Going….ORANGE??? Allis-Chalmers 200 repair begins
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Here we begin repair on the Allis Chalmers 200 that belongs to a customer 
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Hydraulic actuated independent PTO was an option on the 200 AC.
Yeah but it still stopped turning when you stepped on the foot clutch. Dad’s 200 has this option.
@@rosstheoliverman Oh yeah it was only independent via the Power Director. Forgot about that. Guess it was semi independent. Some people liked that though, they could stop the tractor and PTO quickly with the foot clutch in case something went into an implement that shouldn't.
The D series hand clutch was a two range system, same as this one. It was the WD and WD45 that were single speed in-or-out.
I would like to get a 1855 just like yours that was my first tractor fender tanks and all
It’s one of my favorites for sure!
Loved that style of AC , can’t wait for the fix it vidio . Thanks Ross
Thanks Mark!
Great video, Ross. Thank you fpr explaining the AC way of designing things. Think I will just stay with the Oliver way. Thanks for sharing. Go Buddy.
Thanks Keith!
Nothing like the whistle of a turbo.
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Thanks Paul!
Ross looks like frustration on the Allis Chalmers. Thanks Michael
🤣 thanks Michael!
like some orange action every now and then
Thanks Marty!
Not sure how you manage it, but I love that you put out a video everyday.
Thanks! It ain’t easy 🤣
There is four bolts in the bottom of the tank it not to bad to take the tank off that is how I did my 190 then you can kleen around those steel lines
That is how I always do it as well. It is easier to do it that way, you can get everything out of the way
If he wasn’t in a hurry for it I’d probably take it more apart
Ross’s orange man(erm tractor) bad therapy session. Talkin himself into going in there again. 😅
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We had a 200 Allis Chalmers and it was junk. Nothing but a big headache
Typically I think they’ve been pretty reliable around here. But there’s a lot of things that can leak on them.
We went with hoses when we reran our remotes.
I’m pretty sure that’s what I did on dad‘s.
That's funny you hit on all the issues I had with them . The late xt190'S Had flat top fenders. Roll baling with one and hydraulic tie. You are as busy as a 1 armed wall paper hanger. I've always wanted to take a 7000 with true live power (they made them both ways) and put 200 metal on it .Favorite all time style of sheet metal.
7000 definitely has a lot more bells and whistles. The cab wasn’t that bad once you got inside
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Thanks Tom!
We could have a long discussion about the power director. it's just oil drag that moves it when in neutral.
Somewhat yes. But when guys slip them too much I’ve seen the discs warp.
You know you want one of those big A/C’s 😂 a feller has to diversify every once in a while. I run green tractors, but when it comes to implements I don’t discriminate too much 😂
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I believe you have to pull front axle to remove oil pan🤔
I think so too 😭
I figured you would have Googled it on the device you carry. I see a lot of similarities to the Allis CA that we had. Especially the fact that they kept failing to make a real live PTO. The older ones simply de-clutched one axle as Allis figured the only time one needed to stop and keep the PTO live was when you were using their round balers.
Yeah the CA had that axle clutch but I figured it was probably perfect for those Roto balers. Thanks Gary!
I also like the long nose body style of the late 60's/early 70's Allis Chalmers. Growing up in Washington Co the most AC equipment I remember over there was mostly Simplicity lawn and garden stuff.....LOL..........that place was mostly saturated with IH and JD stuff as far as serious farm equipment is/was concerned.
They definitely had their areas where they were more popular
Fake news! Allis offered the OPTION of a live PTO. The live PTO setup would have the handle on the side of the side console where that cap is about middle of it on this one. If you didnt have the live PTO option you PTO handle was on the floor like the one your working on. Dont blame Allis for the PTO setup, blame cheap old farmers!
Fake news to you! Dad’s 200 has that hydraulically engaged PTO and it’s still stops when you step on the clutch.
@@rosstheoliverman sounds like we're hung up on semantics here. Allis offered a Live PTO option, which allows you to stop movement while the PTO continues to runs using the Power Director. But if your talking about an Independent PTO, where you can both stop forward motion and change gears/direction while your PTO runs, then no, they didnt have that on those tractors.
@@rosstheoliverman Probably my 2nd favorite sounding engine in a tractor after the 4-53 . I would have one today if AC had not stuck with their stupid hand clutch so long. That hydraulic pto kik-in gained you nothing useful. I would like to talk to the engineer on that fiasco. I rember the first time I sat on a 200 at an auction and saw the hydraulic pto lever . I was so excited till I pushed in the foot clutch.😢😢 Glad I tried it out before I bid on it.😉
@@petepeeff5807The hand clutch was the best part of those tractors. Way better than anything of the same era imo.
@@codyrooker4551 Yes I agree, when they were competing agienst IH, H's and M's JD, A's, B's but by the early 60's they were falling behind. Don't get me wrong I like all brands and colors have farmed with a bunch of em worked on even more. But I'm not afraid to call out shortcomings on any brand.
What made Milwaukee famous..... made Allis engineers.....💩🤣🤣 Thanks for explaining the power director, I didn't know the throttle was in the console too.
🤣 I like the side console
The throttle on this series seemed to depend on who designed them. Lots of models had the throttle in the console, others had it to the right of the instrument panel. Seemed to be two schools of thought.
Nice explanation on the pto. Sounds a nightmare to bale or chop with.
If you got used to it it would be OK but it’s hard to switch back-and-forth I think.
I have a spot in my shed you can put your at 1855 looks identical to the one I grew up on
🤣 thanks, but that’ll be one of the last ones that leaves here 🤣
@rosstheoliverman hahahaha, that's funny, you can't blame the guy for trying, hahahaha.
Wonder it the engineers ever had to disassemble one of these marvels? Some tractors are fairly straightforward to work on. Others seem like you have to remove numerous parts to get at the culprit causing the problem.
I don’t think engineers ever worry about having to work on it later 🤣🤣🤣
I believe Allis had an advertising line that went like; "Going Orange is going great!" Is that where you are headed?
I never heard that before!
What a pain in the ass to get to those hydraulic hoses! Just cut all those shields out with a torch. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I think you did good by putting the two side by side. It really was a good comparison between the two. Liked the body styles on both, although I have to say the oliver would have been my choice. Just looked taller with more visibility. See you soon.
Thanks Jonathan!
I thought the 200s were redesigned from the 190XT. I didn't realize they were so similar. From my experiences with my 190XT, I would have second thoughts on accepting a 200, even if you were giving it to me. The 190XT was too new of a tractor for that PTO setup. You need to bw able to hit the clutch and the PTO still run. Those 3pts look and act like a aftermarket add on. The one on my 190 won't even pick up my 3pt drill high enough empty to turn. Im having issues now with the fuel lines. I have good flow to just in front of the operator platform, and then a trickle when it jumps up a little going over the bell housing to the filter. Ive had the line off and blown it out. Im ready to add a low flow electric pump on it to see if that changes anything. Granted, its a old tractor but i think it was way behind compared to the other manufacturers at the time. I admit, they are nice looking tractors but that doesn't get work done. I use mine for round baling, and its not so bad once you get used to it. I also run the square baler with it on flat ground, but running a brush cutter with it gets sketchier.
The 200 is basically a 190 XT. The 7000 was a completely new design
Buddy!
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Ross "the Allis-Chalmers Man" has a nice ring to it! Is that 34 or 38 rear tires?
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Did they change that hi/lo at all? I’ve seen other 200s that the lever moves forward and back but it sits in a notch in the console instead of having to push the top of the lever down. Did they change anything else as well that you know of?
They changed the handle to that flat style with the notches that you’re talking about. I didn’t like that one as well.
@@rosstheoliverman Seems like it’s harder to throw into gear quickly. Still a 190xt or 200 is on my list of tractors I want
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Side by side the Oliver looks better
I like them both but I agree 🤣
Reminds me of the Andy Griffith skit that includes the lines about his "Big Orange Drink" and I don't know what all czcams.com/video/oNxLxTZHKM8/video.html
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The Allis dosen't compare very good to a 1855. 1855 is bigger framed better built machine. Now if you only need pto work then the Allis might be ok.
They are the same HP. Actually the 200 is probably comparable to the 1955.
@rosstheoliverman would the Ford offering of that time period be the 7000?
Looks like staying with the Oliver line would be easier,to much sadness and animal noises on that one,even though some of it would be entertaining
Thanks Doug!
Orange problems abound designed not for easy repair
Thanks Stephen!
Ross the poor engineering may be allis got bought up!
They had some good ideas. Mergers were mainly results of business dealings.
Why did they do it that way? The conspiracy-theory cynic in me says they did it to make their dealers more money from longer service calls hourly rate. The depressive guy in me says it was cheaper to build it that way.
They probably just didn’t think it through in the long term 🤣