A discussion of Action RPGs by David Brevik, Max Schaefer, Erich Schaefer, Travis Baldree, Chris Wilson, Erik Olofsson, and moderated by Kripparrian. Recorded at ExileCon 2023.
Those are the real devs of Diablo. I love how Blizzard is giving a blind eye to those legends while Chris literally embrace them, as he should. I have huge respect for those guys and I wish them nothing but the best in their lifes. Those should be the ppl in charge of Diablo IV, not the current circus of endless clowns at Blizzard. PoE will remain N1 ARPG for many moons ahead as long as you respect your roots, and this video is a living proof of that. Bless you, GGG.
I love how they treat each other not as competitors, but as an inspiration towards another. Although they are kinda competing passively for the same audience, they do it hand in hand. It's great to see this in todays (gaming) world. Nothing but great people up there.
Competitiveness is what made these games great, and this applies to a lot of things (Don't even get me started with Diablo 4, they didn't even put up a FUCKING FIGHT, seriously I thought they were going to be so innovative or are going to copy other APRGs but HELL FKN NO THEY FUMBLED SO BAD). From rivalries in stories (Naruto and Sasuke, Goku and Vegeta, Deku and Bakugo, hell even Guts and Griffith). A part from competitiveness, I think allowing people to criticize your product or medium, along community feedback, is a healthy way to grow. Being perfect is boring, and knowing that there is always something to improve even after you have achieved what you think you have achieved is what made PoE so great. It's complexity is what made it superior to me, I can't find a single game that is similar to it, and it's what made me fall in love to it (I really want to buy that 500 dollar supporter pack tbh but I need to work for it). Good example of a company that allowed competitiveness is Valve because they started a lot of things, from Half Life jumpstarting the whole FPS shooter, to Steam's absolutely glorious UI and unbeatable in terms of other game launchers, to Valorant and LOL being a shadow or perhaps a more modified CSGO and Dota, to Dota 2's starting the whole battle pass system, which everyone is using now. Did they beat Valve? I don't think so, Dota 2's International is still flourishing (Idk about the new battlepass though), CS2 just got release and Valve is still fixing a lot of things in it. The old Diablo devs talking about PoE, ARPGS, and their games are a cherry on top, I love how Chris enjoys their company and embraces their legacy from D2.
@@johnb8132 You expanded my thoughts very well. I agree with every single word you said. I don't play arpgs anymore, because i already have a job and don't need a second one, lol. It feels dirty to say in these days, that this game has too much content (for me (!!!)). (I will definately play some PoE2, when it's out, though). I originally came from D3, before Reaper of sh!t, when i figured, they are not even attempting to fix the itemization, but rather tried to gaslight us into thinking Loot 2.0 would fix it. Then i tried PoE and never looked back. Therefore i was just quietly observing what they were doing with D4 and it's the same BS. Smelled it from the beginning. The whole thing gave me a whole new perspective on what kind of passion makes a game good, despite of its flaws. And PoE has quite some flaws as well. But because of this kind of passion i look back at it as pretty much the best game i ever played.
Say what you want about dialogue in ARPGs, but I will ALWAYS click on the dialogue thing in the Marketplace and listen to the story there. The voice acting for that particular bit of lore is SO good!!!
"Words flay me..." 😱 The etching on woods in the Crossroads are also top tier writing and voice acting. Environmental storytelling is also pretty good in PoE, small touches like Dominus' room and desk in the Courthouse or the Immortal Syndicate member's rooms in their HQ reflecting each one's personality, the letters of exiles at Lioneye's Watch entry mentioning characters we encounter later (the bandit lords, Hillock... ). Between well written and delivered monologues and the items flavour text, delving into the lore is a fun and relaxing activity between sessions of frantic carnage.
I would love more of these conversations between developers talking shit about their and each other’s games with a friendly tone- This concept is an absolute banger. Also Kripp is a top tier host
YESSSSS. This has been the background on my PC since the livestream! All of the ARPG Legends were assembled here. I was in complete shock and awe at seeing everyone at the Roundtable. The stories and questions, Krip being the Moderator was absolutely perfect. I've re-watched this 3 times from Twitch and this will be my 4th.
Absolutely amazing to see those Titans together! Damn, i cant be there to take autograph from each of this living legends... there is peoples who made cool projects, that stole tons on my time.
That bit about people playing Fate on their parents' laptops at the beginning is a wild throwback, I remember playing some arpg on my mom's laptop as a kid and after looking it up, it was fucking Fate all along.
Oh man oh man, this was such a great watch! Watching these juggernauts of gaming introduce themselves and hearing them share their opinions and experiences was amazing~ One of my childhood favorite games was a mmorpg called Ragnarok online. And what I loved about that game the most was the ability to buy items that made my character look amazing & sometimes also enhancing the gameplay (looks cool + gives me stat bonuses). For the iRO players, Top, Mid, Lower gear sets, auras and pets etc... all the costumes and accessories. It was also pretty difficult to farm the currency in that game so when you were able to save up or trade for an item you wanted, it was extremely satisfying as well as sometimes a huge powerspike. I would love to see that in future there is a system where you can work towards building/collecting a certain set in order to unlock bonus stats or looks. I was always obsessed with collecting a full set of armor and getting that look or bonus stats. Thank you to everyone here who has been a part of the games of my childhood as well as the ones i enjoy now :) Much love!
microsoft should hire this legends for diablo 5...they are the origin and end of all my problems. nice to see you all together with this kind of passion. this gives me hope. Also I thank you all for diablo games.. you made my childhood I thank you a lot. CONDOR! BLIZZARD NORTH!
For me the lore question is answered as follows: I LOVE diving into your Lore if I have to find it. Sure, you can give me hints throughout the game. But I really really really don't care about a shitload of monologue/dialogue/whateverlogue during gameplay. most importantly: Outside of towns no one should ever interrupt me with speech. You can have your npcs babble on but that should never interrupt gameplay. I should never have to wait or click during that babbling and when I the sound off I shouldn't miss out on anything (but lore). Most importantly: During bosses/endgame content. Animations and dailogue KILL replayability. Sure, it looks good the first 3 times you see it. On run 100 you really had enaugh
100% about David take on TRADE, more you let to the market less you leave to the game, instead of a ARPG you enden up in a MarketGame and SSF point of view in Poe isnt the solution cuase is a total deny on fun buidls cuase those "item you need" will be never get drop, never (watchers eye, Frobbiden duo jewls and soo on)
Cool guys but it's scary how much they talk about diablo 2 .common poe much better in most of things i wonder how this affected poe2 like flask system slow animation and more. Just play d2 remaster instead of make poe more like d2
I'm not saying these guys opinions are bad, but I really would just like to hear from people that are actually making ARPGs currently. Can we get the Last Epoch / Grim Dawn guys out next time?
Those are the real devs of Diablo. I love how Blizzard is giving a blind eye to those legends while Chris literally embrace them, as he should. I have huge respect for those guys and I wish them nothing but the best in their lifes. Those should be the ppl in charge of Diablo IV, not the current circus of endless clowns at Blizzard. PoE will remain N1 ARPG for many moons ahead as long as you respect your roots, and this video is a living proof of that. Bless you, GGG.
PoE is what Diablo 2 was in its prime only it’s free and it keeps getting better.
I love how they treat each other not as competitors, but as an inspiration towards another.
Although they are kinda competing passively for the same audience, they do it hand in hand.
It's great to see this in todays (gaming) world.
Nothing but great people up there.
Competitiveness is what made these games great, and this applies to a lot of things (Don't even get me started with Diablo 4, they didn't even put up a FUCKING FIGHT, seriously I thought they were going to be so innovative or are going to copy other APRGs but HELL FKN NO THEY FUMBLED SO BAD). From rivalries in stories (Naruto and Sasuke, Goku and Vegeta, Deku and Bakugo, hell even Guts and Griffith). A part from competitiveness, I think allowing people to criticize your product or medium, along community feedback, is a healthy way to grow. Being perfect is boring, and knowing that there is always something to improve even after you have achieved what you think you have achieved is what made PoE so great. It's complexity is what made it superior to me, I can't find a single game that is similar to it, and it's what made me fall in love to it (I really want to buy that 500 dollar supporter pack tbh but I need to work for it).
Good example of a company that allowed competitiveness is Valve because they started a lot of things, from Half Life jumpstarting the whole FPS shooter, to Steam's absolutely glorious UI and unbeatable in terms of other game launchers, to Valorant and LOL being a shadow or perhaps a more modified CSGO and Dota, to Dota 2's starting the whole battle pass system, which everyone is using now. Did they beat Valve? I don't think so, Dota 2's International is still flourishing (Idk about the new battlepass though), CS2 just got release and Valve is still fixing a lot of things in it.
The old Diablo devs talking about PoE, ARPGS, and their games are a cherry on top, I love how Chris enjoys their company and embraces their legacy from D2.
@@johnb8132 You expanded my thoughts very well. I agree with every single word you said.
I don't play arpgs anymore, because i already have a job and don't need a second one, lol.
It feels dirty to say in these days, that this game has too much content (for me (!!!)). (I will definately play some PoE2, when it's out, though).
I originally came from D3, before Reaper of sh!t, when i figured, they are not even attempting to fix the itemization, but rather tried to gaslight us into thinking Loot 2.0 would fix it. Then i tried PoE and never looked back.
Therefore i was just quietly observing what they were doing with D4 and it's the same BS. Smelled it from the beginning. The whole thing gave me a whole new perspective on what kind of passion makes a game good, despite of its flaws.
And PoE has quite some flaws as well.
But because of this kind of passion i look back at it as pretty much the best game i ever played.
Never thought I would ever see these ARPG legends together in one place. Thanks!
No table, definitely not round but that was an awesome slice of greatness to watch live.
Man, the reaction to "Hi, I'm Chris Wilson from Grinding Gear Games"
you must not understand why possibly
@@Atixtasy I do. I am a PoE enjoyer myself. Its just that I am surprised that on a stage with so many heavy-hitters, he go that many cheers
Say what you want about dialogue in ARPGs, but I will ALWAYS click on the dialogue thing in the Marketplace and listen to the story there. The voice acting for that particular bit of lore is SO good!!!
"Words flay me..." 😱
The etching on woods in the Crossroads are also top tier writing and voice acting.
Environmental storytelling is also pretty good in PoE, small touches like Dominus' room and desk in the Courthouse or the Immortal Syndicate member's rooms in their HQ reflecting each one's personality, the letters of exiles at Lioneye's Watch entry mentioning characters we encounter later (the bandit lords, Hillock... ).
Between well written and delivered monologues and the items flavour text, delving into the lore is a fun and relaxing activity between sessions of frantic carnage.
I would love more of these conversations between developers talking shit about their and each other’s games with a friendly tone- This concept is an absolute banger. Also Kripp is a top tier host
YESSSSS. This has been the background on my PC since the livestream!
All of the ARPG Legends were assembled here. I was in complete shock and awe at seeing everyone at the Roundtable. The stories and questions, Krip being the Moderator was absolutely perfect.
I've re-watched this 3 times from Twitch and this will be my 4th.
Absolutely amazing to see those Titans together! Damn, i cant be there to take autograph from each of this living legends... there is peoples who made cool projects, that stole tons on my time.
Hearing these legends talk about video games, just makes you feel small. I don't really know how to explain it better. Overwhelming
That bit about people playing Fate on their parents' laptops at the beginning is a wild throwback, I remember playing some arpg on my mom's laptop as a kid and after looking it up, it was fucking Fate all along.
Hi, I'm Chris Wilson from Grinding Gear Games
Hi Chris
@@eyeofthevoid693 Hi
I'm Chris Wilson from Grinding Gear Games
Hello
Proud of this group “with a heart”.
Oh man oh man, this was such a great watch!
Watching these juggernauts of gaming introduce themselves and hearing them share their opinions and experiences was amazing~
One of my childhood favorite games was a mmorpg called Ragnarok online. And what I loved about that game the most was the ability to buy items that made my character look amazing & sometimes also enhancing the gameplay (looks cool + gives me stat bonuses). For the iRO players, Top, Mid, Lower gear sets, auras and pets etc... all the costumes and accessories. It was also pretty difficult to farm the currency in that game so when you were able to save up or trade for an item you wanted, it was extremely satisfying as well as sometimes a huge powerspike.
I would love to see that in future there is a system where you can work towards building/collecting a certain set in order to unlock bonus stats or looks. I was always obsessed with collecting a full set of armor and getting that look or bonus stats.
Thank you to everyone here who has been a part of the games of my childhood as well as the ones i enjoy now :)
Much love!
Geez, it was so awesome to watch, absolute gem. P.S. David is just 100% gigachad
3:37 HE SAID THE THING! lol
microsoft should hire this legends for diablo 5...they are the origin and end of all my problems. nice to see you all together with this kind of passion. this gives me hope. Also I thank you all for diablo games.. you made my childhood I thank you a lot. CONDOR! BLIZZARD NORTH!
Holy shit I didnt know Travis was a game dev. The dragon really advances.
"he writes books now" Yeah no, Travis is still one of the best narrators out there
legends
David is a legend!!
Three co-fouders of Blizzard steped in on a Exile Con...
About trading i think last epoch has a good lead on the approch and limitation. Id definitly like to have choices like this in poe.
It's literally the same thing.
When Chris introduced himself 😀😎👏🏼
Amazing chat, thanks for this!
i love how just by the look is the guy with locks (dont remember his name ^^ ) just looks like the villain there :P
anyways great tak :)
31:08 actually you can, FS does it every time even in Elden Ring. I get that its completely different genre but still.
Yeah and there's an outcry for an easy mode every time they release a game so he's not wrong.
David Brevik...!
OGs
for me it hh in real live, i like purplelish crimson. and it makes th realestate market more easy for those who survive.
most bitches judge you for ths but woh of you lifed in rat utopia ever?
Wheres the table ggg?
where Hellgate 2?
una pregunta para el pelado.. podes hacer el juego mas facil para los casuales :c
Minecraft is the King here. All of them agreed
For me the lore question is answered as follows:
I LOVE diving into your Lore if I have to find it. Sure, you can give me hints throughout the game. But I really really really don't care about a shitload of monologue/dialogue/whateverlogue during gameplay. most importantly: Outside of towns no one should ever interrupt me with speech. You can have your npcs babble on but that should never interrupt gameplay. I should never have to wait or click during that babbling and when I the sound off I shouldn't miss out on anything (but lore).
Most importantly: During bosses/endgame content. Animations and dailogue KILL replayability. Sure, it looks good the first 3 times you see it. On run 100 you really had enaugh
100% about David take on TRADE, more you let to the market less you leave to the game, instead of a ARPG you enden up in a MarketGame and SSF point of view in Poe isnt the solution cuase is a total deny on fun buidls cuase those "item you need" will be never get drop, never (watchers eye, Frobbiden duo jewls and soo on)
First
first
Without Kripp, there would have been no leagues. Man Chris Wilson sounds like a mtx salesmen.
Blizzard lost their passion, and here, we found them all
Cool guys but it's scary how much they talk about diablo 2 .common poe much better in most of things i wonder how this affected poe2 like flask system slow animation and more. Just play d2 remaster instead of make poe more like d2
BLA bla bla bla bla bla bla
WOOOW... Awesome, this is the pinnecle of the GodFathers of ARPG :))) thanks GGG.. Chris all the best with your new creature POE2 ❤
Brevik is giga chad :D
they need him to repair diablo 4 :D
I'm not saying these guys opinions are bad, but I really would just like to hear from people that are actually making ARPGs currently. Can we get the Last Epoch / Grim Dawn guys out next time?
😂😂😂
Who?