The *3* Tiers of Men - Which Are You?
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đ„ Are you Sub5, Normie, Chad part 1: âą Are you Sub5, Normie o...
In this video I break down the 3 tiers of men, showing:
- What each of the tiers are
- Plenty of examples for the men in each tier
- What your chances are in the dating market given your tier
- How to know what tier you are in
- What to do if you are in the middle tier (normie)
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I was dying laughing, this is funny as hell.
I would very much enjoy a conversation regarding this subject matter with this content creator- wheat waffles. if you are inclined to do so please respond at your convenience.
@@fortheloveofnoise I like what he said about living in the basement and playing video games. ha ha
Looks like I'm a chad
Time to unleash the power đ
LMFAOOOOOO!!!!!
My worst nightmare, is Wheat Waffles finding my picture somewhere online, and putting it in sub5 category in one of his videos.
lmaooooo
Hilarious
"Well....... at least my face is good for something"
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At the end, was on point incredibly precisely. When a girl is really attracted you and wants to date you everything is effortlessly. There are no doubts.
True but sometimes alot of people play "games" to try to make you more attracted to them. I've dealt with this before of women constantly leading me on then randomly going cold and constantly doing this over and over again. And i've learned to avoid women like this too.
@@painexotic3757 I don't doubt your experience and I understand it. Doesn't happen to me anymore to me. I just ignore woman unless there's a real reason to interact with them. In the gym (gym rat here), I have girls attempt to talk to me (to be clear, I'm not a stud a and I'm just a normie) and I keep my hat really low and have headphones. It's clear I don't want to talk to them. As in, I attempt to minimize all interactions with woman. I'm into weight lifting, with a shaved head (an ex-military thing), and always have a stoic look (I don't smile and never look at woman in any capacity, I've gotten so good at it... it's become 2nd nature).
Every relationship I've ever been has always been a lady that has constantly attempted to interact with me. It always starts the same. They ask for help or we work together, to some degree. It begins to blossom from that point. I NEVER give any hints that I'm attracted to them. Why? Because it ALWAYS leads to rejection. Thus, the reason why I stopped chasing a long time. Ironically, I've always been attracted to girls who are about a 5-6, at most. But the relationships I've had have been with 7-8's.
Now that I think about it, your comment makes a lot of sense when girls do show interest, my friends tell me why don't you go talk to her. She's clearly interested. 100% of the time, my rebuttal is ALWAYS the same... she's only attempting to be interested because I'm not giving her any attention, like the majority of men do. If I show any interest, it will stop. I'm surprised on the number of men who still don't understand that.
Woman pick up on when you're genuinely not interested. I wouldn't dare call that a "strategy" it should be a lot of men's reality. Most woman could care less about the majority of men.
@@copemaxxing4306 Yes. Women do it either to tease or appear more attractive since they assume that seeming busy/occupied or seeming like you have alot of options will make you more desirable. There are literally channels and forums based on this where women teach other women how to play games lol.
@@copemaxxing4306 I agree heavily with your last sentence lol
@@ErwinSchrodinger64 bruh chill
A few months ago my eldest daughter asked if I still had my passport from when I moved to Canada from the uk. Luckily I did and she was shocked how good looking i was in my 20's. She then asked what happened(i'm 53) and without losing a step I replied '20 years of living with your mother'.
:D
@@808Efe Ikr so wholesome
@Peter Grabovsky duh its obvious he is freaking 53 now
@Peter Grabovsky itâs almost guaranteed to get fatter and have less hair when you are in your 50s
@@user-pd9xj1bt4e my grandpa keep all his hair until he died at 102 years old, and he even didn't have too good of a diet.
1:29 that was fun af lol
@@ddgb1669 lmao wtf how old r u
Hamza slowly becoming a blackpill enjoyer lol
Guys, if you wonder, this guy is chad âŹïž
Have u seen wheat waffles face? Whats ur rating
The 3 tiers of men:
Jeffrey
Normie
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As a sub-5 southeast asian with social anxiety, this video just makes me focus on myself. Ignore relationships, stack money and muscles. Focus on my hobbies.
You should have been doing so regardless anyways
Most southeast asian males are very unattractive
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Hurts to be a sub 5. But it is what it is.
Lmao
It's not you it's the cultures of modern society
Us
Relatable
@@VarietygamingT
Come on. it's not a culture of modern society, it is a brutal reality. Some people are just very very handsome and make women go crazy about you and other guys make them feel repulsive. This is a brutal fact of life.
As a Christian I wonder why God had to create this immense injustice and unfairness and allow it to continue for such a long time.
I was and am a normie. At 61, and looking back, this information from Wheat Waffles would have been so helpful. What I can say is that as a normie, I enjoyed my late 30s, 40s, and 50s in terms of relationships with women than I did my teens, twenties, and early 30s when the Chads simply dominated. However, I think the young normies and sub-5s today have it much more difficult than I had it. Social media and other influences have made people, in general, much more spoiled and delusional than when I was younger. Wheat Waffles has touched on this, and is spot on when he references dating apps. What I like about WW's posts is that he puts to rest all of that BS that "dating counselors" have lied to us for years about. That is to say, that some steps in how to approach women and work on confidence has some relevant proportional effect on success in getting women. It does not. Looks dominates, and the rest is meaningless. Some people would say, then, what is the solution to this problem? There is none. But it is better to understand and admit what is than to be delusional when it comes to reality.
Well, I always put it to the test thinking what an ugly woman could to to get my heart. Practically nothing, it's biology.
So why do we get surprised? Bc we were lied about "don't worry, grow up and become rich and famous and girls will hunt for you?" An old joke and also was for the minority of lucky rich ones.
Your story perfectly falls into category of middle to sub nornies, when you get laid after 30's, as you get some money and status. Upper normies perhaps have a more vivid sexual life till 30, but not without hurdles and trying hard.
There is nothing surprising in your story, it's quite ordinary of the ordinary guy. Stable sexual life after 30, nothing particularly bad, nothing particularly vivid in terms of woman. But having an average woman is much better than none. It's like having a car or not. Just not a luxury one.
Perfectly worded, I agree
I'm 50, I also am and was a normie. I was probabaly a 6.5 or 7 in my 20's , now probably a 5.5, who knows. I agree with you 100%.
Holy shit why are there so many old looksmaxxers
Facts!!!
As a sub 5, one thing about black pill is that it has given me peace. I don't stress myself about what women think of me because I know they wouldnt date me anyway. I find happiness doing things I love doing. Video gaming, focusing on my career and being there for my friends and family.
What I'm not going to do is betabuxxing. For me that would be more insulting myself. That I have to work hard, improve my career and life while a woman is probably having the time of her life with Chad right now.
But regardless thank you and the black pill community. Everyone is supportive and it's nice being a part of a community that understands how things work and won't force feed me cope.
Yeah bro dont do betabuxxing. That's what I like about redpill.
Exactly, you hit the nail on the head. If you know women won't date you, focus on other things that make you happy. This is how it should be. We don't have to be bitter about women, just let them be. Sure, we may have moments of loneliness, but we just push foward.
Great comment. Whatâs most insulting about blue pill is that the coping advice they give you is worse than the black pill harsh truth in the long run.
They think theyâre better people by telling you sweet lies but they arenât. They do it because itâs easier for THEIR interaction with you. They get credit for âbeing positiveâ and come off as a friend that believes in you when they know walking away from their interaction with you that youâre going to only get rejected and confused following their advice.
Stay strong brother, you are on the right path
@@YungPhilosopher why waste money on fruitless things
The only thing I would add is that, in my experience, social context matters a lot when you're talking to women in a non online dating context. I found that if a girl is in a clique, or is a popular girl, or superficial (regardless of her looks level) she'll be infinitely harder to attract than otherwise. I've had one night stands with women but have always rationalized it with "oh she was a nanny who dropped out of college" or "she just moved here from another state and hasn't met any friends yet". Those things are important too.
Of course. There are literally an infinite number of variables that go into it. Is she rebounding? Is she on her period? Does she have a type? Is she sapiosexual? Etc.
He chose to make a 10min video so he only covered the main variable: Looks.
The main variables ordered by weight are LMSG: Looks, money, status, game.
Mannnnnn bro nobody talks about that Iâve smashed so many women out of my league from high school into my early 20âs but when I look back on it in most them cases the chick just moved to my city or she was just visiting a family memberâŠyou right bro social content matters a lot especially these days thatâs why I tell dudes who are normies to make as many friends as possible hell even get friends with some women because the more people that know u the better your chances will be..
@@ThomasFoolery8 I would say status matters more than money, you can be a rich NEET, but w0min would rather date an employed guy who at least has a social circle.
@@jokerpilled2535 money and status are generally interchangeable because one usually begets the other. That said, I can see your perspective. Ultimately, I think it depends on the woman and her preferences.
I personally think more women in this world would prefer a rich boring dork with no friends over some popular guy who has some local status as the lead singer of the cover band at the local bar, but he lives in a dingy little apartment.
@@ThomasFoolery8 that depends on the age group, 30 yr old roasties looking for a betabux would prefer the dork. Young college aged chicks would prefer the Chad in the dingy apt.
You're a diamond mannn the content is life changing
Wheat waffles is forever approaching. He will find your photo. There is no escape.
A masterpiece video as always. Can't wait for the one about niche markets. And guys, if you are clueless about your category, then you are a normie. It's the same case if you get conflicting feedback from the outside.
Spot on. It's hard for to take. Never had conflicting until now im.older bald and overweight. Now its always conflicting.
Yeah, but usually normies become sub5 when aging.
Correct. If women have used the words "gorgeous" and/or "beautiful" when describing your looks, you're automatically at least an 8. Women don't use those particular words all willy nilly.
@@NiceOCGuy1981 True, and yet their SMV tends to increase as they age because there is something much more important than looks. see if you can guess what it is (hint: it does not grow on trees)
@@handsomeX Likewise if the word "cute" is dropped, it usually pertains to a normie who has a niche market of girls and is somewhere in the 6-7 range. For instance, a feminine looking boy obviously isn't a chad and qualifies as a normie, but has an interesting niche market of bisexual girls and other guys that will show interest. Once I discovered this market I amplified these values and got into relationships a hell of a lot more. If normies find out what niche market they tick, they can focus on these values which can save them a lot of headache.
You're completely right about how women will make it "easy" when they like you. That's why there is no such thing as game. I have only experienced it a couple of times but it was a complete joke, I knew within 5 minutes of speaking to her that we would be having sex before the end of the night. That is basically how Chad experiences EVERY woman he meets in life, it must be like heaven.
No it isnât,
Can agree with you here. I never dated or went after women in my life, so I only had 2 women in my life, but these two I literally had to do nothing, they basicly jumped onto my lap. With women number two we are approaching the 3 year anniversary in February. Yea 3 years later we are still crazy after each other everytime we see each other. So if you find a women that shows no resistance, and you also find attractive and interesting to talk to: "Lock her down immediatly!" I am so glad that I found her and I dont have to deal with all the dating bullshit and stupid games...
But most important in a relationship is to keep doing your own thing, keep grinding and keep your masculinity up and dont become too emotionally and sensitive. Stay in your grind!
I've gotten this rarely too but I was too scared to escalate and also had such terrible social skills that I completely failed it the 8 times it's happened in the last 4 years
Thereâs no such thing as game! Only approaching the girl! If she finds you that attractive then you will know and she will be available for you!
There canât be that many Chads though as you have to be at least six foot in the west in order to be considered a Chad and that is only around 15% of the population! Then you have to take out all the men with ugly faces and thatâs a tonne! So maybe only 4-5% of men could have at some point in their lives had dating on easy street when they were at an age that was sexually relevant to women.
Or hell...
This reminds me of an activity we did in a Sociology class I took once. It had nothing to do with ranking/categorizing people by their perceived attractiveness but instead what supposed race you perceived them as. We were basically judging people by their face like this video did, and it just got awkward the longer we sat and looked at these peopleâs faces which made this activity unintentionally funny, especially when some people had very different answers. Although there was one student who whispered to another about one of the faces, âThis dude is ugly af.â in a different language other than English which I understood and that made it even more funny.
That's is soooo accurate , you're taking words out of my mouth
I am over 50 years old chad. In my experince being a chad and getting women easily does not equal happiness in life. Actually those women with perceived âhigh valueâ can in fact quite often be narcissistic shedevils. So if you are Sub 5 or Normie, I recommend not to worry too much. True and lasting happiness is found within yourself.
True , many people dont know this.
I used to think like this but relying on girls validation or compliments is not worth it.
Cuz U can point out that u got a girl fliring with u yesterday but the next day u feel empty again and want another. And another another etc.
I was with one of those she devils.. She looked like Daryl Hanna in Splash for reference. I thought I was in love. Its a long story including a Christian revival but I was cold turkey for about a decade until I married and it was not an American girl. I remember sitting in college and listening to feminist bitching. I remember thinking, OK, I'm out. When I would add 10-15 lbs I would get into normie territory, and after college I was in the burbs so out of sight and out of mind. I did not have to watch Beaches or any of that crap anymore. The best thing that came from it was know i could live without it. If it were just American whamen I'd still be single.
Incels Don't have this experience,they will nto understand
I'm over 50 yrs old "normie/manlet" - I've never met a "Chad" who wasn't happy. You guys own the world of women! There are even average looking women these days who would rather share a Chad with several other women then settle down with average looking "normie." Lol. You guys are definitely the "haves" when it comes to the genetic lottery of good looks. All many of us normies & manlets can do is just watch with envy. đ
@@nomad6086 what would u rate me based on my pic
The last minute is pure truth: the girls with whom I ever had some "action" never gave me resistance or played hard to get, indeed sometimes they were more proactive than me. On the other hand every time certain girls started "playing hard to get" I knew it was sign I had to give up and get over them.
Thatâs just normal. The best advice I took from the red pill is that when a girl is really into you , she will make it easy for you. She wouldnât care if you Spend money on them or not. They will buy you food and stuff. Thatâs when you know sheâs into you. If she plays hard to get and seems very uninterested when talking to you , leave asap and donât waste your time and energy in girls who doesnât like you back like that. Some girls might find you somewhat attractive also but they will still play hard to get and keep you as an orbiter. If sheâs not sexually attractive to you , move on period
moral of the story don't simp for women, be indifferent and better yourself for you so that you fell healthy mentally and physically.
âShe is not hard to get, you are just hard to wantâ stop coping buddy boyos
@@emanuelmma223 Lmfao good way to put it.
@@dirkdiggler2379
If is were that EASY. The sex industry dies tomorrow. And women would start being nice to men.
Its MEN who make women what they are. Never forget that. And WEAK men who have no control over their urges and sex drives. Allow these women to be the way they are.
Imagine a woman who dresses all sexy and knows shes attractive to men was ignored on a night out. What would that do to her EGO?
Total destruction...Men cant help themselves. So the GAMES go on and on and on.
This is sooo true. Been thinking this in mind for many years as Iâve been an adult. and this video summarized it perfectly.
I was judging this video at the beginning but it's actually very well done đ
*9 things to quit for all Strong Men:*
1. Caring about what others think
2. Not believing in yourself
3. Not experimenting different ideas / solutions for problems (life&business)
4. Not prioritizing your health
5. Wasting your precious time
6. Wanting something (instead write a plan and work towards it)
7. Chasing meaningless relationships
8. Wasting time by scrolling social media
9. Quitting addictions for good (if you have any - consider stopping it as it makes you mentally weak + affects your confidence and all other areas of your life!) đ
Take it easy and I hope you found one thing helpful in this list.
stupid addictions... xD
I'll make sure to quit quitting addictions. That should be easy enough.
Redpill shit always crosses over with Wheat Waffles lol
This is legit red pilled Advice ! i like it lol !
Thats really good king, I agree.
Hey Wheat love the part where you say sub5's don't even get the luxury of being friendzoned, because even though i consider myself normie tier i noticed the same issue where due to my aspergers syndrome i cannot even be friendzoned women i find attractive which i hear men complain about. I came up with a term for the zone worse than friendzone I call it hellozone as the most i'll get from women is a hello once in a while lol
You aren't a normie dude.
I'm 6'1', 200 pounds, very muscular and athletic, relatively good looking viking with a deep voice, 125+ IQ and have no problems initiating contact with women - but as soon as my aspergers kicks in it's game over. Aspergers turns an otherwise 8/9 into an 0/1. Aspergers is hell on earth.
Trust me, the hellozone is a better place to be than the friendzone.
@@randomyoutubecommenter4 Having aspergers is more like "avoid-at-all-cost" zone.
@@TTTT-oc4eb sorry dude that sucks.
I'm 6 foot and I had a friend who's six five.
We were very open and his dick was 2/3 of mine... He told me once is that fair? Your dick looks huge on your body while mine looks tiny on mine.
Can't disagree
His dick was average for the world. 5" and I have in my later years realized that size really isn't that important.
But it crushed his ego and therefore crushed his chances.
He was a big well built guy too. But he was terrified of the first sex encounter so he never closed.
So informative, thank you!
This has to be one of the most rational videos I've seen all year. It makes perfect sense. Every word.
Not really I think confidence plays a huge part and correlates with your looks which deters non chads from getting good looking women
I got all of them right, it was so obvious
I tried making the last 2-3 trickier
There were several normies that should be downgraded. đ€ą
@@WheatWaffles yes but, generalization makes things much obvious and less painful for people who don't understand mathematics đ
@@AvocadoAtrocity no
@@WheatWaffles Honestly thought number 12 and 14 were sub 5. Guess my eyes aren't as keen as I imagined.
The Redpill literally applies to normies. When some find you attractive and others donât, edges matter. Game, confidence, perceived masculinity, social proof, having passions, a successful lifestyle and all the other things the Redpill teaches, will make or break a normie.
Chads get some of these for free: confidence comes naturally from the looks and reactions you get, which are also social proof. The rest is unnecessary, you can be a McDonalds employee and theyâll still want you. On the other hand, If youâre a sub5 none of these will matter in any way.
So the Blackpill is right when it says looks are the number 1 stat, but it doesnât mean Redpill is bs, it applies to normies.
No, it applies to men who attain their maximum genetics, in other words, looksmaxxing. There are people born with shitty genetics and even when they try looksmaxxing they won't change physically.
I can agree with this. Im in the normie category but because Ive been an accomplished musician and photographer for a long time its gotten me a some decent women when without those things I probably would have been overlooked. If you are a normie I suggest learning a cool hobby. Play guitar. Take up photography. Anything to boost your social status and make you seem more interesting.
@Polygon Indeed! Ive seen some rough looking guys pull some decent women because they were talented at music or art. Also its good for your own self esteem but it doesnt hurt in boosting your SMV!
Have to agree with this point. I went from a BLUE PILLED CHAD to a BLUE PILLED NORMIE and then to a RED PILLED NORMIE. The red pill is ideal for normies, I'm getting more attention and respect now, but not as much as my chad days
@@podcastjerks7341 I went from bluepilled sub5 (because of extreme skinniness and zero attention paid to looks) to redpilled sub5 to redpilled high-tier normie, thanks to looksmaxxing and focusing on myself. I am 6 foot with a normie face though. The blackpill is right that if I had been 5'6 I'd be absolutely doomed.
Pure facts spoken. Especially on the breakdown
Good stuff
Imagine being one of the guys in the sub 5 category photos, innocently coming here to watch this video and suddenly hit with this savage roast
If he would be honest, he would simply agree with the video while remembering his own life.
đđ life is not fair
More than a majority of men are normies we just get pushed down in a category because we try to equate ourselves to the medium women but since you're not a Chad the best thing to do is to leave women alone until you get your finances straight because they will never treat you right
Doesn't it bother you that they 'see' you when you get your finances straight?
@@lennertcornette it more than bothers it perturbs men see women for who they are and have to train themselves to see women in a different light whereas women have no problem you take so much potential in their head based upon what they perceive from him I don't understand how they perceive us to be equal
@@RetroColdBrewCabana I don't want to date women my age who weren't previously in a long relationship. I can't stand the fact that average looking women have all the fun and only when they get 30 they look for guys who are actually in their league and not above. But you rarely get to know that. I'm 31 years old, very fit, got my own place and a good job, yet the only women I attract are short and fat women. Social media is to blame. Men also try to date out of their league but rarely succeed and are happy to still get an average looking girl. Women only do that when they have hit the wall.
@@lennertcornette this is why I lot of men limit women by their age when it comes to the market because they made a conscious decision to not be with a man in a lot of cases have fun it's trickier with this generation because a lot of women are taking advantage of the fact that men were raised in feminist households and the oftentimes either cheated or interacted in open relationships so you got to know the details
@John Grigg Lol, thank goodness. Can't wait for western society to totally crumble đ
Spot on analysis! đđ
Thank you for this my guy
That final part of not having to analyze texts or think too much is so true.
One of the best things in life is when a woman is willing to colaborate and offers no resistance to you.
The sad part is that unless you are Chad that is super rare.
and if they cooperate, then the shit tests start. hypergamous doubt for the win!
@@Leocifre true, I think even a lot of the time with Chad they wonât do anything until they are absolutely sure he is high value and look for any weakness and reason not to
@@Leocifre no
@@warrenw.4738 ok
Their willingness to cooperate is almost always ephemeral anyways. Women are so capricious, they don't even know what they want.
This content is god tier bro. This kind of information was never available to me 10 years ago. You are doing a service for the community. You're helping young men navigate this crazy dating world. Keep up the good work.
Yes it was lol u havent seen it
@Rock Lee no even the research was there 10yrs ago. The theory was there since early 2000s when âThe Gameâ was written and Rollo Tomassi and those guys all created the âmanosphereâ.
Their theory was correct, but people could claim itâs anecdotal data, so the hard data came to corroborate the theory in the OkCupid blog around 2010 and subsequent book Dataclysm published by Christian Rudder (founder of OKC) in 2014.
Almost all of WWâs stats come from Dataclysm and other red pill content creators. He does a great job slicing it up and presenting it though and applying it to 2022.
@Rock Lee no youâre just wrong. I love WW but he isnât creating any of his own research. Heâs just taking data from other research studies or reinforcing concepts that have already been proven to a new audience in a new way. Anyone who has read Dataclysm has seen all of these charts, tables, graphs and figures.
The only problem with this analysis is the limitation of the social environment and biology. Women do not live in a social media bubble.
They have to talk to men, earn a living and need somewhere to live. A women for example who lives in an extreme society will adjust her expectation on the basis of social hierarchy. It is the reason why in the historical world an brute ugly man could marry an extremely good looking women.
Modern tv driven media has papered over the cracks and create a fake culture that will all come crashing down at some point through reality.
This by the way happened at the period at the end of the 1800s to late 1920s and reality then set in during the period of the 1930s to 1960s and then became absurd again.
The idea of the independent women who can boss men is not new and has happened before and collapsed.
This video is 1OO% spot on. Thank u for your service soldier
I now realized I am a sub5. Everything in my life make perfect sense now. Thank you.
That's spot on: if she's into you, she won't make it hard for you. If she makes it hard for you, she's not into you, and you can stop wasting your time and look somewhere else.
It's pretty fucking depressing looking at the comments on this video. Seems to be full of people that hav just given up on things because videos like this taught them that they were in some kind of rank system and are regarded as a lesser person. I could imagine some of them don't even look that bad, but when they have obstacles in their way they tell themselves it must be because they're ugly and theres not much they can do about it. Then they come here and preach about how good it has been to let go of their hopes and dreams. Wow.
Great video dude. Subscribed.
best vid so far on the subject
So true. I always knew I was a mid tier normie. Anyone could be considered higher tier with gym time, the right attitude and maybe some money. A lot of work to still be a normie though. Chad's are born Chad's and you'll always be dumped for a Chad.
Even Chad's are dumped for other Chad's
Yeah but chad's get to dump also. As a normie, even if you get 'lucky' it's always a matter of time before you're dumped. You never get to dump and it eats at you. With each rejection your confidence goes down.
@@youtubesucks2755 if you wanna win the game bro; don't play. Unless you won the genetic lottery, you're only gonna get used, squeezed for all you have and thrown away. Focus on yourself and do what you enjoy and you'll find confidence
@@youtubesucks2755 not true at all I dumped a girl for her friend after she put on weight and I'm pretty average.
Man don't be put off. I have spent my life as a normie, decided to change things. Got my teeth straightened, had a nose job and hit the gym. Best things I ever did. Slid a few marks up the scale and life changed!!
@@youtubesucks2755 I am high tier normie(some not so attractive girls shows interest in me) . I hope looksmaxxing will help me become at least a chadlight .
High level demonstrated knowledge of your subject matter - 1) engaged the viewer with game to classify mens' faces 2) logical explanation and 3) invitation to enjoin with discussion. This is 10/10 level content. You summed up in a few minutes what usually takes hours to explain.
Noice!
I find your definition of friend zone interesting : a waiting room for men that could be used in worst case scenario
On point !
I think you can go more into depth on the subcategories within the categories. For example a low tier normie (a 5) will have very different experiences compared to a Chadlite (a 7). Even in the Chad category a Gigachad (a 10) will have a different life compared to a standard (8) Chad.
I think the big story of our time is how women's hypergamy has put more and more normies into a situation where their experiences share much in common with sub-5's, while Chad has pulled away and is more successful than ever before.
Yea true i was a chad in highschool and my cousin was a gigachad, difference is the top tier girls wanted a relationship with me when all i wanted was a one night stand and they werent going for that it was relationship or nothing. While they wanted a relationship with my cousin they wanted him so bad they were ok with one night standing just to have the small chance of becoming his girl.
A man who is a 3 but who is very successful, confident and has physical prowess will have as much success with good looking women as a Chad.
Women do not select men on the basis of looks and that is even more so at the top tier of women because those women have a mental model in their heads of a successful life. In the real world looks do not have a direct correlation to success.
@@bighands69 Sounds like Jeff Bezosđ
@@longjohn112
There are countless examples of this even at the local level where a small business owner who is a 3 will have a wife that is much better looking than they are. The whole idea of the secretaries having a relationship with the boss is very real.
It is the reason why you will find a male school teacher who is educated and has a good income married to a women that came from a lower socioeconomic class and has no career.
No matter what people try to say women still understand biology.
I think that this is why he made it into three groups, I'm a Sub 5 and women are universally repulsed by me, so I had to go to the Far East. My experiences were the same with other Sub 5's both far above and far below my level of attractiveness.
I mostly agree, although I have to say: in my experience people who get all the girls online aren't just good looking (7s or 8s): they're very good looking (9s and 10s), an 8 still has to take care of himself and go hunting to get something. On the other hand I've seen "normies" with great social circles and personality get way more game than people who were at least two points above them.
Looks matter, but so does going out and trying: even the best looking guy on earth can't wait for girls to come to him, because one in a hundred will do that, if any.
Horse shit
true, i am 22 years old and i was rated 7 with potential of 8 by him, but i am introverted + i have social phobia, i have not had a girlfriend for 5 years. I don't leave the house
Exactly
This is cope, sorry to say.
"Looks matter, but so does going out and trying: even the best looking guy on earth can't wait for girls to come to him, because one in a hundred will do that, if any."
Not true, at all. As an introverted 8, I always had gfs basically since I turned 16 to now almost 40. I never hit on any girl, I never asked a girl out, I never approached one. They always did. You are certainly NOT an 8 if you have to put in the effort. Not meant in a disrespectful way, but as an 8 you do not have to do the work to have 7s approach you on a weekly basis just going grocery shopping for example. Also on Tinder, they just hit you up and chat you up. Like it does not require any sort of game bs.
@@jeffb.140 na
Underrated CZcams channel
Nice advice
There's so much potential for this channel if you can keep pumping out content with this level of quality. Not only that, this content can actually save people decades of torment of not understand the game. Personally I still don't see any reason to get married though. I expect your content will evolve in certain ways overtime and I'm interested in seeing how it changes and what new things you learn. Keep up the great work, brother!
It's blatantly wrong content for anyone that goes outside.
@@matt566 you must be new give it time the brutal honesty will bring you back for more and more.
@@nothanksfools It's not honest if you touch grass.
That's my point.
@@matt566 COPE you know this shit is true especially if you âTouch grassâ
@@trentward2725 yeah okay. see a therapist.
âMan is a mystery. It needs to be unraveled, and if you spend your whole life unraveling it, donât say that youâve wasted time. I am studying that mystery because I want to be a human being.â
Fyodor Dostoevsky
Well, only if people spent time reading dostoevsky's novels instead of ranting on youtube.
These generalizations are spot on.
Normie squad whatâs up my brothas!!!! Down with the establishment
I think this is your best video so far. It's clear and to the point, no baggage, effective communication of the info in 10 mins that most people would take hours to talk about, and anyone can easily understand it.
I'm grateful to be a Chad. Never had issues with women and always had an abundance. I remember distinctively when I was in HS, one of my friends in my class asked me "Why is it when you tease or joke with the girls, they laugh and are playful with you? But whenever I do it, they always seem to be disgusted." That's when I started realizing that it's because of my looks and confidence.
Bro are u conveniently attractive?
@@kefirkefir3262 I'm mixed. 6'1" 200lbs and a 9 at my physical peak. I've had women ask me out countless times. I've had them call me gorgeous, hot, sexy, etc. you name it. I've had my ass grabbed plenty of times out in clubs and parties. I even had one of my college friends who had a chick in his class see my picture and told him to tell me that she wanted to get piped.
This behavior from girls was already noticable when I was in kindergarten and into elementary school. I remember these two girls running up to me in class and gave me kisses. I was shocked and didn't know how to react. I also had a group project with 3 other girls, and our initial group meeting, we sat at a table and they all giggled at me said "All 3 of us have a crush on you!"
So interpret that however you want. I'm just sharing some of my actual life experiences with women, not to brag, but to enlighten the community by a man who never had problems with women.
@@kefirkefir3262 Just to add on from one of my experiences, regarding money, when I was 22 I was banging this 24 year old El Salvadorian chick. Everytime we would see each other, it was straight lust. She had a boyfriend she was with for 5 years, and I asked her one time "why are you with him if you always come to me to get laid?" She clearly said "because him and his family are wealthy." That was a big red pill moment for me.
@@kefirkefir3262 I don't have social media anymore since I got with my current lady. This was back in 2015-16. Mainly because of the distraction, but also I had to hide a lot of my past. She doesn't know about my past like that. I always tell her that she was my 3rd GF ever, which is technically true from a romantic standpoint, but I got lost in counting how many girls I've slayed and a lot of them were on my FB.
@@wrbk19 bro how old are you. Sorry for my autism I'm just really curious how ur face look like. Can you describe your facial feauture and ratios. And I can rate faces really accurately
Brilliant mate...well done...ive experienced what you said very thoroughly..
You didn't mention very important thing - age. I can say from my own experience, as a 19 years old guy, that women my age find me normal, but the ones 3-5 years younger thinks I am a chad and I often catch them staring at me. This rule applies to teenagers and people in 20s, and since you didn't mention it, I wanted to point this out.
Get to the point where older women look at u like a chad. Thatâs what Iâm working towards.
@@BaLLdA_Games You just gotta overal improve your self not just financially. For example working out, dressing better, improving your confidence, etc. Older women find these things attractive
This says like this for a looong time. I'm close to 40 and young women (18-25) hit on me all the time. Stay awesome, guys đȘ
@@BaLLdA_Games not really, in my experience milfs dont care about money when looking for younger men. Lol They are more then happy to pay for everything so long as they find you attractive and can hold deep/ interesting conversations
@@ivangutierrez738 Why? I'd much rather have am 18-22 year old at my current age of 26, than even a woman my age in most situations. Why would I want 30 year olds?
Iâm a low tier normie, but I learned to be happy with it. On a scale of 1-10, Iâm a 4, but I accepted it. No matter what improvements I make (workout, diet, money, etc.), my humility will keep me at a 4. Just be happy, act naturally, and life will be good to you.
I'm got ranked 4.5 with a potential of 5 if i lose weight .
@@Moesie You are 6 atleast
â@donk8105i mean. I do not wanna be rude. I do not know how her coment affected u. But she was not far with her coment in regards to smell. Imagine u walk around city and smell of urine and piss for example takes over your nose. And u see a homeles guy next. He might be. Agood fella, but u are not gonna think of him highly, becouse smell is just too much.
â@@Moesie that's harsh. U have nice jawline
Imagine randomly watching CZcams videos and seeing your face being used for rankings and it says Sub 5 hahahahaha
Looool
My goodness
"I...I must be in the c-chad category, right.. ? Oh, s-sub 5 ? Ok..."
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My worst nightmare
Very good video
As a sub 5 in my teens converted through to a normie into my twenties, Iâve spotted that you missed off the relationship link in your diagram at 05:40.
From pov Iâve had a ONS with all 3, used the bottom tier when I came out of significant relationships for validation and bring confidence back, got into 3 significant relationships with normies and had casual things with high tier.
Obviously most significant relationships come from the normal tier so it would be good to add that in.
Just found your Channel, and find it mostly entertaining and interesting. Good stuff, you have a great eye and have educated me on the art of facial construction.
Almond eye and hunter eyes, never even knew it as a thing. As I walk around London I constantly find myself looking into these things haha.
Keep it up mate.
worse is when you looked great in your teens and that faded in your 20s.....good thing I have my fiancé, I don't have to worry about it anymore
Wheat Waffles is a genius. I have seen these situations play out over and over again.
Same.
Iâm glad that you mentioned social awareness,although brief,but thatâs a really important aspect of trying to find someone to date
5'75 normie here, this was accurate overall and specially the school phase. Personally I think that the dating apps nowadays are worsening the dating market and furthering the gap between tiers, here in my country it is still not highly used the dating apps but they will catch up maybe
This turned into juggernaut theory reaaaaly fast
There are 2 reactions to me as a man:
1: Empty, bored eyes
2: friendly/ flirty giggling girls
The confusing thing is that it's like 50/50. Does that make me a Chad Lite or a High Tier Normie? A factor worth mentioning is that I have a good face but bad height. Maybe some women are more into height and some more into face which makes or breaks the deal for them.
I got a friend who's a chad but only 5'8". He pulls so many women.
Sub 5
@@thenarrator1984 ok
Yes definitely, I have a friend with REALLY bad height, but quite a decent face and very good body frame (not leprechaun). And his matches have always been fairly well.
However, it's worth mentioning that everytime a girl broke up with him, she'd find a taller guy, no exceptions.
You simply need to be a girl's type. The better you look, the more girls' type you are. Simple as that. If it is 50:50 for you then I guess you are a 6-7
I was relatively popular in high school. Thing is, I had majestic curly hair a great physique (lucky genetics with excellent shoulders to waist ratio), good face genetics (decent jawline, good eyes with impressive eyebrows) and I was TALL. But I stopped growing at the age of 13-14 (for real) and other men caught up pretty quickly and started losing my hair in my 20s (mid 20s now, still have hair but need to go for the buzzcut not to look retarded). What's left is a nice physique and somewhat good facial features, but that's not nearly enough nowadays to be considered attractive by the majority of girls. Shame, but you can't really live trying to please girls. Go on with your life, if you find a girl that genuinely likes you, that's great. Otherwise, it's plenty of options of what to do with your life. Pleasing some shallow women shouldn't be one of them
this is the perfect explanation
imagine one day you're watching a wheat waffles video and you see your face in sub 5 lmao. Holy shit id end my life on the spot.
Wheat, can you do a in-depth video about female ratings so that we can tell whoâs our looksmatch or not? A lot of normies tend to think weâre shooting above our league, when itâs really just the market thatâs inflating the value of females.
@Nothingness Any girl who does their make up right can easily up themselves by 2-3 points, while all boys can do is just try to get the fitting haircut/bear/other facial hair. Also as someone who's already been going to the gym for over 5 years, lately their are more and more girls in the gym. And funny enough, they all do the same things, Glutes and abdominal. So not only is facial fixing easier for woman but also physically. Any woman who's genetically above a 4/5 can become a model, do your make up, train 2 muscle's, and dress thightly, and your easy above a 7 after that.
@Nothingness nah man it is possible, knowing/understanding the reason behind this unfairness in life is crucial to anyone who's struggling in my opinion (as someone who used to struggle hard).
But you have to change your mindset, and I know this sounds as cringy as some influencer would say so I put it this way.
Change the way and rules in how you view the world. When I'm ugly, I am just playing life on hard mode, and that's what makes me better than others. Even if it takes me twice the work to gain what a random chick could, I will still do it. Because that's what I'm capable of. Every guy I know that consistently hits the gym, once started because they were insecure, they wanted to get more attention from the girls. But none of the ones who still gym today think like that, I may have started off a dumb reason, but I fell in love with it. And now I go to the gym everyday with a huge ego and thirst to become even better than myself. "Red Piller"
@Nothingness Exactly, you might not be born rich and wealthy or attractive, but you were born with the basic tools you need atleast in this life. Those starving kids in Africa or Yemen dont have a choice, nevermind. Just think about that deaf or half blinded child that went to the same school as you (I happend to). They have no choice, but you do. You either be bad or average, but you can choose to be better than yourself.
You will die knowing your parents were proud that you were their child.
I was doing my clinical practice at the hospital and these two nurses were hitting on this tall blue eyed curly haired Chad doctor. One of the foid nurses had a husband and she was like âit doesnât matter, Iâm gonna say someone is good looking if theyâre good looking.â These 304s out here disrespecting their husbands at work đđđ
They for the team bro
Don't ever date nurses
foid ?
@@alessandroofthemediterranean why ?
Foid and 304?? Get off the Internet. You don't even respect women
last chad in that quiz looked more like a serial killer to me
A girl in one of my classes always looks pissed when I walk into the class.
Well done, Iâm definitely going to be using this scale vs the traditional 1-10.
I found this both highly amusing and highly informative! Good job đđŒ
Good job. This is textbook worthy stuff.
I think this is spot on
Ok, now go outside, look at random people and try to fit them into categories. You'll see that when they're not cherrypicked to fit certain types like in this video it will be significantly harder.
Exactly. Real life is different than these so called dating statistics
I agree. He is right though if you simplify-unify the background prerequisites like for example giving everyone the same amount of subconscious social savvyness .
To be truly leading the population in dating domain, the author of this channel would need to consider this and therefore expand his differentiation strategies to more versatile views of reality.
He forgets to mention that for example a learning disabled Chad has the same evolutionary value as a âsub 5 manâ. Or that a socially completely clueless chad is even less attractive than a socially savvy âbelow 5â
Agreed. The old saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder is true. No matter how good-looking a guy is, there are women who will say that he isn't good-looking. I know women who think Idris Ilba, Johnny Depp, Leo DiCaprio, Tyson Beckford, Orlando Bloom, and Brad Pitt are way overrated. Go ahead and test it.
@@HorrendousCaliber Facts itâs all illusion and delusion all compacted in one.
@@DeCurtaRican they just coping
As a black man, I want to say this video is spot on but this the hardcore race "black" pill: there is no "normie" tier among black men because black men are judged the most for our looks. If you are a black male and not at least minimum a Tyrone-"Lite" (7/10 on the looks scale) then you might as well be a sub-5 for that matter. White men generally have higher SMV so they get more room for error when it comes to looks and appearance.
I sorta agree with this
Whatâs your Instagram?
Normie and sub5 black men can compensate with money tho. Iâm a tyronelite and have normie and sub5 friends who slay because theyâre rich
it's even worse for indian men
Excelent explanation
Definitely a normie here. Great content man keep it up
Two things Iâd want to mention
1)In addition to ascension, getting on a plane (SEAmaxxing or sometimes called brownpilling), and sitting in the basement are 3 of what I perceive to be 4 options for subfives. Escortcel would be the 4th and it really does help a lot of incels just get it out of their system. But it doesnât work for all. Some incels challenges are more deeply rooted and emotional in nature. Which then would bring us back to the other 3 options. Itâs still an avenue nevertheless.
2) I really like how you highlighted the normie niches (which an overwhelming majority of men are in to some degree) and how you highlighted that if a girl likes you, she will not make it difficult. A lot of dudes think just because they had a hard time theyâre ugly and itâs like nah man youâre average but youâre just in the wrong place. Look for the signs. Too many sh!t tests? Wrong place
Incels escortcelling just to get it out of their system is a massive understatement. Its helpful in finding out what you really want from women, whether its just S3x or Validation. I personally did it and frankly, the act is kinda overrated in my opinion but it helped me in realizing that what I wanted was Validation. Not necessarily women's Validation, but my peers who hold getting female validation in high regards. So my advice to other incels is Escortel as soon as possible,that is if you're of legal age and can afford it.
@@cintectichuman7115 I had a friend who did exactly that and it really seemed like he was finally able to move onto other stuff once that clarity by natural means hit. It helps. It doesnât solve EVERY incels problem, but it will give them more clarity I think
I didn't know the concept of SEAmaxxing and it's so funny because I recently met an Indonesian girl here in France and she's literally so into me when I'm just a maybe high tier normie, she even complimented my jawline when I don't really have one
And we're talking about a SEA living in Europe, but being a White in SEA must be even more ridiculous
@@counterleo exactly
call me retarded but first point has left me in a "jesse what the fuck are you talking about?" moment. i only understood a few words.
Great content. Very structured and relations logically explained. That separates you from other CZcamsrs and their endless talkings (more like coffee talks). Keep up a good work. Nature has it's laws, even thought our society tries to negate it, and we are not taught that in school. But life becomes less chaotic when you understand that.
I only ask out not so attractive girls(after facing 15 rejections ) . I realized they are more interested in me . Atleast I am not an incel annymore.
I like your thinking, Wheat Waffles. You are very intelligent and self-aware.
I think this primarily has the strongest direct correlation to online dating. The lines become less harsh in the real world on average
You have done an excellent job at clarifying the situation. Your videos will help a lot of men that are normies and sub 5ers have less confusion a bout the reality of where they stand I think the confusion causes most of the pain. I think this information would be of great value to most men.
It also depends of the quality of the photo, lighting, editing, compositing, color grading, type of lens used to take photos. All of this come into place . :)
Dude
You are god of analyze such context đ
incerdibly true!
LMFAOO I love your breakdowns. My friends call me a chad but I do not see it. But based off your explanations and how top tier women treat me I guess I am a chad
Hard to disagree with this video, well put and brutal :)
brrrutal
It is nice that you point out these problems. I 100 % agree. But could you make some videos telling us about the solutions as well?
I am a kissless virgin at 46... Women don't want to interact with me at all.
Dude, that is brutal. It never began!
Ahhh, dawg. Prob the type of information you want to keep to yourself brother.
You don't need them and their std. Meditate.
Brutal
I feel you bro :')
I like this tier based rating system. Because with the /10 system it's too easy to take say, a 5 as an insult, when 4-6 are actually right in the middle with the majority of people in the world.
People rarely rate themselves lower than a 7, when most of us are actually 4-6. Only a minority of people are above 7. And you don't have to be above a certain number to have a full and fulfilling life, not to deny that there are obvious advantages to being ridiculously attractive.
The second guy in the sub-five category, posse's too many masculine traits to be considered less than normie-tier.
he looks like a movie villain
I had a similar feeling about him.
To simplify the Sub-5s I split him up from the rest and gave the others a 4-way tie
2nd guy in sub five is better looking than half the normies, he'd be near chad-lite if he fixed his body fat percentage
he has been attacked by norwood reaper. Only hair transplant and facial fat reduction can save him from sub-5 fate and even make him chad possibly
Should be swapped with the second guy from the normies category. Also the first two first normie girls are better looking than most of the chad girls...
Love your channel. As I watch, I'm just shaking my head "yes, so true" during the whole video. I am in the normie category. Women that I'm not attracted to are usually attracted to me, and every now and then I get a normie woman that I think is hot. But, usually goes nowhere with them.
Anyway, keep up the good work
Just keep ticking bro.
Mr Waffles knows his stuff
As an indie kid who likes to romanticize other peopleâs personality, we need more contents about things revolving around this !!!đđâšâšâš
I am a normie. My life experiences tell me that. I have cold approached hundreds of women, gotten hundreds of snaps and 99% of them flake when it comes to dates and sex. I would estimate 1 in atleast 50 women I approach will go on a date/have sex with me. That's how it's been for me.
The fact that I can approach girls, get attention and some intimacy even though most of them will flake shows that I am in the normie region.
Majority of the women I've been with have been below average (3/4s). I've had a few averages and very rarely have I ever had any intimate action with 6s or 7s.
I wouldn't waste time on a 3. I couldn't. Wouldn't be sexually excited for one.
@@TheChallenger1000 yh thats the problem as a normie, its fairly easy to get laid w a 3 but i cba w that so im going for the 5-6+ but the progress needs to be pefrect to get laid there, so alot of more work but fuckit its worth it im not settling w 3s
Which etnicity are you
A cristal clear and rational analysis as always. You really talk like someone who could write a "Critic of the Pure Dating" if one wanted to. đ
5:56 this is 100% true, thanks for doing this research because we all deep down know this world has turned into this and yet people try and hide it. Looks matter, Status Wealth matter to a degree, and most important, competition matters, as long as chads exist normies wonât be able to compete.
wheat waffles the type of guy who gives relationship advice but has never been in a relationship before