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    KA fellows Kim (US history) and Emily (Biology) continue their discussion of the theory of evolution and how Gilded Age sociologists mistakenly applied it to race and class.
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Komentáře • 49

  • @babo2oshka3
    @babo2oshka3 Před 2 lety +6

    You two have wonderful podcast voices!

  • @dulomdampu2902
    @dulomdampu2902 Před 6 lety +7

    So what is darwinsim and social Darwinism??

  • @joserivadeneira7361
    @joserivadeneira7361 Před rokem +2

    I don't think these girls are suited to talk about this. Clearly they did not understand what Spencer tried to say.

  • @MrSireel
    @MrSireel Před 4 lety +6

    This is a cultural marxist, critical theory review (aka an opinion piece) and not an anthropological review.

  • @timothypaulino8454
    @timothypaulino8454 Před 2 lety +4

    While I agree. One of the last point where we are 99.99% similar dna, you have to realize a 98% similarity is the difference between a chimpanzee and a human.

    • @babo2oshka3
      @babo2oshka3 Před 2 lety +1

      and one must also realize how similar we are to chimps

  • @peterchacko8644
    @peterchacko8644 Před 6 lety +2

    I think they were talking about the free market. How competition has the best products bubble up, how people are rich because they create value.

  • @Lagunabeachbikini
    @Lagunabeachbikini Před 6 lety +6

    8:44 mentions Lamarckian Evolution. "genetic traits that are acquired during your life, you don't pass those on"
    But now, new scientific research in the field of epigentics indicates that learned traits can be passed on.
    See "Was Lamarck right? Epigenetic research suggests we might inherit learned traits. But how?" in Genetic Literacy Project.

  • @joserivadeneira7361
    @joserivadeneira7361 Před rokem +1

    But if the government helps, isn't that reducing variation as well? I do not agree with everything he said but survival of the fittest actually increases variation in my eyes. How many people stays poor because of that help? And how many would actually beat poverty if other traits were given to them?

  • @dmitryfedorov114
    @dmitryfedorov114 Před 8 lety +13

    Why is Social Darwinism taken on from purely biological standpoint? Evolution is about adaptation, but adaptation may occur not only to viruses or predators - it may occur in social environment too; some populations may have traits that are beneficial to social conduct more than others. Especially if model of social conduct was piloted by Western/Northern European cultures and then spread all over the world?

    • @KokuzumaHatena
      @KokuzumaHatena Před 6 lety +5

      Yeah but know, it's the same as saying that the nobles were genetically determined to be nobles and that the peasants were genetically determined to be poor at the service of the nobles. The Nobles/Peasants and monarchical system in general was a system that lasted a very long time in history. But revolutions have arrived, and the social classes have moved well : the peasants have become bourgeois, the bourgeois have become politicians, and the new bourgeois can also become politicians if they want.
      There is nothing genetic, just human relationships.

    • @GreenPhysics87
      @GreenPhysics87 Před 6 lety +6

      This is absolutely correct, Dmitry!
      Most of mainstream academics, including khan academy, has not caught up yet with accurate, mature, rigorous theoretical frameworks for understanding cultural evolution.
      One of the key adaptations of homo sapiens is the capacity for cooperation. One of the key adaptations that propels our capacity for cooperation is our extraordinarily high propensity for behavior replication.
      Once you have creatures with very large population numbers, and very many small groups that are replicating behavior with high fidelity, an evolutionary process begins to occur to the behaviors being replicated. And then complex design begins to arise. Over enough time, civilization evolves.
      Humans did not "invent" civilization. Civilization happened to humans by an evolutionary process that is operating completely independently of the genes (although, of course, these"independent" evolutionary processes influence each other profoundly in highly complex ways).
      A genuine, mature, and wise study of "social Darwinism" recognizes that social systems (behaviors, beliefs, lifestyles, and other norms) spread and evolve over time through a Darwinian, natural selection process that is occurring to replicating behaviors... NOT to replicating genes.
      Cultural Evolution is not about a process of selecting for genes to get copied or not. Which is to say, It is not about which genetic information gets selected for, Which is to say, it is NOT about which INDIVIDUALS live or die... It is about which BEHAVIORS, BELIEFS, AND SOCIAL NORMS "live" our "die"... Which get copied and spread to other human minds, and which do not. It is about what CULTURAL information is replicating and being selected for.
      Evolution happens ANYTIME information sets are copied over and over again, with variation, and only a very small subset of those sets of information are able to be successfully copied. Life, that is, living systems are packed full of interdependent, but distinct, layers of evolutionary processes.
      Given enough time, an evolutionary process acting on genes will produce a vast, complex array of adaptations that utilize different kinds of evolutionary processes that empower highly adaptive responses... Far more adaptive than genetic evolution could ever be in it's time scales.
      Humans did not invent civilization. It evolved out of our interactions over time. Humans did not invent language. It evolved out of our interactions.
      If we wish to understand our social systems and have any chance of intelligently managing our social systems, we MUST recognize them as products of an evolutionary process that is distinct from (but not isolated from) genetic evolution.

  • @chissstardestroyer
    @chissstardestroyer Před 2 lety +2

    Sounds like Spencer was in league with Lycinco from Russian Cold War history era: he too believed that if you acquire a trait in your lifetime that that trait will be passed on to your offspring- including completely cuckoo stuff at that.
    He had something of a green thumb, but his biology theories were off the wall weird! Unfortunately for science behind the Iron Curtain, Stalin liked him, and proclaimed that he was right; so thus their theories and grasp of science went backwards really rapidly almost immediately!

  • @chissstardestroyer
    @chissstardestroyer Před 2 lety

    For "race" think "subspecies", same exact kind of creature, different ethnic group at least.

  • @MrSireel
    @MrSireel Před 4 lety +1

    Why does your interpretation of inheritable negate actual passing on of knowledge instead of physical attributes?

  • @Seekmosttoprophesy
    @Seekmosttoprophesy Před 8 lety

    Science and education is what you can know. You can't know mindless things made OR remade you billions of times!

  • @bfree7415
    @bfree7415 Před 4 měsíci

    I "think" that if you would stop using so much the expresion "I think" between each other, this pod cast would be more credebile. ... Well this is what "I think".

  • @anothermike4825
    @anothermike4825 Před 2 lety

    Survival of the most adaptable. That was Darwin.

    • @hihello8771
      @hihello8771 Před rokem

      Exactly why african americans dont assimilate well into western societies, theyre too present-oriented.

  • @titoburritoisthebestcommun6738

    Why don’t you guys talk about the significance of social Darwinism in American history, instead of trying to prove its ideas false(which they are). It seems like the focus of your analysis is on convincing people Social Darwinism is incorrect instead offering insight on its effect and role in society. The analysis you gave was taught full, but focused on a obvious and weak point of contention, that doesn’t really exist.

    • @titoburritoisthebestcommun6738
      @titoburritoisthebestcommun6738 Před 6 lety +1

      On another note, the study of history is not about critiquing the moral standards of our forbearers but instead it is about trying with an empathetic constitution to better understand their decisions and motivations. To fully envelop ourselves in their experience and completely dedicate our analysis to understanding their lives, not to simply fall into judging their moralities.

    • @isukiri9987
      @isukiri9987 Před 4 lety +5

      @@titoburritoisthebestcommun6738 If we don't criticize our ancestors we are going to repeat their mistakes.

  • @darkspartan806
    @darkspartan806 Před rokem

    Me watching this while breeding super Rex's for boss battles in ARK: Survival Evolved.

  • @umairansari912
    @umairansari912 Před 8 lety +4

    We want Sal Khan!

  • @WrightsFragment
    @WrightsFragment Před 5 lety +1

    Just a quick note, it wasn't just England that colonised India and Africa as you note at 8:08, it was Great Britain. Using England and Britain interchangeably is problematic .

  • @Seekmosttoprophesy
    @Seekmosttoprophesy Před 7 lety +3

    Bacteria resistance to drugs is the equivalent of cutting off your hands so you can no longer be handcuffed.

  • @Seekmosttoprophesy
    @Seekmosttoprophesy Před 7 lety +2

    Drug resistant bacteria don't just pop into existence, they are variations of bacteria that are already there.

  • @myjourney8339
    @myjourney8339 Před 8 lety

    according to epigenetics you most certainly pass on acquired genes.

  • @richardherberthenkle2817
    @richardherberthenkle2817 Před 5 lety +1

    I think it would be best if we discuss the first origins of Social Darwinism from Sir Francis Galton--the COUSIN OF CHARLES DARWIN--that and what Mr. Darwin wrote in The Descent of Man in 1871, was Contemporary to what Galton was teaching...That leads me to postulate that Charles Darwin was pushing this RACIST idea himself---among his associates---who published names. We need to pin this where it STARTS.

  • @filrabat
    @filrabat Před 7 lety

    A great, if long (5 or 6 pages) read is "What Darwin Did Not Mean: How Social Darwinism Fails Us", by J. Wes Ulm.

  • @johndelong5574
    @johndelong5574 Před 3 lety

    Darwin was convinced that white race was more evolved (favoured).

  • @Stevesrssrssrs
    @Stevesrssrssrs Před 7 lety +2

    We should bring colonialism back, right guys?!!