vaccines that won't kill the patient, cannot build ev vehicles that won't explode, cannot make weapons that has a better than a 33% chance of working, cannot build gps satellites that works, cannot build a tank without its wheels falling off during an exhibition, cannot launch rockets that won't stop exploding or falling on top of houses, cannot even keep their environment clean with the dirtiest smog air and chemical and heavy metal saturated water and soil, cannot produce enough food to feed a qurater of their starving children, cannot heal and eradicate any diseases without killing the patient, cannot conduct laboratories that won't allow pathogens and diseases to escape, cannot even produce ballpoint pens, cannot make a reliable electronic product from appliances to cellphones to tvs......damn, so many common daily produced items and things China can't even get correctly or master, so how The Fk are they creating a hotter sun? More stolen technology and more BS fake claims!
This is interesting and good. I hope they are successful
Could it be possible to use this source of energy to create blue hydrogen necessary especially for the heavy trucks operation? If possible, it seems China will become the largest environmentally source of energy soon. What a change of the current scenario where China has to import most of her energy!! The REAL SUPER POWER!
The reactor I believe is up and running 😇
There are lots of complicated issues with this kind of reactors. Furthermore, the author is very likely non-competent in what they say.
Chinese energy production and efficiency is futuristic.
Why the surprise? The Chinese has been saying they want to do Thorium reactor for 30 yrs now
China has faithfully, consistently & seriously researching and working on New Thorium Reactor as the best, safe, environmentally friendly energy/electricity source. it is said to safely power an aircraft carrier. China has the leading technology on Thorium reactor.
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China just had the take all the complete developments from USA to China ..... China did not invent anything. They just had to build what the USA politicians managed to stop.
They don't have a thorium reactor in an aircraft carrier yet....
Then why drinking water in china is not safe. I doubt , the safety of thronium reactor
Unlike nuclear reactors, the Thorium molten salt reactor is very safe, cost-effective (in construction, maintenance, water need, skills...), to say a few. As it can be built in desert ereas and in harsh environments, it'll be very useful to towns and villages in such places.
Molten salt reactors are nuclear reactors. Thorium just makes them more expensive and complicated. no safer and no better.
China built the TMSR-LF1 in the desert because it is very safe :-) Since when? A big problem of thorium reactors using thermic neutrons was their problematic controlling.
@@andreasschmitt2307 MSRs are self-controlling, you are mixed up.
@@chapter4travels
They would be self-controlling if they had a negative temperature coefficient, but this is hard to achieve for thermic breeders. The molten salt breeder of the Oak Ridge Labs for instance did have a slightly positive temperature coefficient. AFAIK is the chinese TMSR-LF1 based on the Oak Ridge design...
@@andreasschmitt2307 I should have been more specific, non-breeder MSRs have a negative temp. coefficient. Breeding thorium is dumb, uranium-based MSRs are a much better option at this point. Much simpler and cheaper. We can do breeders later and fast neutron breeders are much smarter.
Bravo China
Best part, they can be built in deserts because zero/nearly no water is needed.
Bravo. China !!
THE RISEOF THE DRAGON 😊
Building fafe reactors rather than nuclear weapons! What a novelty in this day and age!
We have enough refined Thorium Ingots buried but easily accessible in the Mid West to supply all of the USA's power needs for the next 10,000 years, and we have enough easily accessible thorium in the ground to provide essentially unlimited energy for millions of years. The USA invented and prototyped this technology at Oak Ridge. Problems remain for the molten salt reactor but that does not mean that engineering other improved designs will not work. China is using a solid chip reactor for example. How far along is China with their solid chip reactor? We are so much further ahead with the Thorium reactors compared to Fusion reactors and prototype Thorium reactors are much less expensive per Kilowatt hour produced than present Fusion prototype reactors. The promise of Thorium power is very great, however the hurdles, spoken and unspoken, are also daunting.
What's a solid chip reactor?
Also, what's the name of where the ingots are stored? I'd like to research that a bit
@@MrGottaQuestionNice question. Being far away in China we can't easily find all the details. Solid chip reactor would indicate by name that the reactor is extracting heat from reactions from solid chips of Thorium.
Norway for example uses neutrons produced from Uranium fission to stimulate the reactions in Thorium. You can look up how Thorium reacts and what the reaction products are. Again look up Kirk Sorensen at the links I provided to get all the details. Don't be lazy, it is all available for you to explore.
I couldn't find anything on a "chip" reactor... is it maybe a pebble bed reactor?
The main problem with thotium is that it uses molten salt, which is much more corrosive
Small-scale modular reactors (Prototype and Research Facility)
The reactor, a two-megawatt liquid-fueled thorium molten salt reactor (MSR), is located in the Gobi Desert city of Wuwei in Gansu province and is operated by the Shanghai Institute of Applied Physics of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
The permit, issued by the Chinese National Nuclear Safety Administration on June 7 2023, allows the Shanghai Institute to operate the reactor for 10 years and it will start by testing operations. The permit specifies that the Shanghai Institute is responsible for the safety of the reactor and must comply with all relevant laws, regulations and technical standards.
However, a number of technical, regulatory and economic challenges will have to be overcome if the reactors are to be deployed successfully on a large scale, according to industry experts.
India has already started using Thorium in its Fast Breeder Reactors in 2nd stage of three stage nuclear program..And India has the largest Thorium reserve in the world
That's it. Thorium has been known for a long time but the technology was not implemented to offer clean energy to the population. Very cheap, yet not weaponizable.
It is not weaponizable that's why the US is not interested.
Thorium reactors are not new. India built its first thorium reactor 20 years ago. The life of radioactive waste is the same as uranium. And it is half efficient. After few years of operation, switched back to using uranium. Refunds.
Thorium pellet tecnology is a dead end - molten salt is a different beast.
India is already working on Thorium and recently got great success..
More important message of one party blessing than thorium energy is the crux of the magic.
... One of the reasons behind was that thorium does not contain fissile isotope. However, this problem can be circumvented through the utilization of plutonium in spent nuclear fuel of LWR . Another reason is that plutonium is the artificially produced material per se, thus there was no adequate amount of plutonium in the 1970"s to power thorium reactors.
Thorium reactors don't need plutonium to run. They use the thorium fuel cycle, breeding u232
@@MrGottaQuestion Irradiated Thorium is more dangerously radioactive in the short term. The Th-U cycle invariably produces some U-232, which decays to Tl-208, which has a 2.6 MeV gamma ray decay mode. Bi-212 also causes problems. These gamma rays are very hard to shield, requiring more expensive spent fuel handling and/or reprocessing.
Reactors that use thorium are operating on what’s called the Thorium-Uranium (Th-U) fuel cycle. The vast majority of existing or proposed nuclear reactors, however, use enriched uranium (U-235) or reprocessed plutonium (Pu-239) as fuel (in the Uranium-Plutonium cycle), and only a handful have used thorium.
Realy I like it they are so powerful and intelligent
Cheap Energy = Cheaper Production = More Competitive = Better Economy
...China invests strategically for the future and are not concerned with short term distractions such as winning the next election.
Cheap energy is key to their economic success and supporting such a large population.
I can't help it I always love it when a story about electricity uses the word shocked.
There are at least three errors in this video. 1) China's new thorium reactor is a small test of thorium technology and not a finished commercial design. It is an effort to identify and fix problems that will accompany the new thorium technology. 2) U-233 is a fissile material suitable for bomb making. 3) U-238 is depleted uranium and is neither dangerously radioactive nor is it suitable for bomb making. If you put it in with U-233 it will absorb a neutron and become Pu-239... bomb material and disposal problem.
I love this country
Go China go.
Love an respect from India
China is building 450 nuclear power plants using thorium reactors? That’s a lot. This certainly will help transforming from carbon emitting energy to green energy. Oil is not only polluting environment, it also created Middle East geopolitics.
The original thorium based nuclear reactor was developed in the US at the Oak Ridge Energy Research facility. It was intended to power bombers and navy ships and ran successfully for two years. It was abandoned due to the requirement for enriched uranium and plutonium for atom and hydrogen bombs. The problem is the chemistry involved in keeping the solution from poisoning the reaction. One hopes they have solved this problem and are not just discarding it.
China is also eyeing the thorium MSR for marine applications. One of the dirtiest polluting sectors is shipping. Ships use fuel that is one step above tar. China has the largest merchant fleet in the world.
I still remember the days, when China's energy problem and that they had to beg the French to teach them the nuclear power plant tech to generate enough electricity (and cheap electricity) for everyone. In the village where we lived, we had to conserve energy like air conditioners during the summer or the entire electric power grid would go down. It was just a mere 30-40 years ago's old memory of ours..... and look what the country has become, despite what the United States keeping telling the world Russia and China are evil. If WH is that of a saint, they should look after their people first thru their "fair and open" election of their "democractic" system. I feel sorry for many lower ranks Americans, who have no chance in getting out of that cycle. When they die off, America will just get more immigrants to do the lower ranks work as replacement of them. Land of the free, what a joke.
As a Chinese, I want to say, don't put China and Russia together.
@@odysliu9235 China and Russia weren't supposed to be together, don't forget they took a lot of our land under the Peking/Beijing Treaty. Vlotistok was supposed to be our port. However, this is like 三国， there is no permenant friend or enemy, just alignment. The US + Russia + China relationship is such that, US forced Russia and China together, so it is what it is and maybe so for the next 20 years. Us as Chinese people need to look at the reality and act accordingly. Russia has top tech in military + Raw materials & energy, that China lacks; while China has the middle part like manufacturing. This is a perfect coupling pair, and since USA is determined to destroy China and Russia, so it's just a natural alliance for survival sake.
Estados Unidos se partira en varios pedazos y terminara pobre ...
Mind your words at the beginning of your comments.
@@magicsmurfyAre you being real, or just quoting passages from the book "1984".
There are some inaccuracies in this video, anyway, thank you for bringing up this topic.
You got almost everything right there
We have been hearing about Thorium since the late 60s and hearing it would save Nuc ENergy since at least the the early 80s. And yet here were are in the 2020s and it is still the next thing in Nuc.
Sort of, but not really. Nixon killed the molten salt experiment project for political reasons, then the coal and gas lobby forced the NRC to be created to kill their only competition. The nuclear industry did nothing to help themselves either.
Fast forward to 2011 +/- and Kirk Sorensen resurrects the now de-classified ORNL MSR documents and gives his famous TED talk. That opened the gates.
Fast forward again (Well with nuclear there is nothing fast) to 2023 and there are dozens of MSR or some variant start-up companies racing to be first to market. No one knows if this Chinese reactor is real or viable but companies like Terrestrial Energy in Canada is real and more than halfway through a joint US-Canadian licensing review. Most of these companies have abandoned thorium and stuck with uranium, a better option.
come back in 20 years
and than it takes 20 years to build
and 20 more for testing
The US simply did not see the potential of this power system. No vision on the part of our leaders. So we openly gave all our Tech on the subject to China. They will do something with it.
My revulsion towards the British government as the UK could of done this but pandered to the controlling powers a sickening act of submission in the wrong direction.
It has been known since 1953, but the US chose a different path
China and Russia together are the only real superpower, evil NATO is a small poodle compare to those two giants !!!
I am not a physicist, but I understand enough to know that this decision is a no-brainer. Watch the video to find out why. The fact that the process was developed and refined at the Oakridge Laboratories in America in the 1960s gives the project total credibility. As the commentator says, the system was not taken up in America because it does not produce the uranium needed for the development of nuclear fusion hydrogen bombs which America wanted during the Cold War with Russia.
The biggest problem with vulgarized science reporting is that they almost always confuse R&D with actual, operating technology. We see this all the time. China does have a thorium molten salt reactor research program but they are many years away from a working reactor and may never be successful. That is just the way R&D works, the outcome is never preordained.
I like the fact that you are discerning. We see this market overhang also with new battery technologies. Do you know the details of how far along China has gotten with their research program. If you have informed sources of additional information perhaps you can supply some links so we can get more up to date on their progress.
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The problem is you don't understand the chinese. They quite like the way how you thinking. The "DEMO" unit mean for chinese is very much different with you. It's already a workable reactor passed all the requirements in lab and able to gain "go ahead" from chinese government. Then they'll reaching in current state. They want to gain more knowledge to how to build and operate with safe and eficient rather than create it.
This "DEMO" unit is more like demostrate to the public. The chinese "DEMO' unit was connected to the power grid. They'll continue to R&D the issues found during the initial operation, challeges for commercially operation. Main issue was the first the output still very small 10MW, next reactor will be 5-10 times larger before large scale production. They not in hurry, their 1st Gen IV htgr reactor already started initial commercial operation at october 2023. Large scale mass production in 2-3 years if smooth.
This progress is very good for all humankind.
This is a direct descendant of the Oak Ridge MSRE reactor in the 1960's. They took the information from that program that was saved and made available by Kirk Sorenson around 2010 and used it as the basis of their research. The primary reason why the US cannot pursue new reactor programs is that the NRC is so structured as to prevent it. If anyone is genuinely interested in this look up the recent work done by Jack Devanney at The Gordian Knot who from deep industry knowledge explains why the US nuclear industry cannot innovate. Also very readable.
Indeed. We could have Thorium LFTR in 1970 ..... if there would have been honest politicians and not satanic crooks.
Molten salt reactor technology was tested between 1965 and 1969 with only 50% reliability and they're still trying to figure out what to do with some of the wastes. I hope the Chinese or anyone else have better luck.
Automibile was invented in Germany, but United States made it into mass production and changed the world. So the Thorium. That's power of globalization.
Exactly what the world needs. Western countries and oil companies keep dismissing the threat of global warming issue/sea changes. China is doing the most heavy lifting for a change 😮😮😮
Congratulation to Chinese Nuclear Scientists for this very positive technological breakthrough
You still need water to condense the steam back to liquid to run through again. About 2/3 of the energy a reactor creates, passes through the steam turbines and is lost as the water is condensed again. Even gas cooled reactors need lots of water for cooling the steam that you run through a steam generator even though no water at all is used in the reactor and steps are taken to keep it out.
How are they going to stop the heavy corrosion the Indians experienced.
where is the footage of working thoriom reactor ?
If this is successful, it obviates the need for fusion - at least for the foreseeable future.
True.
WEST countries might thinking like that. But chinese not like that. Every 3 years technology advancement/replacement in a product could be need a decade at other countries. Chinese still thinking the speed is not quick enough.
Awesome beautiful love it thanks for that information😮
Rather than tipping money down the drain on windmills and other dead end tech, this is the tech everybody should be refining.
Wish our government has a brain
BRAVOS CHINA,
Congratulations great jobs well done Smart THINKING genius for engineering technology of modern WEAPONS and unlimited ENERGY.
RESPECT and appreciated thanks
Wow..
any word on how the Chinese solve the corrosive molten salt issue?
Cheers
just put on corrosive politicians and it will resorb
Secret. National Security
Probably New discoveries in material science allowed for corrosion resistent alloys.
However, as @Ghe480 states, its going to be a secret.
China mengakalinya dengan ember plastik
Wait, they are going to steal that technology from the US (which does not have the technology).
Australia bann even talk about future most advanced energy production...insanity!
Any stock about this??
Wish Australia had a Leader that would help its citizens get cheaper power the price of power is out of control many people are having their power cut off
We're run by imbeciles
By the time the molten salt reactors were being tested the US already had enough plutonium-239 for 5,000 weapons. There were less than 500 useful targets in the Soviet Union and China combined. The Navy had used molten sodium coolant in its first reactor and took that reactor out of the Sea Wolf after only two years because it was too complicated to use and was not very reliable. Even though sodium cooled is not the same as molten salt it still left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. Elsewhere in the weapons complex they were already discovering what happens when you mix alpha emmmiters with fluorine compound's. Unfortunately since it wasn't reported many of us got to discover that all over again. As we tried to find a source of neutrons that we could not explain.
Well, China has perfected everything else, they might as well perfect this as well.
I've been advocating thorium reactors for 20 years. I made a friend aware of thorium years ago. He was a nuclear physicist who worked for the DOE for years. Uh... why did I have to explain thorium reactors to nuclear physicists? I spent a few years in alternative energy. My conclusion after years of building was nuclear is the only real option for energy generation. Don't get me going on this. When a third world country is building an advanced thorium reactors.... which the US shunned in the 1950's. Yup, we (US)knew about thorium as an energy source way back then.
Why corrosive salt? Can some other carrier be used? How about liquid glass?
Norway made a functional thorium reactor in 1958.
Very old tech.
You won't hear this on the news.
Short term: Elysium Industries fast reactor
Medium term: LFTR
Long term: fusion
Why would people be shocked at China doing this? I find the opportunity cost of the rest of the world NOT doing this commercially for the past 60 years far more shocking than the fact that China can duplicate 60yo US tech in modern times.
The reason why no one pursued thorium is that it cannot last long due to the use of molten salt
We ran a LFTR at OakRidge in the 60's. They are not new. We just abandoned the tech and china downloaded it. Our DOE is blocking our development
5 cents is incredibly expensive. Most of that must be government taxation
Given the number of big-ticket construction projects going belly-up in China, I would not be happy about being near one of those. And Thorium has some very particular problems involved, including hefty emission of hard gamma rays.
Good for them the US just sat on this technology for 6 decades. Glad someone actually pulled the trigger.
GO CHINA! I hope this helps all humanity!
Very good inventions for mankind
Good for China! Team China All The Way!👍🙂
Is the reactor operational, or is it still being built ? I get the impression that they are still working on it.
Neither. It was finished in 2021 but is not operational until now. I think they did run into the same problems than everybody else who tried this.
The Chinese reactor was commissioned in dec 2022. In June 2023 it was given an operational permit. Meaning it is generating power (apparently 2 Megawatts). It will still take time to make it a product.
@@koonsiang0345
No, until now it's not generating power. The operational permit making the news means that it still takes a while. It will not start this year.
Awesome!
If this were true, China would not build another hydroelectric power plant.
The reactor may be cooled with molten salt, but the generator needed for electricity, needs water converted to steam to drive the turbine. So I have no idea how you can have a generator station in the Gobi Desert without a source of water.
Thats a great point. Maybe a closed water cycle to drive the turbine?
Totally wrong
There are other Media than water.
And the law T1^4 - T2^4
The reactor can run at much higer temperatures so no need for water.
Water ca be divided to O2 and H2 by heat . CO2 taken from air and hydrocarbons made.
No need for oil or gas.
Could be a Sterling motor driving the turbine. No water is necessary.
Well done China. Leading the way without conflicts or wars. ❤ China .
Thorium Reactor is not used in the west because of the fuel costs. Thorium is cheap and eats nuclear waist. Both are huge money makers for the few.
Thorium, or fusion, is the power that is needed for space exploration.
The reactor the chinese have built is the TMSR-LF1. This is not a "thorium" reactor: it is a uranium burner with some thorium used as an additive. The majority of the power comes from the fissioning of U235, just like a conventional reactor. It is no more a "thorium reactor" than a car running on E5 (5% ethanol; 95% regular gasoline) has an "ethanol engine".
India has been trying for ages, having the world's largest thorium reserves.
When did 'heatwave season", become a thing?
Weve known about thorium reactors for sixty years and have done nothing. It all adds up to politicians lies and confusion.If the Chinese have broken through the problems of thorium, we can just copy their designs as they do ours. What patents?
The so far unresolved problem with Thorium reactors is material science. Metals becomes brittle in that environment.
I haven't heard anything about China solving those problems.
Until then, this is testing or prototyping, with far to go until commersial production.
But if China succeeds, that's a huge deal!
We, except for the US of course, wish them luck!
You hit the nail on the American political system. Just 2 parties, they throwing stones, spanners and bullets at each other. China with ONE party get things built within few years and now over taking the US in all fields and technologies. In the UK, the systems 😂. One year 3 pm ( sun setting 😂) The brits😵🥵😵🥵🙈🙈
Not really in a bigger picture . To become a leader of one party that needs the merit of proven performent result even you start from the bottom. Certainly not rhetoric blaming, slandering, lying, corruption and so on. 2party is just a smoke screen to suger coat DEMOCRAZY .
Democracy was good at the beginning not untill the lobbying became prevalent corruption norm. They are the POTUS maker.😱
Kent Brockman: I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Democracy simply doesn't work.
When pigs fly.
I think politics for the past 40-50 years and oil industry lobbying has delayed American energy tech growth. We could have had thorium energy and amazing hybrid vehicles many years ago.
A strange element Thorium , was & still used to coat RADIO , valves cathodes to increase electrons & is non radioactive !
Nuclear energy's TRUE cost is never calculated as the hundreds of years of maintenance and security to HOPEFULLY secure the radioactive ☢ waste are IGNORED
Thorium msr waste has a very short half life and can consume a lot of the old uranium reactor waste as fuel blend
As noted, the US was experimenting with thorium reactors 50-60 years ago but went the uranium route which was needed to build nukes. The thorium reactor research was dropped. More money for GE and Westinghouse for the humongous uranium reactors..
The US will announce it's discovery and the Chinese will build it. It's not easy to realize a project without government support and fundings.