Behringer UM2 vs UMC22 - Which one is right for you?
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- In this video I'm comparing the Behringer UM2 and UMC22 audio interfaces.
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Great review.
Thanks, it's very interesting that my measurements line up nicely with your experience as well. In your comparison you even pointed out the interference noise in the UM2. Nice work!!!
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Having been a fan of both your channels, I decided on the U-Phoria 204HD. Very happy with it. I still have to handle a slight buzz, but I've narrowed that down to the electrical circuit in my room. If I run an extension cord from another room, the buzz is gone, so I was thinking I might get this for use in the room I'm in:
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@@honeste6652 Hey, I'm not to sure the power conditioner will work. Buzzing sounds usually come from groundloops. Are you using powered monitors on your 204 and are you hearing in buzz in the monitors? Maybe you could try the Behringer HD400 isolator to connect between your interface and the monitors.
@@JulianKrause Hey Julian. Buzz may not be the right word. It's more like a hum, but only when I'm recording through my DBX 286s on mic recordings. It doesn't matter if I'm using a condenser or dynamic mic. I can get some of the noise out using the DBX 286s, but if I simply just plug my DBX 286s in an extension cord in another room, the hum goes away. Wouldn't that be the same as negating the ground loop problem?
My monitors are JBL 305p MKII. People complained about the hiss on these, but I gave it a go and bought them about a month ago. I had the same problem, until I used a balanced TRS cable from the 204HD to those and also now only notice it when I turn on my USB connected external drive bay. Since I only use that bay for sound recordings, I only hear it through those monitors while it's on. I'll be solving that at some point when I get an internal SATA card to increase my options in my machine.
I have zero sound treatment in my room, but my recordings sound decent raw and great after I've processed them in post. I just want to get rid of this hum, since it's really the biggest problem I have with the raw recordings. Anything to kill unwanted noise in the raw recordings means I'll have a less of a processed sound in the end.
@@honeste6652 That makes it even more certain that it is a groundloop. Just to make sure I understand you correctly: You don'T hear the hum in your monitors but there is some hum in your audio recordings. Right? Where is your output dial on your dbx 286 set at?
First time I watch a whole review without skipping parts or speeding up the video! great video, thank you
after this video, you can make a solid decision towards umc22. good video
Me too. Thank you, Julian.
Nice work Julian
holy they actually commented
? The hell fl srudio actually commented?
Why did u comment
lmao what the hell
This is how one should give review. Very helpful brother, thank you
I now have both. I use the legacy driver from the German Behringer site that has been linked to in other comments. They both work extremely well for my amateur purposes, especially now that I am following Julian's recently posted advice about setting the gain high enough. The clipping level mismatch is still there, alas, with the level in software running around -2dB. That said, clipping can still be avoided by aiming for the -18 to -12dB or so sweet spot we are taught to. The UMC22 is definitely the better unit, and to my ears it sounds perceptibly better, though Julian's tests suggest one should really hear no difference.
We now have 2021, and the driver issue still persists (yes I know of legacy drivers). I would recommend either or both interfaces as kit for internet choir rehearsals with Jamulus, were it not for an incompatibility even with the newest Asio4all 2.15 - it does not work, hence I cannot. Cheers Klaus
Can u give me the link??
@@klausfohl1028 I agree and am going to put all of my Behringer interfaces to pasture. I recently purchased a Tascam Model 12 which boasts a 12in/10out interface with superb preamps--not Antelope quality, but certainly a par with the Focusrite units many here love. It also is a self-contained no-latency MTR, a very nice little mixing desk with lots of controls and effects, and a basic DAW controller. I am not looking back.
Finally. Someone who talks about what matters. And does it great.
Great review Julian a very precise and informative review, great that you actually compare the specifications for both devices in depth and well.
Excellent, concise review. Just what I was looking for.
I used to own a umc22 and upgraded to a Steinberg UR22C interface. In hindsight it was a good interface but let down by not having its own dedicated ASIO driver. I did make some amazing sounding instrumental recordings on it. 👍
Is it really an upgrade if you increased your noise floor by such a massive margin?
@@skorpers My Steinberg UR22C is dead quiet unless the gain is cranked to maximum. 👍
@@derekfromtauranga6012 Not true. No interface is dead quiet. The signal to noise is worse below maximum as well.
Congratulations for the vídeo. Awesome the way You walked thru details and cover everything in a simple way to understand it's outstanding
Thank you for breaking this down and making it understandable.
To be honest this is the best review channel I've come across. Straight to the F# point
Awesome review Julian, you brought the equivalent noise input data of these devices, which is very hard to find, i guess behringer doesnt even publish it. It shows that a very good noise level, and it is what I needed to know to purchase it, since it has a very attractive cost. Thank you for the great work.
my PC onboard audio broken, i am planing on using Behringer U-Phoria UMC22 as an amp Dac for my XLR mic and M50x headphones. is this a significant upgrade. only using it for gaming streaming and watching movies. thanks alot for a great review. new Subscriber
Thanks for your accurate and unbiased reviews.
Ah, so one important difference between the two models is the output connections, described at 2:19
yeah you definitely need the balanced outputs for monitoring!
Thank you, Julian. Helpful...well done.
one of the best review
I am a newbie on this. What should i choose one sound card um2, umc22, m-audio or another? I work on recording acoustic guitar and voice. Thanks
Which one did you purchased? I have the same question like you now
Great review! I have a question I'm a guitar player who uses Amp modeling software. Which would produce a "better" sound. better low end?
Thank you for posting this.
Can you please do a review on the M Audio M Track II, as I am on a look for a low budget interface a part from Behringer. Thanks.
I own the umc22 which is now artificially over-priced (from the $40 list). It is good. I always wondered how it was compared to the um2 which was compared somewhere on CZcams directly to the focusrite, which also sounded almost the same too.
The review was comprehensive but did not have a side by side audio example except for some.static you played.
Hey, the reason I didn't show a side by side audio comparison is that, exept for the small difference in noise, there is no audible difference. They both sound the same when used correctly.
Yes great reviews thanks bro. I like & use UM. 2 device
Does UMC22 still have driver problem in Windows 10?
Do you recommend me to buy UMC22 for Windows 10? If not, which budget interface do you recommend me that works fine in Windows 10?
Which budget USB Mic do you recommend me?
UMC22 or M-audio M-track solo?
Good job man! awesome and descriptive!
Thanks Man. I am going to buy umc22
Imao, this is a true review. Fantastic video
The reason why these cheaper Behringer interfaces have such poor dynamic range (no less than 71 dB unweighted below clipping) much like that on Behringers Xenyx mixers USB mode is not because of anything to do with the hardware but the shitty "16 bit" converters that might as well have been recycled from a bunch of early 90s Soundblasters.
Today I was looking at the noise floor in my DAW for my old Xenyx board that I hadn't used in years, hooked up with USB with everything down wondering "if these mixers are supposed to be quiet like people say whats causing all this noise and why does it sound so bad" and decided to pull out the plug out of the board. The noise floor with it's infamous nasty mid range spike remained at the exact same level on the meter even though the board had no power going to it. The USB mode was providing power only to the onboard ADC and with that same noise floor with nothing going into it, it became clear where the problem lay. I actually measured the noise of the Xenyx through it's main outs into the inputs of my (much) better interface with gain matching etc. and was shocked at just how low noise that thing actually was (although the headphone out circuit is quite hissy).
Thankfully the higher up interfaces don't seem to have these problems with their converters but I'd be inclined to stay away from anything that Behringer sells that isn't stated to be 24 bit (actual 16 bit would be more than fine, but what you're getting here is more like 12 bit).
EDIT: I've been looking a lot at converters these last few days and hadn't noticed you'd pointed them out here. The Cool Audio V2902 must be the same as the Texas Instruments PCM2902 chips under a different brand, they both have a stated SNR of 89 dB (that would be A weighted). Maybe a little better than what must be the PCM2900 used in the Xenyx I have. Nonetheless it's still nowhere close to the unweighted 96 dB (peak to RMS noise floor) and the noise is close enough that of the preamps at max gain that it has an additive effect and raises degrade the EIN. Now that I've got to the bottom of this I'll stop nerding out and get on with life.
you should have 1.2 million subs. great quality. keep up the good work.
So using ASIO4ALL, i have always experienced latency issues (I use an MXL990 for my mic), but they've always been so minor, that I've over looked that issue. I never even though to download the drivers that are meant for my audio interface. Anyway, i downloaded the drivers, and was very impressed with the lower latency it offers (3ms). However, all was well until i tried mixing. Every time i chose a new plug in, i would be greeted with awful crackling sounds. I know it's not my computer, as i recently upgraded (CPU usage is at 6% when FL is open). There are no crackling sounds when using ASIO4ALL or FL STUDIO ASIO, which leaves me to conclude that it must be Behringers shitty drivers that haven't been updated in over 3 years, or could it be something else? I've tried disabling unnecessary sound drivers in my system settings, and that also didn't work. Has anybody had this problem, and if so, is there a fix?
Tl;dr - UMC22 making crackling noises whenever i add a plugin to the mixer.
The crackling noises is because of your very low buffer size. Try increasing it
Hi Julian, I’m using the UMC 22 for teaching on zoom. Why can’t students hear everything in stereo? Vox and instrument? Thx !
The UMC 2 seems perfect for mobile use with only a laptop, small portable cheap and rca wouldnt matter
is it also 24 bit ??
Great video. Thanks so much.
Fantastic review. How old are you? You look like just a kid but speak like a mature professional!
Great review indeed! I have an UMC202. But I was considering to buy the UM2 to for travelling. Do you have a better idea? Which audio interface do you think, suits better a travelers needs than a UM2 in the budget range?
THANK YOU! best review ever
Behringer Q502 is another product that will confuse the buyer in affordable audio interface market, it would be great if it was also compared with these stand-alone audio interfaces in terms of audio performance
Oh thank god
i've found a teacher that i'd like to learn from
Excellent reviews, the best i've ever seen, i'd say
Hey Julian, I can't find where you explain how to workaround the cliping issue on windows. Thanks
The windows driver can still be found on behringers page: w w w. behringerdownload.de/_software/BEHRINGER_2902_X64_2.8.40.zip
@@Pentti_Hilkuri, it doesn't really solve the problem and in my hands seems to make the problem worse in that when the interface clips software tops out at -6dB and you really can't budge it from there. Despite Julian's reservations, I have been working with the ASIO4ALL drivers in Cakewalk, Waveform Free, and Reaper, and manage to get acceptable results. Indeed, Reaper and Waveform allow you to adjust input gain to bring the clipping levels into alignment, and Cakewalk, for some reason, seems reasonably aligned with no grief at all. Also, I have the UMC202HD Behringer driver on my machine (it is a good one and enhances the performance of that device), and it does not coexist nicely with 2.8.40 driver for the UM2. So I took the latter off and when using the UM2 I use ASIO4ALL pointed at the generic Windows USB Audio Codec--you do this by calling up the ASIO4ALL control panel in software or from its icon on the task bar.. Despite Julian's experience I have very few problems. But I do agree that Behringer should provide a driver that settles this clipping level issue. The UMC202HD doesn't have it, nor it seems, do more expensive inferfaces from Roland and Rode, etc.--they just "work."
@@leswright4108 I have have the UMC204HD and in Win7 I have to use really old driver to fix the -6dB clipping problem (2.23?), in Win10 the newest UMC driver works properly.
I take it all back. I took ASIO4ALL off e, installed the 2.8.40 driver for the UM2 and the reinstalled the specific driver for the UMC202HD. I educated myself about how to properly access the specific audio settings, and in tinkering with those buffer settings and latency rates I figured that on my modest little machine I shouldn't expect miracles with respect to latency rates. Once I eased up on those settings everything records fine and plays back without snaps or pops. The drivers coexist fine with each other, and as long as I set up things correctly in whatever DAW I am using (these days the focus is on Cakewalk) all is fine. As far as the clipping misalignment goes, it still happens with both these interfaces, and if I really insist on 0 dB as my clipping threshold I can ad about 2.5 dB input gain. But this seems pointless as in proper gain staging the initial tracks should peak rather short of 0dB and we aren't in clipping danger there.
I know I am 2 years too late with my comment, but I am currently planning to buy the UM2 and I was wondering how it would perform with a BM800 Condenser Microphone?
Great review. thank you. so i connect my mic (shure bm-800) to it and connect from it to the computer and start recording straight away or do i need a phantom power? Also, do i need to buy any extra cable or connector to achieve this connection? than you.
Very awesome review.. so detail.. thanks
The lack of midi inputs is a problem if you want to plug in a midi controller. I sent my Beringer UMC22 back and bought Steinberg instead, more pricey , but it includes MIDI input/output and you get Cubase AI free too.
UMC204HD literally has midi and greater amount of I/O + is cheaper and much lower noise.... what. When you wrote this comment the UMC204HD was $79.
Hi, Julian. I'm from Brazil. I decided on Um2 because the difference is really not significant and also i can buy another things like a microphone with the money. I want to set up a home studio. Thank you for review, man.
Também estava no mesmo impasse, a diferença é de quase 100 reais, deu pra comprar um jogo de mic da Arcano com a diferença :)
@@williansouza5459 Pois é. A minha questão era essa mesmo. Depois, mais pra frente, eu faço um upgrade. Comprou o jogo de Mic no Mercado Livre? Acha a Arcano melhor que BM800?
@@Julianasousa321 Definitivamente sim, refiro me ao arcano Am-01, porém creio ser mais caro que o BM800, mas ainda sim é mais barato que o Behringer B1, e a qualidade é muito igualável, segundo muitas reviews que li e por experiência própria.
@@williansouza5459 Obrigada. Vou procurar esse mic.
Vou pegar a UMC22 mesmo, por ser de metal
Choirs are going jamulus.io for online rehearsals, but even ASIO4ALL 2.15 together with these interfaces plainly does not work with Jamulus.
Good review, subbed.
when I connected the instrument in the INST 2 (UMC22) the wave is not read by the software and no sound is coming through the software (audacity)
Can I use these Behringer devices with two microphones or does the 'Inst' input only work with _instruments_? I'm looking for a cheap preamp to do podcasts with two mics and thought that this might work.
Hey, the UM2 and UMC22 only have one mic input. If you want to get the cheapest two channel interface you might want to a look at the Behringer UMC202HD.
@@JulianKrause Thanks for the quick reply! Appreciated :-) What happens if I plug a Microphone to the Inst input? Is there a video explaining that? Or is it just a no no and will break gear.
Very nice narration.Distinct and intelligible for everybody.
If you pl let me know the millivolt input to umc22 which comes out of a microphone.
Thanks for rewiev
Genuinely helpful review.
Do these have some kind of built in limiter? I'm using my 22 just as a mic preamp, and I notice that when the gain is up the signal is flattened going into my soundcard.
Great video Julian! What is your main audio interface? The one that you're always using for your pc.
Hey, I don't have a main interface. I change it quite often and always use the one I'm currently reviewing.
@@JulianKrause great! Thanks for the reply. :)
Does this act as a headphone amp as well when playing games at the same time when using it with the mic
If you use the interface for output and have your headphones plugged into it, you can get a bit more volume if you max out the volume on the PC and crank up up the interface output.
Good Review. This interfaces is compatible with BiasFx2 ? Guitar output can be changed by using BiasFx2 ?
Hai, what's your opinion, if I want to choose Zoom U44 , instead of Roland Rubix22. How do you campare each other???
Great video thanks
hi there, I'm looking at buying a low budget interface for music playback. I currently have a behringer xenyx 802 bus mixer which I use as an interface and for connecting my turntable/CD player to my monitors. However, there is a lot of hissing/interference noise whenever I playback audio from the PC which doesn't happen with the turntable/CD player. Would either of these products do any better with playing audio on the PC back or would I end up with similar results? Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.
What's the difference in 24bit / 96khz and 24bit / 192 khz (Zoom U44 & Roland Rubix22) specs difference. How does it reflect in the quality of singing & Guitar acoustic & Nylon ...
So which drivers do you recomend for the UMC22? Great review btw!
tell me if you got drivers pls
@@jyotipatel-td9dx i plug it, and it runs smoothly, no probs at all!
The windows driver can still be found on behringers page: w w w. behringerdownload.de/_software/BEHRINGER_2902_X64_2.8.40.zip
I'm confused, can you also output sound from your computer to your headphones with this? or are the outputs purely for input pass through?
Hey, you can output sound from your PC to the headphones and when you activate direct monitoring you will additionally hear the sound that is recorded by the interface in real time ;)
@@JulianKrause thanks! I was really beginning to worry since I already ordered it
@@JulianKrause Hi Julian, does it mix then the pc audio output with the mic In on the headphone speaker ?
I seen that if you make an usb splitter, and separate the power cables from the data cables, plug the power cables to a phone charger to the wall and the data cables to the pc, that audio distortion seen at 1khz and its armonics, go away.
Thanks julian, now im very confident with my own recording devices, btw i have that umc22
Thank you for your video. I'm looking for an external sound card with 2 stereo output to pair it with both my Xone 23 (not "c") and Traktor on my laptop to record some mixes. Will that do the job you think?
Cheers
Hey, you will need an interface with two line level inputs. One thing you could do is to connect the "record" RCA output of the Xone 23 to a Behringer UCA202. Another solution would be to use your "master" out and go into a Behringer UMC202HD.
@@JulianKrause Thank you! Im mostly looking for a quality recording, so I suppose i should jump to UMC202HD? Will UMC22 work the same way?
@@hsx7576 I wouldn't say that you necessarily have to get the UMC202HD. The UCA202 might be just fine. The UMC22 will not work, because it does not have two line level inputs.
@@JulianKrause that's noted. Thk u very much for ur help!
really good information
Whats the diference vs UMC 202 HD?
Hey julian..is the direct monitor can be in mono when using only 1input channel?
You also may cover the UMC2 with aluminum foil and save a few bucks.
Is there a more modern version of these products at a comparable price point? Say, with usb-c connector, no driver problems in win10 etc?
Can anyone say if it possible to have two line inputs, as in left and right signals going into these interfaces to record stereo outputs, or only mono recording for instrument etc? Sorry in advance if a dumb question, I am new to all this.
Is umc22 along with BB800 condenser mike can be used for video recording on ipad6?
04:58 - SUCH AN EYE-OPENER!
And, bye bye Behringer UMC22...
Better off with UM2, if you want to just record 1 Mic or something.
damn Julian looking good with them chiseled features boo
Great review, by the way...
Hey Julian. Any plans to make a video of the driver workaround? Been waiting patiently since.
I'm currently having issues getting the interfaces to work... Regardless, set the level slider in the windows sound settings to 69. This will get you close to the optimal setting and should give you low noise recordings. Cheers!
@@JulianKrause Thanks Julian! It looks like this interface, though not USB 3.0, likes the bandwith of it. I set my Driver settings to minimum latency on the legacy behringer ASIO driver and it works wonderfully. 1.1ms latency.
Hey Julian, I AM about to give some zoom classes virtualy for some HIT training, i do need ti share music from My computer but using a micro for give instructions to the people taking classes. I AM wondering ir really need to Buy in an interface ir really not needed, maybe just some kind of audio card that help me to be able to connect a wireless micro ....i AM un sure
Quick question: i'm looking for my first audio interface and i'm see allot of UM2 vs UMC22 videos , but i would like to see a UMC22 vs UMC202HD.
Both still pretty cheap but is the extra 16€ worth it.
Depends on the use case, but likely yes. The UMC202HD comes with a dedicated ASIO driver, so latency roundtrip times will be much better. There are 2 XLR/jack combo ports, so you could record two mics or 2 instruments at the same time if needed. The HD can also record 192KHz/24-bit resolution, and seems to have a much bigger dynamic range.
Go on the umc22 😉
Details explanation 👍
So did you get a solution from behringer for the clipping levels not aligning?
So this "midas" pre-amp means nothing? And with the others interfaces like "UMC202HD" or "UMC404HD", is this same pre-amp performance?
thanks Julian :)
Thank you!
Julian did you solve the problem with the software? 6:20
Which one is the best Behringer 2 or Focusrite solo. For voice recording
Hard to say, define "best". Both will get the job done. If you're on windows I would say go with the Solo. The UMC22 and UM2 have some driver problems under windows.
@@JulianKrause if i use focusrite solo i need to install driver or i can use without drivers
@@MJ_Pictures_Studio If you are on MacOS you should be fine without a driver. If you use Windows I suggest you install the provided driver from Focusrite.
Is the behringer UMC22 good on Ubuntu/ElementaryOS/ZorinOS? I hope it works out well there
How about the driver ? Do they use asi4oall or spesific driver from behringer
It seems like some interface producers round the corners when it comes to some specs, maybe to simplify or make the gear seem a little bit better than it is. When it comes to food there it is allowed to be a couple of percents of when it comes to nutrition facts since two pieces of the same food can have variations when it comes to nutritional values (animals can differ in muscle density therefore the amount of protein can vary, same with the nutrition in the grass, soil and other variables), and to make it a little bit easier for the food industry.
Danke Julian
did Behringer get back to you about the problems with the clipping?
And if I want to use it mainly for playing back music in my PC? Does it works fine? No noise? I have 2 M-Audio BX5a...
I haven't specifically tested the output of these interfaces but they should work fine for music playback. Your M-Audio BX5a has a balanced input, so I would recommend you go with the UMC22, which has balanced outputs.
Thanks. Do you know is Scarlett Solo has balanced outputs?
@@henriquecorreia9917 No, it doesn't. It got unbalanced RCA outputs.
thank you it was very helpfull to me
Hi Julian, nice review nad comparasion. I have one requets, if you have time and still have UMC22. Can you measure frequency response of mic input/preamp on UMC22? I will use interface to measure speaker response with calibrated Sonarworks XREF2 mic. I did not find that info anywhere on the net, but found on Focusrite site info about their Solo 2nd gen microphone response and numbers are: MICROPHONE INPUTS
Frequency Response - 20 Hz - 20 kHz +0.5/-1.5 dB. There are high tolerance and regarding this info, Solo 2nd gen is not usable for speaker measurements. But, Scarlett 2i2, which use identical mic preamp like Solo, have better results, and the numbers are: 20 Hz - 20 kHz +0.25/-0.25 dB. Are they honest, i dont know :). Thanks Julian in advance. BR,
Hey, the manufacturers tolerances regarding the frequency response are often quite a bit worse than they are in practice. For example, I measured the frequency response of the mic input of the 2i2 and it is pretty much perfectly flat: czcams.com/video/FdH5cnjmfUc/video.html
And pretty much all the interfaces I tested in the past had a near perfect frequency response in the audible range. If I find the time, I will measure the UMC22 but I can't promise it.
Can I use either of these as a DAC for gaming? Will there be any audio latency?
Can It drive 250ohm Headphones ?
can i connect a smartphone to UM2 for using a smart phone / tab to sing on smule?
Is it compatible with adobe audition 1.5, and can it not be stereo for recording?
Ich frage mich woher die Spannungsspitzen im Rauschen des UM2 kommen, wenn man bedenkt, dass beide hardwareseitig nahezu identisch sind.
Schwer zu sagen, wo genau das herkommt. Aber alleine das unterschiedliche Board Layout könnte schon dazu beitragen, dass irgendwo Störsignale in den Audiopfad gelangen. Habe auch schon bei anderen Geräten gesehen, dass die Spannungswandler für die Phantomspeisung solche Effekte entstehen lassen. Solange da im FFT nur eine Mini-Spitze zu sehen ist, ist das normalerweise auch kein Problem. Beim UM2 war die Phantomspeisung aber aus und es übertreibt trotzem ein bisschen ;)
Yes UM2 choice
First
Does anyone know if this interface can do multitrack recording?
Bro when i edit my sound in premiere then make a cut in the audio/video i get poor sound where the cut is made. Can you help explain why. Thanks in advance bro.
What exactly do you mean by poor audio quality? Does it stutter or distort? Is the audio quality still bad when you render the video? Might be a problem with the application. Or could it be something like this: www.reddit.com/r/premiere/comments/8b82p3/help_noise_reduction_audio_effect_has_23_seconds/
@@JulianKrause So i edit the audio, Get it sounding goodish, then once i edit the video and make cuts the audio is bad for about 1.5 to 2 seconds after each cut. so if i make 50 cuts in a video that is alot of crap audio.
@@conorphoto Sorry, no idea. I don't use Premiere and I have the feeling it is an issue with the software. Maybe someone is an Adobe Forum can help you out.
@@JulianKrause (Bro.)