Build a house track with Freemasons - Part 1 of 2

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  • @tornpaper6166
    @tornpaper6166 Před 7 lety +97

    goddammit I like articulate musicians that can properly explain things

  • @sashanvak
    @sashanvak Před 3 měsíci

    James is an absolute master of the craft. Thank you for presenting this gem. Back to basics.

  • @lotdproduction
    @lotdproduction Před 4 lety +16

    Just a tip for new Live users. At 31:39 after freezing the track, you can create a audio track (Ctrl t in windows ) and then Ctrl and left click drag the frozen track to the new audio track. It essentially does exactly what James did here but it keeps the midi track in place, in case you want to edit something in it later. Make sure you mute the midi track after because it will still play, in Live 10 at least. I suggest you do it James' way because it's better to commit to an idea then have a "way out" in my opinion. Just letting you all know the option to go back is there in case you really need it.

    • @Breakbeat90s
      @Breakbeat90s Před rokem

      This comment is 3 years old and nothing has changed. Why is there no keyboard shortcut for bounce onto a new track and mute the old one?
      I know there is a Max4Live device that does it but it should be an internal feature of the DAW...

  • @OfficialMrShade
    @OfficialMrShade Před 4 lety +8

    James Wiltshire always explains things so well

  • @jaym2112
    @jaym2112 Před 3 lety +6

    4:07 "No one changes the strings on their bass guitar."
    Damn. Yeah... In Electronic music, there's a feeling that you MUST change things because you CAN... Excellent point.

    • @gx2music
      @gx2music Před rokem

      Yeah - the whole point is to get your track down. Don’t get stuck. Keep your workflow moving along.

    • @AutPen38
      @AutPen38 Před rokem

      As someone with about a thousand kick drum samples scattered around my hard drives, I think I'd actually make more music if I had fewer than ten to choose from.

  • @__spina__
    @__spina__ Před 7 lety +13

    the best teacher and great producer

  • @StevieCooper
    @StevieCooper Před 2 lety +1

    I met this guy in Melbourne. They’re my favourite DJ’s and I partied in the mid-00’s to their tracks. I still listen to them and loves them today.

  • @scroez
    @scroez Před 7 lety +10

    I use Logic but found this hugely inspiring, I liked his theory on house beats, at first The bassline at first I thought was a tiny weak, but then understood the off tempo/offbeat groove, a dirty/filthy tune, with similer basslines like that, we used to call it back in the day.
    It grew on me quickly, In fact, I love it, its a tech house tune, after all, he's making. Loved the other things like the synth reverse etc. Anyway, this guy knows his shit and loved his tunes from my raving days.
    That studio is perfect, Imaging having that shit in your spare room.
    It doesn't matter what DAW you use, Everybody will prefer one daw over another, It doesn't matter as long as you can make good music.
    Great tutorial man.

  • @StayLeft.
    @StayLeft. Před 7 lety +10

    James shorts are the best thing about this vid

  • @pierreski70
    @pierreski70 Před rokem +1

    Great video man. The way you explain the “why how and because” you do things is a great insight and hands on learning.. Love your work!

  • @els1f
    @els1f Před 8 lety +53

    I have to keep replaying parts because I can't stop staring at that Prophet 6.

    • @SpeccyMan
      @SpeccyMan Před 8 lety +4

      You too eh? It is mesmerising, isn't it?

    • @MichaelBCooper
      @MichaelBCooper Před 6 lety

      Beautiful piece of kit

    • @WARDISWARD
      @WARDISWARD Před 6 lety

      I
      'Im more interested in the outboard gear , expecially the ssl and neve racks
      :DAmn , he even got a manley massive passive under the desk 27:58
      He's got for over 15'000 euro worth of outboard gear ..and still his music sounds like a cheapo happy meal hamburger

    • @jeffgraham4974
      @jeffgraham4974 Před 6 lety

      i cant stop staring at the waldorf microwave

    • @loontil
      @loontil Před 6 lety +1

      maybe start thinking about musical ideas rather than touching yourself over a thing with knobs and sliders

  • @MinDTraX
    @MinDTraX Před 5 lety +1

    He really put a lot of effort in it to explain it well and that is really nice of him

  • @chrisb1699
    @chrisb1699 Před rokem

    These videos are great, explanations are easy to follow and the commentary is well articulated. I used to use remixes by the Freemasons all the time when I first got into DJ'ing, 20 years later when i'm learning to produce these videos feel like coming home. Thanks for the upload!

  • @sunjamrblues
    @sunjamrblues Před 5 lety +2

    I'm a Logic Pro user, but all these suggestions work just fine for me. Many thanks for posting these awesome tips!

  • @randyespoda4396
    @randyespoda4396 Před 7 lety +1

    Some really really good tips and workflow examples in here. Excellent stuff.

  • @Dan-jg7zl
    @Dan-jg7zl Před 4 lety +4

    Damn! He's so heavy handed with that hardware.

  • @BteamBencher
    @BteamBencher Před 7 lety +4

    That convolution reverb trick is actually fucking genius

  • @Combusto
    @Combusto Před 7 lety +16

    i love this guy

  • @steviebeats
    @steviebeats Před 7 lety +3

    what a superb video, excellent techniques and brilliant delivery, spot on, so much in these free videos too, many thanks

  • @nextplanetgaming8749
    @nextplanetgaming8749 Před 6 lety

    One of the best CM studio visits ever.

  • @AE-hx7wy
    @AE-hx7wy Před 7 lety +2

    Watching this video another time cause i liked how inspiring it was, noticing he has jeans shorts this time.

  • @felixpersson9154
    @felixpersson9154 Před 7 lety +4

    I love these Computer Music series!. The magazine isn't that bad either ;). Splendid guy this Freemasons.
    //FLX

  • @dhil3571
    @dhil3571 Před 6 lety

    holy shit....the part about getting sounds together and making your own little library opened my mind up in new ways. Thank you!

  • @eastrecordings9921
    @eastrecordings9921 Před 8 lety +3

    Top quality stuff as usual from James. Loving the emphasis on the last 16th in the bar...it's the Jackin' division! Actually, that's quite a good name for a DJ (c) East Recordings 2016 ;)

  • @ekclay7
    @ekclay7 Před 5 lety

    Wonderful display of music production and engineering. Very inspirational and creative.. thank you.

  • @HatredPrime
    @HatredPrime Před 7 lety +44

    Thank you for so many shots of his head instead of monitor, I feel like I have learned so much more, next time just film only his head even without audio...

    • @ricksleurink5064
      @ricksleurink5064 Před 6 lety +3

      ungrateful dog you

    • @DeefexNYC
      @DeefexNYC Před 6 lety

      LOL! I know, I was just looking at his head now and thought "wtf, if this really necessary?"

    • @DeefexNYC
      @DeefexNYC Před 6 lety

      lol

    • @chadmius
      @chadmius Před 6 lety +2

      Hahahahaha. This comment was so hilarious, it made me spit out my coffee. Well done. :)

    • @maerrorskhosana3513
      @maerrorskhosana3513 Před 5 lety

      Lol u so ungreatful

  • @carlhudz
    @carlhudz Před 3 lety

    Love these sort of videos. He makes it look easy!

  • @TumeloThePineMapine
    @TumeloThePineMapine Před 4 lety +1

    Damn...Something i have been looking for.Great Stuff!

  • @leonmatthew7
    @leonmatthew7 Před 7 lety

    Great tutorial and all that aside... that is an absolutely stonking tune man! It's Sunday night and I'm sat here wanting to go out and have it. It must be good.

  • @dubanddeep9394
    @dubanddeep9394 Před 6 lety +1

    Thanks James, I love your tutorials 👍

  • @jacobgreenland2011
    @jacobgreenland2011 Před 8 lety +6

    some good tips!

  • @southsidedance8386
    @southsidedance8386 Před 5 lety +1

    Nice, hugely inspirational!

  • @Bri-pe5yb
    @Bri-pe5yb Před 7 lety +3

    Awesome tutorial.

  • @midierror
    @midierror Před 6 lety +1

    superb tutorial, hes the best in the business!

  • @deejaymanucho3962
    @deejaymanucho3962 Před 7 lety +5

    love the diagram pretty helpful :)

  • @FintanMoloney
    @FintanMoloney Před 7 lety

    Great video with some really useful tips and tricks. Very clearly explained also :)

  • @djlucamontecchi
    @djlucamontecchi Před 7 lety +1

    Thank you so much. Respect !

  • @JamesBermingham
    @JamesBermingham Před 2 lety +1

    James Wiltshire should have a masterclass. Too many fakes out there. This is the real deal.

  • @mrfleamino9350
    @mrfleamino9350 Před 5 lety +1

    Amazing lesson

  • @JimMedcraft
    @JimMedcraft Před 3 lety

    I vjed for these guys a couple of times in Australia

  • @fingular
    @fingular Před 3 lety

    THANK YOU

  • @AveMcree
    @AveMcree Před 7 lety +1

    dear goodness the beginning was hella loud... RIP hearing

  • @BreakingtheSound
    @BreakingtheSound Před 4 lety

    Thank you mate.Cheers

  • @TeakBoxxx3r
    @TeakBoxxx3r Před 7 lety +6

    Is Part 2 incoming or only for Point Blank Music School attendees?

  • @mrdrgonzo
    @mrdrgonzo Před rokem

    He has lovely ears

  • @maikeru619
    @maikeru619 Před 7 lety +1

    I fucking love this dude

  • @number10thousand
    @number10thousand Před 3 lety

    Thank you - awesome!!

  • @CLabmusic
    @CLabmusic Před 3 lety

    Amazing video. I learned a lot!
    That mousepad is killing me though.

  • @miss.antidote
    @miss.antidote Před 5 lety +2

    2019 and i am back :)

  • @dxtrs_mnpltr
    @dxtrs_mnpltr Před 4 lety

    Grande James!

  • @monsieur171
    @monsieur171 Před 8 lety +25

    the grandmaster

  • @stavran
    @stavran Před 6 lety +1

    Thank you maestro ;)

  • @davidbuchanan9273
    @davidbuchanan9273 Před 4 lety

    genius human being!!

  • @MRKsound24
    @MRKsound24 Před 3 lety +1

    I wish they'd show the screen properly when he's showing you how to do stuff

  • @east2w
    @east2w Před 4 lety

    Nice tut.

  • @andrebrook8536
    @andrebrook8536 Před 8 lety +2

    I also use Logic, but here's reality. If you know the basic principals of audio production and enough about music theory (which I admit is a challenging and never-ending process) you just take what you learn from these Abelton Live session videos and apply them to your own DAW. Sure, you may not get some aspects of Abelton Live but if you're watching tutorial videos it's not like your trying to churn out the next big hit ahead of Deadmau5. Stats from last year: Live users 23%. Logic users: 18% all the way down to Pro Tools 5% of total music producers. That's just how it is folks.

    • @housemusic4456
      @housemusic4456 Před 7 lety +1

      Andre Brook u forot those of us who use 2 daw at once rewired. i myself use 4 daw total. ableton logic cubase and reason. but, i have also made full tracks on an mpc and mastered in pro tools. so i guess i can use all daw. i have also tried studio one. all the principals are the same. if you know how to make a track u could do so in any daw by applying fundamental principals. ☺ its kinda like even if u had a ferrari. not everyone can drive. i my man can drive!^,^

  • @tonyb2529
    @tonyb2529 Před 4 lety +2

    This is an amazing video!! is it just me or is there no part 2?? Can't find it anywhere....... anyone got a link? Thanks

  • @AUDIOFUNKTION1
    @AUDIOFUNKTION1 Před 4 lety

    Very good 👍

  • @DeefexNYC
    @DeefexNYC Před 6 lety

    This is an awesome tutorial. James is phenominal with the amount of knowledge. Thanks but I just have one question. What's that alien head looking thing on the desk? on the bottom right on top of the audio interface?/volume knob?

  • @kennewby01
    @kennewby01 Před 3 lety +1

    It’s 2020 and unfortunately I can’t find any way to watch part 2 of this video

    • @BoBo-rf1cb
      @BoBo-rf1cb Před 3 lety +3

      Type "Producer Masterclass - Freemasons: “Many producers develop the beginning of an idea, but won’t take it further” in google.

    • @kennewby01
      @kennewby01 Před 3 lety

      @@BoBo-rf1cb cheers ! @Bo Bo, thanks so much for that. :)

  • @bassbanger87
    @bassbanger87 Před 8 lety +1

    Alan Fitzpatrick techno in Reason please ;)

  • @valiantvasquez
    @valiantvasquez Před rokem

    No bad, but I believe you can add more funk to the beat patterns.

  • @qcole469
    @qcole469 Před 5 lety +1

    A very expensive midi keyboard he is using lol. Dope techniques, I debating on getting abelton or logic at the moment. I make hip hop and starting to make some house also.

    • @moonwatch7963
      @moonwatch7963 Před 5 lety

      What about Reason ?

    • @moonwatch7963
      @moonwatch7963 Před 5 lety

      czcams.com/play/PL29263D87CD4601CD.html - some videos I found helpful

  • @valdelduca8325
    @valdelduca8325 Před 7 lety

    Thanks..Good tut

  • @DjLyndon1984r
    @DjLyndon1984r Před 7 lety

    Very interesting n Thanks🎶🎩👍🏾

  • @charlesrequiem
    @charlesrequiem Před 4 lety

    maestro!

  • @samikalastaja
    @samikalastaja Před 7 lety

    35:53 not really related with music but are you comfortable in that position? Does your arm ever hurt?

  • @nelsondjordjemijic1533

    Is there a reason to put singleshots of wav in audio track instead in drum rack in midi track?

  • @TheEffigyOfEther
    @TheEffigyOfEther Před 8 lety +2

    this is a great video and James Wiltshire is articulate and certainly knows his way around house drums.
    tbh the main bass lead is less than average, which is a little disappointing.

    • @DeefexNYC
      @DeefexNYC Před 6 lety

      Yeah, it kind of sounds that way a bit, but you have to understand that he's monitoring this mix on excellent monitors (speakers), so if it sits well in the mix and sounds good on his end, then he's using them. It also might sound less than average on regular speakers, but maybe he knows that in clubs, the bassline is going to sound great.

  • @cryptoape1983
    @cryptoape1983 Před 6 lety

    niceee!!!

  • @t.m.boshomane2592
    @t.m.boshomane2592 Před 2 lety

    links for buying the magazine online please

  • @tk-zh3dd
    @tk-zh3dd Před 4 lety

    Is that a Palindrometer I see in the rack?

  • @acecatman
    @acecatman Před 7 lety

    4:15 they kinda do though, the two prerequisites for a good bass recording are a competent bass player who mutes properly and a fresh set of strings.

  • @Areschanke
    @Areschanke Před 6 lety +1

    Can I find part 2 anywhere *without* buying the two year old 235 issue?

    • @Areschanke
      @Areschanke Před 6 lety

      If not, is the issue still even available?

    • @ComputerMusicMag
      @ComputerMusicMag  Před 6 lety

      Buy the issue then :)

    • @Areschanke
      @Areschanke Před 6 lety

      I probably will, this is after my opinion the most professional drum tutorial on youtube!
      Is it possible to just buy this one issue tho, or do I have to subscribe for 12 months or something?
      Also, thanks for replying so quickly :)

    • @ComputerMusicMag
      @ComputerMusicMag  Před 6 lety +1

      Thanks for the kind words! You can buy a single back issue of CM235 (print or digital) to access the full thing. Links are here: bit.ly/CMU235
      We also have a new Producer Masterclass video session with James, forthcoming in our CM259 issue. That'll be on sale next week (11/07/18). And again, we'll be posting the first half of the video here on CZcams - feel free to subscribe if you want to get our notifications :)

    • @tayoawoyemi9503
      @tayoawoyemi9503 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ComputerMusicMag A bit late to the party, but I just bought this issue at Zinio specifically because I wanted access to the second part of this video but it looks like the link to the masterclass is not working anymore. Video is removed....

  • @PaulChabot
    @PaulChabot Před 4 lety +1

    Is the audio from the studio coming from the room mics?

  • @martinkulik9466
    @martinkulik9466 Před 3 lety

    sorry but this is hard to follow. I wanted to recreate those fills between kick and claps, but it's hard and confusing to follow this tutorial

  • @nickash5
    @nickash5 Před 7 lety

    yeah Using shorts or cut out jeans in the studio, since forever.

  • @turfoid7899
    @turfoid7899 Před 3 lety

    Wha tmonitos are those egg shaped ones?

  • @sometimesoonfan
    @sometimesoonfan Před 7 lety

    what kind of table or desk is that??????????

  • @darrentaylor3371
    @darrentaylor3371 Před 6 lety

    whatever happened to plugging your synth and drum machine into audio and playing in realtime. its much more satisfying than relying on loops.

    • @4partmedia
      @4partmedia Před rokem

      🤔 this man comes from the analog era... he's literally inputting everything in the same exact way.. the hell you talking bout? 😂

  • @andrewrichardsuk
    @andrewrichardsuk Před 8 lety

    Superb, tnx. I have heard that at the mixdown stage logic is clearer and sounds better than ableton; is there any truth in this?

    • @allennunez
      @allennunez Před 8 lety +1

      i think it is the ear and not the gear . but that is a reason why producers use other daws

    • @els1f
      @els1f Před 8 lety +1

      There used to be years ago, but Ableton have completely revamped and improved their audio engine (In live 8 or 9, I don't recall). The difference before the change wasn't really night and day either, but noticeable if you tried really hard to spot it. I guarantee some of your favorite songs were mixed down and finalized using Ableton Live :)

    • @WillyJunior
      @WillyJunior Před 8 lety +1

      absolutely no truth in that whatsoever.

    • @andrewrichardsuk
      @andrewrichardsuk Před 8 lety

      Bollog Nyessy i thought as much, tnx.

    • @els1f
      @els1f Před 8 lety

      I've been thinking about it, and I might be mistaken by the whole, "Ableton have completely revamped and improved their audio engine (In live 8 or 9, I don't recall)" comment. I've been searching around because I'm almost positive that it was part of the promotional material that Live 9 had a new audio engine, but I think that I could be wrong about that. The original comment is still the same (both Logic and Live are incredible, use what you love), but the improvements might not have been as sweeping as I thought I remembered. My memories might be revising themselves :P

  • @gibsonhero233532574998
    @gibsonhero233532574998 Před 7 lety +1

    Can anyone explain what he did with the kick?

    • @grahamnicholson4803
      @grahamnicholson4803 Před 7 lety +1

      I'd love to know as well. It looks like he used reverb on a filtered kick to create a rumble, but I can't really tell myself.
      Edit: After looking at the video a few more times and doing some reading online, I think he imported a .wav kick drum sample into a convolution reverb plugin as an impulse response.

    • @gibsonhero233532574998
      @gibsonhero233532574998 Před 7 lety

      Would you be willing to put that in super layman's terms for me? haha

    • @grahamnicholson4803
      @grahamnicholson4803 Před 7 lety +3

      Sure. I'm pretty new to this too, so please bear with me. If anyone sees any errors, feel free to point them out as I'm not an expert just yet.
      Convolution reverbs are used to mimic reverb in a real acoustic environment. This is opposed to algorithmic reverbs which use algorithms to replicate acoustic behavior.
      Convolution reverbs use recorded samples called Impulse Responses to achieve their desired effect. Impulse Responses are essentially a sample of the signal made in a reverberant space by an instrument had been recorded in it without the signal of that instrument included in the result. So, for example, if you recorded a snare drum hit in a church, the Impulse Response would be the reverberant signal caused by the snare drum being hit in the church without the original signal of the snare drum hit included in the final sample. The result is a sample containing the effect of the hit in the room; that is the reverberant effect of a sound made in that room.
      Some convolusion reverb plugins allow you to import your own Impulse Response samples. In this video, James imported a kick drum sample that has a reverberant tail into a convolution reverb plugin as an Impulse Response. The ability to import your own Impulse Responses allows the producer to use reverb in odd ways to achieve certain sounds or effects. In this case, James uses the kick drum sample as an Impulse Response, then filters and compresses the signal going through it to achieve a rumble effect that enhances the reverberant tail of the original kick drum. This is played in parallel with the original, unmodified version of the kick drum to get both the kick and a reverberant tail in your track.
      Hope this helps!
      Here's a source I used:
      - www.bhphotovideo.com/find/newsLetter/Convolution-Reverb.jsp/
      Here's the guide to a convolution reverb plugin that lets you import your own Impule Response. The IR-1 is actually on sale right now at Waves for $49:
      - www.waves.com/1lib/pdf/plugins/ir-convolution-reverb.pdf

  • @yousurfer2
    @yousurfer2 Před 6 lety

    that fucking diagram!

  • @soulbladeproduction7669

    What´s the name of the iPad App ?

  • @m1ndsetstudio
    @m1ndsetstudio Před 7 lety

    What's app called ?

  • @djfatech
    @djfatech Před 6 lety

    This guy's a genius, too bad I don't know how to speak English. I'd like to learn from him.

  • @Areschanke
    @Areschanke Před 6 lety

    Whats that app called? Studio "mocks"?? (time 7:34)

  • @joedriver2588
    @joedriver2588 Před 3 lety +2

    James Wiltshire is great, but this video gets a thumbs down because the camera keeps focusing on James rather than Ableton. We don't give fuck all about looking at the producer. We want to see what he is doing in the DAW. The editor of this video must not know fuck all about music production. I see this all too often, where there are tutorials from the pros, but these idiots making the video focus on the producer talking. Get a fucking clue. We don't care about seeing the producer's lips moving. We only need to hear what he is saying and see what he is doing in the DAW.

  • @arsenyturin
    @arsenyturin Před 4 lety +4

    He's is cheating with magic stones under his iMac

  • @scowlsmcjowls2626
    @scowlsmcjowls2626 Před 7 lety +8

    are ye really freemasons?

  • @error0ne
    @error0ne Před 6 lety

    Sadly his english or pronuncian is very "customer friendly", like 5:30 when he explains the magic kick trick but start stuttering at the very important moment.

  • @otacon4065
    @otacon4065 Před 7 lety

    yet another part 1 of 2 video without the second part... yet you keep releasing these half finished videos and not the second half...

    • @ComputerMusicMag
      @ComputerMusicMag  Před 7 lety

      Read the description under the video. You get the 2nd part when you buy the magazine.

    • @valeriodentone248
      @valeriodentone248 Před 5 lety +1

      I tried to click on the link (bit.ly/CMU235) but if attemp to buy the CS235 at google play platform it gives me only the possibility of purchasing the last issue. Could you tell me exacltly how can I purchase the CM235 with the whole Freemasons masterclass? Thank you.

    • @briana3186
      @briana3186 Před 5 lety

      @@valeriodentone248 Hi! If you figure it out, I would also like to know. Had the same experience.

    • @funkmaster322
      @funkmaster322 Před 4 lety

      @@ComputerMusicMag Do you have to subscribe to the WHOLE magazine just to get the second part? what a rip off!

  • @massimovisconti2013
    @massimovisconti2013 Před rokem

    I'm from Italy and CZcams is displaying a warning box about Masonry right before the title of the video.
    This is the most stupid thing I've ever seen here. Anybody else?

  • @SeFu2006
    @SeFu2006 Před 7 lety

    To be honest I didn't learn very much, they should showed what was happening on the screen to get the full effect.

  • @ozowizo37
    @ozowizo37 Před 2 lety

    Do you need that equipment for a simple track like that? It’s overrated. Boring actually. Just saying.

  • @888berg
    @888berg Před 8 lety +4

    Logic Pro X please - its fun to appease an apparent bigger crowd of younger masses with Live, but most want EDM nonsense.. please stay true to your roots and give us those deeper vibes that consistent bedroom house producers want - logic :))))

    • @ek999
      @ek999 Před 8 lety +13

      Ableton dicks on Logic for electronic music production, every time!

    • @ComputerMusicMag
      @ComputerMusicMag  Před 8 lety +7

      Although James produces the track in Live, he's kindly provided the finished project in Logic Pro X format (as well as Live 9 and Studio One 3). See bit.ly/CMU235 for more info. Hope this helps :)

    • @howyourgardengrows
      @howyourgardengrows Před 8 lety +3

      I demand Cubase. Not really.

    • @spectralknights2
      @spectralknights2 Před 8 lety +2

      dude don't misled people. they can't afford mac especially bedroom producers. still a lot of them prefers ableton. then FL and reason as well for others

    • @howyourgardengrows
      @howyourgardengrows Před 8 lety +8

      Stay true to your roots by using Logic. Get deeper vibes by using Logic. Be a more consistent bedroom producer by using Logic. Just nonsense really.

  • @arturskozlovskis124
    @arturskozlovskis124 Před 7 lety

    Isn't he a bit chubby to be in a dance team?(I'm joking obviously)

  • @anywherenearzero
    @anywherenearzero Před 3 lety

    I’ve watched this twice and to be honest very disappointed. Your showing techniques that we’ve been using for years and years and very basic.