Golden Era: Ramon Dekkers vs Superlek Sor.Esarn

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  • @briansounalath
    @briansounalath Před 4 lety +9

    Dekker resilient as hell but he didn’t get much traction past first couple rounds. Lek didn’t looked phased at all and blocked all his attempts. Well done Lek. Untouchable.

  • @roxybailey6302
    @roxybailey6302 Před 7 lety +21

    i was in Bangkok teaching english at the time this is 1991!, on the bus the next day even the office girls are talking about a blue eyed blonde haired farang. Changed may thai forever.

    • @SWD3104725
      @SWD3104725 Před 6 lety +1

      You mean beaten by 'the referee and the judges' ... just like in this fight ...

    • @pkamper99
      @pkamper99 Před 6 lety

      Probably white privilege again.lol

    • @kabukicho3009
      @kabukicho3009 Před 5 lety +4

      Ramin dekkers didnt change anything stupid.

    • @briansounalath
      @briansounalath Před 4 lety

      Roxy Bailey moo*

    • @randomerror9868
      @randomerror9868 Před 4 lety

      @@Mahdi_Molla case in point, well said.

  • @EVEROSFP1
    @EVEROSFP1 Před rokem +3

    The level of the toughness in this fight is out of this world!

  • @user-wx2gw6pc9s
    @user-wx2gw6pc9s Před měsícem +1

    RIP. both. great. Fighter

  • @bp-my3wb
    @bp-my3wb Před 11 měsíci +4

    Superlek came from a lower weight class and was very much smaller than Dekker. He really had a heart of a lion to stand toe to toe and exchange punches with the hard punching Dekker.

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 8 měsíci

      bp
      Superlek best weight was 118-122 lbs at that time and yet during this fight he moved to 135 lbs and fought Dekkers who was at 138 lbs.
      This was the second fight meanwhile Dekkers won the first fight and Superlek win the third fight.

    • @bp-my3wb
      @bp-my3wb Před 8 měsíci

      Thanks for the info.@@8limbedwarriornakmuay175

  • @a.wilson7376
    @a.wilson7376 Před 9 lety +1

    Very entertaining & inspirational!

  • @briansounalath
    @briansounalath Před 4 lety +6

    Dekker resilient as hell but not many hits phased Lek past the first couple rounds.

  • @dale7238
    @dale7238 Před rokem

    Two of the greatest of all time

  • @silverash63
    @silverash63 Před 2 lety +3

    This fight was just after he fought numphon the 2nd time in Thailand, the 2nd time he fought in lumpinee stadium

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety +1

      Silverash
      The best weigh of Superlek at that time was 118-122 lbs, 24 days before his fight against Dekkers Superlek beat the all time great Wangchannoi Sor Palangchai and yet in this fight against Dekkers he went 13 to 17 pounds up in order to make it to 135 lbs and fight Dekkers who was 138 lbs all of that in only 24 days after a tough win over an all time great.
      The fight between Superlek and Wangchannoi 24 days earlier was most likely between 118 to 122 pounds.
      After all Wangchannoi and Superlek did fight twice for the 122 lbs Lumpini title so the non-title fight between them 24 days prior to Superlek vs Dekkers was most likely between 118 to 122 lbs.
      So after his win against Wangchannoi, Superlek 24 days after went from 118-122 lbs to all the way to 135 lbs and fight Dekkers was who 138 lbs.
      Superlek in only 24 days after one of his greatest win moved 13 to 17 lbs up from his best weighclass which was 118-122 lbs and fought Dekkers who was at 138 lbs so Dekkers was 16-20 lbs above Superlek best weigh.
      And still Superlek beat Dekkers and won round 2-3-4-5.
      That's probably the greatest win for a Thai fighter against a foreigner in history considering Superlek just got his biggest win 24 days ago and in 24 days Superlek went from 118-122 lbs to 135 lbs and beat a peak Dekkers who was 138 lbs.
      Superlek in only 24 days after one of his biggest win bloated 13-17 pounds up and beat Dekkers at Dekkers best weigh at the time ( 138 lbs ) which was was 16-20 lbs bigger than Superlek best weigh at the time ( 118-123 lbs ).

    • @hong10ly70
      @hong10ly70 Před rokem +1

      @@8limbedwarriornakmuay175 i really want to see their 2 others fights.

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před rokem +1

      @@hong10ly70 Me too.

  • @ziggymorris8760
    @ziggymorris8760 Před 2 lety +3

    Dekkers had no fear, just forward, forward, forward.

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety

      ziggy morris
      The best weigh of Superlek at that time was 118-122 lbs, 24 days before his fight against Dekkers Superlek beat the all time great Wangchannoi Sor Palangchai and yet in this fight against Dekkers he went 13 to 17 pounds up in order to make it to 135 lbs and fight Dekkers who was 138 lbs all of that in only 24 days after a tough win over an all time great.
      The fight between Superlek and Wangchannoi 24 days earlier was most likely between 118 to 122 pounds.
      After all Wangchannoi and Superlek did fight twice for the 122 lbs Lumpini title so the non-title fight between them 24 days prior to Superlek vs Dekkers was most likely between 118 to 122 lbs.
      So after his win against Wangchannoi, Superlek 24 days after went from 118-122 lbs to all the way to 135 lbs and fight Dekkers was who 138 lbs.
      Superlek in only 24 days after one of his greatest win moved 13 to 17 lbs up from his best weighclass which was 118-122 lbs and fought Dekkers who was at 138 lbs so Dekkers was 16-20 lbs above Superlek best weigh.
      And still Superlek beat Dekkers and won round 2-3-4-5.
      That's probably the greatest win for a Thai fighter against a foreigner in history considering Superlek just got his biggest win 24 days ago and in 24 days Superlek went from 118-122 lbs to 135 lbs and beat a peak Dekkers who was 138 lbs.
      Superlek in only 24 days after one of his biggest win bloated 13-17 pounds up and beat Dekkers at Dekkers best weigh at the time ( 138 lbs ) which was was 16-20 lbs bigger than Superlek best weigh at the time ( 118-123 lbs ).

    • @badz4855
      @badz4855 Před 9 měsíci

      @@8limbedwarriornakmuay175Bro get a life. All you do is hate on dekkers in every video of him. Are you that salty that a westerner came to thailand and fucked up so many of them ? He’s loved in Thailand and globally so what you say won’t matter. Go back to your cave now, fool.

  • @randomerror9868
    @randomerror9868 Před 4 lety +3

    RIP Superlek

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety +1

      Random Error
      The best weigh of Superlek at that time was 118-122 lbs, 24 days before his fight against Dekkers Superlek beat the all time great Wangchannoi Sor Palangchai and yet in this fight against Dekkers he went 13 to 17 pounds up in order to make it to 135 lbs and fight Dekkers who was 138 lbs all of that in only 24 days after a tough win over an all time great.
      The fight between Superlek and Wangchannoi 24 days earlier was most likely between 118 to 122 pounds.
      After all Wangchannoi and Superlek did fight twice for the 122 lbs Lumpini title so the non-title fight between them 24 days prior to Superlek vs Dekkers was most likely between 118 to 122 lbs.
      So after his win against Wangchannoi, Superlek 24 days after went from 118-122 lbs to all the way to 135 lbs and fight Dekkers was who 138 lbs.
      Superlek in only 24 days after one of his greatest win moved 13 to 17 lbs up from his best weighclass which was 118-122 lbs and fought Dekkers who was at 138 lbs so Dekkers was 16-20 lbs above Superlek best weigh.
      And still Superlek beat Dekkers and won round 2-3-4-5.
      That's probably the greatest win for a Thai fighter against a foreigner in history considering Superlek just got his biggest win 24 days ago and in 24 days Superlek went from 118-122 lbs to 135 lbs and beat a peak Dekkers who was 138 lbs.
      Superlek in only 24 days after one of his biggest win bloated 13-17 pounds up and beat Dekkers at Dekkers best weigh at the time ( 138 lbs ) which was was 16-20 lbs bigger than Superlek best weigh at the time ( 118-123 lbs ).

  • @tarnsebastiandodd8970
    @tarnsebastiandodd8970 Před měsícem +1

    ref saved superleks ass at the end of round 1, ramon was robbed he won 1 and 100% won 2 he got 2 knockdwons 5 min in, he rocked him like 5 times at that point lost round 3 lost round 4 round 5 was super close . it could've gone either way so not a robbbery

  • @peterlawrence7851
    @peterlawrence7851 Před rokem

    God damn

  • @contactinspect
    @contactinspect Před 4 lety +4

    the best ever...RIP Mr Dekker

    • @mrbrowneyes74
      @mrbrowneyes74 Před 3 lety

      A boy across from him ,and he was defeated

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety +4

      @@mrbrowneyes74
      Superlek was a natural 118-122 pounds Nak Muay but for this fight they made Superlek go all the way to 135 pounds while Dekkers weighed at 138 pounds.
      Dekkers at 138 pounds at the time was his natural/best weigh and yet he lost to Superlek who went up 13 to 17 pounds past his natural/best weighclass of 118-122 pounds and still Dekkers weighted 3 pounds more than him for this fight : 138 against 135 pounds despite Superlek not having any business fighting at 135 lbs ( he was a top tier Nak Muay at 118-122 pounds not at 135 pounds ) and yet he beat up Dekkers in round 2/3/4/5 wasn't even close ( only round 2 was kinda close ).
      Dekkers have those kinds of weigh advantage against nearly all of his Thai opponents.
      And funniest thing is that Dekkers still lost to 75% of his Thai opponents.

    • @owenwright4927
      @owenwright4927 Před 8 měsíci

      @@8limbedwarriornakmuay175looks like you’ve failed to do your research Dekkers natural weight was Welterweight hence the weight cuts he had were tough also that may of been how he died from a heart attack as weight cuts have a link to heart issues

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 8 měsíci

      @@owenwright4927 He wasn't a welterweight at the time of fighting Superlek.
      You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 8 měsíci

      @@owenwright4927 He died of heart attack because of PEDs.

  • @jdkkjdkk9104
    @jdkkjdkk9104 Před 2 lety +1

    Big weight difference

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety

      JDKK JDKK
      The best weigh of Superlek at that time was 118-122 lbs, 24 days before his fight against Dekkers Superlek beat the all time great Wangchannoi Sor Palangchai and yet in this fight against Dekkers he went 13 to 17 pounds up in order to make it to 135 lbs and fight Dekkers who was 138 lbs all of that in only 24 days after a tough win over an all time great.
      The fight between Superlek and Wangchannoi 24 days earlier was most likely between 118 to 122 pounds.
      After all Wangchannoi and Superlek did fight twice for the 122 lbs Lumpini title so the non-title fight between them 24 days prior to Superlek vs Dekkers was most likely between 118 to 122 lbs.
      So after his win against Wangchannoi, Superlek 24 days after went from 118-122 lbs to all the way to 135 lbs and fight Dekkers was who 138 lbs.
      Superlek in only 24 days after one of his greatest win moved 13 to 17 lbs up from his best weighclass which was 118-122 lbs and fought Dekkers who was at 138 lbs so Dekkers was 16-20 lbs above Superlek best weigh.
      And still Superlek beat Dekkers and won round 2-3-4-5.
      That's probably the greatest win for a Thai fighter against a foreigner in history considering Superlek just got his biggest win 24 days ago and in 24 days Superlek went from 118-122 lbs to 135 lbs and beat a peak Dekkers who was 138 lbs.
      Superlek in only 24 days after one of his biggest win bloated 13-17 pounds up and beat Dekkers at Dekkers best weigh at the time ( 138 lbs ) which was was 16-20 lbs bigger than Superlek best weigh at the time ( 118-123 lbs ).

  • @suciodan5817
    @suciodan5817 Před 7 lety +4

    were the same weight???? ramon looks bigger

    • @lennoxforeman601
      @lennoxforeman601 Před 7 lety +1

      sucio dan only a kilo or two at most between them.

    • @Mahdi_Molla
      @Mahdi_Molla Před 6 lety +2

      killer life He definitely is the bigger man and not by a couple kilos. Maybe at the time of making weight, but Dekkers has the bigger frame which definitely helps.

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety +1

      @@lennoxforeman601 This fight was 135 lbs for Superlek Sorn Esarn while Ramon Dekkers was 138 lbs .

    • @lennoxforeman601
      @lennoxforeman601 Před 2 lety +1

      @@8limbedwarriornakmuay175 so only half a kilo between them 🙄 its probably one of those lies that just grows and grows. Ive heard ppl say their was 4 and even 5 kilos in dekkers favour! I knew by looking at them it was more like a kilo. Thanks man ☮️

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety

      @@lennoxforeman601 Only a 3 pounds of difference in this fight .
      Doesn't mean other fight were the same .

  • @cheyang9042
    @cheyang9042 Před rokem

    he look just like his son paedsonlek

  • @briansounalath
    @briansounalath Před 4 lety +1

    The ref wants SuperNoi to win

  • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
    @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety +3

    Damien Trainor
    At the time of this fight Superlek Sorn Esarn was a natural top tier 118-122 pounds Nak Muay ( Junior Featherweight ) but for this fight they made Superlek go all the way up to 135 pounds while Ramon Dekkers weighed at 138 pounds which was at the time his natural/best weight ( Junior Welterweight ).
    Meaning Superlek went up 3 weighclass : Featherweight ( 122-126 lbs ) , Junior Lightweight ( 126-130 lbs ) and Lightweight ( 130-135 lbs ) in order to fight Dekkers at Junior Welterweight ( 135-140 lbs ) that's why this fight was Superlek weighing at 135 lbs and Dekkers at 138 lbs ( within the Junior Welterweight limit ).
    Dekkers at 138 pounds at the time was at his natural/best weight and yet he lost to Superlek who went up or was bloated up 13 lbs to 17 lbs past his natural/best weighclass of 118-122 pounds ( Junior Featherweight ) and still Dekkers weighed 3 pounds more than him for this fight : 138 lbs Dekkers against 135 lbs Superlek despite Superlek not having any business fighting at 135 lbs ( he was a top tier Nak Muay at 118-122 pounds not at 135-140 pounds ) and yet he beat up Dekkers for 80% of this fight and in round 2/3/4/5 it wasn't even close.
    Dekkers have those weigh advantages against nearly all of his Thai opponents.
    And the funniest thing is that Dekkers still lost to 75% of his Thai opponents ( 11-29-1-1 that's Dekkers true record against Thai fighters ).
    Superlek was naturally 5,8 to 7,7 KG ( 13 to 17 lbs ) smaller than Dekkers and yet Superlek beat him up despite Dekkers being 1,3 KG ( 3 lbs ) bigger than him at the weigh-in ( 138 vs 135 lbs ).
    Imagine terribly losing to a 118-122 pounders while being a 138 pounders and then have Westerners saying you are great ? LOL

    • @laverguenza462
      @laverguenza462 Před 2 lety

      Muay thai nerds are the fucking worst

    • @uzelon3888
      @uzelon3888 Před 2 lety +1

      3 pounds is not a great advantage and your commentary looks so hater about westerns. Is pitiful. Dekkers fight in the same conditions in equal power against big thai champions and if he lost most of the times is because thai judges prefer his thai champions win the match. So fair, don't see you? Large your commentary for say nothing relevant

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety

      @@uzelon3888 He lose most of the time because he not good.
      Stop being a fanboy of Dekkers.
      You don't know how to score a fight 🤣😂.
      Dekkers lose because he deserve to lose not because Thai judges robbed him.

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety

      @@uzelon3888 3 lbs ? 🤣😂
      It was more like 16-20 lbs, you're clueless.
      Stop worshipping Dekkers who was a joke.
      The best weigh of Superlek at that time was 118-122 lbs, 24 days before his fight against Dekkers Superlek beat the all time great Wangchannoi Sor Palangchai and yet in this fight against Dekkers he went 13 to 17 pounds up in order to make it to 135 lbs and fight Dekkers who was 138 lbs all of that in only 24 days after a tough win over an all time great.
      The fight between Superlek and Wangchannoi 24 days earlier was most likely between 118 to 122 pounds.
      After all Wangchannoi and Superlek did fight twice for the 122 lbs Lumpini title so the non-title fight between them 24 days prior to Superlek vs Dekkers was most likely between 118 to 122 lbs.
      So after his win against Wangchannoi, Superlek 24 days after went from 118-122 lbs to all the way to 135 lbs and fight Dekkers was who 138 lbs.
      Superlek in only 24 days after one of his greatest win moved 13 to 17 lbs up from his best weighclass which was 118-122 lbs and fought Dekkers who was at 138 lbs so Dekkers was 16-20 lbs above Superlek best weigh.
      And still Superlek beat Dekkers and won round 2-3-4-5.
      That's probably the greatest win for a Thai fighter against a foreigner in history considering Superlek just got his biggest win 24 days ago and in 24 days Superlek went from 118-122 lbs to 135 lbs and beat a peak Dekkers who was 138 lbs.
      Superlek in only 24 days after one of his biggest win bloated 13-17 pounds up and beat Dekkers at Dekkers best weigh at the time ( 138 lbs ) which was was 16-20 lbs bigger than Superlek best weigh at the time ( 118-123 lbs ).
      You clearly don't know anything.

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety

      @@uzelon3888 Dekkers lose 19 fights in Thailand and lose 12 fights outside of Thailand against Thai fighters.
      Dekkers lose 19 times in Thailand, 3 times in Germany, 3 times in France, twice in Japan, twice in Holland, once in Morocco and once in Macau.
      Dekkers was a joke. He took so much steroids that his heart imploded in his 50s 🤣😂.

  • @foritm855
    @foritm855 Před rokem

    Superlek size is too small. Dekker size is European. Not balance

  • @user-zd7qb5gj8u
    @user-zd7qb5gj8u Před 3 lety

    มีเทปชุปเป อเล็กไหมไม่เห็นกลัวเดกเก อชนะเฉย

  • @pedrorivera8255
    @pedrorivera8255 Před 4 lety +6

    As a foreigner you must ko the local fighter to win. Especially when you compete in their native combat sport!!!

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety

      Pedro Rivera
      Superlek was a natural 118-122 pounds Nak Muay but for this fight they made Superlek go all the way to 135 pounds while Dekkers weighed at 138 pounds.
      Dekkers at 138 pounds at the time was his natural/best weigh and yet he lost to Superlek who went up 13 to 17 pounds past his natural/best weighclass of 118-122 pounds and still Dekkers weighted 3 pounds more than him for this fight : 138 against 135 pounds despite Superlek not having any business fighting at 135 lbs ( he was a top tier Nak Muay at 118-122 pounds not at 135 pounds ) and yet he beat up Dekkers in round 2/3/4/5 wasn't even close ( only round 2 was kinda close ).
      Dekkers have those kinds of weigh advantage against nearly all of his Thai opponents.
      And funniest thing is that Dekkers still lost to 75% of his Thai opponents.
      Superlek was naturally 5,8 to 7,7 KG ( 13 to 17 lbs ) smaller than Dekkers and still Dekkers was 1,3 KG ( 3 lbs ) bigger than him at the weigh-in.

  • @uzelon3888
    @uzelon3888 Před 2 lety

    14:07 superlek kicks dekkers on the floor. What a son of b....

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay175
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay175 Před 2 lety +1

      Uze Lon
      Dekkers is the son of b...
      Dekkers made Superlek go from 118-122 to 135 lbs in only 24 days after Superlek win against Wangchannoi and Dekkers was 138 lbs.
      Dekkers have tons of steroids and still he lose to a 118 pounders 🤣😂.
      Dekkers was the son of a B...

    • @8limbedwarriornakmuay504
      @8limbedwarriornakmuay504 Před rokem

      Uze Lon
      Dekkers got destroyed like an ant by a 118-122 pounders lmao.

    • @uzelon3888
      @uzelon3888 Před rokem

      Yeah, always making favors to the locals. Ignorant bit...ch

  • @shemhutson4459
    @shemhutson4459 Před 7 lety +20

    Disgusting! Fight should have been over in first round when the thai fighter was knocked out and didn't know where he was. Instead, the biased referee did an entire count without once looking at the fighter to see if he was fit to continue. The entire count he was looking to ringside to cue him to allow it to continue even though the fighter never lifted his gloves back up to signal he could continue. Follow up by holding Dekkers back with excessive towel wiping to give the thai extra time to recoup and break Dekkers momentum. Dekker is a lion to have thrived as a fighter during this "golden era". If there was even remotely close to fair circumstances he would have been unbeatable.

    • @ketchuplad157
      @ketchuplad157 Před 6 lety +4

      Shem Hutson
      True, and after that ramon did have him pretty punch drunk, just eating punches. But superlek did get a lot of sweeps and nock downs on ramon. Still seems biased

    • @starcraftian5144
      @starcraftian5144 Před 6 lety +12

      Lol. Mate, that "Excessive Towel Wiping" was the Bell. Listen closely and you can hear it...
      Also, its common that a fighter can get up and fight even after being seemingly unconscious for a sec or 2 - happens a lot in thailand if you actually watch some more fights so that can't legitimately be used as a Bias Call as it happens more in thai vs thai fights. Even if he did do the proper 10sec count to call it off, the bell may have saved him barely in time
      So yeah he won that first round, but the bell would have saved Superlek anyway imo -- Just bad timing I reckon. If Ramon did it a minute earlier then no doubt would have had a 1st round stoppage

    • @Mahdi_Molla
      @Mahdi_Molla Před 6 lety +2

      Superman Even then I believe Toshio Fujiwara is better than Dekkers. At the very least he accomplished more than Dekkers.

    • @Mahdi_Molla
      @Mahdi_Molla Před 6 lety

      Superman Top 15? You were right the first time. There are at least 30 guys I can think of who accomplished more than him.

    • @Mahdi_Molla
      @Mahdi_Molla Před 6 lety +4

      Superman He has the "reputation" he has because of his white privilege and not his accomplishments. His power has a lot to do with how the people he fought were smaller than him. Again, Toshio Fujiwara accomplished more than this guy and deserves to be ranked ahead of him as far as "farangs" go. Also, he is far from the "mike tyson" of Muay Thai lmao. He did not inspire fear and he easily lost to most thai fighters he fought.

  • @scotoftheanarchic.7903
    @scotoftheanarchic.7903 Před 6 lety +5

    Superlek was wrecked no idea where he was, stumbling towards his corner after the 1st round. Wtf was he on ? Dekkers was robbed here badly.. Still everyone watching knew who the real winner here was..."THE TURBINE FROM HELL" RIP

    • @Mahdi_Molla
      @Mahdi_Molla Před 6 lety +8

      Celtic Nation Dekkers lost the rest of the fight easily. Also keep in mind he is bigger than his opponent

    • @scotoftheanarchic.7903
      @scotoftheanarchic.7903 Před 6 lety +1

      Mahdi Molla wow you're delusional or blind that was a CLEAR win for the diamond.. Unreal hahaha

    • @pkamper99
      @pkamper99 Před 6 lety

      Is white privilege

    • @briansounalath
      @briansounalath Před 4 lety +1

      Yeah his face was mangled. It looked pretty even but Dekkers took way more hits. Kudos to him for being able to take them.

    • @randomerror9868
      @randomerror9868 Před 4 lety

      lmao fuck off boy, your daddy got his ass kicked, end of discussion, calling others delusional when u yourself can't accept reality, the irony is unreal

  • @veerasaknamea3513
    @veerasaknamea3513 Před 8 měsíci

    เล็ก.มีทุกดอกจริงๆ