I see a lot of comments that his forehand is not good enough, but you never win 1000+ tournaments and reach the top 4 without a very very good forehand in this era. What I notice is that the racquet face is really consistent and stable around the contact zone. Doesn’t look like one of the most fluid and efficient in terms of generating power but maybe it’s his natural power what compensates the swing mechanism. What amazes me most is that his swing looks so flat but he’s shot is not. From my memory during the match against Nadal in the ATP Final his rpm was not far behind Nadal’s.
Unique style. Interesting how he starts the swing racket face down, then turns the wrist to bring the racket face on its side just before he takes the racket forward with the face down again.
The racquet is more aerodynamic when facing down, so he does that to increase the speed. Using a cover or a bag over the head of the racquet when swinging is a great way to feel that.
Love Tennis that is some really great footage. We’ve been wanting to do a short forehand analysis for Tsitsipas - would you be ok with use using a short clip of this video? We will obviously give you credit in any way you want. Thanks!
I like his swing path. No complicate wrist flip actions throughout the swing. Keep it simple is the best. Also, he doesn’t use “snap” like other pros do. Maybe that’s why he’s able to placing the ball accurately pretty consistently.
He's using a mixture of modern/traditional forehand, not the next gen whipping style. At least we know now he's never getting arm injured that way. Good for Stefanos!
What is next gen whipping style? You mean a western grip FH like Kyrgios, Khachanov and Sock? Just wondering about that term, because Nadal and Fed e.g. whip the ball heavily...
@@ntnnot I play tennis, I don't mean top spin. All pros have massive spin. it's just a sligtly different swing that some newer players do. They open up wider and sooner and then force the wrist lag a bit before contact by doing an extra cyclic move (the lag should be all natural). This adds a whipping effect to the ball (like a whiplash) but could eventually lead to a wrist damage, if you're not careful enough. Mine got hurt, so I dropped the technique and now it's restored
@@TMPOUZI Yeah I know you didn't mean top spin (I spoke about 'whipping' the ball). Meant that if you look at Fed's and especially Nadal's FH, the whipping effect from wrist lag and subsequent acceleration is heavy, resulting in solid racquet head speed. Is there a video that would illustrate this motion by the Nextgeners? (still don't really grasp the difference)
You guys can say thick semi-western or thin eastern or hybrid whatever. It’s just his grip. Most of players don’t know what their grip is. And that’s the answer. Our structure of arm is different so make your own grip and swing by endless swing. Your body will let you know.
Yeah I don't think it's full semi western. It's definitely more eastern than semi western. You can make out from the contact point, his palm is facing the oncoming ball unlike a sw where the palms will be facing upward.
Please! Not at all! In fact it’s kind of ugly compared to Fed’s. He brings the racquet back on the table then opens the face on the edge with a weird looking wrist lag! He also isn’t as balanced as Fed! It works but it’s nowhere like Fed’s!!
@@LoveTennisOfficial I thought DP made that adjustment because of the wrist surgeries he had? These guys are such great athletes they can get away with big loop swings as well as being a bit late at times. The reflexes are off the charts.
No doubt. Very accurate and powerful forehand. In terms of consistency and speed, his forehand is even better than Thiem. Not as heavy as Thiem though.
This is the best forehand in the next gen players. Many people said it looks awkward and forgot the fact that each player needs to build a forehand that suits their physical characteristics. Nadal would not be as good if he used Federer's forehand style. Federer also would not be as good if he used the Nadal's forehand style. Right now, among the young players, only Thiem is a match for Tsitsipas when comparing forehand's winners.
I disagree. The best is just an opinion, not abject fact. I do agree that all the top tens forehands are suited to their style and physical nature. They all have their pros and cons as a player. Not a forehand. Technique matters yes, but ultimately at the end of the day it’s how the player uses it that truly matters.
@@pennygirl015 A tennis player's ability is a combination of different things such as shots (FH, BH, volley, smash, etc...), decision making, footwork, speed, endurance, and so on. To evaluate just the forehand, we must isolate it from other abilities of players. That means under the condition that all other characteristics are equal, which player has a higher chance of winning with just his forehand. If playing with just forehands, only players like Thiem, Beretini, Rublev can be a match with Tsisipas. Of course, best is a subjective word. Just say one of the best (top 5) would be more appropriate.
@@ngoduy3110 Do you mean those forehands are close in the terms of power, spin, technique, drive etc? Because that is my point, While Tsitsi’s forehand is very solid and consistent, it does not have the variety and spin that nadals does or the raw flat power of Rublev’s or the control and counterpunching ability of medvedev’s. You could compare forehands all day, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. They all have one thing or another over each other. It really just depends on how the player is playing that day. (Of course speaking in terms of top 10.)
@@pennygirl015 Well, Nadal is a legend, he is not a next-gen player. Tsitsipas' forehand is on par with Thiem and Rublev. So comparing he with Rublev is ok. But Medvedev, no. Without his backhand, Medvedev will be destroyed in a forehand duel with Tsitsipas (or Thiem, Rublev, Beretini). While it is unclear when comparing one player to another, comparing forehand is very straightforward. As I said, just take every other things as equal, you should see which player has a better forehand. While different forehands have different strengths, one is clearly better than others. Stats also help. By the way, Tsitsipas' forehand is specialized in hitting spots in both sidelines with consistency and good pace.
Tough to be certain, but if you pause at 1:53 and play it at 0.25x speed, it does appear that he has a “soft” semi-Western with a swing path most comparable to Del Potro’s. Perhaps less appealing than Roger’s, but if/when it eventually serves as one of his major weapons to win grand slams, that will become a moot point.
He takes it back forcibly and the racket face does not fall down as it should...This might lead him to elbow or shoulder injury in the future ...Currently he is young and elbow is taking the pressure I doubt it might do in future
Big ballah I would say the uni turn and shoulder turn are fine ..It's what he does that matters ..If you look from the side as video shows the backward swing would better be a loop rather that he takes it back one step more than is necessary....If you notice Roger .s forehand swing its more of a loop and whole action looks smooth ...Tsitsipas does not look smooth enough .Even when compared to nadal this is my opinion..I guess his elbows must be real strong to take the pressure..He has a very good action whether it is enough is anybody s guess
Never noticed it looks so odd. He swings almost as if it's baseball. And I feel like he uses a "western way" of holding an eastern grip (or even neutral - like when you do volley) when hitting higher balls and "eastern way" of holding a western grip when hitting low balls, if that even make sense. I mean his hand looks like what people using an eastern grip would be, but the grip is turned into western, and vice versa. And I don't understand how he hits so consistently, looks like there's no index finger for leverage.
That’s exactly what i see. using eastern way with western grip when hitting high balls. other than that just simple follow swings(do not throw the racket to the front)with western grip.
All this debate about his grip. If you pause his backswing at a certain part, like at :27(right when the lady in the background is seen through his strings), you can see the base knuckle of his index finger. If the grip were Eastern, you wouldn't be able to because it would over the 3rd bevel. That knuckle is over the 4th bevel. That's Semi-Western. Debate over.
So shadow is pretty disguising but when u see carefully in light it's more eastern grip with knuckle of the index is right in bevel 3 border...yes it's not a complete eastern grip but 70% belongs to it and not semi western 😅
An good observation! From an article on the ATP website published a year ago: Now the big question is, what makes Tsitsipas’ forehand so strong? Apostolos Tsitsipas compares his son’s forehand grip and motion to that of Juan Martin del Potro’s. And it’s no secret that the Argentine’s forehand is one of the best shots in all of tennis. “Generally when you have a classic Eastern forehand grip like Stefanos, his motion is closer to Del Potro, his grip is close to Del Potro. Del Potro also has a massive forehand, so it helps him because it’s a much cleaner stroke,” Apostolos said. “You don’t have to think so much how to prepare, you just swing. It’s a natural swing. When you let your arm swing naturally, it creates beautiful mechanics.” And Tsitsipas will hope those ‘beautiful mechanics’ translate to a beautiful performance on Saturday against Alex de Minaur, in the championship match of the Next Gen ATP Finals in Milan. www.atptour.com/en/news/tsitsipas-milan-2018-forehand-feature-atp
His heel pad is positioned for the eastern forehand grip but his index knuckle is between a semi-western and an eastern. He does hold the racket like a club though, no finger spreading.
only because you're used to seeing the whippy closed faced forehand swing that's commonly taught today. this is very reminiscent of flatter swings of pre-2000s players, which i argue could actually be more aggressive because they swing through the ball more
Isn’t he overstretched turning the the wrist inside out too much and dropping the racket head head so much basically tensing the upper arm and back i am not fully with it arc is great but it needs improvement coming from nobody lol
Can Tsitispas win Grand Slams in the future?
Yeah, he beat Djokovic and have big talent
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Absolutely. He just needs to fix the serve. That one is just broken considering his potential, but I absolutely love the forehand and his game IQ.
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Very clean stroke...He stays through the contact zone very nicely..
I see a lot of comments that his forehand is not good enough, but you never win 1000+ tournaments and reach the top 4 without a very very good forehand in this era. What I notice is that the racquet face is really consistent and stable around the contact zone. Doesn’t look like one of the most fluid and efficient in terms of generating power but maybe it’s his natural power what compensates the swing mechanism. What amazes me most is that his swing looks so flat but he’s shot is not. From my memory during the match against Nadal in the ATP Final his rpm was not far behind Nadal’s.
Unique style. Interesting how he starts the swing racket face down, then turns the wrist to bring the racket face on its side just before he takes the racket forward with the face down again.
The racquet is more aerodynamic when facing down, so he does that to increase the speed. Using a cover or a bag over the head of the racquet when swinging is a great way to feel that.
Love Tennis that is some really great footage. We’ve been wanting to do a short forehand analysis for Tsitsipas - would you be ok with use using a short clip of this video? We will obviously give you credit in any way you want. Thanks!
Unfortunately we do not allow this as our company Top Tennis Training has exclusive rights to all the footage
He did everything my coach said. Classical forehand without complicated style
Awesome footage. What camera were you using?
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actually his forehand style and long hair looks reminds me of bjorn borg sometimes.
I like his swing path. No complicate wrist flip actions throughout the swing. Keep it simple is the best. Also, he doesn’t use “snap” like other pros do. Maybe that’s why he’s able to placing the ball accurately pretty consistently.
Snap what do you mean
Agree so much
You mean wrist lag. he does but not so heavily
0:11 freezframe thats a big wrist lag
He's using a mixture of modern/traditional forehand, not the next gen whipping style. At least we know now he's never getting arm injured that way. Good for Stefanos!
What is next gen whipping style? You mean a western grip FH like Kyrgios, Khachanov and Sock? Just wondering about that term, because Nadal and Fed e.g. whip the ball heavily...
@@ntnnot I play tennis, I don't mean top spin. All pros have massive spin. it's just a sligtly different swing that some newer players do. They open up wider and sooner and then force the wrist lag a bit before contact by doing an extra cyclic move (the lag should be all natural). This adds a whipping effect to the ball (like a whiplash) but could eventually lead to a wrist damage, if you're not careful enough. Mine got hurt, so I dropped the technique and now it's restored
@@TMPOUZI Yeah I know you didn't mean top spin (I spoke about 'whipping' the ball). Meant that if you look at Fed's and especially Nadal's FH, the whipping effect from wrist lag and subsequent acceleration is heavy, resulting in solid racquet head speed. Is there a video that would illustrate this motion by the Nextgeners? (still don't really grasp the difference)
I see similarities with del potro, bautista agut, and de minaur, who all can hit very dangerous flat forehands.
You guys can say thick semi-western or thin eastern or hybrid whatever. It’s just his grip. Most of players don’t know what their grip is. And that’s the answer. Our structure of arm is different so make your own grip and swing by endless swing. Your body will let you know.
That's right, I still can't find my grip
It’s semi western grip but he swings it as if it’s eastern
Hybrid grip maybe?
Yeah I don't think it's full semi western. It's definitely more eastern than semi western. You can make out from the contact point, his palm is facing the oncoming ball unlike a sw where the palms will be facing upward.
Looks like eastern. But he appears to prepare serve return with at least semi western forehand grip.
There's no way that's a western grip.
Semi W for sure
Looks a bit like Rogers forehand - coversative grip and straight arm
Eastern grip and extended arm, Federer style for sure
Not at all..he has an "old school" grip. He almost can only hit flat forehand
More like Delpo
Please! Not at all! In fact it’s kind of ugly compared to Fed’s. He brings the racquet back on the table then opens the face on the edge with a weird looking wrist lag! He also isn’t as balanced as Fed! It works but it’s nowhere like Fed’s!!
beside the grip and stance his body is not pushing forward..federer has complete footwork stability making his moves easy even in ball recovery.
He whips like delpo
Some similarities for sure.
Although Del Potro is much more fluid IMO
@@LoveTennisOfficial I thought DP made that adjustment because of the wrist surgeries he had? These guys are such great athletes they can get away with big loop swings as well as being a bit late at times. The reflexes are off the charts.
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Kinda remindes me on Kafelnikov's forehand
True..very similar
Strange swing, but great example of kinetic chain .
Please don't change the video speed midway through the stroke.
Why's that Marian?
One of the best FH on tour
Top 5?
@@LoveTennisOfficial top 10 for sure
Out of the top 10 for sure😂
No doubt. Very accurate and powerful forehand. In terms of consistency and speed, his forehand is even better than Thiem. Not as heavy as Thiem though.
This is the best forehand in the next gen players. Many people said it looks awkward and forgot the fact that each player needs to build a forehand that suits their physical characteristics. Nadal would not be as good if he used Federer's forehand style. Federer also would not be as good if he used the Nadal's forehand style. Right now, among the young players, only Thiem is a match for Tsitsipas when comparing forehand's winners.
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I disagree. The best is just an opinion, not abject fact. I do agree that all the top tens forehands are suited to their style and physical nature. They all have their pros and cons as a player. Not a forehand. Technique matters yes, but ultimately at the end of the day it’s how the player uses it that truly matters.
@@pennygirl015 A tennis player's ability is a combination of different things such as shots (FH, BH, volley, smash, etc...), decision making, footwork, speed, endurance, and so on. To evaluate just the forehand, we must isolate it from other abilities of players. That means under the condition that all other characteristics are equal, which player has a higher chance of winning with just his forehand. If playing with just forehands, only players like Thiem, Beretini, Rublev can be a match with Tsisipas. Of course, best is a subjective word. Just say one of the best (top 5) would be more appropriate.
@@ngoduy3110 Do you mean those forehands are close in the terms of power, spin, technique, drive etc? Because that is my point, While Tsitsi’s forehand is very solid and consistent, it does not have the variety and spin that nadals does or the raw flat power of Rublev’s or the control and counterpunching ability of medvedev’s. You could compare forehands all day, but they all have their strengths and weaknesses. They all have one thing or another over each other. It really just depends on how the player is playing that day. (Of course speaking in terms of top 10.)
@@pennygirl015 Well, Nadal is a legend, he is not a next-gen player. Tsitsipas' forehand is on par with Thiem and Rublev. So comparing he with Rublev is ok. But Medvedev, no. Without his backhand, Medvedev will be destroyed in a forehand duel with Tsitsipas (or Thiem, Rublev, Beretini). While it is unclear when comparing one player to another, comparing forehand is very straightforward. As I said, just take every other things as equal, you should see which player has a better forehand. While different forehands have different strengths, one is clearly better than others. Stats also help. By the way, Tsitsipas' forehand is specialized in hitting spots in both sidelines with consistency and good pace.
Tough to be certain, but if you pause at 1:53 and play it at 0.25x speed, it does appear that he has a “soft” semi-Western with a swing path most comparable to Del Potro’s.
Perhaps less appealing than Roger’s, but if/when it eventually serves as one of his major weapons to win grand slams, that will become a moot point.
He takes it back forcibly and the racket face does not fall down as it should...This might lead him to elbow or shoulder injury in the future ...Currently he is young and elbow is taking the pressure I doubt it might do in future
I don't see how the its gonna take itself back quickly enough for fast balls without force
Big ballah I would say the uni turn and shoulder turn are fine ..It's what he does that matters ..If you look from the side as video shows the backward swing would better be a loop rather that he takes it back one step more than is necessary....If you notice Roger .s forehand swing its more of a loop and whole action looks smooth ...Tsitsipas does not look smooth enough .Even when compared to nadal this is my opinion..I guess his elbows must be real strong to take the pressure..He has a very good action whether it is enough is anybody s guess
Never noticed it looks so odd. He swings almost as if it's baseball. And I feel like he uses a "western way" of holding an eastern grip (or even neutral - like when you do volley) when hitting higher balls and "eastern way" of holding a western grip when hitting low balls, if that even make sense. I mean his hand looks like what people using an eastern grip would be, but the grip is turned into western, and vice versa. And I don't understand how he hits so consistently, looks like there's no index finger for leverage.
That’s exactly what i see. using eastern way with western grip when hitting high balls. other than that just simple follow swings(do not throw the racket to the front)with western grip.
this kind of forehand makes more simple and smaller swings than eastern. It gives more time to be ready for the next shot.
There is something about the whole thing
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Similar to Federer's forehand since they both use eastern.
All this debate about his grip. If you pause his backswing at a certain part, like at :27(right when the lady in the background is seen through his strings), you can see the base knuckle of his index finger. If the grip were Eastern, you wouldn't be able to because it would over the 3rd bevel. That knuckle is over the 4th bevel. That's Semi-Western. Debate over.
So shadow is pretty disguising but when u see carefully in light it's more eastern grip with knuckle of the index is right in bevel 3 border...yes it's not a complete eastern grip but 70% belongs to it and not semi western 😅
Watch closely after 2 minutes..it will more obvious than before
similar to Del Potro
Clearly eastern forehand grip
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This is eastern grip, imho.
Semi, but he hits it with a straight arm, so it looks like an eastern
@@agustingonzalez506 It is eastern, per his father/coach in this article www.atptour.com/en/news/tsitsipas-milan-2018-forehand-feature-atp
@@wilfredbastian5167 His father doesn't know much, it's definitely semi-western.
Textbook forehand.
almost like del potro
Similar grips for sure and very they both keep the strings facing the right side of the court. However, Del Potro's is more fluid IMO
@Andy - Yes for sure, Del Potro can really flatten them out on his normal waist to chest level contacts
An good observation! From an article on the ATP website published a year ago: Now the big question is, what makes Tsitsipas’ forehand so strong? Apostolos Tsitsipas compares his son’s forehand grip and motion to that of Juan Martin del Potro’s. And it’s no secret that the Argentine’s forehand is one of the best shots in all of tennis.
“Generally when you have a classic Eastern forehand grip like Stefanos, his motion is closer to Del Potro, his grip is close to Del Potro. Del Potro also has a massive forehand, so it helps him because it’s a much cleaner stroke,” Apostolos said. “You don’t have to think so much how to prepare, you just swing. It’s a natural swing. When you let your arm swing naturally, it creates beautiful mechanics.”
And Tsitsipas will hope those ‘beautiful mechanics’ translate to a beautiful performance on Saturday against Alex de Minaur, in the championship match of the Next Gen ATP Finals in Milan.
www.atptour.com/en/news/tsitsipas-milan-2018-forehand-feature-atp
I feel Tsitispas didn't put weight forward enough and hit the ball a little late
Great observation!
A little bit late as for me...
I'd say a bit too stiff for me, starts with his club like grip
Thats low to high
western grip look like eastern...
is it me or it looks really un-elegant?
Yes, looks a bit robotic. Very stiff, I believe it starts from his club-like grip. No finger separation and tight with his swing.
Love Tennis what kind of grip is that? looks like a weird kind of eastern
His heel pad is positioned for the eastern forehand grip but his index knuckle is between a semi-western and an eastern. He does hold the racket like a club though, no finger spreading.
It reminds me the Del Potro forehand
Great swing, but he seems slightly off balance🤔🤔
Weird forehand. It looks inconsistent and unnatural for me.
It doesn't matter..It works for him and that's all it matters pshhh
only because you're used to seeing the whippy closed faced forehand swing that's commonly taught today. this is very reminiscent of flatter swings of pre-2000s players, which i argue could actually be more aggressive because they swing through the ball more
Looks like a pretty flat forehand to me. Not a lot of spin. Amiright?
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LOOKS EASTERN CLASSIC then Wips into SEMI WESTERN !!!! WTF
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Flat ball
Imho it's ugly
Isn’t he overstretched turning the the wrist inside out too much and dropping the racket head head so much basically tensing the upper arm and back i am not fully with it arc is great but it needs improvement coming from nobody lol