Everything Added In Sonic Origins PLUS
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- The classic Sonic games you know and love PLUS a whole lot more!
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===Credits / Links===
-Amy sprites: www.spriters-resource.com/cus...
-CD level maps: www.sonicgalaxy.net/maps-gen-cd/
-Sonic Drift 2 SMS conversion: www.smspower.org/Hacks/SonicD...
-Sonic Triple Trouble SMS conversion: www.smspower.org/Hacks/SonicT...
-Tails Adventure SMS conversion: www.smspower.org/Hacks/TailsA...
-Sonic 3 Origins codes added: / 1555407089438269440
-Sonic 3 Prototype: tcrf.net/Proto:Sonic_the_Hedg...
-Metal Sonic in Sonic 2 Rom Hack: info.sonicretro.org/Metal_Son...
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:44 Physical Retail Game
05:11 Version 2.0.0 + Dropdash change
12:56 Amy in Sonic 1
16:09 Amy in Sonic CD
17:57 Knuckles in Sonic CD
21:31 Amy in Sonic 2
25:50 Amy in Sonic 3
31:23 Amy in Sonic Origins Extra Modes
34:57 Game Gear Games Overview
42:53 Game Gear Implementation
46:11 Surprise / Cheatcodes
49:01 Missed Opportunities
51:41 Closing
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I'm happy to finally have this one out. The long awaited (mostly by me) sequel to my Sonic Origins video. I feel like i've been working on it for an eternity, but i wanted to get it just right. Three months does seem like alot of time to craft a video simply covering the new additions of a DLC, but there was so much more that caught my eye than i expected. I didn't even realize the runtime was close to an hour until today when i finished the music bedding and cleared all the gaps in the project. Though in the end i'm happy with the finished project, and i hope you got something out of it as well.
Speaking of DLC, that third and final update for Sonic Frontiers releases tomorrow. Isn't that exciting? I've been finishing off the first two just in time to experience the third. And there will be a video covering all three... I just don't know when that can be out. Probably long after all the hype dies down and no one really cares anymore, but then again that's the usual for this channel, so expect no less.
Oh yeah, i noted in the video there will be bonus videos on the way. That wasn't something i planned, i just found certain things during my tests that i might as well share. None of it is groundbreaking, but if you're interested in classic Sonic, or even just Sonic or gaming quirks in general they might be worth a watch.
At this point i think i've got everything out of Origins that it could possibly offer.
-A pre-release discussion on the worthiness of the collection: • A Rant In Favor of Son...
-A collections discussion spring boarded off the the idea of what Origins could entail: • We Need More Sonic Col...
-An in depth breakdown of most changes made and changes missed: • Every Change Made in S...
-A long explanation of why any of the requested changes would be appropriate: • Super Tails Is Based, ...
-A look into everything added with the DLC: (This video.)
-And 4 bonus videos using quirks found while testing Origins Plus;
=-Super/Hyper comparison and update: • Are Super and Hyper Fo...
=-Knuckles AND Tails in Sonic 1: • You Can Play as Knuckl...
=-Act clear sign oddities: • Sonic Sign Oddities
=-Boss Rush glitching: • Boss Rush is GLITCHED ... - Hry
! Update !
The version 2.1 update has released, and it fixes a few things that i address in the video. Such as:
-The loops in Sonic 3 can now be hammer-dashed through as Amy with no issue.
-Amy's second transformation now has the appropriate after-images to match the other Hyper Forms
-The Game Gear games have been stretched horizontally to take up more of the screen. Though there still is a black border on all 4 sides.
-Game Gear games now have an anti-aliasing screen option. (There's also one for the Genesis games.) These look quite blurry.
-As well as other fixes for things not mentioned in the video (such as a Mono toggle for GG games.)
Thanks for watching everybody! How have you been enjoying Origins/Origins Plus?
Bro added an update 11 hours before "uploading" lol
@@Qoobon_ It's the day-one patch
Yes
@@BobbyBionicIf you don't mind I would like to add a feature not fully mentioned here in the videos.
- Sonic Chaos, Sonic Triple Trouble, Sonic Blast and Tails Adventure have both a Japanese and an American/European versions of the roms in Origins Plus that changes according to the region of the boxes. These extra Japanese versions have different save and load states not shared with the American/European versions (so technically you have 2 save slots for Sonic Chaos, Sonic Triple Trouble, Sonic Blast and Tails Adventure)
- Sonic Blast was also known in Japan as G-Sonic and this is displayed if you choose the Japanese Rom of the Game, however despite Sonic Drift 2 being also known as Sonic Drift Racing, this detail does not reflect in the Rom as that title screen was never coded
- The option that was added to both Genesis and Game Gear games was Nearest Neighbour and not Anti-Aliasing. Anti-Aliasing was the standard for these games.
Hope this was usefull!
@@SonicStation The different regions roms for the GG games is a pretty cool inclusion that i didn't even know about until i saw it mentioned on a comment on a different video. I tried it out and was surprised it actually worked haha. I plan to mention this in an upcoming bonus video.
Though as for the screen setting, i'm just calling it what it's referred to as in the game's options menu.
that little bridge there in hydrocity is to patch a softlock caused by resetting in the wrong place. It screwed up story mode / Sonic 3K speedruns but better skips with less risk were found after the plus update
Good to know! Thanks for the info
i thought it was to prevent amy from hammer dashing back into the area after triggering the wall. neat to know
I didn't know Eggman used Tails' pallette in Sonic the hedgehog 2 until that super Tails segment, this also explains why his glasses went from blue to black and why his cape got duller
Its was more noticeable with the S3K's Flying Battery boss, his front-facing sprite has more of Tail's palette than his normal ones.
Sonic 2 actually had thee checkered pattern that's used on the Sonic Mania box. Also, the not for resale image looked differently for Sonic 2. It was more of a seal, and would have been over Knuckles' foot if anything.
The "1 or 2 players" logo is also shared between origins and sonic 2
The reason the reverse boxart uses a checker pattern instead of a grid is because it's actually a refrence to Sonic 2!
This is such a well produced video, great work!
I appreciate it, thanks for checking it out!
One thing that you forgot to mention is that the Eggman cutscene after the Big Arm battle was fixed. Thank God; Eggman being on the wrong layer was really bugging me.
I didn't notice that one, i'll be sure to check it out!
I’m so glad Amy is in the game
She’s my favourite character, and I was so sad, that Amy wasn’t in Mania 😢
I thought you’d never do this, I was literally watching the original yesterday, thank you!
I was watching the original an hour ago! Talk about a neat happenstance! 🥛🥛
It took some time, but it's finally here. Thanks for watching both videos!
@@BobbyBionic Thanks to *you* for making good content! Keep up the good work! 🥛🥛
same
A really well made video btw. Your eye for detail is insane!
You missed a couple changes in the 2.0 update:
1. Controls can now be customized on console versions
2. There are 3 jump buttons like in Mania instead of the 2 jump buttons at the launch or Origins
Imagine if origins plus add a sonic and amy duo😂
The sonic advance 3 vibes would be hitting hard
Maybe for a valentines special event
@@tavito506X as much as I want that as a huge sonamy fan it is very unlikely
Well, Sonic and Amy's gameplay is too similar so...
Sonic would be running for his life.
11:20 that was added to stop people from soft locking. You can drop dash to go back in there and you'll get stuck
22:58 "Good on you Amy for breaking the mold"
Tails, Knuckles, Mighty, and Ray who are able to go super in Mania(+) which I'm pretty sure come out after that dumb idea:
Meanwhile Modern Knuckles who breaks the mold in frontiers by mentioning his own super form:
Knuckles has had a super form since 1994, so applying that idea to non-hedgehogs is already flimsy, even if they were trying to retcon all other super forms. The whole point of me bringing that statement up is because as a female hedgehog this affects Amy directly. Even with their weird rules we know hedgehogs have no issue going super, as we see with Sonic, Shadow, and Silver. So the only thing that was holding Amy back before was the fact that she's a female. Which is ridiculous to have that being the one thing that prevents her from this power. Super Amy proves they either no longer stand by that idea, or it never was something they really endorsed to begin with.
@@BobbyBionic ah okay.
You are now my favorite youtuber, you said everything I could have thought of, more, and you didn’t treat Sonic Blast like garbage lol
Amazing vid you are criminaly underrated
Thank you for this video I’ve been debating getting this game and getting back into Sonic games and this made me get it!!!
I bought the digital deluxe version with the pre-order bonus a year ago, bought the plus dlc 1 year later... Fantastic video
“Good job amy for breaking that rule!”
Burning Blaze: what about me :(
Sorry Burning Blaze, I beleive you came before the 'only male hedgehogs' thing, which started with Sonic '06 or around then if I remember correctly. You get to be a hipster instead.
Burning Blaze: Sh*t.
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Trip goes super
@@thepurestvessel998 she turns into q f*cking dragon lmao
@@GavinArtster its still a super form
fun fact! the drop dash in 1/2/cd is actually just a one-frame spindash, you can see for yourself if you slow down the footage
Spotting a barcode easter egg is some next-level observation skill. Bravo, dude. Bravo, indeed. Goddamn!
Some things that irritate me about Origins is why they didn't use the PC music in S3, why they didn't use original roms for classic mode and why they didn't use Master System versions of Game Gear games
And… Why did they use that crappy save select?????
The physical version was halfassed. It just has vanilla physical & Plus as a DLC code
I still wish Proto Palace Zone was accessible in this version
Proto Palace Zone is literally Hidden Palace Zone (S2)
@@gameomer1855 it’s the same look but Proto palace has a different layout and music and it’s slightly unfinished.
Can we talk about the fact that his code is literally just the series title!
I love your voice
So relaxing~
Really enjoyable video. Love Sonic
Metal Sonic, Tails Doll, Mecha Knuckles and Robo Amy would be amazing as 100% unlocks for each character!
That would have been cool. The other playable characters is almost like alternate universes anyways, the extra mile would have been cool
One thing you forgot to mention is on Sonic CD after you unlock the extras it will unlock for good. The only bad part is you have to do it on Classic and Mirror mode too
Finally i won't have to remind the game i finished all of the time attacks!
Time for a billion more hours of torture trying to get D.A Garden! 🥲
They should have made a special gg emulator that uses the resolution base for sms but with modern formats that uses the full modern screens of today, then add some extra memory to it so that it can load in more sprites and enemies on said screen.
This is such a interesting video
I regret paying for the full origins. It sucks.
The reason that the “not for resale” missing is because that will leave complications with people trying to return the game, as the shop will think the sign is real and won’t take it back.
Sega should make a sonic villains game where you play as the bad guys and fight sonic and his friends
i love the attention to detail in this review! reminds me of when i was even more annoying about sonic 😅 (i don’t mean to imply you’re annoying, but i definitely was)
my first experience with these games was in the DS sonic classic collection. i was mostly fine with it at the time because i was like, 7 years old. but yeahhh apparently it’s the worst genesis collection they’ve made. so i was glad to pick this one up to play them all again ✨
If you want to change the soundtrack for cd go to the setting on the islands and you can change there
11:46 nice touch!
Having bought Origins Plus this August after waiting a whole year having hope most of the major issues were the compilation got fixed... well, I suppose I feel satisfied with it myself, already put over 100 hours on it in Steam. Though I do feel sorry for those who bought the deluxe when it came out and still had to pay full-price for Plus, that essentially felt like it was ripping them off. But that aside, I can easily see why others still feel it's rather lacking. Game Gear titles are a nice inclusion, though it would've been cool to have other Mega Drive era spinoffs like Spinball (16-bit) and 3D Blast, maybe even Chaotix (though honestly, emulating that is a pain in the ass and would probably require a full blown remaster, which no one at Sega is gonna have time for)
This one is more with Origins as a whole, but: while I'd rather not return to the original games after getting used to the remasters (skill issue, I know)... even just lazily plopping in the original ROMs of the game (maybe with adjustments like changing the Michael Jackson music in S3&K because that's never getting a rerelease anytime soon) and calling it Classic Mode would've been a more authentic experience than this weird identity crisis in Origins.
Amy's playstyle could've been more interesting but I personally had a lot of fun playing as her really. She's already my go-to character for quick fun playthroughs of each game. Sure, she makes things a bit too easy and absolutely wrecks boss fights entirely, but it feels so satisfying. :p
I recently uploaded a video as to how Sega should fix Origins
Thankfully someone gave me some money for my birthday which I used to buy the dlc, even though I preordered the digital deluxe edition
Note that the checkerboard on the case is from sonic 2 and not all copies of sonic 1 have not for resale on the case
So the extra content is not on the disc plz help ??????????
Would you recommend for me to buy Sonic Origins Plus or Sonic Superstars for my birthday?
Amy can also turn around during her hammer dash
At first I thought putting a "not for resale" on it would be dumb, because that only applies to copies that came with the console, but after I learned that you literally can't resell the game I think it would have been pretty funny.
I was wondering who you were as I only ever get recommended videos of CZcamsrs I’ve watched- didn’t take me long to realise your the “maniuhhhh” guy 😂
I have no idea what this means, but thanks for checking out the video
@@BobbyBionic I always know when it’s you because you say mania differently, I surprisingly end up seeing your videos a lot in the recommendations of my CZcams page
20:10 A sky so creepy that it got used in Sonic.exe
A Tails crash in Sonic 1 got added too.
you seriously need to go into sonic 2 level select and play sound test 05 its a banger
I feel like if metal sonic was added, he would either: 1. Have the ability to fly (but keep momentum when running) or 2. Gets the option to boost while running.
The code you put in when you got sonic origins plus won’t work as it keeps saying it can’t recognised
Fun fact, Bobby Bionic: The Sonic 2 Super Sonic code has a religious background
Has anyone had an issue when playing as Tails in Sonic 1 the game crashes when you go in the water?
Man, at least the Nintendo chip has the word "plus" on it. The discs are just Origins.
Also, when I put the PlayStation code, ot never showed up in the game. I literally waited 3 days and still had to pay the money because support didn't do shit
22:54 I’ve been playing Sonic games since the 90s & I never heard of the lore that states only male hedgehog’s can go super. Was that mentioned in the Archie comic or Sonic X anime?
It's just one of the many things that were said once by someone in some interview, and the fans take it and run with it. The sources are also rarely shared in these discussions, so i was sure to include the word 'alleged' just to be safe. I'm not sure if they ever actually stood by that or not, but it's nice to see they at least don't in this instance.
According to the Sonic Fandom wiki, 2.0 also reverted the name of Hyper Tails to Super Tails, making the Chaos Emerald transformation of Tails nameless. I... honestly do not understand this. Not only do I think the reversion from Hyper to Super was dumb, but they didn't even bother to remove the form that was called Super Tails up until then.
The US Reversible Cover of Origins Plus is actually based off of the Sonic 2 US Case.
I guess that would explain the checkerboard pattern. I unfortunately don't own the case for Sonic 2, but Sonic 1 did good enough since most of the other elements are shared.
48:23
FUN IS INFINITE
Once again I must recommend the fan works to all my friends 💀
What's the music used in 31:38?
I can't find it and I really like it
It's Green Grove Zone Act 1 from Sonic 3D Blast
I wish they would add Shadow in these games. I have him in sonic 3 AIR with his own moves and all. He is excellent
Nintendoes what Genesis did.
21:21 if only tyson hesse recreates and animated a sonic cd style ending for knuckles and tails....only time will tell
"if you look closer at Tails" ...uh...do I have to? :D
Sorry. Also quick thing: being able to smash the Marble Garden Zone pillars actually makes sense, as you can also smash them with th e Fire Shield's mid-air dash, which you can't use on Knux's bolder either, so they're probably coded differently/to be different and breakable by anything, while those bolders are Knuckles Only.
WOWWWWWWWWWWWI have the SONIC 1 not for resale box as well! same condition as yours! Slightly better than mines!
just give us Mania II already call it Sonic Mayhem or sumn and have multiple sonics with different special abilities that’ll each help you differently on each stage. Idk something interesting
You know you can move amy while hammer dashing right?
I think they should have a Sonic Origins 2 only featuring SMS and Game Gear titles remakes
Sonic 3d collection when?
20:39 Knuckles has the RUNS
I got the encore dlc. So regardless if I got it physically or digitally my copy of Sonic mania will always be the plus version.
1:15 same for Mega drive, and in 2:48 write To be this good takes ages
I refuse to believe plus adds enough to fill 52 minutes of run time
Sonic 1: not for resale
Sonic origins: for resale
30:27 knock knock it’s knuckles
i'd kill for a sonic advance series remaster, especially an SA3 remaster
Something to mention: You can travel to any completed act (including special stages) using the “My Data & Ranking” menu and then pressing Triangle/Y/X.
I say this due to you mentioning a lack of a stage select
Thanks, but 47:42
@@BobbyBionic Ah, thanks. Have no idea how I missed that
44:05 "Sonic Rigins Collection"
It's worth noting that the Master System version of Sonic Blast was made specifically for Brazil by TecToy, and was slower, buggier, and uglier than the Game Gear version. Just look at the Special Stages.
Just a mension but the reason amy isn't in old blue spheres is because she isn't in classic mode
I got the disk sonic origins plus but I didn’t get amy
YEAH sonic and amy
As someone who still owns Mega collection and Gems collection from back in the day it really disapoints me that this new collection botched so much. If a new fan needs a way to play these old games this will do well enough but for someone like me who has all of these and more on my Gamecube I really can't justify getting these for just what is essentially Pink Sonic and a bunch of GameGear roms I already have.
I bought it to play Sonic Blast
This makes me want to buy the SEGA Dreamcast so I can play theses games in their original glory.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Knuckles Chaotix. That game is still not ported and as a fan of classic Sonic who was never able to get a Sonic 32X, I'd love to actually play it
I mention it briefly in my first Origins video, and discuss it more in depth in my "We need more Sonic Collections" video. I do wish it was ported in some capacity, but i can understand them not wanting to make a 32X emulator just for that game.
My biggest complain about this is that the super peel-out is still CD exclusive.
Play Sonic Classic Heroes and Sonic 3 AIR with mods.
@@davidtamasherman1728 I meant in Sonic Origins. You don't even need mods to use the peel out in S3 A.I.R.
@@bonedude1286 I know but those 2 still beat Origins (Plus).
Bobby, please help- can you play sonic 2 and sonic 3 as sonic (or whoever) with tails and a second player can then control Tails?
Yup! Anytime Tails follows you, a second player can control him
Thank you so much for the answer! I really appreciate all the help!
I do think is kind of lame how the Mega Drive one are exclusive to Japan and Europe because South America also had Mega Drives instead of Genesis
I'll love Sonic Origins exception of the horrid music replacement for Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Worth every penny on my Nintendo Switch and Xbox Series S
TAILS ISNT A PUNY RUNT 👹
The box art is more based on Sonic 2.
46:35 that statue looks sus
All the Amy bits are consistently disappointing. "They didn't do this, they didn't do that, they didn't do the other thing"
I got Plus
😂Imagine a Sonic & knuckles duo!😂
24:39 final fortress zone 😂
what does "not for resale" mean?
Many copies of Sonic 1 were bundled with the console as a way to incentivize someone to purchase it. That label helped to ensure that game stores weren't just taking the game from the bundle and selling it separately.
@@BobbyBionic ok thanks
Yo how can you play the version 1.5.0 version on sonic origins plus?
I used the Nintendo Switch version, but version 1.5 is what is on the cartridge. If you use a Switch that has never had the game updated on it, you can play Ver 1.5 before it updates, or turn off wifi so it doesn't know there's an update available.
I don't know if the Plus DLC is compatible with 1.5 or if it has to be 2.0 to work.
@@BobbyBionic I don't know if it works on other consoles?
Couldn’t Blaze go super in Sonic Rush?
No thank you Sega, since Sonic 3 & Knuckles is my favorite Sonic 2D Game i'll stay with Sonic 3 AIR.
24:10 did the game insult tails?