I drove my Si round trip from Vegas to Houston and back. On the way to Houston(with the wind mostly at my back) I got around 40 MPG. On the way back to Vegas(with the wind mostly hitting the front) I got around 35 MPG. I get around 28 MPG in city driving.
Charlie, I am so glad they gave adults a chance to design this generation of Civic. The manual option in the Civic is laudable but less 'enthusiastic' commuters should be offered a 50+ mpg hybrid option.
@@DailyMotor Charlie, Honda needs to bite the bullet and admit the Hybrid system they developed cannot match the efficiency of Toyota's planetary gear system which is copied by Ford , Chrysler etc . Toyota sold around 580,000 Hybrids in the US of A last year. They would have sold many more if they could have made them faster. Honda sold only 107,000 hybrids. BTW I deliberately use a capital H for Toyota Hybrids and a lower case h for other brands ;-)
@@DailyMotor not true the new insight is much more engaging and sportier than the 2020 prius my 2010 is pretty sporty with 98 HP! haha but it handles like a champ
@@PhuPhillipTrinh agreed. Insight > all other hybrids. Better looking, better handling, just as efficient (slightly less than Prius eco and ioniq blue), and much quicker than all the rest as well. Not to mention no CVT. I’ll take 1-2 mpg (on paper) loss to have all of the above.
8:14 preach brother preach! I've got a 2019 Accord Sport MT, and when I run econ mode I get about 40 MPG on road trips. Long live the family sedan manual transmission!!!
I really like this new Si but hate how Honda cheaped out the US models vs the Canadian models with no turn signals in the side mirrors and no fog lights. Put those in the US model and this is an awesome buy for a fun daily driver.
just bought a 23' a month ago and I get 45mpg on my commute to work on average. its a 60 mile commute one way and its more downhill than uphill. my best is 49.1 over the commute
@@MichaelJordan-hn4zd no not terrible. Although I live in a warm weather environment. I have seen reviews saying it is stiff, up north ( eastern Canada). I put a tune on it and it is pretty quick and fun !
@@chriskarpes1070 thank you. I have to decide today. Also I am worried about going back to a stick because I have SI joint (hip) problems, but hopefully the clutch is not too hard to press down. Getting old. Hah
Just got my SI December 1st. Just over 2000 miles. Keeping it in normal mode on the highway got a maximum of 40.5 miles to gallon. At 65 to 75 miles per hour. If you believe the computer.??.
I might buy one of these in a few years once Honda puts back on the features they stripped out of it from the last gen and current Canadian version. I currently drive a 2011 Golf TDI that easily gets mid to high 40's for mpg, but isn't sporty. I could take mid to high 30's mpg for more sportiness.
Something important to note is that w/ a turbocharged car that requires premium fuel, cost per mile is a more important indicator than MPG. My civic Si gets 35mpg but on premium fuel which costs 15% more. My wifes 3.5L accord coupe with considerably more HP and torque gets 30mpg on 87 octane. Her car has a lower cost per mile than mine does. EPA guidelines foolishly prioritize MPG instead of cost per mile, and in the end the consumer ends up with a laggy turbo motor that has a smaller displacement and higher costs per mile.
your math does not add up. even if the fuel costs 15% more that means the si would have to get atleast 15% more fuel economy and it does, 15% more mpg from 30 is 34.5. Furthermore I just checked local 87 vs 93 and it was closed to 12% diff.
Not all turbo charged cars need premium. Vw jetta s, gli, or gti require only 87. Kia forte gt or Hyundai elantra n-line require 87. Manufactures didn't say all these cars require or recommend premium gas. Civic si and elaborate n requires 87 and also recommend premium gas.
@@fromisheon4867 all of the vehicles you listed detune the engine when low octane fuel is used. This results in lesser MPG, horsepower, torque, responsiveness, and can also cause a knock. The manufacturers aren't going to specify that premium fuel is required because they don't want it to be a barrier to sales. boosted car = premium fuel. period.
@Michael-li3id nah I have kia forte gt. It requires 87 octane. I put premium for 4 months. As a result, it did not gain power and improve mpg. Engineers are smarter than us. They know what they are doing, so when they told us to us 87 octane didn't mention nothing about the premium gas, premium gas is waste of money. The cars require both 87 or premium are programmed to run both fuel. You don't have to worry about knock problems. Boosted cars only need premium when engineers told you to do so. Read the owner's manual. I am a technician and also take automotive night classes. So please do not spread wrong information. Today's tech got much better than before. You can trust engineers.
I don't understand why can't civic builders "waste" 50 dollars worth of sound insulation products to make this car quite, they could add that 50 dollars to msrp and we would not even care as long as it quite
1.5 accord ex get around 42 MPG in any speed less than 70 MpH The 1.5 engine is making good power with high fuel efficiency This CVT Civic with smaller rims can easly do better than this
I get 27mpg literally beating the car up. 33mpg while driving shifting under 2500 rpms mixed city/ highway. On road-trips the car actually only gets like 35-36 mpg but that’s probably because I was driving 75-80mph
No, adaptive cruise works very well on this car, as does the lane keeping assist. I haven't driven the new WRX, but I would say this is one of the best FWD shifter feels. There is still too much rev hang for my taste, though.
@@DailyMotor I know this is a weird cross shop but it’s between this Si on red or a new Crosstrek manual, any thoughts on either one? Any other suggestions that you like more than those two? Elantra N Manual? Thanks again and appreciate your videos!
38 mpg is Hwy though. I was best I was able to get in my 2011 FA5 was 40.03 mpg on 99.9% Hwy. That was from Stockton California to Minot North Dakota averaging 60 mph.
Good old SE Michigan… I stopped going to that gas station…. it’s too pricy for me lol. Love the Si though…. it’s good to know that It’ll get decent fuel economy.
If I remember correctly, click on the clock. Somewhere in the settings there's an option for the whole screen clock. I have an infotainment review coming on the civic here soon that says how.
I prefer my 10th gen 2018 Civic EXT, CVT. After four years and 121,300 miles it’s averaging 34.1 mpg (combined city/highway). I test drove the 2022 Civic and when compared to my 2018, I found this new 11th gen offered less value. It has a smaller trunk, smaller glove compartment, smaller armrest, no extra large cup holder, one less USB port, no side view camera. The ride felt surprisingly sluggish compared to my 2018 1.5 liter, turbo with 174hp and 162 lb/ft torque. The interior may be prettier and “refined” over the 10th gen, but it’s more form over function. The infotainment system now juts out over the dash preventing dash mounts for smartphones. The honeycomb vents prevent clip on mounts. The exterior looks like a baby Accord and lacks distinction.
How do i dampen the noise on a civic and reduce the bobbling of car? I'm getting the michelline premier tires, those are super quiet. Anything else I can do ?.... i remember i had done this to my old civic 2009, after swapping to michelline tires and it didn't shake anymore, and it became quieter. maybe the default tires from factory are trash? I'm gonna see if the 2009 reviews from back in the day had the same complaints.
@@DailyMotor yay thanks for the reply. I ordered the 2022 230i in Purple 41k but with the black m sport trim its a good deal for a coupe and BMW. Great review about it I watched that one too.
8:09 the reason more people don't choose cars like that is because it's brand new in a global shortage environment. They're very difficult to find, and even if you do find one that's not already purchased before it arrives at a dealership, they're being marked up $5,000 some places. At $33-34k after taxes, you're getting ripped off. But the market has decided this is ok right now, and apparently, so have the consumers. To put into perspective, a couple months before the pandemic, a focus st could be had brand new for 25-26k. And I bought an Elantra sport turbo, literally almost exact same specs as this civic SI, for $13k with 19,000 miles on it. $30k+ for a glorified grocery getter with a 1.5L engine is ABSURD! Even if it's fun to drive. I will say that it's very impressive to get 38mpg from a gasoline engine with over 200hp, but still not worth the price.
At 72mph, i get 41mpg with this car.. once the warranty is up I'll tune it for another 30hp and it will be my daily until it explodes. Love this car
I drove my Si round trip from Vegas to Houston and back. On the way to Houston(with the wind mostly at my back) I got around 40 MPG. On the way back to Vegas(with the wind mostly hitting the front) I got around 35 MPG.
I get around 28 MPG in city driving.
what gen si do you have?
@@bustysubwaysandy9644 2017 10th Gen Si. I got it at a salvage auction for cheap.
Dang I get 28mpg on average with my 2015 Si with mostly highway driving.
@@mistamaog Don't feel bad I bet if you took a road trip you'd get 35-40.
which fuel grade did you use?
Nice redesign of the Civic Si. Too bad dealers are price gouging customers, they want thousands of dollars over MSRP if you want one.
Where do you live. Maybe try dealers not in your area.
there 1 dealer arround here charging almost 10k after msrp
I got mine for right at 30k
Stealership
We got ours for msrp after they added a 1500 "pro pack"
Charlie, I am so glad they gave adults a chance to design this generation of Civic. The manual option in the Civic is laudable but less 'enthusiastic' commuters should be offered a 50+ mpg hybrid option.
Agreed. But the Honda hybrids have never wowed me like Toyota hybrids.
@@DailyMotor Charlie, Honda needs to bite the bullet and admit the Hybrid system they developed cannot match the efficiency of Toyota's planetary gear system which is copied by Ford , Chrysler etc . Toyota sold around 580,000 Hybrids in the US of A last year. They would have sold many more if they could have made them faster. Honda sold only 107,000 hybrids. BTW I deliberately use a capital H for Toyota Hybrids and a lower case h for other brands ;-)
@@rightlanehog3151 It's not "copied," it's patented. Ford has to pay Toyota to use it.
@@DailyMotor not true the new insight is much more engaging and sportier than the 2020 prius my 2010 is pretty sporty with 98 HP! haha but it handles like a champ
@@PhuPhillipTrinh agreed. Insight > all other hybrids. Better looking, better handling, just as efficient (slightly less than Prius eco and ioniq blue), and much quicker than all the rest as well. Not to mention no CVT. I’ll take 1-2 mpg (on paper) loss to have all of the above.
8:14 preach brother preach! I've got a 2019 Accord Sport MT, and when I run econ mode I get about 40 MPG on road trips. Long live the family sedan manual transmission!!!
I went on a 200 mile one way trip in my 2022 Si and I would say my average mph was 90 I got 30mpg, yes I emptied my tank quick af.
considering at 90mph you're probably revving at 4800 that's pretty good 😂
I really like this new Si but hate how Honda cheaped out the US models vs the Canadian models with no turn signals in the side mirrors and no fog lights. Put those in the US model and this is an awesome buy for a fun daily driver.
just bought a 23' a month ago and I get 45mpg on my commute to work on average. its a 60 mile commute one way and its more downhill than uphill. my best is 49.1 over the commute
This will be great if I can ever get mine delivered. Come on Honda.
Worth the wait. Amazing daily just be careful on all the plastics on the interior they scratch extremely easily.
Bro it will come! We ordered ours in November and if came last week!
@@chriskarpes1070 yeah their saying mid February for final build date now
We just got ours and we love it.
Is it overly bumpy for old drivers?
@@MichaelJordan-hn4zd no not terrible. Although I live in a warm weather environment. I have seen reviews saying it is stiff, up north ( eastern Canada). I put a tune on it and it is pretty quick and fun !
@@chriskarpes1070 thank you. I have to decide today. Also I am worried about going back to a stick because I have SI joint (hip) problems, but hopefully the clutch is not too hard to press down. Getting old. Hah
@@MichaelJordan-hn4zd no the clutch is really easy to use with little PSI needed. It's all at the top
Just got my SI December 1st. Just over 2000 miles. Keeping it in normal mode on the highway got a maximum of 40.5 miles to gallon. At 65 to 75 miles per hour. If you believe the computer.??.
I might buy one of these in a few years once Honda puts back on the features they stripped out of it from the last gen and current Canadian version. I currently drive a 2011 Golf TDI that easily gets mid to high 40's for mpg, but isn't sporty. I could take mid to high 30's mpg for more sportiness.
That's probably not gonna happen because Honda is trying to help Acura sell the new upcoming integra.
Love this channel
Si needs a 7th gear for the highway. That’s across last three Si generations.
We are overdue for an 8 speed manual from somebody.
Something important to note is that w/ a turbocharged car that requires premium fuel, cost per mile is a more important indicator than MPG.
My civic Si gets 35mpg but on premium fuel which costs 15% more.
My wifes 3.5L accord coupe with considerably more HP and torque gets 30mpg on 87 octane.
Her car has a lower cost per mile than mine does.
EPA guidelines foolishly prioritize MPG instead of cost per mile, and in the end the consumer ends up with a laggy turbo motor that has a smaller displacement and higher costs per mile.
your math does not add up. even if the fuel costs 15% more that means the si would have to get atleast 15% more fuel economy and it does, 15% more mpg from 30 is 34.5. Furthermore I just checked local 87 vs 93 and it was closed to 12% diff.
Not all turbo charged cars need premium. Vw jetta s, gli, or gti require only 87. Kia forte gt or Hyundai elantra n-line require 87. Manufactures didn't say all these cars require or recommend premium gas. Civic si and elaborate n requires 87 and also recommend premium gas.
@@fromisheon4867 all of the vehicles you listed detune the engine when low octane fuel is used. This results in lesser MPG, horsepower, torque, responsiveness, and can also cause a knock.
The manufacturers aren't going to specify that premium fuel is required because they don't want it to be a barrier to sales.
boosted car = premium fuel. period.
@Michael-li3id nah I have kia forte gt. It requires 87 octane. I put premium for 4 months. As a result, it did not gain power and improve mpg. Engineers are smarter than us. They know what they are doing, so when they told us to us 87 octane didn't mention nothing about the premium gas, premium gas is waste of money. The cars require both 87 or premium are programmed to run both fuel. You don't have to worry about knock problems. Boosted cars only need premium when engineers told you to do so. Read the owner's manual. I am a technician and also take automotive night classes. So please do not spread wrong information. Today's tech got much better than before. You can trust engineers.
@@fromisheon4867 Not spreading wrong info. It's a more complicated answer than black or white.
I like the car,but I feel like the seats and steering wheel are missing something.
Oh so 87 octane minimum is perfectly fine? Won’t break the car?
no
For MPG, I get 40 Hwy, 36 combined & 32 City on my 2022 SI
I don't understand why can't civic builders "waste" 50 dollars worth of sound insulation products to make this car quite, they could add that 50 dollars to msrp and we would not even care as long as it quite
Great car if your looking for no hp oil dilution engine internals braking at low mileage etc etc 😢
looks like a bumpy ride
If it had a 7th fear the mpg would be greater on the highway. If If altima with more power can get 42mpg I bet this could do that
1.5 accord ex get around 42 MPG in any speed less than 70 MpH
The 1.5 engine is making good power with high fuel efficiency
This CVT Civic with smaller rims can easly do better than this
The real question is, does it require premium fuel?
I get 27mpg literally beating the car up. 33mpg while driving shifting under 2500 rpms mixed city/ highway. On road-trips the car actually only gets like 35-36 mpg but that’s probably because I was driving 75-80mph
That’s on 89 octane I’ve tested 91-93 I don’t see much of a difference at all on MPG.
Did you have any issues with adaptive cruise on this model? How does shifter/transmission feel compared to an STI or WRX? Thanks!
No, adaptive cruise works very well on this car, as does the lane keeping assist. I haven't driven the new WRX, but I would say this is one of the best FWD shifter feels. There is still too much rev hang for my taste, though.
@@DailyMotor I know this is a weird cross shop but it’s between this Si on red or a new Crosstrek manual, any thoughts on either one? Any other suggestions that you like more than those two? Elantra N Manual? Thanks again and appreciate your videos!
Damn, 38mpg!! My '09 Si driven nice & easy only gets 28mpg.
I, too, have an 09 SI and I am very tired of my lackluster mpg.
I got an 08, I think the K20 is still more exciting to drive though.
38 mpg is Hwy though.
I was best I was able to get in my 2011 FA5 was 40.03 mpg on 99.9% Hwy. That was from Stockton California to Minot North Dakota averaging 60 mph.
Good old SE Michigan… I stopped going to that gas station…. it’s too pricy for me lol. Love the Si though…. it’s good to know that It’ll get decent fuel economy.
I totally agree. Unfortunately we’re yet to find a nearby station that is large enough to use the same pump each time and close to the highway :/
2:44 isn't there an Econ mode?
Eco mode? No, there is not.
I was almost sold on getting an SI but if I gotta spend extra money on premium fuel forget it
Civic Sport Touring hatchback is 6MT with regular fuel, and we just measured 42 on the highway with it!
crazy my 22 GTI with the 7 speed DSG gets the same mpg with 40 more wheel hp
If they made a hatch version they’d sell like hot cakes! The rear end of this thing is hard to look at.
Did you put 87 or premium?
Please test the new tundra to compare with ford ecoboost
There are none on dealer lots.
I was gonna get a si until I saw how much it was marked up 36,000
Why does the epa do it at 48 mph? It should be at least 60-70mph
how did you make sure screen just a clock rather than all the apps?
If I remember correctly, click on the clock. Somewhere in the settings there's an option for the whole screen clock. I have an infotainment review coming on the civic here soon that says how.
Yeah but how much is your insurance?
Does insurance go up - I’m coming from an Accord
It went up 15 a month from a 2015 base civic
when I switched for a 2015 civic to a 2013 si, my insurance only went up like $10 or something
I prefer my 10th gen 2018 Civic EXT, CVT.
After four years and 121,300 miles it’s averaging 34.1 mpg (combined city/highway).
I test drove the 2022 Civic and when compared to my 2018, I found this new 11th gen offered less value.
It has a smaller trunk, smaller glove compartment, smaller armrest, no extra large cup holder, one less USB port, no side view camera. The ride felt surprisingly sluggish compared to my 2018 1.5 liter, turbo with 174hp and 162 lb/ft torque. The interior may be prettier and “refined” over the 10th gen, but it’s more form over function. The infotainment system now juts out over the dash preventing dash mounts for smartphones. The honeycomb vents prevent clip on mounts. The exterior looks like a baby Accord and lacks distinction.
Can you do a 4cyl Camaro?
Did you use premium here? I was wondering if i use midgrade am i gonna get the same mpg?
That's what I want to know. Should I use premium??? Or....
I would not choose this unless it was a hatchback
can you do 100 % city driving . i only do city driving
How do i dampen the noise on a civic and reduce the bobbling of car? I'm getting the michelline premier tires, those are super quiet. Anything else I can do ?.... i remember i had done this to my old civic 2009, after swapping to michelline tires and it didn't shake anymore, and it became quieter. maybe the default tires from factory are trash? I'm gonna see if the 2009 reviews from back in the day had the same complaints.
The 22 Civic SI has like 60% stiffer suspension than the normal civics I think, it's probably not as much of a problem for the more normal trims
Bobbling?
is this just as fast as the 2022 230i?
No. 230i is faster.
@@DailyMotor yay thanks for the reply. I ordered the 2022 230i in Purple 41k but with the black m sport trim its a good deal for a coupe and BMW. Great review about it I watched that one too.
What happened to the total range portion of the video?
Oops, must have forgotten! 480 miles.
2b1c!? What's up Jean!?
i thought 70 mpg wtf on Si lol
in michigan huh? i hate i94
8:09 the reason more people don't choose cars like that is because it's brand new in a global shortage environment. They're very difficult to find, and even if you do find one that's not already purchased before it arrives at a dealership, they're being marked up $5,000 some places. At $33-34k after taxes, you're getting ripped off. But the market has decided this is ok right now, and apparently, so have the consumers.
To put into perspective, a couple months before the pandemic, a focus st could be had brand new for 25-26k. And I bought an Elantra sport turbo, literally almost exact same specs as this civic SI, for $13k with 19,000 miles on it. $30k+ for a glorified grocery getter with a 1.5L engine is ABSURD! Even if it's fun to drive.
I will say that it's very impressive to get 38mpg from a gasoline engine with over 200hp, but still not worth the price.
$40,000 car that doesn’t even have lumbar support