Analysis of Ravel's Oiseaux tristes

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  • čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
  • A discussion of the motivic, harmonic, rhythmic and cultural connections found in Maurice Ravel's somber and haunting Oiseaux tristes.

Komentáře • 39

  • @Ivan_1791
    @Ivan_1791 Před 2 lety +18

    Man, I'm so glad to say I found and subscribed to your channel when you had less than 10 followers, because I think you might eventually be one of the main music analysis channels out there.

  • @drmdjones
    @drmdjones Před 2 lety +14

    I am a music theorist and yours are the best analyses I've seen on CZcams. Keep up the good work.

  • @lanaritchie
    @lanaritchie Před 2 lety +5

    I'm utterly amazed, I don't understand how people like you can do stuff like this. So helpful and detailed - thank you so much!

  • @kunsttheorieatc5507
    @kunsttheorieatc5507 Před 2 lety +5

    Thank you! Great analysis. I hope more Ravel music will follow

  • @fryderykC60FF
    @fryderykC60FF Před 11 měsíci +3

    Thankyou for your insightful presentation of this remarkable Ravel.

  • @chonglamm8355
    @chonglamm8355 Před rokem +4

    Très bien....bravo !

  • @kostasaxillios3003
    @kostasaxillios3003 Před 2 lety +7

    Amazing work, thank you so much for all the incredible information! Please consider analyzing the rest of Ravel's Miroirs, it's such an interesting and diverse work...

    • @NickBacchetto
      @NickBacchetto  Před 2 lety +2

      Thank you! I agree entirely about Miroirs-the other pieces are on my to-do list.

  • @1siriuswolf
    @1siriuswolf Před 2 lety +2

    Great analysis. The opening repeated notes, simple but effective 🐦🐦 nature never ceases to inspire

  • @remyvegamedia
    @remyvegamedia Před 10 měsíci +1

    Loved this breakdown.
    That F#13b9 is like a bread and butter chord in jazz. Super common in gospel too. I'm coming from jazz/gospel and learning classical and it's so cool to see the differences and similarities alike.

  • @packerwoo9711
    @packerwoo9711 Před 2 lety +6

    Nice analysis! One bird that you forgot to mention is the Cuckoo bird, which have a interval of 3rd that appear a lot in this piece.
    Louis-Claude Daquin also have a piece written from the inspiration of Cuckoo, and both Daquin and Ravel are French composer, so it is not impossible that Ravel might have taken influence from Daquin.

    • @NickBacchetto
      @NickBacchetto  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks! You're correct that it is indeed possible for Ravel to have been considering the call of the cuckoo when implementing the falling 3rd motive in this piece. Given that members of Les Apaches (including Ravel himself via his comments to Vuillermoz) have cited Ravel's time in the forests of Fontainebleau as the inspiration for the bird calls in this piece, and that cuckoos aren't native to those forests, I omitted their call from my analysis.

  • @oferstolarov7937
    @oferstolarov7937 Před 2 lety +1

    Amazing, thank you so much. The beautiful side of CZcams. Please make more!

  • @jackdolphy8965
    @jackdolphy8965 Před rokem +2

    Absolutely fabulous Nick. Your understanding of the trees and the forest at the same time is grande!!! Of course only folks who are pretty deep into Ravel and this work in particular - and have more than a beginner’s knowledge of music lol can follow you. Knowing that you’re appealing to a tiny niche in the already tiny world of music geeks who can appreciate what you articulate here - and you keep going is grounds for a new species of Nobel freakin prize!! Wind ever and ever at your back 🙏🏽. Any chance you would do an analysis of Ravel’s Trois Poems de Stephane Mallarme ?

    • @NickBacchetto
      @NickBacchetto  Před rokem +1

      Thank you for the kind words, Jack! I'm pleased you were able to find something of interest in the analysis.
      The Trois Poems are exquisite pieces. I'll likely focus strictly on piano repertory for a bit, but you never know :)

  • @mohhingman
    @mohhingman Před 2 lety +2

    Wow. great. Love to hear about Ravel's music.

  • @cmb_cworld
    @cmb_cworld Před 2 lety +1

    Amazing work, thank you!

  • @bradencutright-head6629
    @bradencutright-head6629 Před 2 lety +1

    Wow, I really like these videos! Please keep doing these!

  • @estebanfreytes
    @estebanfreytes Před rokem +1

    What a great analysis. One of my favorite pieces of Ravel. Le Gibet and Nahandove would be great to watch to.
    I would love to hear a more harmonic analysis (I’m a jazz musician), with all the chord changes trough the entire piece.
    Great job
    Ps: I’ve never heard the “Octatonic” name for the diminished scale. That was new to me

    • @NickBacchetto
      @NickBacchetto  Před rokem +1

      Thank you! I may look at Le Gibet at some point.
      Interestingly, Barry Harris also took issue with calling the scales that alternate half and whole steps "diminished"

  • @akashboinpally9228
    @akashboinpally9228 Před 10 měsíci +1

    nice analysis, thanks for the helpful content

  • @beverlyriley8528
    @beverlyriley8528 Před rokem +2

    I’m writing a paper on this piece for my music theory class, and I absolutely love your analysis! It’s been so helpful to me, and wow I get so excited about music theory when I watch these types of videos! 🥰

    • @NickBacchetto
      @NickBacchetto  Před rokem +2

      Thank you! Always retain that excitement-it's very important.

  • @stubbsmusic543
    @stubbsmusic543 Před 2 lety +1

    Nicely done.

  • @thibomeurkens2296
    @thibomeurkens2296 Před 2 lety +2

    This video was wildly interesting, I liked how you looked at the motives and related them to actual birds!! Could you do an analysis of maritime by Jean Cras?

    • @NickBacchetto
      @NickBacchetto  Před 2 lety +1

      That's a beautiful piece-thanks for the recommendation!

    • @thibomeurkens2296
      @thibomeurkens2296 Před 2 lety

      @@NickBacchetto No problem, I love that piece it reminds me of Ravel.

  • @Shirley.Zhang57
    @Shirley.Zhang57 Před 6 měsíci

    Thanks so much for this!!! I love the context at the beginning, and the breakdown of harmony and chords, your analysis is very detailed! Don't know if you're still reading comments, but if you are, could you pls analyse Chopin's waltz in E minor, Bach english suite no 2 prelude, Mozart sonata K332, or Whitlam Rag no 1 "It's time!" by Ian Munro??? Thanks again

    • @NickBacchetto
      @NickBacchetto  Před 6 měsíci

      Glad you found it useful! And thanks for the recommendations!

  • @ValentinaSmirnova9
    @ValentinaSmirnova9 Před 8 měsíci

    Thank you! Very interesting and inspiring.

  • @febilogi
    @febilogi Před 2 lety +1

    Wow... I really love your videos and I watch them multiple times. I am just wondering, how could you have the idea that he inspired by birds? Lots of analysis videos "just" cover the theories of harmony, rhythm and motivic development but there aren't many videos about the relation between those educational theories with nature. Do you know books or resources that I could read further about how nature effects music? Or at least could you give me resources that help me make analysis like yours (other than the "typical" education materials like rhythm, harmony, etc)? Anyway, thank you so much for sharing your knowledges free in youtube! Your themes are complex and helps me a lot ☺️ warm regards, Febi from Germany

    • @NickBacchetto
      @NickBacchetto  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you, Febi! Generally speaking, analysts can benefit greatly from researching the biographical details of a composer's life at the time he/she was working on a given composition. Composers are usually highly attuned to the particular soundworld they are immersed in; if that world is rich with evocative sound sources, those sources can often seep in to the compositional process to some degree.

  • @dongjin1617
    @dongjin1617 Před 2 lety

    I really enjoyed the video and subscribed you. I want analysis of Scriabin Sonata no.10

    • @NickBacchetto
      @NickBacchetto  Před 2 lety +1

      Scriabin's late sonatas are fascinating pieces-I intend to look at them at some point

  • @pseudotonal
    @pseudotonal Před rokem

    What is the purpose of the initial slur? It is easily confused with a tie. And why the staccato mark on the second note of the figure if it is not to be played staccato? Maybe it should be played staccato -- like a glottal stop.

  • @Ivan_1791
    @Ivan_1791 Před 2 lety

    As a suggestion I think talking about Scriabin's Guirlandes (Op.73 No.1) could be really interesting. I don't think there is any analysis video of that piece on CZcams.

    • @NickBacchetto
      @NickBacchetto  Před 2 lety

      That's a beautiful piece. Thanks for the excellent suggestion!

    • @Ivan_1791
      @Ivan_1791 Před 2 lety

      @@NickBacchetto You're welcome.