Best and WORST Tactical Abilities in Apex (Tier List)
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- Apex Legends Tactical Tier List Season 18
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As an ash main, I feel the same, I think an easy way to make it b or even a is to simply speed up the snare, and make the radius they can move in smaller. Maybe also make the damage from 20-30?
Ballistic's tactical is above D tier , the number of times it guaranteed a win on a 1 vs 1 is truly something. Aim right and you got the person locked out of full battle for 12 seconds , yes IT DID NOT GET NERFED like the patch notes say to 8 seconds, go test it in firing range.
I've always thought this. I dont understand why people always downplay it
Unless someone completely corners themselves you just take a step back for a second, pop a cell and then finish the fight its really not good
Its A Tier at LEAST
5:31 ok so i wanted to point this out but the bug with rampart not being able to recall her walls
is actually just something that only affects mixtape only. it doesn't affect any other part of the game
from my knowledge.
interesting, I wasn't if it was new or just a mixtape thing, but good to know
I can also confirm this is true from my experience. This bug only applies to mixtape modes and it has been around since the start of last season. I think since it is a small bug on a low pick rate character, the devs don't seem to put focus into fixing it.@@MangosInTrees
Same with Loba's black market, that and you can't pull anything out of it half the time
@@dustin2436 I thought Loba's market bug happened when the Loba wasn't in the same trio as you or if you died after the market was placed, or is it just random?
@@Sciaining I get the problem every playlist mode game, I'll throw her ult down, go to grab something only for it to not take it, then I'll try to recall it and it won't recall the black market similar to the rampart walls
is this an out of season april fools joke
Horizon’s tac could be changed like wraith’s where there is a delay when she throws her lift to the ground before it activates. It eliminates the get out of jail free card for her while also keeping her ability strong for the team
But unlike wraith you still can be shot while going up the lift I always try to use it to use a battery and just get beamed anyway
@@rhysparremore296not to be offensive, but good horizons place it down typically a few seconds before they are beamable and 8/10 times will get away with a bat. I don't think it should be as slow as wraiths tactical is, but in between would be nice
Agreed it’s way too op
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@@KeptMellow I'm definitely not the best player so that's a good tip, also most times even though I'm moving on the lift people are just such good shots haha
Lifeline's heal drone is absolutely wonderful, and one of the main reasons I main her. Fast resets, being able to help your whole team, not having to carry around syringes which saves space...
I do wish they buffed the charge time for it a lot, though. 30 seconds seems WAY more fair.
Dude this right here!!!!
agreed
please do best and worst passives next vid good job keep up the amazing work
Yes bro ash tact ability is very useless
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Compare ash to horizon 😅
They should take the silence from seer and give it to her snare tbh. Then they should just revert seers tact back to how it was in season 16
@@illtyuh8336I can only imagine how useful Ash's snare would be, if it actually slowed you and silenced you, similarly to Seer's crazy OP Q we got back in mid-seasin 17 :(
The thing that make ballistic balanced is even though his q is a tad weak the game compensates you and your team mates with constant 3 weapons and unlimited ammo to you and team mates on ult. Carrying havoc in the sling is massively powerful. As the havoc doesn't really need a scope nor a big mag to do kill an enemy one can have a pretty awesome advantage to other ults that only benefit the player but not the team. 😊
Good job on the video but i think here you are evaluating the abilities from solo player view instead of team like as an attacking or defending team How does mirage ult help everyone in the team defend or attack? It doesn't direct! It enables the character playing it to deflect the focus from himself and use it to protect the team yet it doesn't enable the team play.
This wasn't an ult evaluation. Please re-read the chapter.
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Ive been using revenants ability to throw people off with positioning. If you aim slightly downwards when using it you can slide at a ridiculouse speed and keep the momentum going about 3x longer then the full charge jump. Also super fun to jump over people off an octane pad and use it to turn around midair right above them. I've gotten a few teams to think theyd be able to turn and 3v1 me real quick but they turn around and i dont land there 😂 instead im back with my team pushing them while their backs are turned.
I like Ash's snare for runners and hide and seek players, they should buff the radius of the effect hit rate and maybe multiple people being able to snare that's all.
Valk’s Q is best used when someone is healing or reving behind cover. It may not do much damage but I can disrupt and it becomes even better with grenades.
So you came to the same conclusion I did, if an ability is not movement based, the devs nerf you into the ground and make it useless
In my opinion cryptos drone is very op once you know how to use it, not s tier but b to a maybe. It can be thrown out but not entered and distract enemies, you can heal and scan around, insta check enemy positions and res teammates, it is just so good if you know how to use it. Sad to see seer go down so much he was my main but I dropped him after the nerf combo
I've been using Crypto for the last few days.... his drone is def. underrated
It's great yeah, but literally everything about crypto is that tac, you lose it so does the rest of your kit for awhile. It's frustrating not being able to emp with a 50 sec cooldown when you need it.
Snare isnt even really *that* bad but by comparison to something like the gravity lift it feels a bit unfair. I think she should get two charges so she can kinda block off areas more effectively.
All ash tactical needs is 2 charges. The tactical right now tethers only 1 player no matter how many players you hit, so all they need to do is make them not stack.
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I 100% agree with vantage, I find her tactical to be really nice since it allows her to either enter or exit a fight with ease. I enjoy doing a bit of sniping as my team pushes and then joining the fight with tactical.
yeeting around with the grapple is one of the best things in apex
There are SO many times when the riot drill comes in clutch, and it can be used defensively, get behind a box and pop a drill in it and you have space and time to pop a bat.
The best Part of Ballistic’s tactical is the lock on and the overheat indicator hovering on an enemy. Know an enemy is nearby, but can’t spot em? Pull out the Whistler and spin around to see if it locks onto anyone. If you’re fighting in smoke, the lock on allows you to see your enemy through the smoke and if you land the shot the overheat tag sitting on an enemy is great to help spot them swinging corners or pulling back or again in bangalore smoke or caustic gas. Overall, it’s pretty weak, but that niche use is so useful when it works.
the wraith comparison with Horizon is spot on. She really gets a get out of jail free card in addition to how useful her tac is in every other situation.
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I love using the whistler while reloading or when a player is down to one hit.
I've got a ton of kills with the whistler. 😅
As a path main I did not expect that
Mobile Apex Did Ash more Justice....
In Mobile. Ash could change the trajectory of her Tactical mid flight. It also did more damage than just 20
This allowed for Ash to purposefully aim to your left or right. You think she missed, next thing it changes direction and connects with you. Those few seconds of Confusion almost guaranteed you the W during a fight
5:47, it would be nice if enemies shot through the amped side of the wall it would do 15% less damage instead. that way enemies cant use it against u as well.
Ash Reborn, her tactical is some ability from her titan, and her ult is like a sword like from halo
I wish they would just start reworking some abilities instead of all the random junk they do.
As an ash main, I feel the same, I think an easy way to make it b or even a is to simply speed up the snare, and make the radius they can move in smaller. Maybe also make the damage from 20-30?
if you make it smaller its harder to hit
if you do all 3 then it will be op af. I think the biggest issue is how far they can travel after being snared. Just make the radius smaller and slow their movement by 15% or smth while they're snared.
Here’s an idea for seer. Revert the activation time to last season just make the area of effect smaller
The rampart one is a bug specific to the mixtape game modes since when you die they are no longer bound to your specific instance of rampart which also works this way for all the legends for example catalyst doors when you die you are treated as them belonging to the enemy when in reality they belong to no one which can also lead to a situation where you can set up more than the hard limit of 5 of ramparts barriers and 3 placed Shelias and a infinite amount of wattson coils so long as they dont get destroyed
This is extremely easy to replicate as all you need to do is die from any source including your own nade
The problem with Horizon is her ult not her tactical, the most combat-aiding ultimate in the game (alongside Seer's)
As an ash main. It wins 1v1s if some correctly! You have to pay attention to when they are about to re load, but you can easily one clip them while their stunned. It’s effective ish- it’s also useful post portal when you step behind your portal and stun the ground. Agreed it’s bad and ash has always been an after thought legend
1v1s are such a small part of the game
Heh, Octane can't escape me when I'm playing Rev. Terror is fun lol
Do same thing but with ultra and passives, keep up the good work 👍
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What would be your perfect legend using any one passive, tactical and ult?
Here's a full list of timestaps for anyone who wants to find their legend:
D-TIER
Ash 0:05
Ballistic 0:43
Seer 1:48
C-TIER
Valkyrie 2:40
Mirage 3:04
Caustic 3:33
Crypto 4:08
Rampart 4:48
Wattson 6:03
Newcastle 7:04
B-TIER
Vantage 7:52
Octane 8:34
Mad Maggie 9:18
Fuse 10:18
Lifeline 11:11
A-TIER
Revenant 11:51
Wraith 13:02
Bloodhound 13:47
Loba 14:25
Giblartar 15:28
Bangalore 16:11
S-TIER
Catalyst 17:35
Horizon 18:42
Pathfinder 19:32
I love ash snare got so many kills with it it can help separate opponents from there team mates keep ppl from hard pushing or keep those 1 kill shots from
Getting away
I’ve been thinking crypto drone cooldown is too long because the whole concept of crypto is the drone but i thought i was biased because i main him. Glad to know i wasn’t trippin lol. Take off at least 5 seconds wtf
Really depends on what kind of apex pubs or competitive.
Ash main here, her tac is indeed kinda worthless. Only time I remember it being super useful is when the enemy octane was running away and I snared him, leaving my team to gun him down. Admittedly it’s niche but hey, free damage
Another solid Tier list - I try to use the Wattson tactical to stun my opponent mid fight and for some reason the game cannot handle bullet slow gun fire and other shenanigans going on and your fences are most likely to glitch. Other than that her shield regen is too slow if it was faster it would greatly improve her usability in open areas
The shield regen isnt her main passive. It doesn't need to be buffed. Her primary passive is the ability to get ultimate off of one ultimate accel and the ability to stack two of them. The shield regen is really just a side thing.
I agree a lot with this
Stim is weird because you have to judge it compared to other abilities, but octane is tye only one it works for because of swift mend
As a lifeline main B tier is completely acceptable I just wish we had the option to move the drone since they took her res shield away and gave it to Newcastle
Agreed with everything you said but lifelines ability takes 45 seconds to recharge
That is one of the longest cooldowns in the game
For that reason alone I would personally put it in D tier
It takes way too long to recharge and I would like if they added a feature where the drone follows you until it goes away
That would make the drone very useful outside the ring
I’d put it c tier because it still means the team can have less health items but low c like bottom c
My issue with Ash's tactical is that there's a minimum range for it. Ballistic's tactical, my issue is the overheat doesn't seem to stop them from firing their weapon long enough to make the overheat even matter
Buff Vantages Sniper??? That shit is already kinda OP lol
What's so ironic about my current situation is that I'm currently in my backyard eating actual mangoes in trees while watching this video.
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I have to turn off character audio when I run Catalyst. She has the most annoying tag lines in the game lol
"Call us shooting stars!" 😂
I have picked her up lately and holy shit; so strong
With octane they should take is jump pad,end make it that if another team takes it. It will blow up like a frag grenade so they can't chase u.
Agreed to everything, I would just push Gibby's dome to S tier however. It's just way too good and is literally the best defensive ability in the game, a lot of ALGS end game looks like bubble spams at the end aha and it's not for no reason, it's all around perfect for a Q.
haven't seen Gibby in ALGS for a while now, used to come up in every team, but now they're actually going for a more diverse team, most teams still have some form of movement legend like Horizon (possibly Rev now aswell)
while then it's a defensive legend like Catalyst or Wattson, rarely see Newcastle or Gibby nowadays.
and i've seen some teams go with a Loba, Maggy, Fuse etc.
Loba's ultimate is too good in an ALGS setting, since you'll be poking at the other teams all the time, meaning you'll use a lot of Ammo, having infinite Ammo basically means a lot.
while Maggy or Fuse can be used to force an enemy team away from their position.
Catalyst definitely is a meta pick though, seen plenty of ALGS in last season where the final ring was accompanied by 3-5 catalyst ults.
Back in the day yes I still think he’s good but people only care about fast movement ability’s including this CZcamsr
I with put it in s
Make Echo be able to scan enemies who are nearby or below it. Like Crypto’s drone.
I can agree with this tier list for the most part and respect your choices. I'm someone that plays more underrated/use lesser played/loved legends like crypto and loba.
Not saying your wrong in your thoughts, definitely could use an improvement (her ult needing the distance buff more tho since other reposition legends have had their abilities basically doubled in lenght, heck even Maggie's ball goes twice as far then when she was originally had) over her tac, ashe's tether is honestly the best part of her kit. It's not just a stun a enemy briefly midnight and be a mere annoyance.
It's an ability to be used to buy youself time or solo out an enemy.
She much (like crypto) is a great legend that works well if you and your team coordinate attacks (which can be a heck of a struggle, especially in solo que and pubs).
Her tac is more used separate an enemy. Say you and your teammates are fighting, you managed to Crack someone in the open. Toss that snare and if you can hit it, they are stuck and unble to get to cover giving you pretty much an ensured down and pushing your team into the higher numbers, making it a far easier fight to win.
It's great too if know the enemy is separated and you managed to get them into one shot. Snag them which gives them very little movement to get away to cover to heal or regroup with their team and thus making it an easy down for your you or your team
The best use of her tac is if you are being pushed and you or your teammate has to heal. You can slow their push by tethering them long enough to reposition or pop off a quick shield. And most importantly it forces them to separate them from their team and force their team to commit to a brief 2v3 without their support.
Or say you are being pushed by 2 or enemies at one, being able to tether one of them and using your cover you can force them to 1v1s instead of having to too worry about being pinched by both at once.
Makes it easier to get away if you are being pushed, it can slow them down or separate them to make escape far more likely.
Ashe's isn't just a push, slow, initiate legend. She's the legend to target and pick off players, she the one to initiate a push, to keep distance or even just reposition in general.
That being said, I would personally put her tac in high c tier myself, mobility tacs like grapple are just too good in a game for hers to compete with theirs.
Her tac works far better when paired with her ult in one way or another. I don't see enough rift away ashe's on the run tethering their ports. I use this combo often to lure enemies into a trap and down them before they can realize I'm not actually running away
You said that rev tactical is more for mouse and keyboard players, maybe you can do a tier list of the best legends for controller?
I might be crazy but wattson's passive feels slower ever since they nerfed it in control. I agree her fence are not as strong but it all depends on the placement of them.
Fuse tac is s tier once you get consistent sticks with it. I have over 300 000 individual hits with it, well over a million damage
I would say gibbys tac is a-tier partly because when u stick a grenade on it the timer for the bubble would have ran out. Then let’s just say it wouldn’t end well.Other than that is pretty great( trust me I have seen gobby mains who are godly at bubble pvp). To improve this I would increase the time till it despawns so it could be s-tier. Also btw great video😊❤
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Watson was op last season played her for half a season and got 700 kills with her when I usually get like 400-500 kills a season
Caustic needs a buff. Remove the option to instantly destroy his traps mid air since they are able to be destroyed now. Or if they don't want to do that, lower his ability charge times.
Fr but wdym "midair"
Revs jump needs to just be a passive like valks jetpacks
We should’ve seen a buff in Caustics ultimate even before they nerfed his tactical, possibly being able to charge 2 gas grenades or buff the cooldown time, it’s a really disappointing ultimate ability
Mirage needs to be able to send out 2 decoys. I also think they need to add a couple more fake mirages to his ultimate to add to the confusion he can bring. That would make mirage so much better honestly
The fact horizon q has been nerfed so much and is still so good just proves how broken it is
Ashes tactical is actually good and it helps every time i use it since they cant get away
I was in a close corded fight I was low marage tactical, the saved my life, because I saw where the enemy was
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bro as a maggie main i lose my mind when no enemy takes damage from the drill😤
What if you could throw rampart walls?
The Rampart walls not being taken down is a mixtape bug. It never happens in BR/Ranked. PS im a rampart main
I'd put the Watson fence in a tier because I'm not even a Watson main but in a building I can 1v3, it is useless outside though, and id recommend a high sens for watson
As a Wattson main I agree with Mangos assessment. Being useless outside (for the most part) means that it’s not an A-tier tactical.
Tbh wraith's tactical is a "get out of jail card" you just have to use it properly and by that I mean movement. Yeah sure if you're going to just sprint with it then it's only a repositioning tool but when you use it with superglides or any other advanced movement this thing is powerful af. And many people just have the wrong where and when to use it
I would probably drop a rank or more of the assessments of: Lifeline, Loba, and Bloodhound but I can get behind the rest. Lifeline's drone can be powerful but it has far more situationally to it than any other tactical. Loba's bracelet I won't deny being useful but the height and distance it can achieve are both unfortunate not to mention the visibility and being the loudest audio que in the damn game. Bloodhound, well.... nobody plays them anymore and I think its due to the changes to the tactical which I would value a lot less than you apparently do.
Rampart walls are at least B tier now with the buff
The thing with lifelines tactical that I don’t like, is the cooldown is ridiculous. I think it’s 45 seconds. That’s criminal. You would think they would buff her because she’s neglected, but respawn won’t for some reason
Cooldown is long I agree
I think mirage needs another tactical charge
same with ash and possibly Maggie
@@isaacmajer dawg maggie with a double drill? are you INSANE
@@ohword4085 they could reduce the damage maybe but it would still be op but I am a Maggie main so it benefits me
@@isaacmajerthat’s valid actually I appreciate your honestly
With Ballistic's tacitcal, it's incredibly consistent if you know where to aim before launching it. I like it because shooting straight at someone isn't a guarenteed stick, and neither is trying to shoot people behind thick cover.
You have to know your moments and take it. It gives it a lil' bit more of a learning curve.
I also always find use out of the Whistler, and for one other reason that seems more niche, but is more useful than it first appears. So if you hold the tactical out when going through a location you're not sure about and have no recon legend, there's a chance your Whistler will find enemies you or your teammates haven't seen. I'VE KILLED SO MANY FUCKING RATS IN RANKED using this!
Don't sleep on the Whistler. It just has a learning curve for proper potential. Not the best tac, but still a lot better than D tier imo!!
As a seperate legend comment: Revenant doesn't need any buffs or nerfs atm imo. He's perfect as is.
The only POTENTIAL nerf I could see as "fair" would be his ultimate cooldown being increased by 30s.
I think they should work to bringing every other legend up to his level, rather than bringing Revenant back down. These versatile abilities are the most fun to play, so why nerf them when you can make other legends' abilities better instead!
FOR REAL BRO, WAS PLAYING YESTERDAY AND I HIT THE LAST GUY WITH THE WHISTLER AND IT WON ME THE 1V3
valkries tactical is the almost the same as any other throwable so i dont understand why its so low. i dont even play her but her missiles still move enemies away from cover regardless if it hits or not
Agreed
It's somewhat unreliable, honestly. Most of the time the enemies can stand still and not get hit by it because of the spread and weird trajectory the missiles have. And if you have good cover, it's not intimidating enough to even move out of for 25 damage unless you are one shot.
It's also clunky to peek and fire it off. It has kind of a long cast time and you have to expose yourself from cover to not blow it up in your own face.
a good ash can easily make her tactical a mini-horizon ult with grenades (I've seen it)
Isn't Crypto's drone time 40 or 45 seconds?
People always compare Rev's Pounce to Vantage's bat, but they just aren't that much alike, honestly. His pounce is more of a grapple + jump pad hybrid. After playing with it a while, it doesn't feel like Vantage at all. You can basically slingshot all over the place with Rev at incredible speeds. Vantage just floats slowly through the air in a set path and velocity. I would say only Pathfinder has equal or better movement.
I personally think there is no bad characters or bad tactical abilities in the game. I love EVERY character in my opinion every tactical ability and ultimate is useful in VAST majority of situations, even the Ash's arc snare
Wattson's pylon literally counters everything about Fuse's kit. So he doesn't make ALL controller legends life a pain
I agree with everything in the video, except the Crypto one (I'm a Crypto main so hear me out).
Aside from just being the drone, there are about 12 hidden passives of things you can do with the drone, making it easily one of the most versatile tacticals in the game. Whereas the long cooldown is a huge drawback, your drone should never be in a position to be shot down if youre playing it right. It's like saying "Lifeline's tactical is bad because it has a long cooldown." Crypto's drone can save squads and solo win fights if played right.
I went up against the most cracked fuse ever. He was so annoying, my whole team was happy when he died
i think you should have ranked them all in a best case scenario
I think valk should be low B tier. Yes her missles are avoidable BUT they can be used kinda like how bangs ult is used in the sense that it can be an area denier. Get a down and see someone trying to res? Send a missile swarm to deter them. They either avoid the area and miss the res OR tank the hits and give you an opportunity to push off of the stun
I think they should remove the cooldown from Crypto drone since it has the hitbox size of Gibby and 50 health.
Ain’t no way he putting echo over Newcastle shield lol
I was with you man, all the way until you started talking about buffing vantage ult
Bruh no way you just put the fence into C. i was ready for B, but C?!
Bru ashes snair isn’t that bad especially if u play against good players and u just have to know how to use it if they are moving spots u snair them and then they are stuck in the open it could be better if they raise the damage to like 35
Background music?
What about revs old tac silence?
Why would that even be relevant now?😂
Personally feel Wattson tac should be higher her tac isn’t like other defenders in the aspect of other wattsons still get stunned.her fences regenerate quicker with her ult and they can take up a lot of space.and I’m some situations u can’t even break em.
Vantage tac ability is way better than loba’s bracelet