3rd WAVE // THE BIG REVIEW.. EVERYTHING you need to know
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
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A Deep Dive walkthrough and demo of the groove synthesis 3rd wave. It's the longest demo I've ever made because there's so much to look at. Hopefully someone will stick through to the end!! (there's a rather nice sounding demo to finish)
Heres the other 3rd Wave demos I mentioned in the video:
Desktop vs Keyboard • 3rd Wave // Keyboard v...
vs Vintage PPG Wave 2.2 • Vintage PPG Wave vs Gr...
Using MPE with Roli • 3rd Wave // MPE with t...
Emulating a Prophet VS • 3rd Wave Update // PPG...
As promised in the video.. FREE 38 Patches, 4 wavetables plus DMX samples
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• From The Studio
0:00 Sit Back, Relax
5:20 Oscillator Overview
10:17 Waveflow
12:28 Upper Wavetable
16:22 User Waves
21:55 Create Wavetables
24:55 Analog Waves
28:17 LFO & FM
31:34 Sync
32:35 Unison
34:52 Sampling
42:16 Sequencer
44:57 Arpeggiator
45:42 Multi-Part
52:39 Stacking Parts
56:19 Wave Envelopes
59:30 Filters
1:04:54 Saturation
1:08:27 Envelopes
1:10:48 Effects
1:14:33 Almost Done!
1:18:30 Juno 60
1:20:42 Blissful .. Intro Track - Hudba
Starsky, this is absolutely incredible! Thanks!!
This covers just about everything that the 3rd Wave is currently capable of. I am so glad that you stretched it out to its limit! The 3rd Wave is at its heart a wavetable synthesizer with PPG and modern modes, but it does so much more, (sampling, analog, FM, sequencing, MPC etc), and sounds great doing it. Plus... 24 voices and 4 parts always available.
I've said this time and time again Bob, you and your team have done an amazing job in bringing this to us mere mortals.
I might not be able to afford one, but I can still admire what you collectively have done.
Maybe one day, but for now, I just have something to dream of.
Thanks once again for a thing of beauty.
Bob, agree with everyone. You've created one of (if not THE) best synths EVER. Excellent work sir!
I've had my 3rd Wave since Fall of 2022 (thankfully before the prices went up), and it has held up as my absolute favorite synth of all time. It's so deep, and yet so easy to use, and it sounds absolutely fantastic!
I really need to stop torturing myself with videos of this synth. Due to different circumstances this is years off for me right now but it's absolutely at the top of my synth wish list.
Not torture, education. Now when you get it, you'll be able to jam away, no mucking about with the manual. I know I'll never own one, but I like Starsky's style.
Rent to own!
I will be curling up with this video and my 3rd Wave for many nights - this is a huge help in surfacing things I'd likely never find. Thanks!!
Thank you so much for this review, and for being the longest video. This is my ONLY choice of synth of everything thats currently being produced. This is extremely useful.
Great video as usual, very comprehensive. Love the comparisons at the end showing just how versatile this synth is, I don’t have the space for much equipment so this has been the perfect buy for me.
I had such a crazy journey with mine: totally unimpressed at first, just based on the very PPG-sounding presets which did nothing for me. I actually boxed it up to return it. But having spent the money, I wanted to give it a fair shake so I gave it a weekend - and I’m SO glad I did. It's an absolute monster synth, and might be the desert island synth of the decade. It's absolutely gorgeous in every possible way!
Fantastic review as always, my friend!
Fantastic. I always feel like I'm on a posh, elegant, British ride with Starsky. Quickly becoming one of my favorite creators. I will never be in the Market for a #rd Wave, but I'm enjoying the ride, and if I ever encounter one in the wild, I'll be able to give the owner some tips. Well done sir.
very nice Starsky, it looks like it will be an all time great synth 👌🏼
such a great review - thank you very much!
that demo track was GORGEOUS! reminded me a lot of Solar Fields
Thanks :)
Definitely would love to use this on some of my stuff. Such a capable synth.
Cheers Starsky! 💜
I absolutely love this thing, it is sooooo me. I just wish I could afford it! Maybe one day. Great deep dive man. 👏 ❤🚀💫
Superb overview, detailed and thorough as always. Thank you. I got pretty excited about this synth then looked up the price. OMG. Quality costs I guess. Keep saving!
I don’t know you do it man. You’re ability to present such well organized ideas in a logical order is incredible. I also really appreciate your playing. Thanks!
Awesome! Thank you!
Great walkthrough. For me this is the most desirable keyboard out there right now, I just wish I could justify it 😂
This thing so amazing… wish i had 💰 🌲 in the backyard great video man
Yeah amaZING, sticks n stones bro...
I've had mine for a few months now. All that's really missing is a editor/librarian and vst. And also needs more preset storage. Not sure how that was overlooked.
I'm a big fan of editors.. really useful to pick a patch apart.
Sounds amazing - totally unobtanium for me but knowing products like this are out in the world is a good thing indeed.
Great review.. Although I fear your Juno 60 ate your Juno 106 at the end 😂
I was fortunate enough to purchase one of these very early on. It was stunning then and has become only more so. It is an instant classic. The Groove Synthesis people are first class. I have chatted on the phone with them. I am endlessly in love with this instrument.
I couldn't agree more
Thanks for this great presentation of this really amazing sounding synth. I guess your statement "this is the synth for the island" is only too true :)
Holy funk that last Juno 60 track where the harmonized backwards was unreal bro wow
Excellent review! This is my favorite synth. I sold my desktop to get the keyboard version, but then accidentally-on-purpose bought a Super Gemini. :D (actually because I heard there may be a PolyAT update of some kind coming in the future for the 3rd Wave keys.) I figured I'd get the Gemini now, and then grab the PolyAT version of the 3rd Wave when that materializes. (and if for some reason it doesn't, I'll re-buy the desktop 3rd Wave and control it from the Gemini) I've only been without the 3rd Wave for about a month now, but already miss it. :D Having some withdrawl symptoms I think.
@StarskyCarr Thanks so much for this indepth video of one of my favorite bits of gear. One that, thanks to the Groove team seems to just keep getting better and better! The Juno 60 comparison was great because this synth is a great modern replacement for the analog synths that Roland refuses to make. But it also highlights what think is one area for potential improvement --- if you listen to the "meatiness" of the bass on the Juno for plucked synth bass sounds, it has some "oomph" that the 3rd Wave lacks ever so slightly, whereas in the mids and highs the 3rd Wave either equals or surpasses the Juno. I can't be sure, but it may be something in the envelope type that makes the difference, maybe new firmware options could be introduced to give it that "oomph" of punchy analog bass? As much as I love my 3rd Wave, I would love it even more if this happened.
In this world of synths all you need is 4 forms of synthesis, wavetable analog mono, prophet whatever ,tb 303 and....FM
wait thats 5 LOL
@@tombasports I thought "wavetable analog mono" was all one thing and didn't question it for a good solid minute.
Starsky, you can hold 'Compare' button and tweak the knob parameter you want and it will jump to that parameter without modifying it.
The ultimate review is here...
Probably the best sounding and most versatile synth money can buy atm. Although the price is out of reach for most people.
Don't worry, Behringer is already working on copying this product as well because you know... They can't come up with any original ideas themselves. I'm sure it'll be a great copy and everyone will be pleased. 😄
B is such a mixed thing for me. Cloning stuff that's currently on market is lame. But cloning stuff you can't buy anymore (or would cost you an arm and a leg) I don't mind. I have no interest in paying thousands for someone's dream 70's synth (to them) - but to me would be a bunch of repair bills. That's where the clones aren't as bad to me.
@@2.Plus.2.Equals.5 Oh come on, I have and love the 3rd Wave but the entire thing is "wot if we made a modern PPG" (it's in the name!) - not altogether different conceptually from the UB-Xa or the Behringer Prophet, both of which are far from clones.
I don't know man It sounds sort of kind of I don't know... Haven't heard a sound yet that made me really love it.
C'mon man, these statements aren't helpful. Lots of great synthesizers out there for all sorts of money. It really depends on what your preferences for knob twiddling come down to.
Awesome video but wtf is the whisper at 1:40 lol? Great review and thanks a lot for this in depth dive!
My favorite section of this video: Blissful! Superb 90's new agey rhythmic goodness. Loved it! 😇 🥰 ( 1:20:42 Blissful )
Thanks 🤩
Due to how good this video is you are hereby charged the price of a 3rd Wave as compensation for hurting my Inner Synth Gas! Humbug..... hehe jk Great vid as always Starsky :)
haha cheers.
I never got the connection to my 1980s blue BMX bike! Or my brother’s blue cutlass supreme. They got me!! 😂
Awesome synth Starsky, thx for the in-depth overview, I can live without one, but that just makes life a little less fun.
Once again thx for your efforts.
haha.
My favorite synth gangster with my favorite damn synth I can’t afford I played one at perfect circuit and I’m saving up for it but idk i need a new truck too sooo idk it’ll be a long time till i can afford it wish this company made a drum machine and mono synth too but all they make is that right?
Thanks so much for doing this review, I stayed till the end! I have the Prophet 12 and this seems like it addresses all the issues I had with that synth. It seemed like Dave Smith never wanted to do revisions and each synth was like a work of art to him. That's maybe why he never wanted to redo the Prophet 5 and was against that for a long time. Apple has the opposite approach where the tweak the same product the iphone 15 different times over and over again. On the Phophet 12, I didn't like the filters, the OSC's were stiff and there wasn't any bottom end on the synth, the effects were bland, the ARP was wonky and would jump around in time, you couldn't do real wavetables or import waves. But the interface and modulation was perfect, it seems like the 3rd wave copied it's user interface and modulation. Sequential really should have made this the Prophet 12 rev2. It has double the poly, double the parts, great effects, deep bass is there, the waves now are very close to analog with vintage mode. It can even sound close to the Juno or Prophet 6 which is really impressive! Just have a 24 voice 4 part Prophet 6 would be impressive enough with all the modulation possibilities for sound design. Plus all the wavetables, VS synth, amazing filters, song mode, sampling, MPE... It seems like it has everything and I can sell the Prophet 12 and get this one. This video really sold me on it!
As close as I get is my Waldorf PPG software one. It is wonderful and as Luther’s say. Can’t afford.
Monster video, ->100K
Great video. I just got a module a few weeks ago and have been having great fun exploring. So far, my biggest pain point by far is the envelopes. Most of my other synths express their envelopes in terms of time, rather than an abstract value from 1-127. Maybe I'll get used to it - though I had a Prophet Rev2 for 3 years and this bothered me the entire time I had that synth too.
It just bothers me because I'll be making a sound and working on something like a decay envelope and it's not long enough at 65, not long enough at 66, so I jump up into the 80s and it's way too long. But I don't really know *how* long any of these numbers are in relation to each other. So I have to back it down to 65 and then it feels like I find out the number I wanted was either 66 or 79 every time. If I knew I was around 300ms for the decay and that's a bit too short I can go to 350ms, but I just have failed to figure out what 65 means in relation to 70 or 80 with no units to connect it to. That goes doubly for the wave envelopes.
EDIT: I still like it overall, just being able to see the envelopes expressed in terms of time constants would be a huge workflow improvement for me.
That's not something I've ever considered tbh. I can't think of a hardware synth that gives me a time value. I find that I get used to the knob positions for different types of tones. For me, seconds wouldn't be that much use without knowing the beats per second, and even then I would teak the tone to fit the other elements of the track. Like you, however, I do find a new synth takes a while to get used to.
What synth has time values? You can tell the difference between 250 and 275 milliseconds by ear? How is that humanly possible? Just twist the knob till you find what you like, that's how every other synth is.
@@StarskyCarr Hydrasynth does this. You can set each stage of each of the envelopes synced to master clock (i.e. 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, 1/64) so each envelope effectively functions like a synced one-shot LFO (and envelopes can loop too, so they can act like custom LFO shapes in that sense). It's a really useful feature.
@@StarskyCarr Kurzweils do. In fact almost everything is in real values, e.g. Cutoff Frequency is in Hz.
For what a search it is the best synth on the market / all the times
Well, look what you You did. Now we’re gonna want this level video on every synth you review! 😂 Great job as always this was definitely so good. Didn’t even feel like an hour plus. I’ve sat with The third wave a couple times and I’m still on the fence. Gonna try to revisit it soon. Not a big deal, but I really dislike the color. I think it makes it look cheap and tacky.
haha not a chance ;). these take far too long to produce tbh. Everything becomes super clunky when you've got over 700GB in 300 files washing around in an external drive! This was a labour of love in the end. A challenge I wasn't going to give up on... and I really like the colour, it was a definite part of the attraction. I don't know if you've seen one in real life, but it's quite stunning.
700 gigs is crazy lol. Thank you for the suffering! Yes, I’ve played the third wave quite a few times and debating on picking one up at some point. Not sure yet if it’s for me though. Luckily, I have perfect circuit here so I’m able to get time in on the weekends. Cheers
@@loweroctavesdon’t forget my perfect circuit affiliate link if you do 😅
Sneaky ASMR sound there at 1:40 in the left channel only 😀
Spooky! 👻
it's pretty rad,
but I would rather a nonlinear labs c-15 and money in my pocket.
Its amazing, its just sucks that it is the same price as a good motorcycle.
Good motorcycle in India?
I‘m still hesitating to buy this marvel - because I‘m afraid all my Prophets, Obies, Iridium, Hydrasynth etc. would become obsolete.
You may be right, but we have a guarantee if you don't love it. 😄
@@bobcooverOf course I love the 3W (from a distance up to now). It was love at first sight. But would I need any other synth besides it? Perhaps my OB-X8 and a Minimoog - what else?
@RayyMusik I can confirm the 3rd Wave gets along very well with the Iridium and Hydrasynth and would not 'obsolete' them.😉
I went to NAMM '22 to check out the OB-X8, and came away preordering the 3rd Wave instead. Since then I just haven't had any GAS for any other polysynth (though I will check out the PB12 when it becomes available). The 3W just sounds so great on its own, the only reason to get a P10 or OB-X8 would be if you HAD to have that exact sound. However, as an OG Minimoog owner I would never part with my 2016 Reissue.
@@marzzz1 the PB12 is all weaksauce, it offers nothing new sonically, has whistles and bells but the oscillators aren't anything special.
When you soak your patches in FX and rely on the Morphee, you can get better sounding synths and just use an Etouchee pedal.
3rd Wave is 4 synths in 1, and just sounds better imo.
Звук отличается от Juno-60 и не в лучшую сторону.
Same vibe as a Behringer clone
One thing I would have loved for them to have implemented is a MIDI channel and local mode override per patch rather than just having them set globally...so when using it as a MIDI controller for other hardware synths it would be a breeze to just select that patch. Still love it to death, it really is a perfect synth. Great video!
I would mute it on the mixer in such cases.
..or turn the part off.
I have a controller patch programmed..... Parts are set to 0 volume, and each part is assigned a midi channel.... Instantly controls my 4 desktops (P6, OB6, Peak and Virus Ti2) on dedicated buttons.
@@paulmapp8306 Best solution! Thanks.