*_A shame to see Lord Boothby get away with forcing himself onto working class lads scared of the Krays. Terrible hypocrisy and corruption in the English government as usual._*
In my opinion it's the only reason they legalised Homosexuality because politicians were getting increasingly compromised. Nothing to do with humanity or human rights.
On the contrary it was taking a big risk for those MP’s to support the decriminalization of homosexuality, being that there was so much public opposition to it back in the mid sixties, and in fact it was a conservative peer Lord Arran who proposed it in 1965…..who was straight btw! In fact it was that unpopular with many of the public, some MPs attributed their defeat in the 1968 election for supporting the bill that passed the previous year! Yes some might have been secretly gay, but decriminalizing was nothing to do with what you are suggesting!
Notice that these pedophiles are in the top echelon of names that I suppose you could hardly accuse them of these horrendous allegations Now we know better !!!! 🥰
Lord Boothby on This is your Life Eamonn Andrew’s “Lord Boothby do you remember this old friend?” “BOOTHBY YOU SLAG, REMEMBER THE TIME YOU WERE SHAGGING RENTBOYS ROUND MY FLAT!” Eamonn “That’s right Boothby it’s your old pal Ronnie Kray.” Eamonn “Boothby do you remember this voice from your past?” “Boothby ya c**t you were shagging my missus behind my back and you might have knocked her up.” Eamonn “That’s right Boothby it’s former Prime Minister and husband of your ex lover Harold McMillan.”
We don’t know 10 percent of the real story and all the people involved are dead. There’s a reason Krays we’re jailed for 30 years which was excessive for that time.
The trouble with that is, how can we know how much we don't know? It has to come down to either facts that don't fit, but might fit other including innocent explanations, or gaps in our knowledge which you reckon at 90% of the real story - but how can you ascribe characteristics to gaps. It's like having pieces of a jigsaw puzzle where the content is covered over: you might be able to find a gap where the shape fits, but since you don't know the content, or the size of the overall jigsaw, you can't know that piece is supposed to go there.
@@dionlindsay2 That number is an estimate and it’s based on the established facts of the cases, testimonials of the people that knew them etc. it could be 20 percent or 1 percent but we definitely don’t know the whole story. There was no internet, social media or camera phones at the time so the information is very limited. Many of the secrets have died with people involved. We can all agree that we know that much.
@@Calvin23 It's very likely true that "we don't know the whole story". But if you're saying what we know could be 1 percent or 20 percent or anything short of the whole story, then 10% isn't an estimate, it's hyperbole. I'm probably overegging my criticism, but you are a bit easy!
I'd say Ronnie Kray knew what Jimmy Savile was up to when Savile visited Broadmoor and was on the board and sometimes lived there, Ron Kray would have spoken to Savile because Savile was the famous charity DJ and TV star, but something tells me Ron knew what he was and may have let some of his pals know, If Ron did know who Savile was and what he was doing ,why wouldn't he try to expsose it by using his friends In the underworld. Maybe he tried and that would have kept him in forever, Even when J.Pearson was writing the book and both were jailed ,Pearson was giving hIm pics of Ron and Bootbhy ,when Pearson left them in his flat and went on holiday when he got back his flat was robbed and only the pics taken. Something weird happened there,
the underworld and the exclusive set... two sides of the same coin, person, society both hiding and cultured by secrets (about the training of how to educate children through pain).
I only recall the name of Lord Boothby in a skit by Benny Hill , Lord Boothby, played by Benny Hill is being interviewed, he's sitting in a big leather chair and every time he moves, with some pontification ,the leather squeaks like a fart and it gets louder and louder, farty Boothby .
Mad Teddy wasn't murdered, He knew by 1967 after Jack the Hat was killed it was all coming to an end, He simply fled to Australia where he stayed until around 2004. He returned to the UK and died in 2006 I think it was 06. I don't know how Nipper couldn't find him and didn't know he fled down under.
Ol' Boothby liked booty, by Jove. Or as the saying goes...'A hole or a pole'. Although his name is not mentioned in this documentary (doc from the 1980s I'm guessing?), in hindsight I have no doubt that Jimmy Savile was intertwined in the seedy, sleazy side, particularly in the grooming of children. Saville was immersed, very prolific in that sinister, shadowy world from the late 1950s onwards for at least three decades. He was also a master of threatening lawsuits, which might explain his absence from this doc. Although it's a dark subject, there's lots of amusing innuendo hither 'n' thither in this doc......"He needed to get out of a hole." Great doc. Thanks for upload. Respect from Ireland.
after meeting Lord Boothby and Tom Driberg MP , Ron was all for forming his own political party called the Firm , he had big plans not just as an MP , but actually being Prime Minister , he would listen to Winston Churchill speeches and tried to talk like him , sadly it was not to be as he had a criminal record , and was barred from entering politics .
The fight to get a decent police force has been long and hard. For a long time it was a losing battle but it bravely struggled into the light and had some days into the sun and worthwhile successes, for which the society, indeed the world should be grateful because it showed what could be achieved when decency and good people prevail. Alas, those days have passed and I fear it has again been trampled into shadows again by governments, politicians, previleged patrician and media. Good luck to decency, it may be down but not out.
@@joeboyd8702 More than that. The Rubber Souls are nastier bastards and will fit you up for sneezing. They troll CZcams, amongst other places and when you put a public name out there, they pick it up. I’m saying this in goodwill.
Such a shame this original film has such deteriorated narration sound track as it's so wooly even the subtitles can't filter out the sloppy upper class indistinct mumbling of the narrator. It needs re editing with someone who can speak clearly being dubbed over the old useless sound track. Ploughing through it causes what we used to call "listening fatigue".
@sydmccreath4554 You're lucky you haven't got an age related hearing issue. Even so I would still find your wooly diction caused by that inferior recording even if I had 100% good hearing. It's not Opinion it's an auditory fact.
Captioning wasn't that accurate 4 years ago when this was loaded. And since that's only the most recently captioning could have been applied, you're probably restricted to even older captioning technology. Very little chance unless you had received pronunciation accents instead of the drawls you hear here. But no, I reckon I follow the voice pretty accurately anyway.
I understand what you mean. Boothby and BJ are both bullshitters who are entitled, assume they can get away with any impropriety and are callous in the extreme.
I know very little about this, but from what I understand it was a POLITICAL affair, not a seciety scandal. They seem to cover up the real issues with some salacious gossip, that frankly should not interest anybody.
*_A shame to see Lord Boothby get away with forcing himself onto working class lads scared of the Krays. Terrible hypocrisy and corruption in the English government as usual._*
God almighty they turn your stomach
Boothby and a young 'Black' man. It's a wonder the BBC hasn't commissioned a twenty-part series on the subject.
Goodness me, that made me laugh for far too long! Thankyou
@@charliejackman2953 Thanks Charlie for your reply.
@@allangilchrist5938 Ho ho, sexual assault, how hilarious...You two are sickos.
In my opinion it's the only reason they legalised Homosexuality because politicians were getting increasingly compromised. Nothing to do with humanity or human rights.
Really? You would like to ban them today?
@@oldtimer7635 that’s not what he said. How in earth have you inferred that?
On the contrary it was taking a big risk for those MP’s to support the decriminalization of homosexuality, being that there was so much public opposition to it back in the mid sixties, and in fact it was a conservative peer Lord Arran who proposed it in 1965…..who was straight btw! In fact it was that unpopular with many of the public, some MPs attributed their defeat in the 1968 election for supporting the bill that passed the previous year!
Yes some might have been secretly gay, but decriminalizing was nothing to do with what you are suggesting!
Also it removed the power from blackmailing creeps. 😊
@@oldtimer7635 are you deliberately missing his point
Sir Cyril Smith, Lord Boothby, Jimmy Savile. All outgoing, charismatic individuals who had deep secrets.
Kiddy fiddlers should be publicly shamed, Tattoed on foreheads so they can't hide in plain sight, if they offend again castration......scumbags
Notice that these pedophiles are in the top echelon of names that I suppose you could hardly accuse them of these horrendous allegations Now we know better !!!! 🥰
They are all in the same place.
Deep secrets? not so much. Many people knew what was going on an kept quiet. These turd burglars should all be busted.
Jimmy savile was NOT charismatic...he was NASTY!
What a sordid corrupt world this documentary paints.
Only difference is today they would be proud of themselves and regarded as 'stunning and brave' .......
Lord Boothby on This is your Life
Eamonn Andrew’s “Lord Boothby do you remember this old friend?”
“BOOTHBY YOU SLAG, REMEMBER THE TIME YOU WERE SHAGGING RENTBOYS ROUND MY FLAT!”
Eamonn “That’s right Boothby it’s your old pal Ronnie Kray.”
Eamonn “Boothby do you remember this voice from your past?”
“Boothby ya c**t you were shagging my missus behind my back and you might have knocked her up.”
Eamonn “That’s right Boothby it’s former Prime Minister and husband of your ex lover Harold McMillan.”
Macmillan wouldn't say cu_t, come on.
@@robertmay9798 😂
Boothby - you old tart! What yer doing later on then to celebrate ?
😂😂😂
Very Good and an Apt Summary.
Fantastic documentary, thank you!
darkness fills my heart with pain
We don’t know 10 percent of the real story and all the people involved are dead. There’s a reason Krays we’re jailed for 30 years which was excessive for that time.
dead and burning in HELL
The trouble with that is, how can we know how much we don't know? It has to come down to either facts that don't fit, but might fit other including innocent explanations, or gaps in our knowledge which you reckon at 90% of the real story - but how can you ascribe characteristics to gaps. It's like having pieces of a jigsaw puzzle where the content is covered over: you might be able to find a gap where the shape fits, but since you don't know the content, or the size of the overall jigsaw, you can't know that piece is supposed to go there.
@@dionlindsay2 That number is an estimate and it’s based on the established facts of the cases, testimonials of the people that knew them etc. it could be 20 percent or 1 percent but we definitely don’t know the whole story. There was no internet, social media or camera phones at the time so the information is very limited. Many of the secrets have died with people involved. We can all agree that we know that much.
@@Calvin23 It's very likely true that "we don't know the whole story". But if you're saying what we know could be 1 percent or 20 percent or anything short of the whole story, then 10% isn't an estimate, it's hyperbole. I'm probably overegging my criticism, but you are a bit easy!
Boothby, Savile, Max Clifford, R olf Harris, all treasured ornaments at the BBC coincidence, oh, yes
Been at it since their first broadcast 😅 God help us
I'd say Ronnie Kray knew what Jimmy Savile was up to when Savile visited Broadmoor and was on the board and sometimes lived there, Ron Kray would have spoken to Savile because Savile was the famous charity DJ and TV star, but something tells me Ron knew what he was and may have let some of his pals know, If Ron did know who Savile was and what he was doing ,why wouldn't he try to expsose it by using his friends In the underworld. Maybe he tried and that would have kept him in forever, Even when J.Pearson was writing the book and both were jailed ,Pearson was giving hIm pics of Ron and Bootbhy ,when Pearson left them in his flat and went on holiday when he got back his flat was robbed and only the pics taken. Something weird happened there,
With all that lying he obviously was well suited to be a politician
the underworld and the exclusive set... two sides of the same coin, person, society both hiding and cultured by secrets (about the training of how to educate children through pain).
That is a very smart comment !
- I’ve never looked at it that way before !
And so the corruption continues unabated
Makes you wonder about the upbringing, the parents of these deviants. I mean what happened in childhood.
Privileged and unsupervised!
@danswhite8544 In what ways is public school no different from the care system?
this is a secret history documentary from channel 4, im guessing they cut the opening titles off to stop youtube deleting it
I only recall the name of Lord Boothby in a skit by Benny Hill , Lord Boothby, played by Benny Hill is being interviewed, he's sitting in a big leather chair and every time he moves, with some pontification ,the leather squeaks like a fart and it gets louder and louder, farty Boothby .
I bet Hill was at a few of Boothby's parties............
Homosexuals and politics: old as time.
Your point was?
@@oldtimer7635 Feeling guilty?
@@propagandatwo Can't you read English?
@@oldtimer7635 lol ...and sporting for a fight.
Not forgetting cliff Richard as Ronnies boy
And Leslie Grantham. Don’t forget that little coward.
Visitors book at Elm Bank Guest House had many showbiz names too one being called Kitty 👀
Mad Teddy wasn't murdered, He knew by 1967 after Jack the Hat was killed it was all coming to an end, He simply fled to Australia where he stayed until around 2004. He returned to the UK and died in 2006 I think it was 06. I don't know how Nipper couldn't find him and didn't know he fled down under.
Thank you
Boothby was a horrible man
Apart from everything else, it is worth it just to hear the Cockney and Toff accents.
And Cliff Richard. ....
Who Kitty from Elm Bank Guest House ?
Ughhhhhhj....sick.
She had huge hands like hams!
SIR CLIFF RICHARD'S " FRIEND" HENCE , CLIFF GOT A KINGHTHOOD !!!!!!!! LORD BOOTHY . FROM. U.K. (2023).
Lord BOOTY
The words "tall building" come to mind!
Revolting man !
This is real Doug and Dinsdale stuff! Not to mention Harry "Snapper" Organs.
Ol' Boothby liked booty, by Jove. Or as the saying goes...'A hole or a pole'. Although his name is not mentioned in this documentary (doc from the 1980s I'm guessing?), in hindsight I have no doubt that Jimmy Savile was intertwined in the seedy, sleazy side, particularly in the grooming of children. Saville was immersed, very prolific in that sinister, shadowy world from the late 1950s onwards for at least three decades. He was also a master of threatening lawsuits, which might explain his absence from this doc. Although it's a dark subject, there's lots of amusing innuendo hither 'n' thither in this doc......"He needed to get out of a hole." Great doc. Thanks for upload. Respect from Ireland.
"Bob was a bit of a shit", we thought he ate it whilst under a glass topped coffee table?
Opening photo from only fools and horses at 21.53 !!!
34:23 “Do they mean ME”? …. “They surely do” 😂😂😂😂
Bum bandits
after meeting Lord Boothby and Tom Driberg MP , Ron was all for forming his own political party called the Firm , he had big plans not just as an MP , but actually being Prime Minister , he would listen to Winston Churchill speeches and tried to talk like him , sadly it was not to be as he had a criminal record , and was barred from entering politics .
“Sadly”? Well he would have been better than the last 5 UK PMs!
Sadly ???..
This story just makes me think how since its first broadcast its been having these scandalous people makes you wonder doesn't it
So Ronnie Kray was KrayKray.
Robert Augustus Boothby and Thomas Cornelius Driberg.
Time: 20:32 My exact birthday: Feb. 17th, 1963 Wild.
Fascinating.
Strange, no mention of Harry Webb.
Who?
@@JB-gq9ed An internet search will provide that information.
@@JB-gq9ed Aka Kitty 😺
Elm Bank Guest House signed register singer/entertainer posing as Kitty cr
How about you doing something about it? And yeah, they didn't safe the world as well!
Wots more chilling is that this behaviour is now cinsidered very normal in bureaucracy
Just your average Tory really.
What a shame that the pure 1970s nudge-nudge script couldn't have been voiced by Frankie Howerd or Kenneth Williams - ooer Missus 😮🎉😂.
19:30 That's not the full set of photographs lol.
The crays could probably shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it.
Only if they had strong friendships with the Americans - Mafia or corrupt politicians. But when were they even IN the good old USA?
Young boys, half the smell twice the grip. Pass me another, I’ve split this one! I honestly hate to think what this motley lot got up too.
Nice !!!!!!!!!!!
Sadly keep losing the sound on this upload . Shame
Something wrong with the device you're watching it on then...there's nothing wrong with the sound.
Watching it now mate and sound is ok
The fight to get a decent police force has been long and hard. For a long time it was a losing battle but it bravely struggled into the light and had some days into the sun and worthwhile successes, for which the society, indeed the world should be grateful because it showed what could be achieved when decency and good people prevail. Alas, those days have passed and I fear it has again been trampled into shadows again by governments, politicians, previleged patrician and media. Good luck to decency, it may be down but not out.
So the police "had some days in the sun"..i really must have missed those. Could you give a rough timeline when you think that was? .
Also known as Angus Brendan Macneil MP.
Be careful. There are dark forces protecting certain people.
@@Hellserch you men the institutionally corrupt police?
@@joeboyd8702 More than that. The Rubber Souls are nastier bastards and will fit you up for sneezing. They troll CZcams, amongst other places and when you put a public name out there, they pick it up. I’m saying this in goodwill.
@@Hellserch I know all about corrupt police from Royalty and Specialist Protection in particular.
@@Hellserch You mean people like DC Gianpaolo Pavarani of royalty and specialist protection? I already complained about him.
Cedra Court 😂
Has anything changed in 21st Century?
who on this is the narrator
The actor Nigel Anthony.
Anton Lesser???
Such a shame this original film has such deteriorated narration sound track as it's so wooly even the subtitles can't filter out the sloppy upper class indistinct mumbling of the narrator. It needs re editing with someone who can speak clearly being dubbed over the old useless sound track. Ploughing through it causes what we used to call "listening fatigue".
@sydmccreath4554 You're lucky you haven't got an age related hearing issue. Even so I would still find your wooly diction caused by that inferior recording even if I had 100% good hearing. It's not Opinion it's an auditory fact.
Captioning wasn't that accurate 4 years ago when this was loaded. And since that's only the most recently captioning could have been applied, you're probably restricted to even older captioning technology. Very little chance unless you had received pronunciation accents instead of the drawls you hear here. But no, I reckon I follow the voice pretty accurately anyway.
Was every politician a bandit in the 60s.😂😂😂
Can nobody see the resemblance between Boothby amd Boris Johnson?
no
SHIT ....YOU DONT MEAN HE'S HIS FATHER 😱
NO
I understand what you mean. Boothby and BJ are both bullshitters who are entitled, assume they can get away with any impropriety and are callous in the extreme.
Yes definitely
Intraterrestrials😮
Blimey!
Have to say his story about meeting Hitler and Boothby saying what he said was funny , even tho it was bullshit
Still no mention of the Pedo Ring
I know very little about this, but from what I understand it was a POLITICAL affair, not a seciety scandal. They seem to cover up the real issues with some salacious gossip, that frankly should not interest anybody.
All fake.