Can Christians Travel to Heaven?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 8. 09. 2024
- Can Christians travel to heaven through self-induced visions and dream states? Today in our episode, we will be discussing dreams and visions. Can Christians travel to heaven through visions? Are some visions authentic while others are erroneous? If so how can we tell?
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Preach!! Thank you for speaking Godâs truth to His people with reverence and humility.
you don't know scripture, let alone even reading the bible, you dont know how to use it as a weapon or you don't know what it says you can do. if you don't put a key in a lock and turn it, then the door doesn't open. Read all of the book of acts, problem with the evangelical christian is they let jesus in their heart but never started speaking in tongues or started prophesying through prophetic utterance or have the experienced the full manifestations of the holyghost.
Thank you for sounding the alarm. Pointing us to scripture..â€
not entirely
Teachers that write books and preach about the âsecret knowledgeâ they received while in dreams and visions is a modern form of Gnosticism. This is huge. This has been a burden of mine for years now. Thanks Josh
Thatâs the birth place of the Passion Translation
So is Christian mysticism also just another form of Gnosticism?
Absolutely not...I believe in the supernatural and beautiful encounters and experiences in Gods presence. A life of union and intimacy with experience is mysticism in my book. Itâs when people teach formulas that arenât found in Scripture and they share encounters they had that have no grounding in scripture and teach people they need to follow certain steps to have the same encounters. People who possess to have a secret knowledge of God not found in Scripture but attained through their supernatural experiences. We must be rooted in Christology and all our supernatural encounters must stem from who Jesus is and whatâs Heâs done. Thatâs my take.
Gnosticism for dunderheads.
Absolutely. Claim of secret knowledge. At the core of almost all of false teachers and prophets.
Iâm sick to my stomach. Ppl in my church follow Kat Kerr and believe in the Bob Jones teaching. Pray for me to be clear in my words and heart to speak against this.
Leave that church, redrider! If a church full of grownups canât recognize that these âprophetsâ are just disturbed folks with the minds of children, your church has even bigger problems than Kerr and Jones.
@@CasperLCat One thing you can do is direct them to individuals who do know about the Bible and biblical teaching. Recommend people like Michael Hieser, John Walton, etc. Be casual about it. Be like, "You Like Kat Ker, you know who else you might like..." This is a method used to help people get away from cults, fundamentalism, and hate groups. Start small, like recommend them to someone that will not scare them as much, then slowly introduce them to more straightforward individuals like Michael Heiser. I also recommend you do stuff like question them why they believe what they believe. Be very casual, and ask, "why do you trust these people," "Why do you believe this," "Why do you think this way?" Just question them very casually, like you are genuinely curious. They might find themselves stumbling to answer and will start asking these questions to themselves. Again, another method used by therapists and experts to get people away from extremist groups.
Interesting comment. I also am in a church like this and it churns my gut if I worry about what I should do. God will give us the words and timing. When I submit and trust in him - my gut relaxes and I can have peace. If I stay in Him and come from peace and love I can listen to him and still be hones.t
How did things turn out eventually? Are you still at that church?
Read scripture , pray for understanding. It they donât speak according to Gods word donât listen .â€â€
This teaching corresponds with a dream I had last week. Praise Jesus! The take away from my dream was : The word of God always trumps any vision, revelation, no matter who it comes through.
We can have dreams and visions without contradicting scripture. It's not one or the other. Unless, of course, you believe in cessation?
I have watched several other sites on this topic. I no longer watch them because of the mocking attitude. What is being presented by them may be true, but when we realize how this grieves the very heart of God there is nothing to laugh at. I so appreciated your heart in this post. What grieves God should grieve us also...I so appreciate your heart in presenting this. It also helps so much that you believe in present-day gifts. I really believe the best conversation on these topics comes from those "in the house". I will tell others of your post. Blessings in necessary but difficult work. What I am reminded of is the childrens' story of the Emporer's New Clothes...everyone could see the obvious but no one would stand up and acknowledge it. I hesitate to use such a superficial comparison but it is incredible the acceptance of these teachings when they are far beyond credibility. What will happen to people when they realize the truth? Bless, & continue, K
Thank you Karla for expressing my thoughts exactly. I might not agree with everything about this youtube ministry but agree with denouncing spiritual errors and doctrine of demons in a respectfull godly way.
God bless you
It's so disturbing that so many people are accepting all manner of insanity such as this. A real wonder that they can't see that something is wrong. And if you say otherwise they seem to really get offended. I just don't understand it, unless they have at some point, in some ways, have maybe given themselves to this, and have compromised by staying in these environments - and have maybe ended up in a state of delusion? Have some been "given over to a reprobate mind?" I wonder? But something is terribly wrong, and so many of us have had to step away from them, in order to get free,and stay uninfected. This is a kind of warfare many of us could never have imagined. Survival is essential of course. We can never go back to this.
Brother, I can see the tears in your eyes. Thank you for your passionate deep love for the Bride of Christ. Love you Brother May the Lord Bless you with His Presence and Peace even in the midst of challenges.
Iâm feeling Embarrassed for them... This really hurts the faith. None believers would make a mockery of our Faith!
My flat mates say, why do I believe in fairy-tales, ie the Bible. Hearing this Katt... how do I explain THIS???????
I used to attend Womenâs Aglow about 20 years ago and Kat Kerr was a speaker at one of our meetings. She was very convincing in her presentation. This was during a time in my life where I was so desperate for the Presence of God, and was open to hear what she had to say. Fortunately I have grown in wisdom and discernment, but there are many who are where I was and are being lured into this dangerous teaching. It really saddens me that sheâs still so prominent in the charismatic community. Tells you where the Charismatic Movement is heading.
you don't know scripture, let alone even reading the bible, you dont know how to use it as a weapon or you don't know what it says you can do. if you don't put a key in a lock and turn it, then the door doesn't open. Read all of the book of acts, problem with the evangelical christian is they let jesus in their heart but never started speaking in tongues or started prophesying through prophetic utterance or have the experienced the full manifestations of the holyghost.
I have had some of the exact same experiences with teachers "leading us to the 3rd heaven" and describing the "rooms in heaven" in Pentecostal churches over the years. I fell for it too because I didn't have the wisdom to verify these teachings with the Word of God. I can see now how much harm it has done to me personally and the church (and friends) globally. Thank you for being brave and putting this out there, I started reading the bible through starting at the beginning a few months ago due to Remnant Radio so that as you all encourage, to test every word with the Scriptures that are the infallible word of God. I am so grieved at the things I believed (and no longer do) but so deep appreciative of yalls work in leading people to Truth.
Thank you, Mindy. Do you mind sharing where you experienced someone trying to take you to the 3rd heaven, and who was leading that charge. If you feel uncomfortable sharing here publically, feel free to message us on Facebook privately.
@@TheRemnantRadio I don't mind stating it publicly since it was done in public. It was at Storehouse Dallas and the guy who led the "heaven" encounter had the last name Duda (can't remember his first name).
@@mindychristopher2512 I just spoke with the store houses associate pastor Matthew Esquivel (a friend of mine). He was aware Of what you were referring to. But they have a assured me that they have policed those teaching that and reject the teachings of the courts of heaven and self induced visions of heaven. Thank you for bringing this up though. Transparency like this is how we can fix these abuses
@@TheRemnantRadio wow that's really great to hear. I love Matthew, he is the sweetest guy. I am sure things have changed a lot there since I bounced. Thanks for addressing it so quickly, grateful for the information you share and your hearts behind it.
What did you experience in this third heaven trips?
Thank you Josh for the respectful way you approached this subject and these false teachers. I really enjoy your broadcasts!!
"Don't check your brain at the door for an experience", & "You don't have permission to teach about anything that is not in scripture."
Grand Slams right there!
This is the most impactful issue in my Christian life bc I was one of the duped. I had a seminary degree & knew the truth. I was lured in during my conversation from cessationism to believing the Holy Spirit acts today. The key argument in my head was, âWell, I thought the Holy Spirit baptism wasnât for today but I was wrong about that and these charismatic people were right, so what else do they know that I donât?â After the baptism in the Spirit I experienced dreams, visions, and had other experiences and I looked for people who could help me understand what I was experiencing. None of my pastors had a clue but Bethel claimed to. I should add that I was a pastor and taught these things to my congregation.
It all changed when I saw no oneâs lives were changing. There was no interest in scriptures. The same folks who said they had a âthrone room experience â were staying on drugs and sleeping around. That caused me to look at what I taught and believed. Long story short I repented in front of my congregation for doing and teaching wrong and disbanded my group. Iâve spent the last three years with God relearning the scriptures and digging deep foundations. Iâve also reached out to individuals and repented one on one.
This issue is so important. There are a lot more people out there who are/were duped. Itâs hard to come out bc the experiences are often real. God changes hearts though.
Thank you for sharing, I'm also one of these people who were duped. I call this season a spiritual re-education.
you don't know scripture, let alone even reading the bible, you dont know how to use it as a weapon or you don't know what it says you can do. if you don't put a key in a lock and turn it, then the door doesn't open. Read all of the book of acts, problem with the evangelical christian is they let jesus in their heart but never started speaking in tongues or started prophesying through prophetic utterance or have the experienced the full manifestations of the holyghost.
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"Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons, through the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared." 1 Timothy 4 CSB
Nothing is new under the sun yet I can't help but mourn for those who are misled
@@BD-ir7gp I would hope not! Idols can come in the form of many things so I agree we all need to heed the warning!
@@BD-ir7gp literally they were paying attention to teachings of demons ,listen again and don't defend this nonense
Josh's facial expressions on some of these thumbnsils are everything
According to the NT , all prophecy has its accomplishment in Jesus Christ and spiritual gifts are for the building up of the church , and not for parachuting us into lunacy !
@@simonallchin7436 agreed
The best
Dude!! This is SOOOOO GOOD! Thank you for sharing this message! I am so many Christians fall prey to this stuff and not understanding the foundations of Christianity. I am seeing so much focused on the emotions. I FIRMLY believe in the gifts of the Spirit too! I love how balanced you are!
I was deep into this culture of hyper-false Charismatic teaching. I started backing away when Todd Bentley disaster happened. I've been evaluating what I and my friends believed and taught. I want to stay in the Biblical truth about Charismatic teaching. As I have been learning and leaving, my friends (past friends now) have opposed me. When I step out to question teachings from certain teachers, prophets, Passion bible, etc. I have been accused of having a critical spirit. It's become a hard place to find the Biblical Charismatic fellowship. Thank you so much for bringing light to so many things. God bless your ministry.
Jesus Christ is truth. Focus on Him and His word. Anything else is not worth it
Everytime I try to adress these topics/ churches/ hyper charaistmatic teachings , I get a lot of the same backlash. It is hard to just have a conversation with some of them. I just pray that they will read scripture/ watch different pastors, and discern for themselves with the power of the Holy Spirit.
@@taylorclark1048 It's the same with people who are emotionally charged with politics. There is no speaking logic to them
Iâm in your exact same position.
Public service announcement: For the Bob Jones clip, click the triple dots at the top right of your screen and change the speed to .75. Youâre welcome đ
Thank you so much...I couldn't understand a thing... đ
" having these experiences so they can write a book...." nailed it. Its the business model of many. Keep going
This one is borderline for me simply because 5 years after my salvation experience, I was still incredibly grateful thankful to the Lord and I would worship and worship for hours at a time with weeping and crying and in gratitude. One night as I was worshiping I had been worshiping about 4 hours just weeping and crying before the Lord and all of a sudden I was in heaven it was so incredibly beautiful the flowers were magnificent colors that I'd never seen before the air was like something I can't even explain it it made a noise. The very air had this faint musical tinkle that I can't tell you what instrument it was magnificent and then I was back in my body worshiping. So because of that experience I cannot say no that doesn't happen but the excesses I see are incredibly questionable. And as far as these various people we've got to cry out for discernment most of them I can't even handle listening to so that tells me something right there
i did as well. i know its real. its just some of the stuff bob jones was teaching sounded off
@@farealwitit7947 I haven't heard anything Bob taught as being off according to my experiences in Christ but I believe the safest place to be is focusing on Jesus not gifts
how he told people to ascend sounded weird. and the whole breathing thing. yes you are correct, but were to desire the gifts amen. its a part of focusing on jesus@@valeriab9735
I'm in agreement with you. In a deep sorrowful time of my life I heard the audible voice of God. We are in Him, but I don't use that as a platform for anything. It was a moment meant for me. There is something wrong with Bob and Kat. I followed Kat for a while myself...
Thanks for this video Josh. I think the 1st video you showed (the Bob Jones meditation spirit guide encounter) was way more alarming than the Kat Kerr video( which was just silly). It made my heart feel sick to see all the congregants agreeing to pair themselves with demons ("unemployed angels" really).
As to Todd Bentley and Bob Jones....their experiences are called Astral travelling...been there done that when I was in New age and the occult... very dangerous ....NOT BIBLICAL AT ALL!
I agree with your above comment. They are teaching witchcraft.
And... I know you were being cute with the "unemployed angels" comment. Not to correct you but to share what I've learned. Demons are the product of the mix of fallen Angels & the daughters of men. Demons are half breeds, bastard spirits, created in rebellion to God. Since they are not created by God, they are damned. They were the "Nephilim" ( giants) who had phisical bodies & roamed the earth. ( men of great renown ) who died & lost their physical form. They knew the flesh with it's lusts. I believe that is why they posses. They desire to experience & satisy those lusts of the flesh again. Not to mention they hate us because we are in God's image, so they torture mankind. GENESIS 6; 1-4
Good call in pointing out the heresy of what they are doing.
Honestly this really hits home because I have witnessed some versions of these distortions of scriptures and âsignsâ and for some reason I always felt uneasy about it and then wrestled with the idea that maybe I am not having enough faith or not being âopenâ to the heavenly things which are by nature other worldly anyways... so it gets to a point where I have been genuinely at a loss of how to confront these things even with scripture since they themselves are using scripture. I am so afraid of misinterpreting scripture and condemning something that âmightâ be from God , while at the same time knowing full well that the scriptures themselves warn about these very things. Itâs truly heartbreaking and I am still trying to understand how to discern and when to call something out, because ultimately God is the judge.
you don't know scripture, let alone even reading the bible, you dont know how to use it as a weapon or you don't know what it says you can do. if you don't put a key in a lock and turn it, then the door doesn't open. Read all of the book of acts, problem with the evangelical christian is they let jesus in their heart but never started speaking in tongues or started prophesying through prophetic utterance or have the experienced the full manifestations of the holyghost.
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Oh p*ss off bro
@@divineOrders683stop copy & pasting same thing over & over đ€Šââïž
Josh, I appreciate your careful and thoughtful dissection of these. And also the exhortation that we must not fall into mocking and ridiculing those who may have fallen into or simply made errors. It's too easy for that attitude to swing way over into the Hyper Critical "ministry" side, which it seems to foster mean spirited and self-righteous attitudes. I want to guard my heart against that.
I have watched almost all of your Remnant vids. Theyâre great but Iâve never felt more proud of you and agreed with you more. Keep going and never lose that passion!
Thanks for the warning! I'm a homeschooling mom and turned the video off until I had privacy.
I am finishing this in the morning...I am literally crying. The remorse...the grief in my spirit...
you don't know scripture, let alone even reading the bible, you dont know how to use it as a weapon or you don't know what it says you can do. if you don't put a key in a lock and turn it, then the door doesn't open. Read all of the book of acts, problem with the evangelical christian is they let jesus in their heart but never started speaking in tongues or started prophesying through prophetic utterance or have the experienced the full manifestations of the holyghost.
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The people that brought me to Christ are part of a charismatic church. I didnât feel comfortable with some of the things that I saw in their church. Once I really started studying the bible and found my own church, I had to deconstruct a lot of their teachings and relearn and figure out for myself what I thought the truth was. My friend actually gave my a Kat Kerr book. The last year or so, I have been trying to get them to see the error in some of the things they believe. They absolutely refuse to listen. Itâs so frustrating. Especially since I am very prophetic and God has given me warnings for them but they wonât take me seriously. I have found Remnant Radio so helpful in helping me understand things I have had questions about and I couldnât be more thankful.
I understand . Also have a friend that believes like that. Ask and pray to the Lord to open up their spiritual eyes. 2 Corinthians 4:4. God bless you!
This is one of the best Christian talk shows I've heard. Amazing work in the Holy Spirit, brother. The legitimatecy feels great
Thanks, Thunderbolt
I really want to thank and appreciate you guys, I have really been going through a lot of correction recently by the Holy Spirit in the some of the doctrines that I have held in the past. I like hearing people's/denominations perspectives (not just to believe) but to go back to scripture and see if there is truth to what is being said. I always found two sides, super ultra charismatic/Pentecostal/Word of Faith vs cesseastionist/anti-(idk what to call it lol)/heretic hunter and both sides have just felt off, as scriptures were taking out of context on both sides at any cost just to "be right" and prove someone else wrong rather than reading scripture to come to the knowledge of the Truth. I definitely started to take "one side" but knew something was still not right. I have been realizing that much of the doctrine that I have held has not been the most sound and I'm glad to find you all to really offer genuine conversation and creating a platform for believers to learn under the authority of scripture. I really pray that the Lord will keep on using your ministry to reach different church leaders and believers so that balanced teaching and unity can be restored to the church.
Edit: I haven't watched this video yet but I have been watching some of your past ones.
Very well done sir!! I'm right with you that if we dont teach and lead our own community then we have no leg to stand on with our dissenters. Cleaning up the bad and corrupt doctrines in the church is the responsibility of the scripturally mature and we ignore it to our own shame. You are not alone in addressing these thing with the Spirit of Truth and in love. Never be ashamed of your zeal for the word of God and the love of the body of Christ.
Heaven is very real, but when people say lies it grieves my spirit. Lord have mercy. đȘ
Man, being honest. I come from shades of this, never this extreme, and I appreciate the sobering thoughts and exaltation of Jesus and the Scriptures. I find a lot of this is rooted in pride and exaltation of the self (covered in Christian jargon and language). I believe in visions and dreams, but it is by His grace that He invites us and brings us into those encounters. Itâs not conjuring. This is just a great video doused in wisdom and the Holy Spirit. Thank u brothas! I glean a lot from yâallâs channel and ministry.
I guess you could say I was "Charismatic." Maybe Pentecostal would be a better term. I think I am more conservative (for lack of a better term) than a lot of Baptists. I just don't want to do a lot of "weird stuff" in my old age....But, I still believe in the miraculous, as long as it lines up with the Bible....................
So, you would more likely line up with what (Calvary Chapel) believes...? They basically are Evangelical, but believe all the gifts are still for today.
call "a wanna-be Baptist C
Sorry about the typo! I have had some experience at a "wanna-be" Baptist Church, Table Mountain Chapel. I went there Sunday morning/Sunday night and to the "Assemblies" on Weds. night. Eventually I joined the latter Church. Because of moving, I attended and joined a few Churches. Maybe you could call me a Bapti-Costal-Luthera-Friend (if there is such a thing). This is over 53 years of being a Christian.
I am living in one place, retired, and I have time to study. I want to check out the Baptist Church at 8:30 AM and the "Pentecostal" Church around 10:00 AM. I haven't checked out Calvary Chapel yet. I thought they were a Reformed Church..
I don't know have anything against the "Reformed," but I'm NOT ONE. I will try to study Calvary Chapel and see what I come up with.......
Never in my life of 72 years have I seen and experienced so much apostasy leading to division. So many churches and believers are going off the rails, continually seeking miraculous experiences and signs, wonders. I succumbed to pressure and influences from charismatic friends and wandered into some serious theological weeds! Iâm grieved about all this and have repented. Iâve lost many friends and honestly canât find any church in our area that is charismatic AND biblically sound. So Iâm not fellowshipping in a church now which I difficult. I do not want to be out of fellowship.
Kat Kerr's version of Heaven sounds like the Land of Oz
Cows fly the copters âŠ
Just finished and all those clips were so grievous. Now I realize why you said to get the kids out of the room. Jesus, help us. Thank you for being a bold truth teller.
A lot of the techniques used for these "tours" are exactly the same as I'd use as warmups for creative writing to get the imagination going. As soon as Bob Jones started doing the exercise of imagining how the bread smelt, looked, felt etc., I recognized what he was doing (possibly unintentionally). What wanders through your mind at that point is nothing more than imagination. It's not wrong to imagine heaven, etc., as long as you realize that it is just that: your human imagination. It's not what heaven's really like (it's going to be even better than we can imagine; 1 Corinthians 2:9).
Found you 2 years after this was streamed. This is very dangerous, what they are calling into lives of "believers" thank you for making it public. Am no one important in this world, but do have experience with the occult (pre Jesus)...pray for them that they will be given discerment.
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Thank you for this! My husband and I are able to process a lot of previous experiences with hyper charismatics through conversations like this. Thank you for your content! We feel affirmed by this. Your words were seasoned with salt and your passion and burden for the lost are so evident.
You are so welcome!
I like when those who consider themselves Pentecostal or charismatic, are willing to judge according to the word of God, people that teach within there own movement. More of this should be done.
Thank you remnant radio guys that weâre willing to speak on this issue. đđŒđ
The only question Iâve got is if anyone asked Bethel and the leaders at about this and practices like this?
When I watched yalls "responding to bethels objections" video , I really started to try to cut bethel some slack , he really acted like it was a very small group of people who were participating in these wierd/astral projection/grave soacking all of that, but after watching this video , seeing a room pack full of people all taking place in something like that, it really scares me. Will be praying for these people, and praying that some elders/pastors / people of the church will start standing up anf testing these things. There is a large church in my community that follows bethel in the way they teach, I am afraid they are drifting more and more toward these expierience based encounters/ visions/dreams. I see alot of my old friends drifting toward these activities/ seeking them out continually. Thankful for your videos, I am going to try and reach out refer yalls channel as well as them listen to other preacher/ pastors / channels and read their bible and discern for themselves with the power of the Holy spirit helping them.
This is astral projection. Re: the Kat Kerr portion- the symbolism of children, farms, and rabbits is really hurting my heart. The people who arenât even questioning this and are in agreement with this is heartbreaking.
Yes, more people need to be aware of astral projection and how dangerous it is.
She has an extremely large following.
Josh, thanks for your heart about being grounded in the word. I love hearing from the Lord and have misinterpreted things âI thought He saidâ too many times. What stinks is when it causes others to doubt. For that Iâm sorryđą. The solution to mitigate my mistakes has been deeper study, deeper life of prayer and occasional fasting mixed in.
Love Jesus and love your show bro!
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Your hardwork really came through, Josh. I enjoyed the video, and I think it was incredibly beneficial.
We must remember to pray for the pastors of all those being misled, because they will be judged that much harder.
Yes we have to fight I'm praying day and night for them
This was probably my favorite episode. Thank you for your heart and your ministry. It is making a difference, at least in my life.
you don't know scripture, let alone even reading the bible, you dont know how to use it as a weapon or you don't know what it says you can do. if you don't put a key in a lock and turn it, then the door doesn't open. Read all of the book of acts, problem with the evangelical christian is they let jesus in their heart but never started speaking in tongues or started prophesying through prophetic utterance or have the experienced the full manifestations of the holyghost.
Since Covid. My grandmas been watching kat ker, and Iâm worried for her. Please pray for her because she keeps watching prophetic stuff and nothing else!
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Part of me wonders how many pastors are choosing to ignore sound teaching for the sake of crazy experiences with their local church.
Take it to your local church only works if you're in a good church. I've only recently been saved from a female pastored church where church leaders didn't believe in Hell đ
The Lord is opening my eyes to all of this error right now in my very church... Thank you for providing me with a resource to further my understanding & research. I appreciate your sobriety & humility in examining all of these topics.
I felt mildly sick to my stomach listening to Kat. I tend to be neutral on prophetic experiences as I have witnessed a few for myself come to pass. I tend to get frustrated by discernment ministries as most of them seem to be run by cessationists who automatically assume that every supernatural experience comes from the devil. It is refreshing to hear somebody who functions in the gifts offer a passionate and humble critique. Thank you. Keep it up.
The bob jones is one clip although I see your point my leaders have been personal friends and mentors to him and he was a respectful biblical man. This man is ligit and everything has has done prophetic wise has been tested and very true including âgoing upâ I would try to do more studies on him and read books and listen to people who has been around him before making assumptions just saying
Josh you said pretty much what I thought. Their testimonies prove what happens when we put our trust in ourselves, instead of in scripture.
One thing you can do is direct them to individuals who do know about the Bible and biblical teaching. Recommend people like Michael Hieser, John Walton, etc. Be casual about it. Be like, "You Like Kat Ker, you know who else you might like..." This is a method used to help people get away from cults, fundamentalism, and hate groups. Start small, like recommend them to someone that will not scare them as much, then slowly introduce them to more straightforward individuals like Michael Heiser. I also recommend you do stuff like question them why they believe what they believe. Be very casual, and ask, "why do you trust these people," "Why do you believe this," "Why do you think this way?" Just question them very casually, like you are genuinely curious. They might find themselves stumbling to answer and will start asking these questions to themselves. Again, another method used by therapists and experts to get people away from extremist groups.
Wow... Lord help Your Church. Thank you Josh for this video.
I agree, Josh, that these are nothing to scoff at. My spirit has been so grieved over this movement for years now. It is so sad that many are already so indoctrinated in it and they are blind and deaf to hear it is not of God. I continue to pray for all those called by God's name that the captives will be set free.
One more thing. Iâm pretty sure this is the first Remnant Radio video Iâve personally seen where false prophets were called out. And Iâm encouraged to see it, because I know how charismatics tend to be. They only listen to other charismatics, or at least itâs that way with my family. The thing is, though, you gotta go deeper and wider than just these three. Jones is dead, Bentley is scandalized, and Kerrâs likely soon to be marginalized and discredited for all her Trump madness, or at least we hope and pray she is. Believe it or not, my wife and I have had folks on both sides of our families fall for her that donât even know each other. âWell, she preached the gospel.â Thatâs what I was told last time I brought her name up to a very dear family member that went down to see her couple of years ago. Shine the light, brothers. Shine the light wherever it needs to be shined and donât keep it under a bushel.
Watch their New Year's Eve podcast. 8 hours of it, all balanced and with humility.
@@philtucker3154 Thatâs cool, but I wonder why it took 8 hrs, and who has that kind of time? Hereâs my short and sweet take on modern day prophets, at least the ones on social media. How many warned the church of Covid? And how many proclaimed that Trump wouldnât get four more years if he didnât repent? Au contraire....right? Blessings, brother.
We call out false prophets in this
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We identify Copeland as Apostate here
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We warn people about the false teachings of Robert Henderson here
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We condemn the teachings of Richard roar as a false teacher here
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Josh, thank you for getting real. I SO appreciate this video. You've just described the entire guest roster of Sid Roth's "It's Supernatural!" All the "I've been to Hell AND Heaven!" guys, and the "Powerful new way to pray for maximum healing!" dudes, and the "Jesus commanded us to vote for Donald Trump!" groups, and the "Jesus revealed the heavenly thrown room to ME, and I was bathed in fresh oil!" girl. NO!! Ugh! So many subscribe to that show and to the ministries of these false prophets. I love our brothers and sisters in Christ, but these "prophets" need to get outta here with this nonsense, and get real about the gospel. I'm concerned for Kat Kerr's actual mental health. This is a woman who appears to be unraveling, and the demonic have honed in on this woman to perpetuate her delusions.
Unraveling... That's a good way to put it.......
Bruh! Your beginning and ending monologue was awesome. If I squinted you looked like a mix of Fergie and Braveheart.
Seriously, loved the passion for truth in love. This is one reason why you have this platform.
Bro! Thank you for doing this! It is so helpful for many. Keep it up and stay Christ-centered. đ
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Love you, Josh and all your hard work. Thank you so much. Make sure you spend time with your family and friends and most of all, Jesus.
30 minutes in. I'm so attentive, I never pray after having dreams I always share everything and this has made me feel I need to be careful... And now i will turn it off as my children are around
Thank you, very informative, and heartbreaking.
I appreciate the time you took to prepare a thoughtful look into this issue.
Blessings from Canada, âïžđ
I have a dear friend that once was very biblical and intellectual about her face, but she has sadly gone Head Over Heels into this tragic deception. It is scary at times listening to these teachers and hearing her words echo their's verbatim. If anyone reads this please join me in praying for my friend and pray for me as well that I might be given the words and patient gentleness that would lead to her being snatched from the fire.
"The enemy will get us with pride the same way that he got them with deception".
WOW, so good, yes.
I'm having a hard time believing that this is actually spiritual deceit as opposed to just making this stuff up for whatever reason, attention, money, a platform? Especially the last one. It just seems like when kids tell you a story. The first one, is a little more deceptive to people because they thirst for these experiences. I was in that environment for a while and truly desired more of God and this was the way I was supposed to have it. But no matter how much I prayed, confessed, and sought out, I never received these experiences. I used to wonder what was wrong with me and more painfully, rejected by God the Father. I felt passed over and it lead to doubts in the faith. Thankfully, I never gave up on seeking out the truth and that's because God never let go of me. I don't have how the Holy Spirit works all neatly tied up in a neatly packaged box. Unfortunately, I am more skeptical than ever. However, I see how all those times that I didn't have those "experiences" I see how God was protecting me from false spirits and/or doctrine. For that, I am thankful. Please keep these coming because I am listening and as well as being well versed in the Bible on these things to that I may think and believe on these rightly. Hope that makes sense. Either way, I appreciate y'all!
Thank you Josh for battling the forces of evil. Those who don't follow Jesus are against Him. They are deceived by their father the devil. We need to pray to our Lord and Savior that we fall in love with the truth, His word! We are so blessed Lord Jesus left us with the truth. We need to pray for those who are lost. Prayer is powerful! God bless you Josh and I thank Father God for you and you ministry! May the Holy Spirit fill all of us with life and truth!
This is a very important video. Josh thank you for being willing to address issues such as these with a loving heart. Hard task, I felt myself getting angry and sickened while watching those videos.
Lord give us Your Truth and love with a humble heart
Thank you for doing this. I'm blown away by the way you are speaking truth in love. Firm yet kind with respect. This is good, you are doing good work. Thank you for the way you approach this topic. I pray for a generation of people who are able to unify sound doctrine and biblical spiritual practices with all wisdom. You are doing this, and it is so beautiful and encouraging.
Haven't seen the video yet - but in answer to the question in the title:
Can Christians travel to heaven? No.
Can Christians be taken up to heaven by God at HIS choosing? Yes.
Paul and John are two examples of that happening.
No one can choose to go at will as many false prophets claim they do.
Paul didn't even say it was him who went to heaven. He did not tell people to desire traveling to heaven. John was shown what is in heaven and it is recorded in scripture.
Sounds like Kat's has a huge imagination.
@@joycelint6652 Pastor Roberts Liardon of Embassy Church,Orlando claims this happened to him when he was 8 years old and he played with Jesus in the stream of life etc. He wrote a book about it in his late teens and it has sold worldwide. He still preaches about it. I have never believed him or others who make this claim. There are many who say that Jesus took them to hell , funny but I thought He was trying to keep us away from it , seems He is now given guided tours of it as well as giving guided tours of Heaven !
@@joycelint6652 Context indicates that he was talking about himself. But it was not by his will that he was taken there, and you are righty there is NO suggestion being made by him that anyone should expect or desire a similar experience.
But if God chooses to take someone up to heaven in the present day, for whatever purpose He may have - I'm not going to deny Him the right to do that.
John 3:13
Thank you for this. I have been backing away from ministers who quote any of these guys. The scriptures are our anchor.
My walk has been so affected by this nonsense , when I have questioned these practises I have been told to have more grace ? Such compromise in the body , it is such deception .
Makes me cry at the disrespect and no fear and truth .
I thank God for this , for those speaking out
God bless you Josh, keep the good work and let us pray so that God will continue to expose those false prophets
I really appreciate this video. I really like David Pawsons approach to 'new age saying that new age is an attitude or mode of seeking extra biblical experiences. When that happens one moves away from the real Jesus and sway to an antichrist spirit.
Kat Kerr is on Elijah Streams every Wednesday, with her fantastical stories. Iâll go in to the comment section and try to warn her many followers of why this is not Biblical. I donât get mean, just tell them Scripture. Yes, I agree, we must approach this with Christâs love. I hope more will join me there on Wednesdays to speak truth. âBrethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. â James 5:19-20
I appreciate you talking about not listening with your kids, I have the same feelings. I listen to everything with an AirPod in or after bedtime now. Speaking of kids, the last one (đŹđł) broke my heart because of the parents who lost children could be eating this up for comfort. So so so sad.
According to the NT all prophecy has its full accomplishment in Jesus Christ and spiritual gifts are for the building up of the church , and not for parachuting us into absurd lunacy , worthy of 'Alice in wonderland' ( as some listeners have said) . After this , how can we expect reasonably intelligent non Christians to be drawn to Christ ????????
A balanced, unbiased, and scripturally-founded exposure of the subject, as usual!
As the founder of the Assemblies of God churches in Brazil once said, while prophecy is given by God for edification, our only foundation for doctrine should be the Scriptures, and Scriptures alone, not prophecies, dreams or visions... I believe this is why we have been seeing so much 'weirdness' among many Charismatic circles nowadays: many have been neglecting the Bible as the foundation for doctrine and turned towards supernatural experiences for that... and, sadly, that is the result
It's always the same story: The scripituralists vs. the spiritualists. When the biblical prophecies were given they were received by the religious intelligentsia in the same manner as it is today, with sheer suspicion. It says: But covet earnestly the best gifts, but seldom anyone says how to do it. And when somebody starts doing it then they must be wrong, because it is God that has to initiate everything. Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance... and
John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and he heard behind him a great voice, as of a trumpet. Peace!
Scripture only shows that happening to Peter on one occasion--it wasn't a daily occurrence. John was given specific words to the 7 churches and other things that believers need to know about things happening in heaven (worship) and things to come.
I question the people who have prophecies everyday and dreams with meaning all the time. They make their living at this. I've had about 2 or 3 dreams in my lifetime that had personal meaning to me (I'm 74) and great impact in my life. I;ve received prophecy on a few occasions or words of knowledge. I've given words of wisdom to people. It doesn't happen all the time.
I am in the continuation camp, and have big concern about so much that is going on today that gets people worked up emotionally but brings forth little fruit in lives. Also scripture tells us to discern and judge the words coming forth.
@@joycelint6652 I understand. I agree with you my dear sister. Now, in my humble opinion, the Bible only registers those occasions that were of vital importance in the development of God's plan of redemption, like when the Gospel was going to be shared for the first time with the Gentiles. Regarding this point, these scripture is of vital importance: And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. The same applies for all the apostoles and all the men and women of God that walk in the manifestation of the Kingdom of God and see the miraculous in a regular manner. But having said this, we have to judge every manifestation through the Word of God and test the spirits, to see if they are from the Lord. In that regard, this scripture is of vital importance: And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And... Peter answered Him and said, âLord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water.â Peace!
I grew up in Brazilian Charismatic Movement, it has gotten worse over the years to the point they are not teaching Bible. I left 12 years ago. But still extremely dominant in churches around me. What makes things worse, because it's a culture of have and have nots. Jealousy within the leadership, it's always leading to fights and division. So church breaks up every 5-7 years. If they are not popular enough, they end up returning to the church, they ones were part of. If they do become popular, they are rivals to each other. It's so bizarre. They ban Theology studies outside of the church. There is a weird angel worship..... I can go on and on about all things I have seen....
Angel worship???
I left Brazil 12 years ago. I didnt have much contact with the charismatics movements but I had heard some absurds. But I still miss the Brazilian Church. I live in Sweden and the church here is extremely cold and doesn't teach the bible as it should. It makes me cry
@@Mical.dos.Santos.Nilsson I live in US. It's a here too. I live in a town of maybe 15000+ Brazilians. There are about 60+ Brazilian Churches. Most are divisions from the larger ones.
My concern is people are living churches, and are getting into Internet Theology. Talk about getting out of the frying pan, into the fire. âčïž
@@msblanqui1 Yep really. The President Pastor of the church I left. Had visits of an angelic being. And it would take him up to heavens library. Show him secrets. He even wrote a book of it's secrets revealed to him. He wasnt taken seriously by the other Pastors of the church. But his book was available to the church for years. Didn't matter because he would preach everything, when ever he could. This was around the time I left, about 4 years ago. He had a stroke, survived. But even being bedded and recovering. He wouldn't let go of the position of President Pastor. Church when into dept, so they tried to sale a few campuses. But the Pastors of those campuses wouldn't agree. So the church eventually broke up, this would probably be 20th+ time.
@@Kintizen aqui onde vivo, eu sou a Ășnica brasileira evangĂ©lica. As pessoas aqui tbm estĂŁo deixando as igrejas, especialmente os jovens q cresceram em ambientes evangĂ©licos. Ă td muito triste.
Thank you for preaching the truth. Lots of confirmations of what I understand. Blessings
These clips are absolutely horrifying--how can God fearing, Bible believing Christians swallow the lies and distortions these people purport to have had and want the rest of us to experience??? TY for confronting and exposing--please continue to educate us and warn us about the heresies and false teachings out there. It's so grievous to the truth, the character, the beauty and holiness of God!!
God have mercy on us for our heresy
Josh this is an excellent teaching and so exposes the evil in the hyper charismatic church. Your right it should break our heart and we need to pray for them, but at the end of the day they are deceived and we need to call it what it isâŠNUTS!! But I love this video and so appreciate your boldness to call this stuff out. Thank you so much!!
I wonder if some of these people claiming to have "gone to heaven" etc may just be very business savvy, seen a gap in the market, & are milking it for all it's worth, maybe recognizing that people are so undiscerning. Laughing all the way to the bank.
Their fans laugh along with them, unaware that they're being fleeced. This might be a spiritual warfare we never imagined would happen right in the Church. But good to know it's not happening everywhere, and that there are genuine, safe, caring and responsible pastors and elders đ
Unfortunately, a lot of Christians are seeking experience over The World of God, the Bible.
This was so good to watch, but really heartbreaking to get through. I came out of the new age little over two years ago when I came across historical context for the Bible and the resurrection, but I am from the NAR movement pretty deep prior to my new age experiences. I fully believe that the way we practiced our spirituality in our NAR movement set me up perfectly to practice New Age later, because it truly felt no different than I thought I was being prepared for this new revelation. It is hard to put into words when I look back at the mess of the Hyper charismatic teachings. I reached out to a few of my old leaders and have gotten no response but Iâm sure I need to keep practicing how to discuss this in a biblical way, it can seem so so confusing to confront this biblically to some of these people!
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My family has almost been broken apart over Kat Kerr, I don't know how to talk about this with my family without a huge upheaval.
you don't know scripture, let alone even reading the bible, you dont know how to use it as a weapon or you don't know what it says you can do. if you don't put a key in a lock and turn it, then the door doesn't open. Read all of the book of acts, problem with the evangelical christian is they let jesus in their heart but never started speaking in tongues or started prophesying through prophetic utterance or have the experienced the full manifestations of the holyghost.
Glad someone you are speaking truth about this counterfeiting. May Holy Spirit bring clarity
Love the passion Joshua, great episode.
This is the reason why the John MacArthurs of the Christian faith go to the complete opposite end of the supernatural spectrum. And while thatâs not good either, itâs understandable when you see these âprophetsâ using the gifts of the Spirit for personal gain. And yes, theyâre making a killing doing it and they will answer to God. If they are in fact seeing these ridiculous visions, itâs not from God but from something demonic. I think itâs important for shows like this, who take scripture seriously, to act as Bereans defending the gifts of the Spirit yet exposing the abuse of them.
Appreciate your approach in saying that we should judge with love if people are sincere but confused versus the extra biblical charlatans that are out to deceive. Love your story about the angel of darkness. It's great to see you being balanced with the practices of these people. I agree that we cannot judge their final destination of Heaven or Hell. But I hope you'll understand why channels like mine also also focus on the others like Bill Johnson, Che Ahn, Todd White, Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinnn and the rest that endorse and support the same people you mentioned today. I don't believe a true servant of Christ could be sooooo blinded as to fellowship and promote people like this. Blessings Josh.
Yeah bro, I think decrement ministries are supper important. Iâve said that quite a few times. Iâm not anti-discernment ministries. And even the ones that occasionally bleed over Into scoffing I wouldnât totally Disregard. We all make errors in judgment from time to time.
I only mean those who make their living scoffing and mocking others. People who take joy in calling out heretics so that it feeds their own personal ego, I am fearful for those guys.
I donât know you or your ministry enough to say either way. But I donât get that sense from the 5 or 6 videos of yours I have seen.
And thank you for the encouragement bro! I really do appreciate it. It does mean a lot.
About Kat Kerr's vision: I think the lady has watched too much kids' TV, which is oftentimes of the spirit from below.
Almost every thing she described, reminded me of something I have seen on the rectangular screen or read in a fantasy book.
The visions described by prophets in the Bible are of something that had not been seen before on the earth. For example, the cherubim/seraphim.
Cows on tractors?
I personally believe there will be animals in heaven. After all, it says that the wolf will lie down with the lamb and the lion will eat grass like an ox, and a child will lead them. - That actually sounds much more exciting to me than painting eggs with the help of giant rabbits. I think this lady is deceived.
I donât just think such nonsense is deception, I KNOW it is. Church, please grow up into the Head, Christ Jesus, and read the Word. Stay in the narrow way and âin simplicity and devotion to Christ.â Donât be looking for âspecial revelationsâ but serve the Lord in meekness, love and in single heartedness.
I agree processing in community is ideal - and the concept of bringing such to your pastor or church is on one level ideal, but Iâve also been in community where dream interpretation and receiving messages from God in dreams was frowned upon. That was a bit painful, but in the end it helped me to find brothers that valued the ways God speaks.
I mostly see what you are saying here is an accurate evaluation. The only thing I have an issue with in this critique is the interchange of "God's Word" being scripture. "God's Word" is Jesus. I would say that the authority given us would be through Jesus, not scripture, but it also would not contradict scripture.
My problem with Bethel still selling this book and keeping the teaching videos online is that it is like Old Teatament Israel having a âdivided heartâ by having Tabernacle/Temple worship while also sacrificing & worshipping idols at the âhigh placesâ and at the âAsherah polesâ (âgrovesâ in NKJV). They refused to completely âclean up their act.â This lack of discernment (seems to happen in several different ways over the lifetime of the church while under Bill Johnson) and UNWILLINGNESS to remove demonic teachings reveals a mixture that is possibly evidence of a leaven that leavenâs the whole loaf. Yes, stand against those who are clothed as shepherds but lead the sheep into damnable, demonic, enslaving error. I think Jesus called such persons âwolves.â
And definitely, no ârestoration processâ should have the end goal of restoration to ministry, i.e. having the care responsibilities of the church, except in some situations which would most likely be few in number.
Ah! Todd Bentley; the one who said the Holy Spirit told him to kick an old lady in the face (to get a demon out of her) and he did. Smh.
I pray that God would open up his eyes, heart and mind to the truth In Jesus Name Amen
Kat said heaven was like Disney land w/ carnival rides & people were lining up to be taught how to fly by Christopher Reeves ( Super man) đ I turned her off.
I was listening to her and believed it until Trump lost. I'm now learning what I have been drawn into. It grieves me.
Instead of sounding like the Bible, Kat Kerr's vision sounds like Goldilocks and the Three Bears, or something like that.