TYRE AND WHEEL RIM CHOICES | BUILDING THE BEST 2-PERSON OVERLAND TOURER IN THE WORLD | 4xOverland
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- I choose and fit the wheels and tires for new hero Toyota Land Cruiser Troopcarrier.
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When you say that wide tyres don’t have any advantage, do you mean for overlanding? For overlanding in Australia? I guess they have advantages on certain terrains, like sand or snow. Don’t they? I’ve arrived from three weeks in Iceland and I was totally shocked by the absolutely massive tyres A LOT of 4x4s have over there. I suppose that might be somehow justified and that it is not only a trend. What do you have to say? Thanks!
I've noticed that folks that don't want to chop out their fender wells and the like or go for big lifts like narrower tires. Skinnier tires can be taller and still tuck up inside your fenders when you're flexing. Aired down, a skinnier taller tire will actually still have a larger footprint than a wider, shorter tire. They have less rolling resistance, more downward bite, they steer better in the front at least. Even most mud boggers I know like the narrow stuff, but when you get into man-made mudholes, or the snow in Iceland, your skinny tire will probably sink up to your axles or over the hood of your car before you reach the actual ground. Skinny's also take up less room and weigh less. I think wide tires are popular because so many people run aggressive, wide mud tires on their full size trucks and they will be drive on pavement whereas narrow tire feels a little more squirmy. I find that the normal width wide tires seen almost trucks spin out less easily on pavement and feel more stable
Here in Iceland we have the same dilemma. Over all hight is always king to float on snow but then you have arguements that skinny tires work better on light jeeps with litte power and wide for the others. But most agree and talk about how high tires they choose. F.x. for long highland or glacier trips 38 inch is standard on light pickups, 44-46 inches on medium size jeeps and 54 inches for the heavy american trucks.
But with tires like that we can let them down to even 1 psi and then the jeeps footprint on the snow will get lighter then a humans.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you!
Chicks love my 285 tyres stance so am for wide all the way 😅😅
Wider tyres perform worse on sand than a narrower tyre, it's the bigger outside rolling diameter that makes the better performance on sand by making a longer foot print.
Would have gone for a 235/85r16 on the original steel rims.
I guess its just me but I find 90% of aftermarket wheels to be be downright tacky or ugly. I actually like the look of the basic steel dish wheel.
look up the Rotiform STL.
@@cromulentparty Yeah, I like em. Forged aluminum is great but $1100 per wheel is steep (for me, anyway)
I agree. Something about them just looks right on the Cruiser in Grey. I'm actually widening mine to 8 inch for the next set of tyres.
It's not just you.
Same, and in fact the tyres aren’t bad either. I’ve never seen Andrew in a situation where such aggressive tyres are absolutely essential, never. So the normal tyres are fine.
255 85 r16 All day, my 76 loves them. Maybe if you start using them your influence will assist in more places carrying them.
Still not common in the outback though. So he could find himself in a dilemma.
Popular demand could fix this... I'm pretty sure many people want 33s that are not too wide.
They are hard to find even in the states. Though the Toyota crowd is the primary user of them even in the US as the 255/85 allows a Tacoma or 4 Runner to fit 33s with only a 2 inch lift with no fender rub, the 285/75 size requires some cutting in the wheel well to fit without rubbing even with up to a 4 inch lift. And the Tacoma and 4 Runner are by far the most popular overlanding vehicles in the US.
@@mrvwbug4423 Defender enthusiasts also rate them highly.
@@mrvwbug4423 It gets discussed in the Xterra groups as well. We can fit 285 without a lift (barely) although most thrown 2 inch lift. But there is a growing group who swear by 255s, and I'm sure more would consider it if they were more available (myself included).
Wow! That blue colored Troopy with those wheels is outstanding!
To be honest, I am disappointed with those rims. They look like they belong on a Ford Ranger. I would have gone steel 100%
Yes, totally agree. They look a little juvenile on the troopy.
@@gofaroverland7854 Also agree, a bit too "bling" for the build. Please Andrew no chrome accents next! 🙃
True! Steelies and then tall and thin. Those wheels looks bling bling. But hey they're free. If he had paid for I'd unsubscribe 😂
Just wrong on the troopy .
Yes to all these comments…..the stock tyres and rims are perfect. “Performance” isn’t necessarily tied into a wider tyre.
Could have kept the stock rims + 235/85r16. Thin and tall, common size, same size as you have now.
Needs to come up with an excuse to fit the fancy alloys he's been given.
I also follow "the road chose me". It's very interesting the two different approaches to overlanding. Here you are taking off steel and replacing with alloy and he is taking off alloy and replacing with steel.
@@conloubser you don’t feel Andrew does “real overlanding”?
Standard is easier to replace..... I like my Toyota alloys. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Love your work
This tyre/wheel combination falls in an aesthetic category that will win the hearts and praise of South Africa’s finest Brannas enthusiasts
Honestly.. those simple grey steelies look the best!
Thank you for carefully describing the nature of your relationship with ROH and Falken. It gives your channel much more credibility than if you had skirted over that or even concealed the nature of the deal. It's not a minor thing either - around $4k for the 5 wheels and tyres I expect.
Having it explained properly as part of the video, not a footnote hidden in tiny print, and knowing he approached them because he rated them, rather than he's put them on cos they were free, makes a big difference. It's why when people suggest he start taking proper promotions on I baulk. Can you imagine a Manscaped promotion in one of his videos?
@@j3652 I remember watching one of Andrew's vid a few years back regarding sponsorship, it was quite entertaining pity CZcams has hidden it now...
@@j3652 you can’t just say because he rated them. You have to qualify that term. Rated them highly for example. Because I often rate things too, but rate them poorly. Using the term rated must be suffixed with qualification as to how they are rated.
It’s like rated recovery points. Useless term on it’s own without the rating stated. They might be rated to only 1000kg and therefore be useless. A toweye is rated, but not for a snatch recovery. I wish people knew how to use English.
@@jerrymyahzcat it's quite clearly a common usage, and it's meaning is clear, as demonstrated by the fact you have told me how you think I ought to have phrased it. Why take the time to post this?
@@j3652 it’s not a common usage. It’s only recently become an incorrect way to say what you really mean.
The blue and black is really nice on the Troopy. Really old-school cool look.
Watching this video and reading through these comments is great to see 255/85s have an appreciation. I'm tossing up between sticking with 235/85 or going with the 255s next round.
If you've got a Troopy, they are a really good size. I think they are a couple of mm taller than the OEM tyre size of 225/95. Speedo gets marginally more accurate. And when you air down you get a really good long footprint.
I was so hoping for 255's 😢 Great Vid anyway Andrew looks good cheers ..
Personal choices, but having spent many miles travelling around Afghanistan I would insist upon a steel wheel rim for reliability and reparability factors. 7.50r16s or 235/85r16 are the only tyre choices for quick resupply.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I don't understand Aluminum rims for off road vehicles.
You read my mind. Even aesthetically, the blue/gray steelies looked really good on the troopy.
guys remember that this is his business too. He needs to make deals with suppliers. It is not only about what works best
Problem is he will drive on pavement half the time and he isn't being shot at. Wieght I'd his number 1 concern
This vehicle will be going to outback Australia, not Afghanistan, and with one spare you can get to the next town where LandCruiser rims are plentiful. Alloy rims are actually stronger overall believe it or not just can't be repaired track side, but are also lighter. Overall they actually are better, unless you are days away from access to replacement rims for your vehicle.
Very nice choice. They look really good.
I like how you have explained your thought process and how you have drawn your conclusions.
Black and Blue looks awesome!! Love the rims nice choice 👍 I’m a Toyo guy but any 3-ply MT deserves a that’a boy
And the build begins!
Loving the look of the blue trooper.
Good video. I put Wildpeak AT3s on my rig and they’ve been the best tyres I’ve owned. Still an aggressive tread, however perform like a road tyre on the bitumen and wet. Enjoy the new wheels and tyres - they look great. Cheers Mark
Looks mint and the blue is such a nice colour.
I love the Toyota grill! I have Falken Wildpeak AT3W (285/70/17) on my FJ Cruiser, super quiet and very very good road handling. Glad to see Andrew recommending the brand.
Those rims and tyres look fantastic
Really pumped for this series Andrew! Congrats on the new Rig.
Love it, can't wait for the next video..
I just wish that beautiful vehicle was available all over the world ...
You and me both! I would love to get my hands on one of these.
i know that in Portugal and USA it's not...
Nice choice. I run KO2’s in 265/75 R16 on 16x7” steelies. They work for me.
Love the Evocorse Dakar rims for off-roaders. Beautiful and very high quality.
The 265s look spot on on the troopy Andrew, perfect size, and the 235 85s also.
loving the black and blue contrast, really nice look so far.
look forward to the build as always 👌
Awesome rims. My Ranger had these ROH Vapours and now ordered a set for my new Y62 Patrol.
I 100% agree Andrew I too prefer skinny tall tyers. The other 32" tyre would have been 235 85 16 .
This build is a beauty.
Love the black and blue
I agree with a lot of the other comments about 255/85r16 tyres, these are a far better option for overlanding than a 285 or 265. I think this is a size that should be getting a lot more attention. The height and track width of the tyre accompanied by an elongated footprint make it superior to the wider options. Just look at what the army and emergency services use for real offroading. . .definitely not wide tyres.
The army and emergency does not do hard off roading because there is no logic for them to do that. it is also price and breakdowns calculated.
Makes me feel good, I choose 255/85-16 yokohama muddies for my 100 series. I'm in the states and most guys frowned upon my narrow tire choice, as wide mud tires on lifted trucks is the nom around here. However the yokos have a nice square profile and grip tenaciously on rocky terrain so far.
I don’t think Andrew likes the Yokos for some reason.
Gorgeous
Another plus one on the falken wildpeak, great tyres
Excellent Choice of Rims & Tyres Andrew. Bring on the rest of the build.
Once again Andrew clear information and I now can say I’ve chosen my next set of tyres, thank you.
And we’re off to a good start. 👌🏾
I was in exactly the same dilemma for my Troopy build. Really wanted to stay with skinnier tyres after years of 235/85s on Defenders.
I ended up with 255/85 on 16" alloys and I think they are excellent. I went BFG KM3 mud tyres because you can't get a KM2 all Terrain in 255/85, sadly.
I'm only going with 1 spare. Have done thousands of Kms outback carting around 2 spares and never needed both. So I guess, watch me need 2 spares sometime in the near future having said that.
We did the Border Track last week (on the SA/Victoria border) and it was as wet and muddy as. Tyres were fantastic. Lots of confidence. Other vehicles slipping around like mad but the 255/85 KM3s made it look easy.
Cheers - David
I was up that way playing in the mud a couple of weeks ago too. Same size tyres but Yokohama Geolandar MT G003 on my Defender having lots of fun. They seemed to clear the clay mud better than my previous muddies & it's good to hear the KM3s do the same as a mate is gonna buy them for his Defender 👍
I think 255/85 16’s are perfect on Landcruisers. Nice and tall but not too wide, fit on a 6-8” rim perfectly.
I absolutely love them and the gearing is good, often correcting the speedo.
I have two sets of Bfg’s and a set of Yokohama’s and am very happy with both , also had a set of Cooper ST’s in the same size years ago.
@@4x4touring47 Around White Springs Lookout is also a pretty good spot for mud if you want to play a bit. Hasn't been dug out by the 37" players yet & there's a decent camp there that doesn't get too soggy in the wet. Quick bailout to the Murrayville pub too if needed 😀
@@4x4touring47 The road in from Pinnaroo was deadly slippery. We did it in pouring rain and had a couple of vehicles sideways in a ditch. Once we got to the sandy parts it was good going. A lot of the really big bog holes have get-around tracks on the side, so you don't need to submerge your car if you don't want to (I didn't).
Car weighed about 50Kg more at the end of the track. Sticky sticky mud. Needed an hour of Karchering to get it clean again.
@spudboy1328 I have a 09 hilux with the standard 225/75R16 and 2” lift. I don’t want a wide tyre and was thinking of going 235/85s for that higher profile. Did you like them on your defender?
They look amazing!
Falken Japanese, huge,HUGE manufacturer.
I think it was a really good choice, love the look, can't wait to see what you are up to next. Greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦
Gwyn is right the blue is amazing
Thanks again for all the info
Yay!
235/85r16 is what I‘ve personally run and continue to run. And only paired with steel rims for trackside repairs and reliability.
Thank you, these videos are made possible by my ability to get manufactures (usually the same ones) to give me free shit all the time. Thank you ...for watching.
100%. It was not long ago he wanted everyone to be a patron because it was too expensive to recover Ranger Rover classic repair cost.
Lol, whats wrong with that? Unlike other channels he has an agreement that he is allowed to give criticism on the product he is given otherwise he wont accept them, he mentioned it a few years ago. You forget its a business and he has to make a living. And its better then other channels they only talk praise of their suppliers without checking them first like Ronny Dahl with the Rhino Racks, or 4wd247 stopping programming every 15 minutes to wank off their sponsers products for 10 minutes and their sponsors change every other month. So if he is staying with the same sponsers then its consistency and not just jumping to the highest bidder
@@J-P88 yeah I guess he’s better in that regard than the others, for sure. It just gets jarring watching Terrain Tamer send him thousands of dollars of this, Hella that, Colourama film in our workshop this, BF goodridge gave me that, Sheik Arabia 4x4 prince solid axle only museum this, camera lens want free but got good discount that! Gets a bit pathetic after a while and dulls the validity of end selection of product, for mine. But then again this hobby isn’t cheap and somebody’s got to pay for it. He complains about CZcams but companies aren’t going to get away stuff to somebody on lesser platforms than CZcams.
@@chrisfi3d hmm my response got deleted for some reason.
What we are seeing now with Andrew is the end result of being in the Industry creating films professional or just Home videos for over 40 years, from his own Holidays in his Range Rover in the 80s "watch his video about the pair of knickers" he repaired a Crashed Range Rover out in the bush. And then in the early 90s having his Own Mapping company. He Garners the respect because of this. And with Sponsorship he rejects ALOT MORE then he accepts, either because 1. They are not to his standards and he would never buy them so wont promote them or 2. They will not allow any negative comments about the product. Check his review he done a couple years ago about ARBs Tyre pressure monitors which if i remember correctly he said "they where the worst product ARB have ever released". These Tyres he approached THEM as he like them as a tyre and if he had to buy them these are the ones he will recommend, so they didnt come to him and he accepted because they where free, BFG he was Brand Ambassador and when he was he said he will never do a tyre review except if it was between 2 BFG tyres and not another company as it is conflict of interest. And with the Hella and other products, he has always said to buy right the first time as you can keep them for 20 years, in the X Trail build he said to Buy Maxtrax recovery gear and Terrain Tamer or ARB air compressors because of their quality and because you can move them to your other vehicles when upgrading. The sponsorship he gets now is Products and not Finacial. His money mainly comes from Patreons, Film Making Course he runs and then his other venture when he Builds a 4wd for Clients. A few years ago he mentiond that he averages 4 a year
We can get the same perks if we had 40 years of experience and filmed it as well
This cruiser looks amazing 🔥🔥
Gorgeous choice,really the perfect match🤩
They look awesome and bloody hell didn't cost you a cent, what more could you want.
Those silver blue rims from NZ looked great.
Shoo! That's the best wheels you've had. Didn't think they would but they match perfectly and really compliments the blue... If you keep that colour.. or any other blue
Andrew, I like how you articulate the reasons exactly why you chose the wheels & tires! I like the black and blue build. I notice now more recently your builds have very specific reasons for the equipment, upgrades etc. based on efficiency and experience. This requires "out of the box " thinking which many sometimes don't go along with or understand.
He 'chose' them because they were freebies from ROH and Falken. He walked past what he openly says is the 'best' size (255/85) because Falken did not make them available in Australia. He is a sell out.
The color, the rims, and the tires all look great, Andrew!
Interesting choice, I've just put Toyo open country 265 x 70 x 16 on my D22 (the tyres are now worth more than the ute) I wanted 75 profile but was worried it would rub (standard suspension starting to sag, they would be fine on a better suspension) and a lot more expensive. They handle quite nicely. It's been very wet here lately and I haven't lost traction once on the blacktop. Only had them off road once and handled it fine although the corrugations did upset the wheel balance. Road noise is there but OK with the radio on.
I just got that tire in 75 profile, they look nice. No rubbing on my 4runner.
I love how honest you are in your videos. Im glad to have an opinion from you on those tires. Im on my second set of km3 tires and i love the offroad mud tractiom but agree that the road noise is up there. Ill give those falkens a try next. Ive had my eye on them anyway. 🤙
I had a mate in my old 4wd club that used 255's on his 40, he absolutely loved them, but he so often had to run them well past the point of replacement because they were so hard to get hold of.
I went with 285's on my rig, mainly because they are such a common size, and I feel I could safely get my hands on one anywhere I go.
Changes the whole look of the vehicle.
Too many old blokes in the comments complaining about the rims haha.
I like them. I thought they looked good. Will look even better when it’s wrapped in the new blue
Great episode Andrew! Enjoying every thing you do mate
Love the black on blue havent seen any before
Running 255/85 R16 Yokohama Geolandar MT G003 on my Defender & it's an awesome size & tyre choice. No worries from me on taking it remote as modern construction tyres can cope with the outback as long as you look after them. Been all over with them, probably on tougher tracks than I've seen Andrew on, with no dramas at all so unless you're forging new tracks don't stress about availability.
You still rate these tyres? Cheers
@@petergallagher1825 Yep, still going strong after many trips to the Vic High Country, deserts including the muddy sections & countless corrugations. You have to air down a bit further than you think on soft sand as the sidewalls are so strong they don't elongate so easily, but they still perform excellently when you do. No air loss issues & wearing evenly so far with rotations every 5000km or so. Couldn't rate them higher tbh 👍
Looks excellent!
Looking awesome ! Great colour
Andrew, I loved your previous Troopys and I love this one 😍 absolutely perfect
Good choice. Really nice looking to boot.
They look good
The blue Truck and black wheels looks really good
Looks very smart..
looks good...
Just watching now, and I do like those rims, nice, now for the tyres.
Dear Andrew, I purchased BF Goodrich 285/75/17 ( AT )for my nissan patrol few years back they never let me down, I got them because you had them, and you were happy with them thanks mate!
thank share video
Enjoying the build
Pretty slick setup!
Looking sharp 👌 😎 👍
Looks good
Looks good. I just made the mistake of using a 9” rim when an 8” would have been perfect.
The closest thing we have in the us to a troops is the land cruiser and everyone uses 8”wide wheels on those. I have an old surf with the same size wheels and tires.
The combination looks pretty good. I look forward to your thoughts on them as you learn more about them in your travels.
Looks awesome Andrew. Great colour and the wheels really set it off. Very much looking forward to this build. Take your time.
I just went up from stock to the 265/75 R16 on my Toyota Tacoma TRD off road, stock 8” wide wheels. Love the set up. Considered the 255/85 R16 but was just a bit too much with no lift. I went with the Goodyear Duratracs as I wanted something a bit more aggressive, but not full on mud terrains.
A little bit of a gansta look😁
I am running a 285/70/17 KO2. I love them because they are easy to find
On the matter of narrow vs wide: I've owned a succession of Land Cruisers and Land Cruiser-adjacent vehicles in Namibia, and I've always sworn by something in the neighbourhood of 7.50r16. This is clearly a little narrower than what's being discussed here, but they've always proven to be utterly reliable and robust.
thats the equivalent stock tyre size on all 70 series here in australia.
That is a good looking rig!
Yikes, im not sure about that blue. You can never go wrong with the sandy color.
I run a Cooper STMaxx 255/85 16 and love them, surprised you didnt mention that one.
Cooper may not have offer free tires. I run 285/70/R17 Micky Thomson on my LC200
Don't worry, he will be wrapping it soon anyway. I preferred his original choice of colour as well
I love the blue! And absolutely loathe the sandy. Hahaha. Complete opposite 😅 colours are too subjective
Thank you for another great video 👍🏼
I do love those falkens! Think I might have to go with them instead of my bfg at2’s
Nice choice, i have those ROH Vapours on my 79, they are very good.
I liked how the steel wheels looked
Great video! I’m in the process of changing tires on my 5th Gen 4Runner. Decided to go with Falken Wildpeak AT3W 255/80/17 from the stock size on a 2” lift (2”on rear and 2.25” on front).
Came from a D110 with 235/85’s and they were fantastic off-road so looking forward to these new tires on the Toyota. Overall weight being added was a big factor in my decision making process.
Agree the best tyre is a 255 85 R16. I am driving an ex Army Land Rover 110 (“Perentie”). Was running a set of 265 75 16, but found them just a fraction too small (I was dragging my diff, when all my mates running 255 85 16 weren’t), so went up to Maxxis Bighorns in 255 85 16. Great tyre, but went through them pretty quickly. Been searching for a new set for about 6 months now at the right price. The only decent ones I have found are BFG KM3, Toyo Open Country MTs, and Yokohama Geolanders. As a result of them being rare, they are pricey. Around $350 to $400 a corner. Lucked out and found a set of Yokohama Geolanders for $265 a corner in Melbourne a couple of weeks ago. Stoked.
Nice tyres and rim combo Andrew! Great choice with the new blue bus👍😎🇦🇺
Very nice choice! Great work.
Always very critical the right choice of rims and tires. Greetings from Spain. 👍🏻😷👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I think the steelies looked great
I like em.
Really nice rim and tyre choice. I love the stock rims but these are an improvement