Hosea's Advice to John Marston / Hidden Dialogue / Red Dead Redemption 2
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- Hosea gives John some needed advice.
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John: *breathes*
Literally Everybody: *LISTEN TO ME JOHN*
John is halfway between goof and actual moron and I love him
*get the hell outta here, be with your family*
I think they all see he has a chance to REALLY live. Family live. And they all, secretly, want to see something REAL and GOOD happen, just to believe in it. A happy ending. Because in their life it dont always ends like that, and they start feeling it when some "good" people of theirs started dying.
STOP BREATHING AND LISTEN TO ME THOUGH
He's 26 here, of course all of the old hats are gonna give unsolicited advice. That's what being in your 20s is about
Dude... Arthur ended up following Hosea. Makes so much sense. Arthur by the end of the game had Hoseas wisdom.
@@subpain4257 If you read Arthur's journal he stated clearly he loves Hosea as a father in many more ways.
Arthur had more of Hosea's ideas, and then.. Dutch became more like Micah. Out for self and playing victim
@skankhunt42 Oh yeah I know I saw.
@@MrsJasmyn45 You right. Plus he kept insisting they were fine when they weren't.
Dutch even said Arthur sounds like hosea in chapter 5 after getting back from guarma
Hosea: "Get out of here John, you're the only one that has a chance to live"
John: "no"
Arthur: "Take your woman and child, and get lost"
John: *leaves*
Hosea's Ghost has left the chat
Hosea be like:
Wait... wuh?
Ivor Kusic the difference is, by the time Arthur said it, the gang was falling apart.
@@uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweug7776 And John was in a better relationship with Abigail at the end
Tom 9083 true, he cared more for her and Jack than he did before Jack’s kidnapping
3:27 John : “Thank you, both of you...” Arthur : 👉🤠👉
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Underrated coment
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Wish Hosea and Arthur could've survived with John
Hope one day we get a game where we get to play as young Hosea
Jacob Broughton would be fucking sweet!
What about a young uncle? I wanna see if that "one shot kid" thing was true, probably not but it would add more depth to his character if he actually was a very talented gunslinger who just grew old
@@Outlaw7263 they called him the "One Shot Kid" cuz in a fight Uncle always went down in one punch
They could have if John wasn't that stubborn and if the plot
2:01 that coincidence made it more realistic! Hosea stops when jacks says hey. Like he stops because he was talking about him and dont want him to hear.
I wonder if maybe it was intended, cause it was such perfect timing...
It was scripted.
@@cjv8522 It actually isn't. If you were to walk into Jack, or interact with him, it would throw off the timing of the dialogue between Hosea and John. That's why there aren't any true three-way NPC dialogue cutscenes. It's always between two characters, and sometimes Arthur.
OWLERO in chapter 6 John Charles and bill have a random encounter
Believe it or not, this game does have contextual reactions. If you mess up or fall off a horse during a ride, the people will comment on it and stop their conversation. For example, during one of the missions, uncle said something about nobody looking under their nose for something. If you crash your horse during this time, he'll say " See! I told you!"
Arthur sounds like Hosea in chapter 6
Actually Dutch points out that Arthur sounds like Hosea since chapter 5.
@@sean543213 i would say since chapter 4
Did was that just oldness for Hosea or did he have it too?
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Didn't Dutch say that because Arthur said "What about the women?" when they were having an argument? I never noticed him saying that regarding Arthur's cough.
@@jaceharrison7936 I noticed it some in other cut scenes, but this sure makes it look like Hosea had the TB also. I will guess that is why he talked to John, about Jack and family, the way he did. He knew that the end was coming close not just for him and Arthur, but for the whole thing they had lived in for so long.
You can clearly see that Hosea had his favorites. He had deep affection for John and Arthur. Like a father. And Arthur is like the older son who is constantly picking on his younger brother John. Those three were different than the rest.
It's because they're the OG members of the gang.
I mean he practically raised the two
And also Lenny, he cared a lot for Lenny as well.
Don't forget about lenny
Hosea loved Arthur Lenny john and Charles more than the other gang members I guess
It’s almost been an year and people are still finding these dialogues
been playing the game pretty much every day for a year now and only recently discovered that giant cave system under the Kamassa River
i just recently figured out how to make my horse walk backwards.... i feel so stupid....
@@sauce6746 wait, how the fuck?!
@@sauce6746 wait what?? How do you this sorcery?
Ash W just hold r1 while on the horse
Man i miss hosea. He was one of my favorite characters in the game
The Ghost he’s like our grandfather figure
He was my favorite person too.
@@thyxreaper exactly. He would try to guide everyone
Hosea was the only member who was woke. He knew Dutch was a dumbass and everyone was gonna die cause of him
yup he was a decent man he deffo deserved better :(
5:05 For a minute, I swore that John was on a laptop.
Crazy illusion
Lmfao
He had to switch of from GTA for a minute
John is a time traveler, it's confirmed.
Jajajaja me too
So in fact Hosea was first to tell John to get the hell out of here and be a goddamn man ... Never knew that .. great find ! But happy that Arthur made sure that John got out with his family kinda like hoseas last wish .. sad Hosea was the wisest of them all . Rip Hosea
What I liked about him was his strategic thinking and foresight. He speaks about unconditional love, support and looks after the crew.
Fuck agent Milton...
Shannon Henman man you guys are acting like he died in real life it’s just a game chill it 😂🤦🏻♂️
@@marcovazquez2071 I know it's a game I was just commenting on the hidden dialogue. Just a great character killed off too soon is all . Can't say rockstar didn't make this a great game that touched alot of people . Not like I'm all sitting here having a fake funeral for him or something. Lol
Shannon Henman I mean you never know maybe you could 🤷🏻♂️😝
Shannon Henman I’m down for a fake funeral.
Hosea and John talking about Jack
Jack belike:Hey...
valentino trey “are you making fun of me” 😂
Arthur and John are some of the best video game protagonists Ever. Period.
Amen to that 😎👍
And nathan drake
Would be cool if Mary (I believe was her name) was pregnant with Arthur’s child at the end of the game and the child grew up and tracked down Jack Marston and they form a new gang. They could call themselves The M&M gang lol.
Arthur, John, and Joel from The Last of Us. The big 3
Aint even gunna include my boy lee Everett?
only game that made me cry
The realism in these dialogues are amazing. They need more games like this.
AXL yeah,and stop hopping on the battle royale train,that's what ruined CODBO.
Hopefully Bully 2
Is bully2 gonna happen?
Henry N it was cancelled, honestly there’s no need for a Bully 2
Then you have CyberPunk 2077 trash
Hosea would’ve tried to get John out if he didn’t die. Arthur saving John is exactly what Hosea would’ve wanted
Exactly.
Yeah, like many people have said, Arthur picked up Hosea’s wisdom by the end of the game
Hosea was only trying to protect Jack.
@@bobbysbluebooster he wanted John and his family to live
@@bobbysbluebooster while pretty much what Arthur wanted not to say he didn't care about john but he mainly wanted to get john out for jakes sake
Hosea told John to leave the gang long before Arthur did...
@@subpain4257 well yeah because he was dying and everything was going to shit. In earlier chapters arthur was trying to get john to trust in dutch when john was getting more and more tired of everything
Also first one to doubt dutch in the beginning in the game telling arthur dutch is going crazy
@@subpain4257 For sure he did. Because then he knew for sure. Crystal clear what needed to happen.
@@imarealone_0076 Yeah but he had just came back to the gang as well. So it’s conflicting and that’s what clouded John I believe.
3:28 I love the little hand gesture at John by Arthur. Just a little detail that makes the whole interaction come together.
I love the way Hosea carries his pistols. Cross draw style.
That particular style is called a Cavalry draw. It was mostly used by mounted soldiers because it was a safe way to carry on a horse.
@@imahoare4742 wonder why it was safe?
Dutch has two regular, Hosea has 2 cross draw. Arthur has 1 of each... perhaps a reference to them raising him?
Josh's comment deserves more attention
That's a revolver.
Also damn, even in Horseshoe Overlook when things were pretty good with the gang, Hosea was telling John to take his family and get the hell out while he could. I can see why John didn't listen at first. But that's another reason why I like this game, John really grew into a man by the end. Wisdom at a great cost I think.
I think my favorite conversation with Hosea is where there's a few of the gang sitting around the fire and he's talking very somberly and honestly about how his one big regret is not any decision that he made, but instead that it cost so much for his own wisdom, and then he talks about how he wants to do right by himself and others by passing it on without needing the harsh lessons that life gave him.
Hosea was the best.
Ms. Grimshaw: What's wrong with you, Mr. Morgan?!
*X Defuse*
Arthur: Yeah yeah yeah...
Ms. Grimshaw: Okay then, Arthur :)
@@valhatan3907 She'll also forcibly wash you and take your money.
That bit confused me
"forgiveness is just another way of saying you don't care anymore"
Unfortunately for John, he was right in the end. Edgar Ross never forgot or forgave John, even after John brought down Bill, Javier, and even Dutch...
Nicholas Panos it was more of people forget, but the law doesn’t
This quote, in 95% of stories, would’ve been an iconic punchline told in a significant scene. One of those you remember forever after just once you’ve heard them. But here it’s just sayd during an hidden dialogue. This is why this Game is a pure masterpiece of fiction, but also in the same time too fucking close to real life.
@@nicholaspanos1559 man forgive me but you are dumb. Hosea was talking about John run away and forget about everything and in the end John hunt Micah and the laws find him
"When you're my age you realize, more gets forgotten than remembered." Great advice actually.
6:14 he said that to Bonnie in rdr1
Abdullah Ibrahim I noticed this too, just went strolling through the comments to see who else caught that. Good on you man.
It makes me so happy to see all of his best quotes carry over into this game. Wish I caught this encounter in my first playthrough it would've made me shed a tear.
The actor that played John himself said that this lime was his favorite line
Looks like he didn't forget that saying.
Wait what hosea says or what John says
They talk like that to John because they care. Its tough love. John was sure bone headed them years ago.
6:17 Holly hell... This game has some deep amazing quotes on it. I've learned more from this than from people i know irl...
"We all gotta die, but love, love is the thing.. the only thing."
- Hosea Matthews, 1899
“Take a gamble that love exists, and do a loving act.”
"Be a man, John, it would suit you"
12 years later:
Hosea in the afterlife: "Told you"
"GIT THE HELL OUTTA HERE AND BE A GOD-DAMN MAHN!" -Arthur
Hosea was the only one keeping everyone together until he died. Without him dutch got out of line and angry
Even before he was killed Hosea was struggling to get through to Dutch. One could argue Dutch had always dismissed him as soon as Micah joined the gang, but definitely by the time of the St. Denis robbery. Not sure if it had ever been confirmed, but a theory was that Dutch suffered a head injury in the trolly crash; after that, he started to become really aggressive and pushing the gang to it's limits physically and "morally." Regardless, Hosea's death was certainly the final nail in the proverbial coffin for the gang. With him gone, the angel whispering in Dutch's ear also died, leaving only the demon in the other.
@@robertstaples3256 The way I see it is that Dutch wanted a "romantic" outlaw life, rob rich, give to the poor, and prosper himself, but the more he tries and fails the more desperate he becomes, and in this desperation he pushes the gang to breaking point. The reason Micha is appealing to Dutch is not because he manipulates him somehow, but because Micha is the "ideal" outlaw version in Dutchs vision, high ego, high greed(desire to succeed), eagerness to do whatever it takes to get what he wants, those are the qualities Dutch likes about him, the reason Dutch doesent like Hosea, Arthur and John is because they dont want to be that "ideal" outlaw, Dutch was always the same, its just that harsh times pushed his "real" persona out.
Not really, Hosea was already struggling to keep Dutch in check since chapter 1
@@tezwoaczit was romantic until the person he romantisized it for was gone
I love how despite Hosea being a killer and thief himself, he still wanted to be a moral compass for the young men.
Yeah, but he was more a thief in the con artist sense, he never approved of killing in cold blood.
@@greatersabre3135 if I'm not mistaken Hosea says he killed a dude to get his horse when u go with him for that hunting mission
@@alvarosoares3530 yeah but he wasnt killing in cold blood, he said the guy was trying to rob him so he killed the guy to defend himself then took the horse
@@alvarosoares3530 that unruly bastard is my main horse
3:42 Micah's kinky side
I didn't need that image in my Head..why would you do this..
damn dude..
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Loool I know Im a year late but this comment is gold
There’s something about John that just makes us melt. He tries hard not to show his good heart but it’s there. Arthur was a good influence like that
John when he knows something bad is gonna happen: big brain
John when it comes to raising a family: smol brain
“People don’t forget, nothing gets forgiven” what a beautiful call back to the first game hidden in dialogue that you can randomly find.
Also he says that in the John Marston trailer, so that’s a call back to literally 2009
I think he says that to the Strange Man or something?
@@auroraflos2498 it’s in a cutscene with bonnie
@@august8696 Yeahhhh, I remember now!
I was looking for this comment, i knew this was in the first game somewhere.
*I would say you should get the hell away from here.*
*Is this a place to raise a boy?*
*Be a man John. It would suit you*
Some people tends to give all credit to Arthur for contributing John's character and arc, of course no disrespect for him but I personally would say that *both* Arthur and Hosea were huge factors for John's transformation to the Legend of the West.
Agreed.
This. And I would say it’s not just those two, either. What’s great is how several characters help him grow. Arthur helps, of course, once he gets over his own issues - but Hosea, Sadie, Charles. Hell, even Uncle despite his lumbago. RDR2 tells a lot of tales but my favorite is Marston’s origin story and how several lift him up.
@@DJspidey100 Amen to that
Well.duh
He followed this advice way too late.
5:28 John: how you keeping?
Arthur: *about to watch the conversation*
5:30 Susan: WhAtS wRoNg WiTh YoU mR mOrGan
Arthur: Yeah, Yeah heh you can spare me the details :)
Ms Grimshaw: Well okay then :)
(B , B, B, B, B)
Hosea told John to “be a man” and take care of his family, those are also some of Arthur’s last words to John
Mister Morgan!! What is wro-
YEAH YEAH!!!
You can tell that final conversation between John and Hosea, John is by now seriously considering and absorbing Hosea's wisdom slowly but surely becoming the hero he was meant to be.
I just realized how much alike Arthur was to Hosea in chapter 6, when you compare him to Hosea in Chapter 2
Absolutely love how big a role philosophy has in an outlaw series like Red Dead.
I miss Hosea so much, such a sweet old man.
5:07 i thought he was holding a laptop lol
5:31 WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU
hard swerve
If Hosea didn’t die from that gunshot, he probably would of died from emphysema or something. He keeps coughing like Arthur.
3:28 that hand gesture Arthur gives as a reply of John's thank you is one of the reasons I love this game!!!
3:42
Micah: You come to arrest me Morgan? :D
“People don’t forget nothing gets forgiven “ line from RDR1 trailer
Hosea was awesome! And so many others were too!
Hosea is like a grandpa with wisdom, who always has a way to get through the hardships, no matter how hard they are.
Hosea was wrong about forgiveness. John was killed for his past deeds.
6:34 they did gave John death by Edgar Ross a different perspective as John and Abigail had a mission in the first game when they talked about things don't get forgiven or forgotten yet Hosea trying to say only those who remember still care so I guess Edgar Ross personally wanted all the members of Dutch gang kill for ether failing to capture them 11 years ago also he partner getting kill by one of the members
Yeah that’s probably it Edgar maybe was fueled by revenge like john was to micah
@@dolphinerofachero3159 No it’s simply that Ross was selected as the head of the Bureau of Investigation (pre fbi) and Governor Nate Johns who funds the Bureau made a promise to clean up the last of the remaining outlaws and gangs in the region. The reason Bill and Dutch were targeted was because they had their own large gangs and were causing too much chaos
Pretty much. It's one reason why I disagree with the theory that John going after Micah in Mount Hagen doomed him and his family. Edgar Ross would come knocking on that door one time or another. If John didn't go Sadie and Charles would have died in that mountain.
I'm so happy that Red Dead Redemption wasn't a one off game. All the context that RDR 2 added to the story along with the expanded environment made it the best game content I've ever played.
I’ve gotta say, Hosea is dead accurate about his quote “you’re not as dumb as you act, John Marston” people often see John as dull, but in reality he and Hosea are the first two gang members to notice that Dutch was losing his mind. I don’t think that it would be unrealistic to say that John, Lenny, and Hosea are probably the smartest members of the Van Der Linde gang.
Arthur too, he's actually pretty intelligent. He's just seen as the group's muscle rather than anything else so his intelligence isn't really shown.
John is easily one of the most intelligent in the Vanderline gang. By 1911(rdr1) he is incredibly well spoken and articulate, philosophical even. And yes, as you say, he is one of the first to pick up on Dutch’s descent.
There is a reason that in the credits he is called “Dutch’s wayward protege” and everyone calls him golden boy. He would have succeeded Dutch one day if the gang didn’t go to shit.
5:03 I thought John was playing on a laptop
Ivan Ivanow It might happen if it comes to PC with mod s
John: "Go away, Hosea. I'm trying to play League of Legends."
Are ya winnin' John?
He had to check his LifeInvader page quick before Arthur comes sniffing around as always 👁👃👁
"you ain't a fool till you start pretending to be one." Damn... This game is so damn good.
hearing Hosea talk about the old days makes me want RDR3 (however many years away from that may be) to be set in the 1870's with you playing as Hosea in his prime and raising John and Arthur in the wildwest and maybe even north california/oregon
"We're all doomed, Just a question of when."
Hosea knew John was the only one who could go straight. And do a decent job of it.
0:56 Yes It would pass if Dutch listened to hosea
Dutch also said he wanted more attention but did not want anyone to be going for John
2:09 Arthur in the later chapters was like hosea
He would be so proud of Arthur
Hosea would have been really proud that Arthur’s last act was to get John out
6:12 thats some rdr1 foreshadowing if i've ever seen it
Also one of the few times that Hosea is wrong and John is right
“People don’t forget, nothing gets forgiven”
Hosea coughing:
Arthur: 🏃♂️
6:20 its kinda sad how Hosea thought John was gonna reach his age but didn't
Much like Arthur in the game, I preferred Hosea to Dutch from Day 1. There’s just something about Hosea and his wisdom that’s such a calming presence, especially in the contrast of Dutch’s smug attitude. Hosea doesn’t think himself higher than the rest of the gang and that’s what matters.
Thats what makes dutch such a better character tho.
Rockstar handled John's arc in RDR2 as well as they did Arthur's, they set him up to match his character in RDR1 *perfectly* . He was a like a surly 20yr. old fresh out his teenage years, and he became a Man by the end.
Ngl seeing John go full-deadbeat on Abigail and Jack was frustrating when you know what kind of man he was in RDR
I really liked Hosea he reminded me of a true cowboy in a way, wise and smart. Loved the outdoors. And much more.
This video is a rollercoaster of emotions, I’m smiling and almost laughing sometimes, then sad at the foreshadowing and Hosea coughing and knowing that he’s right and it’s over...
Also the part where Hosea states about *Your not as dumb as you act* is pretty relatable to me...
The missions with Lenny were cool, but there should have have reserved more screen time for Arthur and John. The relationship between those two is a more interesting dynamic imo
4:17 Arthur gesturing to John to just go along with what Hosea is going about
0:21 that’s a dialogue that’s heard in a flashback that John has
hosea: *says anything*
hosea immediately after: ISN'T THAT RIGHT, ARTHUR?
Hosea is my favorite character he reminds me of my grandpa he had wisdom as well and always gave me good advice when I needed it when I had it hard he passed away a year ago I still miss him
Hoseas devious little chuckle when Arthur says John is good at playing the fool....aaaahhhhh...perfection
3:05 I like this little interaction between Bill and John
Hosea’s wisdom was keeping the gang together. After he died, Dutch started to go all crazy and Micah started to manipulate him even more.
Every time i come to CZcams this is the content i wind up getting, and i couldnt be happier
Always wondered why everyone in camp were constantly like “this is so hard, everything sucks here”. Then I realized that they don’t respawn...
I didn’t realize how far ahead of the game Hosea was he knew the downfall was coming before anyone else
Of course him and Lenny had to die and in the same mission
So ... does Hosea have TB?
No he has asthma
Atleast he doesn't have Lumbago..
Lung disease
@@codpro627 TB is a lung disease
The rumor is yes
0:40
"We're all doomed, just a question of when"
Hosea: *stares with fear*
He is up there with Arthur in being my favorite characters ever.
Hosea’s voice is always soothing and refreshing to hear. Definitely was one of my favorite characters
3:06 Bill giving John a drink so brotherly back then I miss it. And what happens to Bill in Rdr1 its depressing 😕
"We're all doomed, just a question of when." I like this sentence because Hosea said the same kind of speech to Lenny once
John: “I almost died, Arthur!”
Arthur: “Don’t worry, I know.”
5:31 Get outta here, lady, I'm trying to eavesdrop, LOL🤣
Nicely done video my friend. Thank you!
Hosea being the true father figure for both John and Arthur is truly such a beautiful part of the story that doesn’t get discussed enough, especially when Arthur talks about Hosea in his journal entries
and Jack. Hosea gave Jack the most important gift he could possibly have: learning how to read. Jack being a bookworm in the epilogue, you just gotta thank Hosea for that
They made these dialogues so well. Interesting how Hosea communicated better with John than Dutch. They both raised him but it’s like if one parent understands their kid a little more than the other
Is that someone whistling “cruel cruel world during the first convo?”
An excellent video! Thank you Sir
These conversations seem so natural. They did such a great job on this game. Its by far my favorite.
Can’t believe I missed on all of this!!
Hosea telling Marston to get out of the gang life due to his son does make something true, Arthur became Hosea, and seeing it rather than hearing it makes me proud of Arthur.
6:16 is actually a quote John said to bonnie McFarlane in rdr1. Love how rdr2 adds many qoutes of the first game into it.
That train heist theme at the end though...
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