David Frum on Tucker, Dubya, Rudy, and More! I Q&A with Matt Lewis
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- During this Q&A with David Frum, staff writer for The Atlantic, Matt asks David about...
-- People David has known, such as Tucker Carlson, Pat Buchanan, Rudy Giuliani, and President George W. Bush.
-- What he has changed his mind about in recent years.
-- Who has impressed him (and depressed him) most during the Donald Trump era.
-- And MUCH more!
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WHOA: David Frum *finally* understands that sometimes you need the government to intervene in the economy! And it's good to have social programs to ensure basic needs are met!
David Frum, one of Canada’s best, is the only voice I truly value on US politics. I try to hear or read every word he writes for all his audiences.
actually very very few people have less credibility than frum does, hes a war mongering joke.
Not to pat everyone here on the back too hard, but in the current situation, conservatives that are not cultists seem to be the best sources of reality today. Prudence, compassion, and patriotism for all Americans (that means immigrants, women, and yes even white men) is the what we should aspire to.
I'm not conservative but I'll give props where due
On the topic of where David was in the eighties: I came to Canada in 1979 as a newly-wed. There was this extraordinary radio program, As it happens, hosted by David’s mom. I loved her! His roots in journalism are deep.
Mr. Frum you are avery intelligent man. Did it ever occur to you that if no biographer could find the depth of Reagan, that he didn't have any depth? He seemed quite dim to me.
Exactly! Terrible man who got credit for progress that should have gone to Gorbachev. And dreadful partnership with Thatcher.
Didn't Obama's biographer come to the conclusion that he had/has no depth? So I guess that's not necessary to be a successful President.
Poor Ann......daddy issues
He did nothing when the HIV virus broke out. They blamed gay people and said it was God's punishment for being gay. Nancy used her astrologer to make decisions when Ronnie wa completely gone. His VP Bush would talk into an ear phone when he had to speak in public. He once thought he was on stage for a movie and talked about costumes. He was never considered intelligent among actors let alone politicians. The man was an empty suit. And God help us we never recovered from his trickle down economics. Piss on my head and tell me it's raining.
The same has been written about Obama.
No one wants to talk about alcoholism and its progression, it gets worse, never better
I had always thought the Giuliani's problem was an artifact of his cancer treatments but hearing him called an alcoholic makes a lot of sense.
Very interesting interview! Thank you both
Nicely. Good questioning & always expansive thought process for me when engaging with Frum's intellect, vast reference fields & views regarding the state of currency.
I heard Frum explain the immigration situation on another podcast. It was the first time I understood what was really going on. Great teacher.
Do you recall which podcast this was
@@MsFarrob Hi Fara, No, I am sorry but I don't. I may have mischaracterized the format as a podcast because I am confused by much of the terminology. I am confident that it was something I saw on CZcams where he was being interviewed or at least acting as an expert during some discussion of immigration. What impressed me was that he explained the problem without all the partisan spin that commonly colors the reality. He really is exceptional .
@@MsFarrob, I think it was on The Bulwark podcast with Tim Miller.
@@kevdaag2523 thank you.
I found that discussion re immigration, and it was well worth the time to research. If anyone else would like to watch it, it's on Al Franken's pod.
Great discussion, as always with David Frum. Thanks!
Great interview
Awesome to hear someone who has had such strong opinions on the past, reflect honestly on those positions and comment on where he was wrong. I hope I am able to do the same.
David Frum is the best commentator!
Is he ever sober?
Absolute Pros. 10/10
Great interview!
I had written that I would love to hear David Frum’s story, after listening to this interview I realize that my wish is coming true one discussion and interview at a time. Thank you.
David is an OUTSTANDING "friend of the show!!!"
even Bush Jr.’s domestic plans were awful. Such disrespect for the separation of church and state. We’re now more clearly seeing the Christian Nationalism that he nurtured
Nonsense. For the majority of the existence of public schools there was official school prayer. And most of what he advocated was conventional social conservatism which until basically yesterday was an end-to-end societal consensus whether you were a deep believer or not. Read FDR's nationally broadcast prayer on D-Day; this was NORMAL. Aggressive, history-denying secularists would have a heart attack hearing that now.
Bush Jr was horrible. Launched a war of choice on a country that didn't attack us on 911. Had an incompetent cabinet executing war, didn't course correct for years, costing thousands of lives. Publicly invited Georgia to nato causing vlad to attack them, offered no support. His record on foreign policy alone was putrid.
Yes, yes, yes. Glad someone else was seeing this.
It's funny how people are applauding a Jewish nationalist while condemning the fake and constructed of so called "Christian nationalism"
No such thing as Christian nationalism ,just bigots hating on people whose beliefs they don’t like.
I'm 71 years old and consider myself left of center. As much as I consider Trump one of the most destructive human beings in this country, he did perform one service. He made many of us reexamine our political positions. After he was elected the first time, I started reading David Frum, Bill Kristol, George Will and other conservative thinkers. I have grown to admire them a great deal. I even agree with a lot of their views. This interview with David Frum is excellent! Thank you!
Indeed, that is a silver lining. Thanks for watching (and commenting)!
More David Frum and Matt Lewis, please!
This interview was SO inspiring! (And revealing.) Loved the notion of 'the latent power of the economies of US and UK in 30s'. WORD.
I've followed a similar path to David. I still consider myself fairly libertarian but I've come to appreciate the social insurance programs and regulatory banking system. As to letting banks fail, I never would have thought we'd run into bank runs again after FDIC was established but what the internet did was allow people to move funds almost immediately. The government couldn't declare bank holidays as fast as people could pull their money out. The Credit Suisse collapse caught the Swiss government by complete surprise and they know a thing or two about banking.
"Libertarianism": "Freedom for me, responsibility for thee."
"Libertarianism": "If you are mugged and your wallet stolen, it's your own damned fault for having had a wallet."
"Libertarianism" is a rejection of the Founding Fathers and their work.
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great conversation David & Matt! Was just discussing with a friend about evolving opinions, she said she was so wrong in the past. She wasn’t ever wrong, because she had the ability to change her view point. What is scary to me is thinking your opinion is the only correct opinion, and it never changes. It means you aren’t learning.
Interesting to hear David Frum's thoughts and how some of them have changed over time. Sign of a healthy mind and, I think, his thinking and attitude is healthy for the democracy. It gives me hope to hear a respected thinker speak knowledgably and with hope.
Frum is always great. I’m a liberal Democrat and listen to him for good analysis of this era!!
First time listening, Matt asks excellent questions. Great dialogue by both, Frum never disappoints.
David has been through tradegy A decent man too
I read Pat Buchanan's book and always thought those "fights" you allude to were largely from his imagination.
The time he punched a cop (or whatever) is definitely real. It was originally reported by Brit Hume, interestingly.
I loved your Mom David!
How the hell did this guy get his reputation rehabilitated so easily?
Do all Americans have 15 second memories?
No wonder everyone else on the planet can only shake their heads in disgust!
- Racism, cancel culture & bat sit politics
Are all based on overreaction to limited, specific, blown out of over all proportion, word/action
(i.e. protecting children from drag queen readings but not GUNS (no 1 killer of children in USA)
- Acute Intolerance to normal and imperfect
This by devious design or pure ignorance
(either way the result is the same, sorting the 2 out only delays the response)
On this basis
Both David and the DEMs are doing just fine
Do go on....?
I especially wonder why he is writing for The Atlantic. Introduce Trump to political culture and anyone can be rehab'd apparently.
@@kevdaag2523um, OK.
Axis of evil?
2 x almost forever wars?
Laying the groundwork for Trump?
Is it really that difficult?
David, generals also took a “can’t somebody else do it” attitude on Jan 6. Despite hours of pleading from members of Congress, Capitol Police, Mike Pence, leaders of National Guard, gov of Maryland and Mayor of DC, Piatt and Army Sec Ryan didn’t allow National Guard to be activated until 4:37. AFTER TRUMP finally released his “go home in peace, I love you” video message to the insurgents.
Which apparently, Trump didn’t release. Someone with access to Trump’s Twitter account released that statement
This isn’t true at all. Have you actually listened to any of the congressional hearings on the matter? All the interference came from Pelosi and others. Go listen to Stephen Sund, chief of the capital police on 1/6. It was a setup. And I’m a Biden 2020 voter.
Insurgents? Lol. You must be drunk .
The power of free societies. Reminds me of Steven Kotkin when asked why will we win? "We're the West. We screw up all the time but we always eventually get it right. Our leadership changes. We renew. We're the West." Not that we should be cocky, but we should respect our strengths and understand them and never let them go.
Cucker Tarlson should visit north Korea. The streets are very clean there.
He was part of the problem!
Greed and an unregulated mortgage market is what led to the 2008 market crash. When will we ever learn?
Heroic acts Vs heroic people
In the arc of evolution
More evolved nations concentrate on actions and reasonings
NOT People (Trump)
It’s so interesting listening to David Frum. I particularly was struck by his changes of mind . Matt is still more stuck in the culture of reverence for Reagan and the old conservatives mythologies.
As a gay man who is married to another man; blaming gay marriage on the breakdown of heterosexual marriage is quite a reach. But it SURE won the 2004 election for George W. Bush! Marriage is a legal contract. For those who are into the "church" marriage thing, by all means go for it. My husband and I are in it for the legal protections that marriage affords us. Naturally - love and companionship are the first course but we need the legal protections that a marriage license affords us. If you straight people want to destroy your own marriages - have at it.
Long ago I did taxes. I felt for same sex couples. Their lives and finances were completely intertwined but they couldn't file as a couple nor get the tax benefits a couple gets. It was a struggle to break their finances in two. Not fair.
Fascinating!
It’s & last time listening to this channel. The ads are out of fkn control!
When David Frum talks about reduction of poverty and child mortality he forgets that in the US that is not happening.(Otherwise I agree with much of David Frum.)
Great interview- Conservatives are blending into liberalism in a very good way
31:54 i think brits regard Clemente Atlee as their greatest PM. I know Churchill gets a lot of attention, but his being Vice President of the Eugenics Society is getting more attention.😬
Yes Atlee is often mentioned as one of the best Prime Minsters of the 20th century along with Thatcher and Churchill.
Frum diagrams out how it's possible for conservatives to shed the panic and presidposition to target symptoms instead of causes for America's social issues. Taking a look at how western European societies -and CANADA work might stem some of the fear of socialism endemic in today's GOP.
Big take away for me from him: any particular issue isn't the end of the USA ie "have some perspective". If people these days stop viewing every issue as existential, we might not have the hyper ventilation we seems to be experiencing as a society lately.
Yeah -- Clarence Thomas being owned by a Neo-Nazi, and Alito wanting to transform the US into a "Christian" tyranny isn't an existential crisis for those who approve of their activist decisions.
Hey kids, get ready for neocon story hour. 🥰"The cause of something that had much deeper costs"...like...Iraq? You'd hope for something he changed his mind on, that would maybe come to the forefront of his brain.
It would be interesting to hear what he thinks now about that. I thought it was refreshing to hear his changed positions on gay marriage and on the necessity of strong social programs.
So why is the room getting cold?
He dismisses the lies and disasters of W waaayy to easily.
How quickly we forget. Charles Krauthammer was my first favorite conservative. I definitely miss him.
wonder if he would’ve embraced Trumpism like so many of his colleagues. We’ll never know
@@Trying911 Of course it is impossible to know for sure but I suspect not.
@@Tony-dk1bp bet plenty of others surprised ya
@@Trying911 Trump was president when he died in 2018. He was no Trump enthusiast, but I think he tried to temper his criticism because he wanted to have relevance within the GOP.
@@Trying911 You are more than correct sir. Please don't depress me.
nailed buchanan exactly.
Matt Lewis appears to be emulating Comedy Central's Jordan Klepper without the laughs. 😊
I just love hearing from David from. He puts things into perspective and has such great insight. It's too bad. He was Canadian born because I would love to see him run for president!
ew. i think you’re forgetting his role w the Iraq War
I wouldn’t go making a saint out of a sinner just yet. There are some things David Frum is unrepentant about, Iraq is one of them
Lindsey Graham
Interesting, David says that 2008 changed his views on regulation but still supports neoliberalism, which is against regulation, the regulation that prevents pollution in water or the prevents the global financial markets from collapsing because firms wanted to maximize profits on all things at all times
I remember a reporter asking GWB if he would be a president like his father. He ran from his dad. He said he'd be like Reagan. GHWB didn't play the religion game.
GWB killed stem cell research in the USA at the behest of evangelicals. Reagan had the moral majority in his corner because did zero to solve HIV because it was god's retribution.
What’s the significance of June 1940? Does frum mean the nazi occupation of France etc, or actually June 1944, as in D day
David, you lost me at I admired Charles Krauthammer. Nothing redeeming about him.
I wonder what David meant by Tucker's journalism always being "too good to edit..." ?? (Professional editors want to know!)
Seems to me he thinks his work shouldn't be questioned. That he is arrogant, which imo oozes from him.
@@justinkinkade2063 that's what i thought, at first...
Tucker's laugh should come with frozen red screen warning. My god so insane
War Criminal!!
Thankfully he wasn't asked about Israel.
conservatives care about people LOL name all the great tings conservatives did for civil rights.
Uggh.. I had to watch 5 seconds of a Trump ad to watch this video...
Who is David Frum ?
Henry Louis Gates PBS documentary on Reconstruction really brings home how that major failure in history undergirds so much today. You see the thread. I strongly recommend it. Reconstruction and the destruction of Reconstruction is not covered in high school, or just barely, even in the North. What is up with that? And by the way, I understand education is in the hands of states, but how are we supposed to hang together as a nation if we can't agree on certain facts about our past? I don't mean all facts, if course, but some coherent narrative?
War hawk who promoted Iraq invasion in 2003
political commentators interviewing political commentators about other political commentators .. small ecosystem ...
This guy sucks. Classic Warhawk.
the putin card is such a cheap shot.
Couldn't help but be transfixed by the host's massive forehead and lump of hair on top. A tip to him if I may, just let your hair fall down to form a natural fringe - that's what it wants to do
Matt's COVID hair was epic.
Frum makes some good points but he’s lying about Reagan’s speech and views of the world. His portrayal is simply not accurate.
Frum is also lying about Conservatives and Republicans embracing totalitarianism. He has some great points here but he screws things up with his silly hyperbole.
😂😂😂
As a Biden 2020 voter, Trump 2024!!!
This host is annoying.
Lot of Communists here
Who Versus What ! ?
Belays the 2 serious disagreement I have with David
His Axis of evil speech (Axis of Whos not more pointedly Axis of Whats)
And his passionate position on Israel (Who)
America for decades has fought communist (Who)
Not fought for democracy (coups in Iran, Chile and Guatemala ?)
For independent justice
Free Media
Human rights
Against International aggression (America turning out to be the greatest culprit)
David Frum? Are you serious? No...hell no
On gay marriage, I respect Frum and view him as having integrity (being fired by AEI over ObamaCare etc) but it's hard to see this as anything but a cave-in to the default popular stance common in his elite circles. His given reason / analogy is so shallow. Nobody says gay marriage or the prospect of it was the sole cause of the fragility of the family, the prevalence of divorce, the decline in male-female relationships etc. But it has to be A factor. Just because the west wing of your house has a huge fire, that's no reason to shrug off a new small one in the east wing.
Gay marriage has as much to do with the decline of the nuclear family, etc., as being honest causes dishonesty.
The inability to correctly place responsibility is a major social crisis.
Why not think gay marriage strengthened the family by encouraging more of the population to start families?
@@jonathansurovell3516 Ot that homosexuals, allowed to be honest, didn't pretend to be straight by marrying individuals of the opposite sex, and then perhaps have "gay" affairs on the side?
The real question is this:
In view of the fact that their "God" wrote, "Thou shalt not lie."
Why do these "Christians" REQUIRE that LYING be enforced BY LAW?
Umm -- why are right-wing heterosexuals so obsessed with homosexuality?
@@jonathansurovell3516couldn’t agree more. If you want to support the integrity of an institution let those committed to its values in the door.
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