One of My Worst ILS Approaches | Spatial Disorientation on the Departure Procedure | Many Mistakes
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2020
- While trying to maintain instrument currency, I get spatial disorientation in IMC and struggle with making many mistakes on this ILS Approach from Whiteman KWHP to Oxnard KOXR.
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NOTE: Portions of this flight have been edited along with ATC communications. I am not a CFI and this video is for entertainment purposes only. Always study and use current charts and procedures and discuss with your CFI.
Such an awesome video man!!
Thanks so much!
Gaff
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Ya man daddy-o dude
Sharing our "not perfect" flights, as if there is one, is always the right call. Helping others learn from mistakes makes us all safer.
Thanks for the encouragment. :)
“Helping others learn” is what it is all about!
This is very true. I subscribed because of this video.
Really appreciate your honesty in this video and posting it was absolutely the right call. At the end of the day I think this video shows us that we have a choice: we can either ignore our mistakes and move on as if they never happened, or we can use them as learning aids to become better pilots (and people)! Thanks for this - regards from South Africa
Thank you for sharing so that we can all learn from your experience!
"The only mistake is the one from which we learn nothing."
-Henry Ford
Thank you for posting this video. I think viewers get a lot more from seeing mistakes and hearing the debrief than they do from watching a normal flight. Great content!
Honestly, seeing that you had trouble with a situation is a relief for someone who has anxiety about not being a perfect pilot. This shows that even someone who has flown a lot before still makes mistakes and learns from them. Thank you for showing this!
i learn something on every flight!
When I'm breaking out of clouds (above or below them) I always try to ignore getting a glimpse outside and stay glued to the gauges. It helps a lot. Spatial disorientation used to happen to me sometimes coming in and out of the clouds. It's just a video game your playing while riding as a passenger on a bumpy road. Play the game by the rules - which are to fly the instruments
I think the false horizon messed with me on this one.
I don't think it's a fair or safe to recommend avoiding getting the "glimpse of the outside". As a pilot you need to integrate multiple sources of information to ensure that things are consistent, including your instruments and your eyes. Your instruments could be wrong - you could make a mistake in setting your altimeter for example, etc. A quick look outside allows you to cross check your instruments, keeping in mind that certain visuals could be misleading, such as the horizon.
@@igvc1876 Agreed. I've had that kind of disorientation only once, while flying into a cloud in the evening and looking out as the strobe lit up the cloud. Suddenly my body said I as in a sharp left turn. I glued my attention to the gauges and they all agreed that I was climbing wings level just like I was supposed to be doing, and the weirdness went away.
@@igvc1876 False, you don't have the opportunity to do this at night, so don't do it at day time.
igvc1876 extremely wrong. You never compare and contrast instruments to visual reference when IMC. That’s what instrument checks on the ground and once you’re possibly VMC are for. As long as you’re on IFR there is never a need to look outside in low vis. TRUST YOUR INSTRUMENTS
As a helicopter guy, even under the hood in an R-44 I can still a bit of the ground beneath me. When I was still just starting work on my instrument rating back in November it had just snowed about a foot everywhere so everything I could see in my peripherals was just white. As we were approaching the FAF on a GPS approach I saw a tree or house or something in one eye and every single sense in my body was telling me to bank hard left, even though I was straight and level. The "woah" I said made my instructor a bit nervous (as it should) and I ended up fixating on the attitude indicator and wasn't able to properly describe what I was experiencing. This caused us both to miss an ATC call saying VFR traffic was about to get in the way and to do a 360 for spacing. They weren't pleased that we missed their call. A bit of a stressful flight, but a great learning experience, as it's still the only flight I've had fully experiencing an illusion, but at least now I know what it will feel like and how to react better.
The mistakes are often what make us all better in the long run if we are able to admit and learn from them. Now if only Covid didn't prevent me from doing the checkride I was a week out from... Gonna be rusty as hell trying to prep for a checkride again. :/
Bugger about the timing of your checkride! Good luck for it!
Thanks for sharing your experience, Logan!
Don’t beat yourself up. A good pilot is always learning! Great job. I would recommend taking a CFII with you next time for safety!
I would think he would know that is an option goof
Thank you for sharing this experience, I think that honesty and openness with mistakes in the GA community directly contributes to saving lives down the line.
Love the fact that you’re not the typical macho CZcams pilot and you share your mistakes as a learning experience not just for yourself but for all your viewers as well.
I appreciate that! Thank you.
I am macho
You did good! It takes courage to admit mistakes, but its important you're continuously improving!
Great job posting this video, it’s easy to post the perfect stuff but it shows real character to post the mistakes too!
My father was a pilot so I've read quite a few articles about trusting your instruments at night or in clouds. Seeing an actual video along with your honest experience being shared really was brought back some long lost childhood memories. Appreciate it.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the message!
A really good ATC! Congrats on being so honest!
Good call on posting this video. During my IFR training in a helicopter, we went out at night over the desert and I got spatially disoriented by a few headlights on the road, giving me a false horizon. I agree with you, you can't describe the feeling, you almost have to experience it. The fight between what your brain is telling you and what your body believes is real.
I am only at the beggining of my, hopefully long carreer in aviation (PPL EASA), and I'd like to thank you for all your videos and even more specifically this video. Thanks for sharing your mistakes, it might save my life when I will be doing my IR.
Cheers from France
Thank you for the support and encouragement. I'm so glad you found this video useful.
Wow! Great episode! Walking the viewer through Spacial D in real time and the ensuing snowball of events.
Thanks for posting!
Thanks Juan- I appreciate that! Glad you enjoyed it. I hope it's useful for a lot of people.
I want to keep sharing my appreciation for your great content, filmmaking skills and humility. This was a great video and great lessons learned!
I like mistake videos. I feel like we all learn more from them than the ones where everything happens perfectly; because more often than not we make a mistake somewhere down the line. It's nice to see a mistake occur and how to respond if we havent seen it ourselves yet in life.
Appreciate the video. Let everyone learn from your mistakes.
I agree. By posting this, you're owning it, and more importantly, giving us insight and preparedness . Thank you for this. Keep'em coming.
Great job setting the example of accountability! That is brave of you to be so vulnerable on the internet no less! As a general aviation pilot who doesn't fly that much anymore...I think you're awesome. Thanks for sharing all of your content and for delivering complete flight videos with all the detail you do. It reminds me just how much success in flying (and in life) is in the details! Great job owning your mistakes and striving to be better in the air. It's honestly inspiring!
Wow thank you so much. That means a lot to me and keeps me going on the goals I have for this channel.
As a novice this is the 1st time I’ve had a clear breakdown explanation of the all mysterious ATC back and forth language/gibberish conversation with an awesome step by step airways chart guide....thank you and I look forward to more awesome adventures
Nice man! Love the honesty! Cant be a legend every flight!
Thanks for sharing! As a uh-60 pilot I always have someone sitting next to me to back me up in stressful situations, so I can imagine what it’s like being all alone single pilot. We all have flights that we don’t have a warm and fuzzy about but that’s what makes us better. IFR and especially true IMC flights are always good training
Thanks for posting this video, and keeping it real. I'm proud of how you handled the situation, and how honest you are with your errors. Well done, and keep practicing!
Such a great Video! I sure wish more aviation CZcamsrs would post more like this, instead of the "perfect" flight all the time. Its a learning experience for us as well! Thanks for sharing and stay safe!
Love that you share your own teachable moments!
Thanks! Hope it’s useful to others.
Solid video. Very relatable. In our pursuit to become perfect pilots, that ever unachievable goal, pride can get in the way of sharing our mistakes.
Thank you. I really appreciate how willing you are to use your experiences as a tool to teach the rest of us. Quickly becoming my favorite aviation channel.
Thanks for sharing this flight. It's good to know in advance that spatial disorientation is a lot harder to recover from that just staring at the instruments.
You are certainly NOT the only one who has learned from this flight. You’ve taught me also. Thanks.
Thanks! Glad the video was useful for you. :)
How nice to see the places that have seen me busy for my IR.
My new favorite channel! Quality vids! Love it!
Wow, thanks!
So glad I found your channel. I want to learn to fly within the next 5 or so years. It's fun to watch, learn, and dream. Thanks!
I hope you are able to pursue your desire to learn to fly. It's very fun and rewarding.
Thank you for the honesty. It's a great encouragement to others learning to "straighten up and fly right"
Just found you here from the scooter video and flipped over to this one. PA28-181 - G5's and a GNS530W - no AP and just started my IFR - and man can I relate to the altitude challenges - I was all over the place on a bumpy day last week and had a couple of reminders first from my instructor and once from ATC (I love how ATC does that so politely). Thank you for posting - I think most of us are not nailing every departure, altitude, communication, procedure change, approach, and landing (or even every taxi) so it makes me feel good that like you, I am learning from mistakes I (and others) make and improving and working to be as good and safe as I can be. Sincerely, thank you.
Thank you for this comment- I appreciate you taking the time to send it. I agree- I think most GA IFR pilots do not fly perfectly and looking back on mistakes in a critical way can be very helpful.
Great video. And for my family, as new to flying, I like seeing this. Thanks for sharing it.
Thank you for posting this video! I’m currently going for my private license right now and seeing that I’m not the only one to struggle at points is very reassuring!
Wow. so thankful for your willingness to post not just the great stuff but also the mistakes.... helps me become a better pilot, and is a goo dose of reality! thank you!
Glad you found it helpful.
Thx for sharing your “not perfect” flight. We all learned from this. And that made it perfect!
Thank you! I appreciate that!
7:42 your right hand tells the story of what you were feeling internally. Thank you for sharing this video even knowing it wasn’t your best flight. It will save other pilot’s lives potentially. 👍🏻👍🏻
We all learn way more when someone like yourself is willing to share. Thank you
Thanks for the encouragement!
Love the honesty of this video mate. The fact that you highlighted that currency does not necessarily equal proficiency speaks volumes of your airmanship. Congrats on another sensational share.
Glad you enjoyed it. Trying to keep it real over here. LOL :)
Great video. Every flight should be a learning opportunity! Keep up the proficiency!
Appreciate you sharing the vulnerability and honesty... it helps us all!
Just found this channel, Loving ALL of your videos. Very well done.
Awesome, thank you!
Thank you for posting this video. I am currently working on my Instrument now and it is really good to see other people mistakes to learn from. One of the things i love about aviation is people share their mistakes for others to learn. Thanks again.
Glad it was helpful! Good luck on your instrument rating. It is challenging but super fun.
This is the right approach to improve, owning mistakes...unfortunately we gain experience after actually we had required that experience in a situation... thanks for the honesty and analysis, which is really appreciated. Take care, many happy landings!
Thank you!
Compliments, there should be more video like this. Every one of us need to share to let other’s learn from our particular situation. This kind of video is one which saves life! Thank’s appreciate!
Absolutely the right call to post it, and I appreciate seeing what looked weird so I can be more ready when -- not if -- I deal with it, too. Thanks.
Thanks for the support.
I love your honesty and a great lesson for us all. I have always struggled with imc and your videos are a tonic. Thanks.
Good videos you are making! Thanks for sharing them! This especialy is a very informationve.
Great video! Thanks for deciding to go ahead and post it. Most instrument pilots have had similar experiences to yours at some point and this video is a great reminder of how easy it is to make mistakes.
Thanks for the support!
Thank you for sharing this with us!! As pilots we are always learning!
Can’t like this video enough! Not just the great courage of owning up, but also for showing what can go wrong. „To trust your instruments you first have to make sense of them“.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
I am currently working on my Instrument and this video was great. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
It is said: " If you want to learn, teach it to others". The video was enlightening. Thank you.
Thank you for posting this video. I am sharing to my instructor to discuss. I truly appreciate your willingness to put yourself out there for the benefit of your viewers. Sincerely. Thank you.
I appreciate that encouragement thank you.
Thanks for being authentic buddy, for me; it's frustrating having a bad flight sometimes, but it helps knowing that i'm not the only one!! Keep it up, thats great content
Thanks for the encouragement. No one is perfect and I think it's great to learn from our collective mistakes.
Glad you shared this...never be afraid to admit your mistakes...in this case, sharing them is helpful to other pilots.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you.
Thanks for your honesty !
Owning up to your mistakes in any situation is a noble trait. We all learn.
Thanks! Hopefully it is useful.
Great video. As a student pilot, this video have tought me more than some textbooks out there! Experience is all we have in order to make ourselves better pilots and you have managed to make your experience a learning tool not only for you, but for some of us. My instractor always says "learn from your mistakes and don´t let them discourage you", and you have nailed it. Great video!
Thanks so much. I’m not a CFI so definitely listen to your instructor. I’m glad my experience is helpful for you.
I love the way you explain things and show examples. Great video.
Amazing video. Starting my private license journey next year after moving to Phoenix and super thankful for your videos. Makes me feel like in the next seat learning. Cheers from Seattle
good luck on your flight training!
Wow brother, great vid! Smooth music! Your honesty and transparency is very very helpful and makes for a great debrief.
I appreciate that!
I really like your attitude Eric! Acknowledging your mistakes is the fastest way to perfection!
I appreciate that! and fully agree
I’ve been “starting my IFR training” for a couple of years now but finally starting to get serious with various ground schools. (King, Sportys, MzeroA and Rod Machado). I really appreciate this video that illustrates how easy it is to get behind the airplane. Honest dialog means so much more to me than the ego driven videos I see from a few other aviation vloggers. I’m so glad I found you.
Thanks so much for this comment and encouragement. Good luck on your IFR training. It is so rewarding once it all clicks!
Great video. I appreciate all of your explanations of everything
Thanks for watching!
Gotta say I love and watched all your vids. Amazing edits and content. Hopefully one day Ill get on a 6 seater myself. Thanks for all the knowledge you share!!
Thanks so much for the compliments. I'm really glad youre enjoying the videos. Take a good look at the Cherokee 6 when Its time - theyre great planes.
That hip hop instrumental beat at 3:30 seconds was killer! Just when I thought your videos couldn't get any cooler!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for sharing your experience! I will have my first IFR lesson next friday and I am really looking forward to it.
Enjoy! The IFR training is really challenging and fun. It made no sense to me for awhile and then one day it just clicked.
This was really real world stuff. Going in and out of the clouds is more disorienting than solid clouds. That is one heck of a routing. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for posting this! Great work
Glad you enjoyed it!
My favorite channel! Please keep posting
Thanks for the encouragement!
Thank you for sharing this. Working IFR now. The honestly about getting disoriented bumps you up a few more notches in my book. Enjoy your content. Best
Glad youre enjoying it!
Good man (and pilot) to own your mistakes and share!
Subscribed! That was a great video with intriguing dialogue and beautiful footage.
Thank you very much!
Thanks for posting this video. Really appreciated it and also shows some of the workload for an ILS flight.
Glad you enjoyed it!
good attitude with adequate IFR knowledge, Happy landings Capt
Thanks!!
Thank you for sharing your challenges with us. It makes everyone better.
Thanks for the support!
This was a great educational video and I loved that you kept it REAL.
So glad you enjoyed it!
This student instrument pilot appreciates you sharing this. Thanks so much.
glad you enjoyed it!
Positive approach for improvement. Nice😊 Fly high sir!!
Thanks!!!
Yooo! What a trip, that was so fun and interesting. Sweet one!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. Like everyone else I love the honesty. There are so many pilots in GA who are adverse to admitting these uncomfortable feelings especially in IMC. Refreshing to see honesty.
Thank you for the support. I appreciate it very much.
Excellent Video it’s the self awareness and a great reminder to not get complacent and always practicing and learning. Thanks for the video. I felt myself being there when I made mistakes but kept it to myself. Huge thanks.
Glad you connected with it. Thank you for the nice comment!
Great video. Appreciate the honesty. It’s so easy to forget to report things like outer marker when your brain is saturated, and still dwelling on recent missteps.
Thank you. Yeah I don't know why I spaced on it.
Just discovered your channel, IFR student getting ready for my check ride, Its very cool to see the mistakes as a 3rd person where I can review them and look at how you handled and how I'd handle them. Watching and entertaining, videos can also be good training. enjoyed it, looking forward to more. Cheers.
Glad it was helpful!
great video... Very candid about the "less than ideal" parts of the flight... (Plus your map animations are awesome!)
Thank you. I’m glad you enjoyed it.
Love your honesty in your debriefs mate, thank you
Thank you. I really appreciate that
@@SoCalFlyingMonkey just subscribed to your patreon :)
Great video SCFMonkey- we all make mistakes flying and need to learn from them. IMC will load up your brain fast. Glad you made it back safe.
Thanks 👍
Thanks for posting. I have yet to have a perfect flight, especially in IMC. I keep striving. The frustrating thing about spatial disorientation is that I seem to work through it and then it rears its ugly head in another flight. I need to keep seaking out imc. This is a wonderfully instructive video. Thanks for sharing it. Looking forward to more in IMC.
It creeps up on you when least expected. I also try to find the benign IMC conditions whenever possible.
Great video. Thanks for the honesty.
Thanks for watching!
Working on my instrument rating and this was helpful. I know if wasn't your best but also appreciate you sharing. We all learn from each other!
Glad it was helpful!
As an aspiring pilot I found this video very informative! The ease of which spatial disorientation can set in is incredible! Love your videos!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for sharing... I really enjoyed this video and what a breath of fresh air. Someone showing their mistakes so someone can learn....
Thank you for the supportive comment!
GREAT VIDEO and a learning content for everyone.
Thanks! Glad you found it useful!
We need to all learn from our mistakes! Thanks for sharing
Beautiful videos, editing, sound just great. Thanks for sharing. I learn a lot with your channel.
Thank you for the nice comment. I am glad you are enjoying the videos. More to come!
Awesome video and everyone make mistake. I'm over 1500 hours and still learning something new every flight. Love your videos!
Thanks for watching!