I love the presence of Derol. It's subverting a mystery trope that when someone in the story is said to be unimportant and irrelevant, you know that that person will end up being deeply involved in the plot and they're the key to solving the whole mystery. So it's very funny when it turns out that "I'm not here; ignore me" is actually the truth.
@@CocktailFlicks The other subversion here that is similar to the Derol thing is Ethan Hawke's role. When such a big star shows up for what seems to be a role that an unknown actor would play, you expect that he's going to come back at some point and do something important. But he doesn't. He greets them, gives them some meds, and then is never seen again, leaving us scratching our heads thinking, "for THAT they called Ethan Hawke?"
@@joanhall9381 That makes sense too. I thought it could also have been because Miles actually hired Ethan Hawke to do that job because he has a thing for big name actors. These are good points to make. Thanks for stopping by to make them!
When Helen was telling Whisky that duke deserved what he got and she is better off without him, she is not talking about his death (as she didnt know he was dead). If you remember, she had advised Whisky to break up with Duke before, so when she saw Whisky upset, she just assumed they had broken up
Oh, ok. I was wondering about that too. Whiskey just assumed at that moment that Hellen killed him, but she got that wrong just like us. Thanks for filling in the gap!
Good catch on the Aegean Sea, and when Blanc calls her "Helen." "Is the current Mona Lisa a fake?" The real Mona Lisa is painted on wood, and this one was clearly painted on canvas (watch how it burns). It's possible that the Louvre pulled a fast one on Miles and he never had the real painting.
Thanks, however I must admit. The Aegean Sea guess was a lucky one, as I didn't actually know there was an Ionian sea. That, would be so funny if the Louvre gave him a fake, and he couldn't tell the difference. Wouldn't Blanc have told him? He did notice the Jay Hawk Crossbow after all. Still, The movie depended on it being the real one, So who actually knows. I like your idea though. Thanks for stopping by!
"the cameos and namedropping was unnecessary" Guys, guys, Hugh Grant is Benoit's partner/husband/spouse!!! Not every character that appears on screen needs to have a big purpose in the story, it just means Benoit has great taste in men lmao And honestly, I think the namedropping did a great job highlighting those moments so we remember them in the second act. Anderson Cooper was a cover-up for Andi's name, the kombucha was Helen's liquid courage during the investigation, and the hotsauce was used to fake Helen's death. It's similar to when duke fire's his gun at the pool and Benoit trips the smoke alarm--we get a feel for the timeline in the 2nd act because our brains latched onto the funny scenes in the first act.
It's fine if he's married to Hugh Grant. We have minds for escape rooms over here, and we are always trying to sift through potential distractions to try to solve the mystery, or come up with ways out of a situation. So, if we sounded cynical about anything, we didn't mean that, just trying to get to the bottom of things is all. That being said, sometimes we get it right, sometimes we get it wrong. I definitely see your point now about how the name dropping highlights the funny moments, and brings the story line together though. I admit, I did not put it together like that. Thanks for stopping by!
@@CocktailFlicks the namedropping doesn't just add to the humor, it serves as a cover-up for the Andi/Anderson Cooper thing. if Anderson was the only big name dropped, it'd be obvious it was out of place. hiding it between Jeremy Renner/Jared Leto/etc. meant you don't think twice about him namedropping AC!
@@naya9076 That makes sense. I feel like if Miles wasn't so pompous, we wouldn't have any of the issues we had in our reaction, but then again his character just wouldn't have been the same. That was just our perspective this time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I’ve watched many reactions to this movie and y’all are the first I’ve seen to catch Beniot calling her Helen before the reveal! I also feel like the name dropping was intentional simply to show that Miles knows people and he’s trying to flaunt his power of influence, while also using it to cover stuff up like Anderson Cooper
Either we were lucky or unlucky to hear Benoit Call her Hellen, but once you hear it, there's no unhearing it. I like you're take on why there is so much name dropping, it makes sense, especially for the type of character Miles is. He is definitely the type to show off his clout. Thanks for stopping by!
I can't take credit for this little tidbit, but I saw someone mention that Derol was supposed to represent Covid to a certain level. The first time you see him he's holding a case of Corona beer, and he's just kind of mingling around, not on people's minds, but there nonetheless. I don't know if that was what Johnson was intending, but I feel like it fits. I also think that he also plays into the part when Miles is talking about his murder mystery game, he says that he's hidden clues around the island and that some of them won't lead anywhere. I think that Derol is also meant as a red herring. Is his role essential to the story, no, but he was still entertaining.
that's interesting. It does make sense if it's true, if not it's still a great observation. A character that represents Covid, especially since everyone was presumably inoculated prior to getting on the yacht. My friend and I on this show have done a lot of escape rooms in the past, so red herrings are no stranger to us. That was the reason for our dismissiveness toward Derol. You are right though, he was entertaining especially toward the end. Thanks for stopping by!
Great reaction first. Second, congratulations on being the first and only reactors that noticed Benoit say Helen right before she got shot. Nobody else caught that. l have seen many reactions and you guys are the sole ones who caught it. Cheers to that.
Are we really? Wow, thank you for telling us. I feel like that was blind luck on our parts, but we will take it. Cheers to you to for the nice comment!
The script makes the point (I don't think you show it) that Miles' help of people was relatively small. But it was enough to get people on board. His one natural skill was getting people to think he was smart, even though objectively, he wasn't all that smart. Reminds me of a certain ex-president of the United States.
I believe I know which president you refer to. I interpreted Miles as a clever guy, and he played on those strengths, which is not far off from your interpretation, but either way you put it, he has to be either smart or very clever to be as obscenely wealthy as he was. Thanks for sharing, I appreciate good insight.
@@CocktailFlicks I agree and think the "Miles Bron is an idiot" line is taken a bit too literally by some people. He's obviously got skills, but they mainly are his natural ability to steel others ideas. But he does it quickly, which is not easy. (I didn't really notice this until others pointed it out, but he even only thinks to burn the napkin after Lionel asks if he didn't think to burn it.) Someone pointed out (might have been you guys, I'm not sure I've watched lots of reaction videos to this movie recently) that Helen's actions at the end entirely mirror Mile's statement about what a disruptor is. That is, she's the real disruptor, whose new "friends" even start going "whoa, not Liberace's piano!" etc at the end. She just burns the whole "system" down.
@@AgentOccam Yeah, that's a good point about Helen being the real disruptor. We didn't make that point I don't think, but all the same, it's a nice character arc for her. I guess Miles was telling the truth about breaking the system. That's a good observation!
I still loved the first one alittle more :) but growing to really like this one also !! I saw this in the theater in November! Daryl is same actor as Trooper Wagner in Knives out ! The hourly “bong” - Levitt ! Both actors in Rian Johnson ‘s movies !! 💜👍
Oh, I totally missed that about Daryl. I like movies that use re-occurring actors. We agree about Knives out, There's something special about it. Thanks for stopping by!
Don't know why you complain about Derol. He was great, and only in it for a *tiny* amount of time. But was ultimately just for comic effect. He's played by Noah Segan (Trooper Wagner in Knives Out) and Noah has been in every Rian Johnson film. As Joan says below, Rian was subverting a mystery trope. The name dropping and cameos were also intentional and just done for fun. Gez, guys, lighten-up! As for the structure, I think it was fine. They didn't want the audience to know who Helen was straight away, so I don't know what else they could have done. And some video reviewers (not you guys) portray it as a "cheat". But the flashback finishes well before the end, so the audience is not cheated - the viewer can work out who the killer is before the reveal, so I don't take issue with it. Oh, and they were all mostly rich folks, but Knives Out was hardly "fun in the sun" since it was set in autumn in Massachusetts.That was about "old money", this one was about "new money". But yeah, I agree it might be nice to have a different type of a group of suspects in the next one.
We are not so high strung on Derol as everyone is making it out to be. Could we have lightend up on his presence a bit? Yeah! We were so caught up in the mystery I guess, and this happened to be our reaction to the subject. Sorry if that disappointed you, We are trying to be better at this, It's just gonna take onw video at a time to do that. I like your contrast between the two movies, The Old Money, New money example makes perfect sense. My personal favorite between the two though, was the first Knives Out. I am a Fall and Winter person, and I really appreciate the mood, and the environment of the story in that aspect. I also really enjoyed the Family feud, but Glass Onion was still fun to try to solve. Thanks for stopping by, We will as always try to improve for the future!
@@CocktailFlicks Cheers guys, and no worries about Derol thing! Just pointing out my agreement with Joan that Rian was probably intending it as a nod to other murder mysteries. Also, I think it's a fun-fact for your audience that Noah Segan has been in *every* Rian Johnson film (and I think one episode of Breaking Bad that Rian wrote as well). But don't get me wrong I enjoyed your reaction/review overall.
@@AgentOccam Thank you very much, and to that point, we always welcome constructive criticism. Our videos are for your entertainment and everyone else as well, so we do want you to be entertained. We can be extra critical about Rian Johnson's work sometimes because we were not happy with his Star Wars movie, but I do have to remember that this particular series of movies is completely separate from that. On that note, I definitely see what Derol's character is all about in this movie now, and it is a nice little Red Herring put in there to break things up a little. All is well, come by anytime!
Knive's Out is a solid 11/10 as a movie but I still think glass onion is a 9/10 for me (and has more rewatchability). I really enjoyed this film, even more than Knive's Out One of my downvotes for the story of Knive's out was simply the fact the nice old man was basically tricked into killing himself. And while that doesn't detract from the quality of the mystery itself, it still made the ending a little too bittersweet... Meanwhile in Glass Onion, the story was wilder, the plot was twistier, and the finale was SO cathartic. It gets better the more times I watch it! Like, the Thrombeys got screwed over by the will, but a bunch of them still have their own money and reputations outside of their father's wealth. In glass onion, the billionaire and his lackeys walk away with their lives and reputations in ruins. Yeah, they turned against Miles, but don't forget that they are all still dependent on Miles. Lionel and Claire are gonna get pretty damn screwed. Helen grabbed them by the balls, dude, I wish I could see the shitshow of a court case this would turn into!
@@silverdandylmao I think Lionel and Claire will be fine. And probably most or all of them. He's still a scientist, and she's obviously a very savvy women. I don't think Helen cares about them one way or other, tbh, once she got Miles taken down.
SPOILERS for Knives Out - Only warning! *Knives Out* was my favourite if I had to pick, but both were good. I bought the idea that Ransom was genuinely helping Marta, even if it was for selfish reasons. Him only wanting his "share" and hating his family was perfectly set up in my opinion. I also like that the middle Act of the film basically seemed more like a "Hitchcockian" thriller than a murder-mystery per se, and then turned back into a mystery with the classic reveal at the end. And that final shot.... so well set up.
@@silverdandylmao That's a fair assessment. I personally liked Knives Out more. I thought the story flowed a little better for my taste. I felt like Glass Onion was much more of a marathon, because we circled all the way back to the beginning to tell Hellen's story, but the payoff made it worth the extra mile. Thanks for sharing with us, and sorry for the delay in getting back to you!
@@AgentOccam Well said, I agree it was the better movie. I loved the family, and how well they were casted for this film. Don Johnson was amazing as always, and the children were perfect mirrors of their upbringing. Marta was an angel all around, who go caught up in a greedy conspiracy. She deserved to be rewarded in the end!
I love the presence of Derol. It's subverting a mystery trope that when someone in the story is said to be unimportant and irrelevant, you know that that person will end up being deeply involved in the plot and they're the key to solving the whole mystery. So it's very funny when it turns out that "I'm not here; ignore me" is actually the truth.
I never thought of it like that. It makes sense, and now I don't have to question Derol's presence in the movie. haha. Thanks for the insight!
@@CocktailFlicks The other subversion here that is similar to the Derol thing is Ethan Hawke's role. When such a big star shows up for what seems to be a role that an unknown actor would play, you expect that he's going to come back at some point and do something important. But he doesn't. He greets them, gives them some meds, and then is never seen again, leaving us scratching our heads thinking, "for THAT they called Ethan Hawke?"
@@joanhall9381 That makes sense too. I thought it could also have been because Miles actually hired Ethan Hawke to do that job because he has a thing for big name actors. These are good points to make. Thanks for stopping by to make them!
When Helen was telling Whisky that duke deserved what he got and she is better off without him, she is not talking about his death (as she didnt know he was dead). If you remember, she had advised Whisky to break up with Duke before, so when she saw Whisky upset, she just assumed they had broken up
Oh, ok. I was wondering about that too. Whiskey just assumed at that moment that Hellen killed him, but she got that wrong just like us. Thanks for filling in the gap!
Good catch on the Aegean Sea, and when Blanc calls her "Helen."
"Is the current Mona Lisa a fake?" The real Mona Lisa is painted on wood, and this one was clearly painted on canvas (watch how it burns). It's possible that the Louvre pulled a fast one on Miles and he never had the real painting.
Thanks, however I must admit. The Aegean Sea guess was a lucky one, as I didn't actually know there was an Ionian sea. That, would be so funny if the Louvre gave him a fake, and he couldn't tell the difference. Wouldn't Blanc have told him? He did notice the Jay Hawk Crossbow after all. Still, The movie depended on it being the real one, So who actually knows. I like your idea though. Thanks for stopping by!
"the cameos and namedropping was unnecessary"
Guys, guys, Hugh Grant is Benoit's partner/husband/spouse!!! Not every character that appears on screen needs to have a big purpose in the story, it just means Benoit has great taste in men lmao
And honestly, I think the namedropping did a great job highlighting those moments so we remember them in the second act. Anderson Cooper was a cover-up for Andi's name, the kombucha was Helen's liquid courage during the investigation, and the hotsauce was used to fake Helen's death. It's similar to when duke fire's his gun at the pool and Benoit trips the smoke alarm--we get a feel for the timeline in the 2nd act because our brains latched onto the funny scenes in the first act.
It's fine if he's married to Hugh Grant. We have minds for escape rooms over here, and we are always trying to sift through potential distractions to try to solve the mystery, or come up with ways out of a situation. So, if we sounded cynical about anything, we didn't mean that, just trying to get to the bottom of things is all. That being said, sometimes we get it right, sometimes we get it wrong. I definitely see your point now about how the name dropping highlights the funny moments, and brings the story line together though. I admit, I did not put it together like that. Thanks for stopping by!
@@CocktailFlicks the namedropping doesn't just add to the humor, it serves as a cover-up for the Andi/Anderson Cooper thing. if Anderson was the only big name dropped, it'd be obvious it was out of place. hiding it between Jeremy Renner/Jared Leto/etc. meant you don't think twice about him namedropping AC!
@@naya9076 That makes sense. I feel like if Miles wasn't so pompous, we wouldn't have any of the issues we had in our reaction, but then again his character just wouldn't have been the same. That was just our perspective this time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
The guy who plays Darryl is a friend of Rian Johnson. He was in the first Knives out as one of the cops
I had heard that too after we watched this movie. It makes sense then that he would have a role in this movie as well. Thank your for the insight!
I’ve watched many reactions to this movie and y’all are the first I’ve seen to catch Beniot calling her Helen before the reveal! I also feel like the name dropping was intentional simply to show that Miles knows people and he’s trying to flaunt his power of influence, while also using it to cover stuff up like Anderson Cooper
Either we were lucky or unlucky to hear Benoit Call her Hellen, but once you hear it, there's no unhearing it. I like you're take on why there is so much name dropping, it makes sense, especially for the type of character Miles is. He is definitely the type to show off his clout. Thanks for stopping by!
I can't take credit for this little tidbit, but I saw someone mention that Derol was supposed to represent Covid to a certain level. The first time you see him he's holding a case of Corona beer, and he's just kind of mingling around, not on people's minds, but there nonetheless. I don't know if that was what Johnson was intending, but I feel like it fits.
I also think that he also plays into the part when Miles is talking about his murder mystery game, he says that he's hidden clues around the island and that some of them won't lead anywhere. I think that Derol is also meant as a red herring. Is his role essential to the story, no, but he was still entertaining.
that's interesting. It does make sense if it's true, if not it's still a great observation. A character that represents Covid, especially since everyone was presumably inoculated prior to getting on the yacht. My friend and I on this show have done a lot of escape rooms in the past, so red herrings are no stranger to us. That was the reason for our dismissiveness toward Derol. You are right though, he was entertaining especially toward the end. Thanks for stopping by!
Great reaction first. Second, congratulations on being the first and only reactors that noticed Benoit say Helen right before she got shot. Nobody else caught that. l have seen many reactions and you guys are the sole ones who caught it. Cheers to that.
Are we really? Wow, thank you for telling us. I feel like that was blind luck on our parts, but we will take it. Cheers to you to for the nice comment!
Hugh Grant is married to Benoit.
Ok, I figured that would be the case afterwards. Thanks for confirming!🤓
The script makes the point (I don't think you show it) that Miles' help of people was relatively small. But it was enough to get people on board. His one natural skill was getting people to think he was smart, even though objectively, he wasn't all that smart. Reminds me of a certain ex-president of the United States.
I believe I know which president you refer to. I interpreted Miles as a clever guy, and he played on those strengths, which is not far off from your interpretation, but either way you put it, he has to be either smart or very clever to be as obscenely wealthy as he was. Thanks for sharing, I appreciate good insight.
@@CocktailFlicks I agree and think the "Miles Bron is an idiot" line is taken a bit too literally by some people. He's obviously got skills, but they mainly are his natural ability to steel others ideas. But he does it quickly, which is not easy. (I didn't really notice this until others pointed it out, but he even only thinks to burn the napkin after Lionel asks if he didn't think to burn it.)
Someone pointed out (might have been you guys, I'm not sure I've watched lots of reaction videos to this movie recently) that Helen's actions at the end entirely mirror Mile's statement about what a disruptor is. That is, she's the real disruptor, whose new "friends" even start going "whoa, not Liberace's piano!" etc at the end. She just burns the whole "system" down.
@@AgentOccam Yeah, that's a good point about Helen being the real disruptor. We didn't make that point I don't think, but all the same, it's a nice character arc for her. I guess Miles was telling the truth about breaking the system. That's a good observation!
I still loved the first one alittle more :) but growing to really like this one also !! I saw this in the theater in November! Daryl is same actor as Trooper Wagner in Knives out ! The hourly “bong” - Levitt ! Both actors in Rian Johnson ‘s movies !! 💜👍
Oh, I totally missed that about Daryl. I like movies that use re-occurring actors. We agree about Knives out, There's something special about it. Thanks for stopping by!
Don't know why you complain about Derol. He was great, and only in it for a *tiny* amount of time. But was ultimately just for comic effect. He's played by Noah Segan (Trooper Wagner in Knives Out) and Noah has been in every Rian Johnson film. As Joan says below, Rian was subverting a mystery trope.
The name dropping and cameos were also intentional and just done for fun. Gez, guys, lighten-up!
As for the structure, I think it was fine. They didn't want the audience to know who Helen was straight away, so I don't know what else they could have done. And some video reviewers (not you guys) portray it as a "cheat". But the flashback finishes well before the end, so the audience is not cheated - the viewer can work out who the killer is before the reveal, so I don't take issue with it.
Oh, and they were all mostly rich folks, but Knives Out was hardly "fun in the sun" since it was set in autumn in Massachusetts.That was about "old money", this one was about "new money". But yeah, I agree it might be nice to have a different type of a group of suspects in the next one.
We are not so high strung on Derol as everyone is making it out to be. Could we have lightend up on his presence a bit? Yeah! We were so caught up in the mystery I guess, and this happened to be our reaction to the subject. Sorry if that disappointed you, We are trying to be better at this, It's just gonna take onw video at a time to do that.
I like your contrast between the two movies, The Old Money, New money example makes perfect sense. My personal favorite between the two though, was the first Knives Out. I am a Fall and Winter person, and I really appreciate the mood, and the environment of the story in that aspect. I also really enjoyed the Family feud, but Glass Onion was still fun to try to solve. Thanks for stopping by, We will as always try to improve for the future!
@@CocktailFlicks Cheers guys, and no worries about Derol thing! Just pointing out my agreement with Joan that Rian was probably intending it as a nod to other murder mysteries. Also, I think it's a fun-fact for your audience that Noah Segan has been in *every* Rian Johnson film (and I think one episode of Breaking Bad that Rian wrote as well).
But don't get me wrong I enjoyed your reaction/review overall.
@@AgentOccam Thank you very much, and to that point, we always welcome constructive criticism. Our videos are for your entertainment and everyone else as well, so we do want you to be entertained. We can be extra critical about Rian Johnson's work sometimes because we were not happy with his Star Wars movie, but I do have to remember that this particular series of movies is completely separate from that. On that note, I definitely see what Derol's character is all about in this movie now, and it is a nice little Red Herring put in there to break things up a little. All is well, come by anytime!
Which movie was your favorite? Glass Onion, or Knives Out?
Knive's Out is a solid 11/10 as a movie but I still think glass onion is a 9/10 for me (and has more rewatchability). I really enjoyed this film, even more than Knive's Out
One of my downvotes for the story of Knive's out was simply the fact the nice old man was basically tricked into killing himself. And while that doesn't detract from the quality of the mystery itself, it still made the ending a little too bittersweet...
Meanwhile in Glass Onion, the story was wilder, the plot was twistier, and the finale was SO cathartic. It gets better the more times I watch it!
Like, the Thrombeys got screwed over by the will, but a bunch of them still have their own money and reputations outside of their father's wealth.
In glass onion, the billionaire and his lackeys walk away with their lives and reputations in ruins. Yeah, they turned against Miles, but don't forget that they are all still dependent on Miles. Lionel and Claire are gonna get pretty damn screwed. Helen grabbed them by the balls, dude, I wish I could see the shitshow of a court case this would turn into!
@@silverdandylmao I think Lionel and Claire will be fine. And probably most or all of them. He's still a scientist, and she's obviously a very savvy women. I don't think Helen cares about them one way or other, tbh, once she got Miles taken down.
SPOILERS for Knives Out - Only warning!
*Knives Out* was my favourite if I had to pick, but both were good. I bought the idea that Ransom was genuinely helping Marta, even if it was for selfish reasons. Him only wanting his "share" and hating his family was perfectly set up in my opinion.
I also like that the middle Act of the film basically seemed more like a "Hitchcockian" thriller than a murder-mystery per se, and then turned back into a mystery with the classic reveal at the end.
And that final shot.... so well set up.
@@silverdandylmao That's a fair assessment. I personally liked Knives Out more. I thought the story flowed a little better for my taste. I felt like Glass Onion was much more of a marathon, because we circled all the way back to the beginning to tell Hellen's story, but the payoff made it worth the extra mile. Thanks for sharing with us, and sorry for the delay in getting back to you!
@@AgentOccam Well said, I agree it was the better movie. I loved the family, and how well they were casted for this film. Don Johnson was amazing as always, and the children were perfect mirrors of their upbringing. Marta was an angel all around, who go caught up in a greedy conspiracy. She deserved to be rewarded in the end!