"Rap is Not Music" - Jerry Garcia Interview
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now here's a 17 minute guitar solo
Addendum: I actually like the Dead and I'm just goofing on guitar players because I am one now but started as a drummer.
Guitar solos can be songs unto themselves with different melodies, rhythms behind them, and harmonies with other instruments at the same time. A solo doesn't mean no other instruments are present whatsoever and the guitarist is just playing fast. Look up the solo from the Spirit Carries On and see if that is anywhere near what you are implying here.
â@@SefniAsheforrgood luck trying to make sense or be logical to the minions
@@SefniAsheforr the spirit carries on? damn dude if that's your idea of the pinnacle of guitar solos i envy the musical journey you have laid out before you, there's some shit out there that'll knock your socks off
@@methyod I'm talking about phrasing and emotion, not just technical mastery. Solos that are not just crazy over the top shredding like the initial comment was implying.
Trust me, I've listened to a ton of Prog and other crazy stuff.
@@SefniAsheforr heâs making fun that a long guitar solo sucks ass and thatâs what jerry seems as great music but dismissing rap
This would be a great intro for a rap song btw.
Edit: thanks for the likes!
Now someone put this on a beat!!
Classic rap. Sample someone else's work
Sounds like itâd be a great intro for an immortal technique song
I feel like Ice cube would do it first
Deal.
â@@thundercptts1452hip-hop, actually but no one is perfect. đ€đđż
"Rap is Not Music, it's talking." Well rapped, Jerry.
Oh the irony! It's the dude from The Grateful Dead FFS!
@@davidmorgan6896 Rap sucks.. get over it! đ
@@americanjones500 Not all rap 'sucks'. I'm very much in the prog and fusion camps, but I appreciate that some rap is good. I also see that a lot of classic rock is way overrated.
@@davidmorgan6896 I'm talking about many styles of music!! Rock,R.B, country,soul,blues,pop... Point is musicianship. Rap doesn't do that. They sample (steal) a good sound and spew nonsense!! That's like eating fastfood garbage. I rather have home cooked!! Get me!?
@@americanjones500 I get that you haven't done much to explore the world of hip-hop.
"Music is generally defined as the art of arranging sound to create some combination of form, harmony, melody, rhythm, or otherwise expressive content"
Thanks you for that. Jerryâs ignorance and prejudice here is surprising.
Idk whatâs harmonic about putting the same trap music over the same lyrics
@@trollnope8390 Yes, youâre right. Every rap song is exactly the same and there is no variety.
@@mikxly8147 quite literally yes⊠especially the mainstream rappers the especially talentless (yes Iâm talking about Kanye) same âpussy ass moneyâ rhyming schemes with the same trap music
@@trollnope8390 Do you have a mental disability?
"LSD & Cocaine are not drugs...they have effects and will get you high...but they're not drugs" Jerry Garcia
@tesom it's a sarcastic joke, not a poor example. Jerry Garcia was a known hardcore drug addict & his music was heavily influenced by them. Yet, he had the nerve to call something different...not music. Never could stand this guy
Brilliant comment đ
Sorry what he said hurt you, but he's right. Music has a strict definition with a mathematical foundation. I studied music theory all my life, but I couldn't rap a word if my life depended on it. Rap is poetry and it is art, but it's not music.
@@BitwiseMobile how is rap not music? at what point do you draw the line where something stops being music and becomes something else? is it not convenient and sensible to just accept rap music as music and call it a day?
yea but rap is not music
Yeah⊠and heroin isnât breakfast, but that didnât stop Jerry.
Youâre such a jerk.
LMAOO God bless his family but that's funny as fuck.
It's interesting to see what the video is about and then see a comment like this.
Garcia is STILL right about this.
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Extremely rare Jerry L
@@gabrielbevis1961no
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@@gabrielbevis1961maybe you just havenât found any you like yet
@@jacksonsherman3930 I should've specified today's rap sucks. In all honesty, I do like to listen to Outkast and the song 'Regulate.'
@@gabrielbevis1961 I respectfully disagree. Rap today continues to evolve and get more complex. Rappers like Kendrick Lamar are able to tell stories and provide societal commentary in their lyricism while also creating beats and sampled hooks that make the listening experience itself really enjoyable. I think of rap as being a lot like jazz or country music. People love to trash it but once they give it an honest chance and listen to the best of what the genre has to offer, they either end up becoming fans or at least have a greater appreciation for the style.
He's absolutely correct rap is not music
then neither is johnny cash
then what is it, jeremyâŠ. i canât wait to hear this đ€Ł
@@freequencywc it's ridiculously ignorant hate music for the broken between the ears
Then what is it?
@@jeremywalker2460 you called it music in your own definition.
"Rap is not music. It has rhythm and it has meter and let me just trail off of this sentence because it's starting to disprove my own point... but it's not music!"
You're taking the term "rap" as meaning a genre of "music" whereas he's talking about it in what it really is. To rap literally means to talk. It's a much older slang word meaning to talk that was used waaaay before it was used to describe a genre of "music".
â@@General_Junkie in what world do you live in where rap isn't a genre of music and is a synonym for speaking? even if they're not singing(which alot of rappers do) there is songs that literally have no words, but the only difference is that it was made by white dudes
@@General_Junkie Respectfully, I don't think that's what he means but okay
Music is defined by rhythm, melody and harmony. He didn't disprove his own point. Rhythm by itself isn't music.
@@electromancer2645 yes it is. all sounds have a note, which is why a drum is still tuned to notes like any other tension based instrument. A speaking voice still has melodic properties. Is a Buddy Rich drum solo not music?
Jerry Garcia: âNow Lil B on the other handâŠâ
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Yeah. That's trashy music, but still music
â@@alejandrovillalba3143 lil b is the best human ever existed. hes not trash
@@3ballsinyourmouthIâm God is the only valid Lil B tune. other than that L L L L L L
He speaks the truth, rap is talking
He speaks through his nose....
I can see why he said that since it was such a new form of expression in music but if he was still around im sure his mind would've changed and he wouldve embraced it AS music
Why has someone not sampled this??
Jerry's kids need the money
I doubt Jerryâs estate would give permission, thank God, to use his spoken scripture in that form ofâŠâŠum, art?!
â@@SaybleuThe greatest form of art on đ right now, been that way for the past 33 years
Because it would prove Jerryâs point.
@@biggray2 nah
âWu tang clan ainât nothing to f*ck withâ. -Aristotle
Wearing my Wu-Tang shirt right now. Oh baby I like it raw
They come from a different, a more. Enlightening era and were MCs.. Not rappers.
@@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145 when I hear people say rap I generally assume they are conflating a group of genres together. Maybe Iâm wrong
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Garcia is bigger than Wu Tang way bigger he been around for over 50 years
I love Jerry's natural talking voice it sounded like a family member almost
Great point. Like somebodies uncle. lol
I think it was uncle John
He was 100% right.
Most ignorant shit ever, listen to Tyler The Creator, Kanye West, Kendrick Lamar, Childish Gambino, Denzel Curry, Travis Scott, Earl Sweatshirt, Mac Miller and Chance the Rapper, which is a small list of rappers that have even more amounts of harmony, talent and melody than a lot of other musicians.
â@@Danielvogelbachstan man why are you attaching so much ego with this. Theyre musicians than, not rappers. Clearly youre not understanding that there is a difference.
my balls 100% itch rn
â@@Danielvogelbachstanisn't that all Hip Hop?
Actually, as one whose seen the stages of rap, he's wrong about rap not being able to improve to a higher form and better at. Guys like Canibus, Eminem and more, pushed the ceiling higher than EVER.
New Young rappers sing while rapping.
Is singing music or talk?
Very few people know that Jerry's last words were "John Mayer sucks".
đ€Łđ€Ș You're funny.
@@mikesimonian484
strings > mayer
@@endorphinstudios2023 What strings? The guitarist Strings?
ââ@@endorphinstudios2023 But was Rice better than Strings?? Pffft. I've played for almost three decades and real musicians don't play the "who's better than" game. That's bullshit.
@@alexspringer7666 How would you know that? You speak for all musicians?
This is coming from a guy that grew up in a generation where his parents would tell him that rock ânâ roll wasnât music. All four of my grandparents thought that rock ânâ roll was nothing but noise.
He has a point though, rappers arenât musicians. They write rhymes and other people do the rest of the work.
@@pimpsongaming6089 A musician is a person who composes, conducts, or performs music. According to the United States Employment Service, "musician" is a general term used to designate one who follows music as a profession.
Actual beatnik society
@@Liverkiller but aside from the lyrics what does the rapper contribute? The actual musicians involved with rap music are the producers that create the backing tracks. It takes a lot of time and practice to be proficient with an instrument. Ask yourself how long lil xan had to practice and hone his craft to become a rapper.
@@pimpsongaming6089 first of all, to say they arenât providing anything is bs. you try rapping like pop smoke or kendrick, you canât. writing rhymes and lyrics is a skill and to deny it is silly. second of all, pretty much all rappers are involved in the production of their beats, if they donât make them themselves. And that argument is void anyways considering how many artists have a whole team of ghost writers and producers essentially making the music for them. itâs way easier to make a good pop song than it is to make a good rap song.
Rap is vocals and a beat with occasional other sounds dubbed in. But to obtain the status of "music" i think a song requires harmony, melody and instruments that require more than a beat ripped off of a computer or keyboard. Music is not only a beat, it should contain instruments that combine various notes.
Ignorance must truly be bliss. What a life you live, bud. What a life indeed.
So african drum circles arent music? Not harmony there. Think real hard about it
music isnt just rhythmic
pitch lol. and a beat isnt ripped off computers when your producer or yourself has to literally go in there and program each drum track. it just sounds like ur musically illiterate or just a terrible musician
Half way through that he almost convinced himself that he was talking shit.
Which half are possibly talking about? Every sentence of this rings so true its not even possible to have an argument against. Go listen to JayZ and jerk yourself clown. **edited to say go JERK YOURSELF instead of the autocorrected version.***
I listen to this and it throws me back to when the same thing was said about Rock and Roll. They never learn....
I love you for this!!!
But he's right
@@MarioKL Go back to troll school. You're still an amatuer.
little different. they never said it wasn't. music
@@Oldscule62 nice try, Dunning-Krueger
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This guy's been dead for almost 30 years.
"Drums aren't a musical instrument, it creates a beat, it has rhythm, but it's not music."
â@@Fuzzirahahahaha
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All music is Rhythm. So what a FN re re. Matter of fact Time itself is Rhythm.
He's definitely right about that
No he is not, and no you are not. I grew up on country my entire life. But your opinion on rap not being music is a flawed one.
the only people who think hes right is old white boomers or non musicians.
So wrong. Rhythm is music. Rhythm is an element of music. What drugs was he on when he did this interview?
All of them đ respect to you homie đ«Ą
đcry away
Me hearing this in the 90's: "The nerve!"
Me hearing this now: âI feel you big homieâŠâ
If only he would've said this after the swag era I wouldn't have even blinked đ
Mr morale and the big steppers ?
@@JamieVauxnut1 that is hip hop with music plus rap
â@@illiteratealphabetagency9716 interweave your words differently, a different flow, differemt cadences to add softener melodies etc, I mean you can that even get "sing songy" with the way that you say things to mimic melody amongst other things. That's like saying "how do you get better at talking????", yet I'm sure you'd notice the difference between a Winston Churchill and some pleb from down the street if they both were to give speeches one after the other.
@@hellbind Most of what you described would fall in the category of speech, or poetics, at most, which was kind of the point Jerry was trying to make.
"Anyways... You fellas want to share a sheet of acid with me?"
A sheet ?? Ouff
Worst trip I've had was 1 hit at a dead show. Way too much acid
As a matter of fact, the last time I seen Jerry Garcia in concert I had dropped a tab or two of Windowpane. Always a great show.
@@reillymoore3257 meth?
@@bradsanders407 No, Windowpane was actually acid - it got it's name because the tiny clear squares resembled a pane of window glass. It was pretty popular back then, especially at Rock concerts such as the Gratefull Dead and other bands of that era.
Technically, rap isn't music, but hip hop is.
Hmm, no, its not, its just another form of rap...a step up if you will but still lots of talking in a beat.
â@@TheBohemianAngels How are you defining Music?
@@NayimKay Something that has melody, musical instruments besides a drum beat and a copied bass line. Music has dynamics, singing vocals carrying a melody and background vocals, instruments being played. This is how.
@@TheBohemianAngelsI would say a lot of the producers are musicians at least, sure a fair share of them are industry shell outs but a good handful of them donât just make drum and baselines, maybe when this was recorded 25 years ago or some shit but there for sure is talent in the production scene. And if a rapper or hip hop artist is smart they stick with them. Iâll agree any day that 95% of these rappers do not even come close to a singing and guitar playing head of a band kind of person, but rapping definitely is somewhat of a skill, not only dictation (depending on the genre) but also finding niches and âsoundsâ that work and that people like. A lot of modern rap and hip hop is making interesting and new sounds, sure melodies will be the same for eternity but how theyâre presented is not.
@@TheBohemianAngels where do you get this definition from?
You got to respect Jerry as a musician, he was one of best. With his strong influence the Grateful Dead created their own sound and were very successful.
Wow that was a great rap Jerry!
Lmfaooo
Very underrated comment đ
Yeah!!!
But it wasn't music.
Tha hook waz fire, beat needs work
@@antoinekendall739 then why are artists like kendrick lamar and little simz so much better at it than everyone else?
Damn imagine when Jerry finds out thereâs music with no singing in it đź
not made by "rappers" there isn't lol
that's called an INSTUMENTAL-- & it's totally ALL music , meathead.
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@@davidataturk4357 obviously cause they are rappers. They rap. You're thinking of producers like Kanye and Dre, in which case yeah they do have instrumental tracks too.
@@davidataturk4357 it's fine to not like rap, but saying that it's not music just makes you seem really stupid.
It ain't music until the rappers start dropingđ
A Wise Ole Man....MISS Em , DAILY....SO I HEAR What he left us,.... TIMELESS MUSIC!
âThank you sir. Now could you please tell me your order? Youâre holding up the drive thru..â
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LMFAO. I salute you, sir.
The less funny version of "Sir, this is a Wendy's"
Being good at music doesnât mean you know everything
Jerry Garcia knows music though.
Yeah, but you know some things about music.
...and Jerry isn't even good at music! Poor guy.
@@JohnDoe-od7ye Jerry Garcia knows some music. No one knows music, and thatâs for the better
@@j0ndav1s Most people who play instruments, especially guitar and banjo, would argue that. You might not like the things he did musically, but he was an exceptional player.
What he really is saying: Rap isn't ok, I don't know what to call it but it sucks
If "Subterranean Homesick Blues" is music, rap is music.
Someone edit this speech with a trap beat under it
I'm the 50th like of this comment and should be the 50,000th. Gonna try to do that...
Done! đ it might not be great but I did just this! đđđ
I think thats the point he was trying to get across.
That would just prove his point
On it. Suscribe
"I don't understand the music younger people listen to and it scares me"
"I dont understand what differentiates rap from other forms of music and it upsets me when others point it out"
Jerry's been dead for almost 30 years. Also, Mickey Hart probably laughed his ass off and told Jerry to stfu when he heard him saying this
That would be true for modern MUSIC , but he's right, rap is taking.
@@tsfurlan except itâs not. Talking is having a conversation with your mom, you donât talk the way you rap lol. Itâs a distinct vocal style and as far as Iâm concerned itâs just boomers wanting to gatekeep the definition of music to feel good about themselves.
Bruh. You dont know shit about the grateful dead. They literally had a person in the band that rapped at hundreds of shows in the late 60s and early 70s
Bob Dylan the original RAPPER ! Guess Jerry didn't remember " Like a Rollin Stone " ?
I think Blondie might have something that say about that.
Neither one original nothing to when it comes to hip hop
Like A Rolling Stone isn't rap; he sings it. Wtf?
Before asking if rap is music, you need to define music. Most people would have different answers but the most fundamental seems to be sound in patterns (whether that's pitch or rhythm or both.) Then you ask if rap music fits into that definition, which it definitely does, I do not need to give an example as most contain patterns of pitch and rhythm. Although a large amount of rap vocals are monotoned/not varying in pitch, there is a huge range where rap vocals change pitch melodically, exactly like singing. Rap broke the boundaries of what Garcia defined as music, instead of changing his definition, he shut it out.
Well then hic ups. tourets syndrom, and a bad case of gas qualifies as music to you too.
Translation: old man yells at clouds
Translation: it's OK, it's just not for me.
â@UCMRRQeCXExe2M4-w2wr-vcQ Grateful Dead translation: whine whine whine, get drunk, sleep with underage fans.đ€Ł
not that old, he died at 53.
@@democratictotalitariansoci1462 Old enough to know better. ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
@@democratictotalitariansoci1462 Exactly. It basically comes down to he didnât really care for it, and they used nontraditional instruments and sampling so he couldnât grok. But by that logic, electronic pioneers like Kraftwerk werenât âmusicâ by his dumb standards either since they used computers/synthesizers.
An extremely rare Jerry L
Post Malone sucks at singing and guitar. MGK sucks too. Lil Wayne memed himself with a guitar. Dude, in a suit, who doesn't play music giving his opinion on it? Delusional. . .
Can you name one rapper that can play music on a decent level? The computer isn't an instrument, Patrick. . .
False
Big W for Jerry
Mad dub for JG
His entire career is an L.
I've said the same thing. It's utter rubbish.
And so is your music taste
Unbelievably wrong
alright⊠so you dont like it and therefore its not music???
I feel like people who don't listen to a certain genre shouldn't comment on that genre since the only knowledge that they have of the genre is what's popular. Rap seemed repetitive to me when I was younger only because i heard the mainstream songs, but once i dug deeper into rap, it ended up being my favorite genre. All it takes to understand something is to do research. Being ignorant to something at first glance creates stubbornness. We have the devices we have now for a reason.
He's right without the producers, engineers, and samples. Rappers would just be poets just talking
Oh, just like any other fucking modern musician on the planet, your point being ?
Hahaha haha
GTFOH You're telling me that Bone is "just talking". Even a deaf man would consider "tha crossroads" singing and music.
So Eminem, Dre, DJ Quick, Kendrick, Missy Elliott, J Cole, etc wouldn't be anything without the instrumentals they made themselves?
Could've said Kanye too but fuck that guy
without a band a singer would be the same.
For all the LSD the guy took, he still was not enlightened.
He simply needed a Tupac CD, or Tape Deck
Lol @ the guy who associates LSD with enlightenment
â@Adam El-Nagar Why? It's not about expanding your consciousness?
@@Holy-Rowlo88Garcia is right though. If melody isnât part of the composition, then itâs not music. Rap doesnât have melody.
@@joiningjal2145 Who says melody isn't part of the composition? Is a guy playing drums not creating music? There is no "melody" there(by certain definitions), but it is still music. People twist and turn the definition of "melody" and the definition of "music" to include or exclude things they do or don't like. And if we want to get into the nitty gritty, then we can discuss TALKING, itself, which is composed of tone and pitch. And there are a million examples of rappers pitching their voices higher or lower to be musical. They just aren't speaking into a microphone in a monotone way with no inflection. The people that argue that hiphop and rap isn't music are people that create their own narrow definition of "music" to begin with that you have to argue inside of. It's silly. We all know what music is.
He's speaking the truth
No, he isn't
@@carlose9180 lol. Truth hurt?
â@JeffreyGlover65 I honestly don't understand the phenomenon of the greatful dead and I think it's utter trash it makes me cringe but I'm not gonna say it's not music. I think he is either a puriest or a snob either way it's an opinion that's gonna fire people up doesn't make it fact especially when alot of hip hop since it's enception in the 70s has had singing and dancing in it. ( better dancing than dead head dancing)
No he is not
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Oh lord, please donât let the unforgiving babies see this until they lighten up a little. đ
Or learn to play an instrument instead of talking crap
I AGREE VERY MUCH, RAP ISNâT MUSIC.
Listen to The Roots and I dare you to still have such a limited perspective.
@@jovanreid6782 WHAT âMUSIC DID BLACKS LISTEN TO DURING THE DARK AGES & DURING OUR REIGN IN JERUSALEM?
Nah you're out to lunch.
@@jovanreid6782 TAKECARE MAN.
@@royaltylordprinceshamiyah1229 escalated quick
And I'm sure his parents' generation said the same sort of thing about rock n roll back in the day .
No they called it devils music
No, stay Mad he said the truth about that stupid "Music" Genre
@@devonripley7862 shut up Devon nobody likes you
That's what's so sad about it. Just as close minded and ignorant.
Programming beats into FL studio and mumbling over it doesn't make you a musician. Performing live in front of real people with an instrument/voice is what a musician does. And before you say beat writers are composers....there is not much complexity involved in virtually any rap beats, hence why they all use samples and recognized motif's of great musicians. This is like saying the "art" featured in the Museum of Modern Art in Los Angeles is actual art. It's not, it's absolute crap.
If we acknowledge rap as music, it easily has to be the lowest form.
It's not music have melody, harmony, not just rithim and not necessary words if you take of the words rap ends there, music don't need words to exist
đ€Š okay buddy.
And neither does Lupe, evidently.
lowest form is country pop
@@dementionalpotato thats closer to the truth
Jerry is right
My next door neighbor rapped in the forest.
He had a tree that had a strap strap, tacked to the strap was a tap tap, he opened the tap out came sap and put it in his baseball cap cap. He slaps open a map map to find a place for a nap nap.
Iâll stick with Alabama Getaway, West LA Fadeaway, and Not Fade Away thank you.
I would agree if he said rapping isn't singing. But rap is definitely music. It has rhythm and melody and structure like other styles. It's just it's own style.
It's more like poetry.
The music is borrowed however and usually not original. Itâs a lot easier when you have something to work with already
Itâs not music itâs just rhymes with beats made by a app n not real instruments
@@christianjohnson4489why does music have to contain real instruments? And also why is a synthesizer (what is primarily used in rap music) not considered a real instrument? It plays notes
@@longdongsilver9714 he means more about sampling. Early rap artists just sampled everything with an acai and called it a beat
Jerry and I agree. There is limited bandwidth in Rap,but not in music.
so,... words have limited bandwidth?? It is the predominate form of communication.
So does that mean that music writers aren't musicians or they fit in more with poetry?
By classic definition he's right
I now have Jerry Garcia in a pouch & I got it from his brother, Barry Garcia!!!
Well I just saw an official Fully man!
Jerry Garcia In a pouch- maaan.
Donât forget the funyuns
That's Andy Garcia's brother.... đ
He is 100% correct.
Nope
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@@hotties3v3n triggered because someone disagrees with you?
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Not reallyâŠhe quite literally described it as being music while explaining why it isnât music. âTalking in a rhythmic meterââŠis literally still music. Even tapping on a desk with a pencil to create a rhythm/beat is music.
@@TopSecretInformationsto be fair as a musician they are in fact wrong factually. Rap is quite literally poetry in the form of music.
Rap is people talking about selling drugs, committing crimes, being in a gang, etc while the music of other artists play in the background. They call it sampling but they are straight up using someone elseâs work and calling it their own
Small brain
@@dolphinenergy3411 No Iâm speaking the truth. One of Tupac âs biggest songs, Dear Mama, is not his music. He used others peoples work to help make himself famous.
They call it sampling but itâs taking the easy way out. Instead of making something original they rely on what someone else has done. Vanilla Ice did this and was made fun of, somehow it became cool to steal music afterwards
I would take an imperfect live concert with musicians playing instruments over a rap concert with someone talking while playing music, made by someone else, electronically. It doesnât take much talent to let a computer do the work for you
And metal is satan, right?
â@@MikeHart72You're in the wrong universeđ
As a professional, I can confirm with complete confidence that rap is music, as music is just clever noise. You can pretend it's more than that and convince yourself otherwise, but that's all music is
yeah i know. it's like saying a drummer does not produce music, it's just rhythm. he's very wrong indeed. basically, if you really really speed up any rhythm you will actually get actual frequencies, hence notes and hence music
Professional what, rapper?
â@@HkFinn83 no rap professor lol jk
professional what? tell your opinion to Mozart.
@@lgoler Knowing who Mozart is doesnt make you an authority on music.
RAP=Rhythm and Poetry
Retards attempting poetry
@@spleen8834 What are you 10 and just learned a new word?
I agree, rap can be an art form, like poetry or theater, but it is still NOT MUSIC.
While rap shares similarities with poetry due to its emphasis on rhythm, rhyme, and storytelling, it also incorporates musical elements such as beats, melodies, and instrumental accompaniment. Additionally, rap artists often use various vocal techniques and musical arrangements to create a unique auditory experience for the listener. YOUR OLD đŽđ”
@@Saintace873 Yes, it does, as does theater and other arts, it incorporates music, yet it is NOT music. And yes, I'm probably old and I'm anything but a virgin, but thanks for the compliment, don't worry you'll get old too. And let me tell you that rap is even quite a bit older than I am. đ€Ł.
@@Saintace873 Hello, I'm old enough to tell you that it's not "your old" but "you are old", or you'll get old being a poor ignorant....
@@mmh7980 yes you are old đŽnot only that but mentally as well which I believe is a choice so i will not join that but as to rap being music and not ONLY art understand In addition to rhyme and rhythm, rap music encompasses various musical elements such as instrumentation, production techniques, and lyrical content.
While rap is primarily driven by vocal delivery, it often incorporates musical elements such as sampled beats, synthesized melodies, and live instrumentation. These elements contribute to the overall sonic landscape of rap songs and add depth to the music.
I hope I educated you
@@kimokinium4892 are you calling me ignorant i really donât understand what youâre trying to say
Heâs never heard of the talking blues? Bob Dylan is a master of this. Itâs Alright Ma is a good example of this and it is in essence âRap.â
Dylan can't really sing . So it's a bad example
@@rickybobby9886 Rappers canât sing either. Thatâs why they rap.
@@bderrick4944 not true some rappers can sing. Lauren Hill
wrong answer,who is Dylan??
They said this about jazz, rock and so on. Rap has crossed over to everything we call music.
they stopped saying that about rock and jazz a long, long time ago because it was never true
they still say it about rap. Why? Because it's still true and will never stop being true.
What makes that statement true?
Okay folks, Jerry isnât talking about rap as in 2pac and Big. Rapping was a term used in the beginning of his era where people would be spitballing words back and forth to each other that didnât have to be coherent or mean anything. Educate yourselves about Neal Cassidy & the Merry Pranksters
A lot of R&B artists, soul singers and funk bands felt the same way (Prince and Rick James for example) but eventually got forced to experiment to be commercially viable.
That still doesn't make rap artistically relevabt nor culturally valuable.
From the golden age of discourse when you could take a stand and propose your opinion.
You literally still can. You're confusing receiving criticism with not being able to voice your opinion. You can say what you want, but other people are also allowed to disagree with you.
@@billyusher4907 Others were allowed to disagree with you back then too
@@billyusher4907 the internet hadn't created the retarded mob mentality most young people have these days though so people would actually think for themselves, not just repeat what's popular online
@@666sk8erguy Exactly. So what's all the complaining about?
@@billyusher4907 people not thinking for themselves
Well Jerry rap does have that space for getting better, but the improvement is not in the music, but in the rapping itself, improvisation talking.
This interview was from over 30yrs ago and Jerry was a boomer even then, literally! I have no doubts that given the chance to evolve his opinion on this subject through more and more exposure to the genre over the years he would have revised his proclamation seen in this clip. He definitely would have come to recognize Rap as well deserving of the classification âmusic.âđ¶
I've always thought rap isn't music. Thank you.
Youre a special needs kid Arent you
You were right.
"It's OK, there's nothing wrong with it and I have no problem with it". Notice how long it took him to say that, he thinks the opposite and I agree with him.
I can't stand listening to rap personally, but it certainly fits the criteria of being music.
Rap is not music is talking.
I have always said that.
Music for me is singing with melody and harmony.
a real GOAT once said "Once you free your mind
About a concept of harmony and music being correct
You can do whatever you want"
Giovanni
Jerry didn't need any help freeing his mind
@@TheOrangeRoad sure sure, Lysergic acid diethylamide
@@SouLo_47 limited slip differential
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Whole lotta đŽ energy in this one
Whole lotta raysist energy in your comment.
No it's just his opinion.
Whole lotta đ” in yours
Buddy didnât even say anything. âI canât imagine thereâs room to growâ as if heâs going to be the one to see it
Oink oink đ· đ· đ· that's all i hear.
The ONLY thing I've ever heard Jerry Garcia be completely wrong about! Even the hippest soul isnt always the quippest soul! i love Jerry!
I love Gerry and I love Rap music. Funny th8ng is that They used to say that about Rock and Roll and Jazz.
I get that rap isn't singingn but saying it's not music is just crazy.
incredibly subjective and this tool has no metric to measure how music can be better
He's using the word music differently I get what he's saying
@@NLORGx Then what is he saying then? It just seems like he's just dismissing an artistic expression he doesnt like to not be valid
â@@vapingfury4460 Not really. He never denied that it requires a certain skill, just that it does not require musicianship in terms of being able to play an instrument or write a melody. Let's face it, a lot of rappers have very little to do with the creation of their tracks other than choosing a pre-made beat and then rambling over it. In terms of intelligence, it is very telling that most of the commenters don't even know who this man is.
@@vapingfury4460 I thought he was referring to notes as music because my grandpa does that sometimes he'll say I like the music but don't like the words if you get what I mean not saying I agree I listen to tommy wright 3 stuff
It is music. I don't even enjoy rap, but it IS music old man.
The irony is that he actually has a rap album named after him! Searching for Jerry Garcia by Big Proof (RIP to both).
I like bands and the chemistry that is able to come from a collection of people playing different instruments
My sentiments exactly!
Nothing better to than real musicians and song writers getting together to create MAGIC!
@@slinkystarfirelight5968 jerry garcia in this video here, and his band the grateful dead, were amazing at this, the improvision between the members during live performances was spectacular. They could play in perfect harmony with each other for hours
Like rush
@@jfromstate8581 brilliant
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@@jimfish1595 favorite song actually haha
heâs not wrong. Heâs talking about actual music, you know notes on a paper, rap is a style of vocal delivery, thatâs all
Would we consider singing vocal delivery only? Iâd argue theyâre equal itâs just singing is generally slower with less words. But the main issue I have with this is people not recognizing the music under the rap has to be made by someone. Wu tang, mf doom, Mac Miller, Eminem, Outkast, Jurassic 5, AOTP, all people and groups who made their own music to rap over. And Iâd you think about the era of rap heâs referencing (today is a lot of digital and live stuff and thereâs a huge difference between Flatbush zombies who use live instruments and digital stuff vs the people who use just pro tools) there was almost a pure necessity to create your own music. There werenât giant digital sound libraries or Fiver to have someone whip up a beat. It was always a combination of sampling (which people like doom and J dilla turned into a form of art and composition) and live instruments. At the very least I can think of probably 20 rappers who taught themselves to play piano the same way Elvis did. Tyler the creator for one. Itâs just about how much you really want to admit goes into it. Proof - Forgive me ,which is ironically on his album Searching For Jerry Garcia, Bust Rhymes - Hurt You, where they might not have the best lyrics but rap along a classical piano, or a club hit DMX- Party up Iâd say all have good examples of how your vocals have to be used beyond âtalkingâ. You singing in a choppier way. And then the Tiny Desk of Mac Miller where they do his music live as basically a jazz set.
And as far as writing note on a paper thereâs just too many syllables in rap to do that like with singing. But that doesnât mean something like Hamilton doesnât write the syllables note for note and it doesnât mean rappers donât have to do that. Their words still have to be placed in an order that makes musical sense otherwise youâll get clashing notes and rhythms that donât match like any other for of vocal delivery.
@@motionblurofhappy7804 I donât think heâs saying itâs not an art form that should be appreciated. Heâs just saying in his opinion itâs a different art form than âmusicâ. Like poetry isnât music, but itâs just as valid of an art form.
@@ikeu6433 I donât see the harmonizing in hip hop. Of course there might be an exception (Bone Thugs is the obvious, but they donât really harmonize, they just rap at the same time) but if that is the case then it would only be amended to say 98% of rap doesnât fit the definition. Generally, music is something people think of as being played by a group of people and the sounds they make create a harmony. Maybe itâs just semantics, but I understand what heâs saying and why. I would tend to agree with him, but I know itâs a tricky one.
Edit to take back what I said about Bone Thugs, I seem to remember times in some songs where they would harmonize together. Itâs been a long time since Iâve listened to their music. This is a good excuse to go back and listen again, I liked them a lot in high school.
@George Hale The beat in most rap actually has harmony, as far as I understand. So it fits the definition.
Jerry Garcia has a point, since music involves instruments and rap just uses a microphone and a turntable that is technically a system that makes beats.
Music is art, rap is an art form. It is like a rhythmic poetry. Hip hop has been a huge influence on me in my life, but also the Eagles, Hank Jr, and Elton John. Itâs all beautiful.
Rap is like creole, itâs a mix of music and style and rhythm to communicate a message
That's a fascinating comparison, well done
The message: Get money, fuck bitches.
"I canât learn anything from it." - Ray Charles on rap
Just hate.
Then he hasnât listened to it lmao, you can learn all kinds of things from rap lyrics.
@@HDitzzDHthe fuck was Ray gonna learn gsngbanging?
@@HDitzzDH oh yea? like what?
@@retroonlinemultiplayer9196listen to TPAB
Rap is Rhythm. Drums is rhythm. Drums is music. Rap is music.
False equivalent
Drums isn't music though, it's meter. Well unless your Danny Carey
No
No harmony
No
I got the privilege of seeing the grateful day three times. My dad was a hippie. He dragged me around everywhere.
Like Buddy the Elf said âSinging is just talking really loud.â
Donât agree with your dumb logic. Not everyone can sing. Everyone can rap.
@@kimijonghighball9626 spit some bars then.
@@anwkydong5992 rap is wack and your mom smokes crack... I guess i'm a musician now, and your moms a cow
@@fucuszullanti7877 Bars. If I drum on pots and pans with wooden spoons am I not a drummer?
@@GearZNet Whatâs your point? Havenât you seen those street performers who use buckets and trash can lids to drum?
After a certain age people just dont want to change anymore. No longer open for new ideas. Human nature. This proves that Jerry was human
Rap is not a new idea anyways.
It's not music
Doesn't mean he wasn't open...It was not his taste...He was careful not to hate on rap
@@boostjunkie2320 by saying it isnt music? ....... owkaayy
@@LDN76 I don't really know what makes music "technically"....So good luck with that question....Jerry Garcia is someone who is actually knowledgeable of music....So ask yourself, did you disagree with anything he said specifically?? Me personally I have heard rap that I would call music...
You should also remember this was from late 80s or early 90s...Rap was pretty new then. Different world. Different perspectives.....
Couldnât have said it better myself, especially with modern rap and music in general I canât really respect it knowing that is has been written with so much auto tune and pre set tracks that it is not like music should be.
He clearly hasn't heard Playboi Carti
Music is a lot like candy. You throw away the wrappers.
I will be quoting this! Thank you very much.
@@Journey-of-1000-Milesok boomer
No boomers here! L O L get a life!
@Fallen OffTop 808 bass sounds are incredibly boring. Can't you offer him something better to be bad at? I know, I know - all tracks forever must be made with an 808...
L O L Iâve got more chops than a butcher shop!
Right into his grandfather's footsteps, who said rock wasn't music.
Rock didn't exist when Jerrys grandfather was around
@@markme4 Maybe he was hating on boogie woogie, I am not sure, it was a long time ago.
@@BWOOHAHAHAAA lol , that sounds more feasible
Thatâs the way it is folks.
Eminem has entered the chat.
Respect to Jerry for his opinion. Played about 3000 concerts and also one of the most influential and respected guitarists and easily one of the most unique, melodic, mystical styles out there.Go and try to figure how he plays. He has the most poignant and eloquent voice.
I could play like him but I don't want to be on heroin for 20 years
â@nochepatada5282 Jerry was ALWAYS a great guitar player and artist, way before, during, and after his opiate use.
Amazing musician, but this is a bad take. Rap is most definitely music.
I remember these times when people could have possible "unpopular" opinions like this without the fear of repercussions.
Yeaahh, I mean, is still a vague opinion without any argument and probably someone would point it out, but just that, nobody would call him a neo-naz1
â@@euron1361 I wouldn't say there's no argument. He said that rapping will not make you any better of a musician. Which is weird, because if you mastered the guitar playing metal, and you were forced to become a sax player in a jazz band, you would only need to learn the physical nature of the instrument. Your mastery of music will transfer anywhere. But not rap
@@jamesalexander958 actually is wrong, unless you play tech death or progressive metal nothing will transfer to jazz sax playing, but it doesn't mean other genres of metal are not music, same with rap, the possibility of transfering skills form one lenguage to another is not what define music, and neither the possibiloty of "becoming better" at one particular style, by the way, I see a lot of ways to improve rap, like being more conscious of accents, combining beatbox with rap, playing more with timbre, there's still a lot to do on rap, so... even if becoming better was what define music, rap still would enter in the category,
@@euron1361 you are completely wrong about nothing transferring unless it's a specific genre. Anyone who masters the guitar in any genre will understand the theory behind any other. Classical, metal, jazz - it's all knowing chords and scales. Even the gypsies to melody they learned in the middle east and applied it to western harmony to get flamenco.
The guy has a great point. It doesn't mean I agree. There's no way to say anything with a beat isn't music because it all originated with pounding on drums.
@@jamesalexander958 classic black metal guitarist barely could transfer any skill to jazz because not all the music is about scales and chords, black metal is more about timbre, same with punk guitar players, that's why I said that maybe prog metal guitarist or tech death would be more related to jazz
Much as I really love Jerry, and I do, heâs wrong here. Iâm sure heâd have changed his mind with the years too. Heâd never have said that drumming wasnât music or that a drummer wasnât a musician; he worked with some incredibly creative and musical percussionists. As soon as you add words to the rhythms, you get rap music. Anyone whoâs ever heard Rakim or Eminem or Black Thought knows how much rhythmic variation can go into hip hop in the vocals alone. In a lot the best hip hop, almost all of the rhythmic variation is in the voice, with the instrumental laying the foundations. Rakim got his rhythmic flow from jazz and is also a saxophonist; his rhythmic flow is like a jazz player, always shifting around the beat. Iâd say Jerryâs guitar playing has more in common with Rakimâs phrasing than he realised! And thatâs a compliment to both of them.
Old man yelling at a cloud
You need to evolve
Young people eating listening to and talking shit