Vegetarian or Vegan... Can I Recover from an Eating Disorder?
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In my opinion, vegan/vegetarian meals should be available everywhere. Not only out of ethic reason, but also, because you often need to eat more compared to meat eaters (depending the lifestyle you choose, b/c you can eat unhealthy on a vegan diet, easily, as well).. And this can be scary to someone with an eating disorder.
there's nothing ethical about vegan or vegetarian food. its the inverse.
@@humanoid144 Well actually... there is
@@humanoid144 well you aren't eating animal products, right? i'm new to being vegan but i stay away from wheat and processed sugars, some processed vegan food i question at best for if it's ethical
@@goodra999 I'm pretty new to being vegan (over 3 months) what's wrong with wheat?
I am bulimic and vegetarian. I've been wanting to go vegan because of the animals but I found that during binges it really doesn't matter if food is vegan or not. So to keep myself from feeling like I failed as a vegan I decided to eat vegetarian until I'm fully recovered.
zomertjee me too but sometimes i feel guilty eveytime i eat fish or yogurt
I think that's a great idea. How are you doing now?
this might sound harsh, but it is none of the treatment centers or therapists business of why you are a vegetarian or vegan. Millions of people in India are vegetarian and vegan and also in Israel its extremely common to be vegan, vegetarian, kosher, etc. I would be very careful in choosing a dietician. Many dieticians are not healthy themselves and give you attitude about this subject of vegetarianism and veganism. Tell the therapist you are vegan or vegetarian, and that's that. End of story. Don't eat what you don't want to it. American health industry is terrible for forcing meat and dairy on people. The reason is because dieticians get their guidance from the USDA - United States Department of Agriculture, so of course they want you to eat meats and dairy, as that's where the big money is. Shame on the whole industry. Treat the eating disorder without bashing a whole type of lifestyle, seen in more people in India than in the whole population of the United States.
I know this is an old video but I wanted to thank you for being so open and kind about this issue!
I am a vegan in recovery, and I find this topic very interesting. When I first went 'vegan' I ate eggs and Greek yoghurt, and essentially only ate health foods and low cal options, and it was entirely fueled by my disorder. However, after my sister went fully vegan after recovering, and I learnt what veganism really was, I made the transition to veganism fully. At first it was very disorder guided, as I wouldn't eat 'unhealthy' vegan food or fats, but after working with a dietician, I am happy to say I no longer place any restrictions on my diet other than choosing a vegan lifestyle. I've wanted to be vegetarian my whole life, and I've fallen in love with veganism as a Buddhist who has always been spiritually close to nature, and it's definitely helped me realise that I want to and will recover. I did go through therapy making and eating vegetarian meals, and still accidentally eat non-vegan and even non-vegetarian food by accident every now and again, but I no longer obsess over it and restrict because of it. I'm always sad and wish good karma towards the animals I've hurt, but I take it as a learning experience and move on. Sorry for the long ramble, I was just thinking a lot about things after the video
thank you kate
Thank you so mush for making this video!
Thank you for this video. I am a vegetarian and I have a diary allergy. I have been so scared about recovery and it's been very difficult to even find a place that I could go to recover. I will look into these vegan places and hopefully it will calm some nerves!
I want to become a Vegetarian but don't want to do it the wrong way. Can anyone help me? I can do dairy except for cheese because I get sick whenever I eat it, but it's only cheese no other dairy products.
When I was in treatment and I was a vegetarian, I was the only vegetarian and it was really annoying because I had to ask to order tofu everyday and everyone got annoyed and my dietician tried to push eating meat again on me
So well-said. So compassionately said. GREAT question about bingeing on veg vs. non-veg foods. Great distinction. Thank you for this video.
If you are vegan, and/or in the UK watch Naomi Grace Burke's inpatient experiences video of you want to know about some of the vegan food in her experiences :)
Maybe sometimes it's okay/necessary to give up your strict vegan diet during recovery even if it's not ED driven. I don't know. But for me, now that I'm trying to got back to eating normal amounts everyday, I really crave cheese. And even though I'm a vegan because of obvious ethical reasons I allow myself to eat cheese right now. I also allow myself to eat non vegan chocolate or candy if I really, really crave it. Because in the end, recovery is all about listening to your body, treating your body with kindness and respect, eating intuitively etc and by not allowing myself that chocolate bar or cheese I kinda restrict.
I still don't eat meat or eggs, I use soy milk instead of cow milk and I generally keep my vegan foods that I'm used to except that I add in the non vegan cheese and candy.
Maybe once I'm all better and my body has regained all the energy I stole from it I can go back to a fully vegan diet again. I hope so. But I'll make sure to stay away from all those vegan youtubers because their way of eating is way too restrictive and super triggering to me!
Thanks for addressing this topic, Kati. I know that I used vegetarianism as a crutch for my eating disorder when I stopped restricting for a couple months following a scare with my kidneys starting to fail. I would tell my family I'll eat but it has to be such and such, and eventually they all got so frustrated that they stopped pretending that what I was doing was any different than what I had been doing when I was at my worst. Since becoming bulimic I've stopped trying to fool myself like that
Kati, I didn't even realize some points you made in this video. i think this video was super helpful!
I just wanted to say that I have been a vegetarien my whole life and a vegan since half year. I had BED since about a year when i turned vegan, not as bad as some people have it, but it was a daily struggle.
In the beginning it had something to do with my BED (I thought then i have less things to binge on), but as i learned more and more about veganism it actually helped me to overcome bed because
1. It helped me to learn about healthy food and eating a healthy, balanced, vegan diet
2. As I learned more and more about veganism I started deeply believing that this is for me the right way to live and this didn't have anything to do with my ED. I was so excited about it and was reading books on it and watching videos on YT about it. Since being a vegan is not just a way of eating, but a philosophy, a lifestyle, it was like discouvering a new passion in myself. This passion helped me to overcome finally my ED (I turned vegan towards the end of my recovery)
Great video!
I completely agree that for some people going vegan is not a great idea but as someone who has never eaten meat and have been vegan since a really young age me and my family knew that my eating disorder was completely separate from my veganism. It was hard trying to convince my treatment team of this but in a way I’m glad that they are so careful to make sure people are making the right choices for their own recovery :)
I went vegan to help animals and the environment. I had been recovered from bulimia for about two years. Now two years into veganism, I notice I'm binging and purging quite a bit and often binging on dairy products (which make me feel guilty and so sick because I'm basically lactose intolerant). Im having a hard time talking about it with my therapist though because I often dissociate during a binge or purge and can't remember the thoughts I have that lead me to that point. Eating disorders are so tricky!
I know this is an old video, but it completely blows my mind that I never associated vegetarianism and eating disorders. Thanks so much for another great video!
Katie, this was a really great video. A topic that is not discussed enough so thank you! I first would like to say I am an animal rights activist before anything else. I've been campaigning for animal rights since I was 12 years old. I'm an ethical vegan and could never even imagine placing veganism into my eating issues. Veganism is never supposed to be used as a diet. period. Many people are veg/vegan for different reasons but for me it's always because of animals, not my eating disorder!
I have been meat and pork free for 8 months. I have now decided to go full vegetarian but I am often questioned or lectured whether it is because of my "anorexic tendencies" that I am choosing to change my diet. I say no and that being a vegetarian is just the best option for me health wise. This video is helpful.. Thank you!
Thanks for doing this video :) I went vegetarian and then vegan before my ED started and it has always been ethically and morally based. Hearing these questions and answering them has helped me to further confirm that being vegan is a part of who I am :)
Hm well I don’t drink gasoline, toilet water, I don’t eat sponges or cotton balls . In fact I avoid eating those things. I’m worried, does my restrictive diet mean that I have an eating disorder?
A great video! I was vegetarian for about 4 years in my eating disorder. I have always been passionate about animals and it fit into my belief system as well. I went inpatient a few times and they catered really well but the next time I went inpatient, I realised it was a part of my eating disorder. They already had it down that I was vegetarian, I was like no, I want meat!! Like you said it isn't clear cut and it was really difficult for me to realise that it was eating disorder driven. xoxox
Very insightful video!! I never thought that my deciding to go vegan was actually driven by my eating disorder until now!! I started just last year... I was desperately trying to limit my eating and giving myself more rigid boundaries with food... Something to think about. Now that I have been eating vegan style.... I like it though and am afraid to do anything else for fear of losing control... Especially around sweets and junk food... Thank you for providing these videos!!
What an adorable personality
i know many other patients in my program expressed resentment that i was allowed to stay vegetarian and they weren't.. but id been veggie for 15 years. i didn't really do much cheese before, so that was hard to get used to, as an ED thing,and involved tears and anger (lol ever had to add 2 oz of parmesan cheese to spaghetti? )
In my treatment center, vegetarian options were available, but they explored why we were vegetarians. Vegans were not allowed to continue.
This is interesting for you to point out. I became vegeterian a few months ago to help me intake less fat. I am now thinking of going vegan for the same reason. I can't though because my bones are weak and I am lactose intolerant now. I need the cheese, etc. I do feel better as a vegeterian, but mentally I am worse. I feel like this cycle is going for its third time. It is upsetting. Frustrating.
I wish eating disorder recovery programs would be more accommodating towards veganism and vegetarian diets. I see it as being similar to a religious or political belief. Like would an eating disorder treatment place refuse to help someone if they were Jewish, Muslim, or seventh day Adventist and had to abide by certain dietary guidelines?
I once was inpatient at a clinic, not for an ed but anyways I had been there before and always said I was vegetarian multiple times but they refused to serve me vegetarian food even tho they had others who got that food and then they would get mad at me for not eating. It honestly really impacted me because I would get yelled at for not eating but they wouldn’t serve me food I would eat because they were just to lazy to put me on the list. Idk that pissed me off tho
love this video Kati!
I started being a vegetarian mid-disorder.. but I've wanted to and it's been a part of my beliefs since I was younger. The idea of eating meat has sickened me for years anyway. I've been trying to decide for ages if this is ED related or not, because I did want to be vegetarian years ago and I couldn't start until my parents would let me? Do you have any thoughts on that, because I have a rough time understanding what's going on in my head most of the time.
Hi Kati! An interesting thought I had was this...Could the huge explosion of EDs in modern society also be like a sub conscious reflection on the true state of mass manufactured food? For example, I will only eat organic eggs, organic free range dairy, etc, because I don't not want muck like Monsanto rBGH, poisons, drugs , and now GM , etc in my food AND that the animals had a nice natural life in respect for Mother Nature and heart centred kindness. Why shouldn't a person recovering from an ED have the choice to be ethical and organic only, and put only loving vibration foods into their body. Not all this plastic muck full of sugar, gluten, pesticides, aspartame, HFCS, etc! I have seen a lot of people overcome EDs by going "alternative", ethical, natural, organic, vegan, paleo, etc. for them they were partly bit touch with a feeling that the regular foods just didn't feel right at all. Some people are sensitive to this. Someone recovering should never have to prove they are recovering by eating junk, and if they don't want to eat the junk, get accused of it being the ED! How you feel is so important, being in touch with your feelings and not denial. We are bombarded with lies by the big food corporations as it's all about the dollar and not health nor the environment! To me, the good vibration foods is like loving your body. The foods that someone might use for bulimia are mostly pointless junk. Maybe bulimia is the biggest statement to the true quality of the what these junk foods represent. Worthless non nutritional pointless stuffs that I couldn't even use the word food for! Even people with EDs have the human right to not be contaminated with this modern Monsanto crap!
I am about to start inpatient treatment this month, and i am terrified about what they will want me to eat. They do allow vegetarian, but the thing is that I also really hate tofu and eggs...what do you think they would do then? Make me eat beans all the time?
I am still unsure if it is Ed or me that truly wants to be vegetarian. I get freaked out thinking about anything to do with meat, and never really like meat before either...
Thanks for the video!
Oh- amazing Vidz btw!! so helpful!
wow, I totally agree. Being vegan is my whole life. People don't usually know that being vegan doesn't mean you are restricted to nothing. You can definitely binge as a vegan. I never stray from it either. It's everything. how you said, toothpaste, soap, clothing...everything. Nice to know i'm not alone.
Thank you
Nice video! :)
Honestly I'm so confused whether I went vegan solely because it's my beliefs, or mainly because I loved how it kept my weight down, because when I went back to vegetarian I freaked out & was really angry at myself after having cow milk on my cereal :(
I'm sorry I don't know if it's okay for me to comment here but he same thing happened to me, now that I think about it I went vegan almost at the same time I began recovery and it's helped me keep my weight down... I care about the animals of course but when kati mentioned which "voice" talks after consuming something non vegan accidentally well, that's the ed
Awe thank you!! As are you, you amazing, funny and inspirational person!
What about semi vegetarians or people who follow a kosher diet?
I'm became vegan for ethics. I eat whatever I want. If I see I'm eating a lot of vegan junk food , I just add more whole foods. Veganism is not about diets ! please , people need to understand that. if people want to be vegan for health reasons, OK. You need to educate yourself on the true meaning of veganism. veganism is about animals, environment, and even help humans . people should understand veganism with out judge. because before we were vegans, we thought like most people, eating meat totally unconscious, just like eating a banana. it's a good thing to be fully conscious about where your food comes from, that's our right.
Again, I would love to send you a P.M. on here explaining my reasoning in better detail without saying my personal issues on a public forum...if that's okay?
same here im also thinking about veganism or raw veganism. not to change my body shape/loose weight or something but for my health and how i feel . but im also really scared its just my ed :/
My problem is that I just don't like all sorts of meat...like I am not really a vegetarian, I do eat ham or chicken, but that's it basically...I might eat some pork, but only if it is not raw at all and if there is no fat or anything else on it. I know that sounds like ED driven, but it is not! I have never really liked meat and it is the texture that I can't stand (but this started a LONG time before my ED)...but now I'm scared that they will think it's ED driven because I don't want the
I used to have EDNOS and I went vegan 3 months ago. My eating behavior has become so much healthier. If I wouldn't have gone vegan, I'm 100% certain my eatinf disorder would be even worse by now
What about those who keep kosher ? I don't keep super strict kosher outside my house becuase I live in a place where that's not possible but out I don't mix meat and milk or eat pork shellfish etc would this be a hinderance if I ever need to be inpatient or my recovery at all ?
Love it . I have bulimia now and i wanna be vegan ..but i binge on cakes and chocolates, mayonnaise , how to recover :(
ive always been vegetarian, however around the time my ED showed up i went to vegan. would you say that being vegetarian was just the beginning of my ED? i do crave protein and when my iron is really low i will eat fish and small amounts of poultry. im confused
Where I live i was basically told i had to quit cause they cant know whether im vegan because of my ed
I'm currently in PHP at the University of Iowa. They don't even allow you to be a vegetarian here!
Abby Walker thats mental im buddhist so i follow a vegetarian diet because it's a belief as I don't want to cause any more suffering in the world that there already is so the fact that they probably would make a muslim eat pork it just seems wrong
Abby Walker well that fucking sucks
whats the difference betwen vegan and vetertarean :) xx
Thank you..My nutritionist doesn't believe my being a vegan is ed related it's for being an humanitarian...i gave away cowgirl boots and make up that's been used to make or tested on animals. I'm allergic to soy and gluten intolerant....but yes I see her side of it too. I just hate the black/white of it because I steuggle.
Why do ED practitioners always talk about "the eating disorder voice" when really it is you and we have positive and negative parts of US. Or are you suggesting all ED pts hear voices and delusions? I find this psychology difficult to work with as a dietitian. It makes NO sense to me. This is again where the "current paradigm" for ED treatment assumes the RD is on the same page as the therapist, when really I might have my own approach for this. This "eating disorder voice" seems to be forced on RDs who work with ED regardless of other beliefs on the psychology behind it. The treatment"team" then is not really all doing the same thing, which can get in the way of the patient, then, can't it?
ok im not sure if this sent last time but i need advice,I know its ED related me being vegitarian i kno this in my heart because of cal intake worries me with meat,i needed to get tht out its been bothering my boyfreind and my family worrieing but my bf knows like 3to4 months ago i was doing good with recovery then it all changed wht do i tell him and my family it sucks so bad not being open with my bf about this
fatty pieces...idk...like if they will be understanding when I say I like meat, but only some very special ones..I actually even was vegetarian once, but restarted to have meat cause my iron was very low (i hope it's medically called iron too haha) ... thank u for that video!
So, Katie, it wasn't clear to me...let's say a vegan binges on non-vegan foods in the midst of their eating disorder. Is that person really a vegan or is their veganism linked to their eating disorder?
That thumbnail is funny. :)
Just wish that Vegans would not behave as a Cult and treat their personal preferences as a religion decree ordained by God. As with all concerned parents I don’t expect my children to prematurely rebel and pursue any half baked theory blindly and primarily just do something because it is fashionable, glamorous and trendy. I am currently doing research on marine macroalgae (Seaweed) as an alternate protein source for humans and hope to change peoples food choices on health and ethics basis. I am actively campaigning against factory farming and cruelty to animals and also trying to logically prove that the coronavirus pandemic has been caused by factory farmed pigs as the intermediate host of this contagion and pangolins are just a decoy.