POPE FRANCIS has brought DIVISION
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Summary
The conversation discusses two articles, one by Eric Sammons and another by Larry Chap, that highlight the concerns and confusion among Catholics regarding the current state of the Church. They express a desire to clean up the Church while remaining loyal to the Pope and acknowledging the problems that have arisen since Vatican II. The conversation also delves into the controversy surrounding Pope Francis' motu proprio Traditionis Custodes, which restricts the celebration of the traditional Latin Mass. The guests argue that the suppression of the Latin Mass fails to address the deep desire for tradition and reverence among many Catholics. They criticize the lack of pastoral accompaniment and transparency in the decision-making process. The conversation concludes with a discussion on the importance of upholding reverence in the liturgy and the need for the Church to address the concerns of traditional Catholics.
Keywords
Catholic Church, confusion, loyalty, problems, Vatican II, Pope Francis, motu proprio, Traditionis Custodes, traditional Latin Mass, reverence, pastoral accompaniment, transparency
Takeaways
Many Catholics feel confused and let down by the current state of the Church, but they remain loyal to the Pope and acknowledge the problems that have arisen since Vatican II.
The motu proprio Traditionis Custodes, which restricts the celebration of the traditional Latin Mass, fails to address the deep desire for tradition and reverence among many Catholics.
There is a lack of pastoral accompaniment and transparency in the decision-making process surrounding Traditionis Custodes.
Upholding reverence in the liturgy is important, and the Church should address the concerns of traditional Catholics.
The conversation highlights the need for a balance between tradition and progress in the Catholic Church.
Titles
The Importance of Reverence in the Liturgy
Balancing Tradition and Progress in the Church
Sound Bites
"Faithful Catholics are caught in the middle. We desperately want to clean up our church, but we have no desire to separate ourselves from the bark of Peter."
"The rise of the popularity of the Mass of St John the 23rd, the traditional Latin Mass, was caused at least in part by a strong sense of dissatisfaction with the Mass of St Paul the 6th or Novus Ordo among a broad cross section of a regular mass attending Catholics."
"Traditionis Custodes calls into question the sincerity of the entire synodal process."
Chapters
00:00
Introduction and Discussion of Eric Sammons' Article
02:40
Transition to Larry Chap's Article on Traditionis Custodes
04:20
The Importance of Reverence in the Liturgy
08:41
Double Standards in the Church's Treatment of Traditionalists and Progressives
12:30
Questioning the Transparency of the Vatican's Survey
18:26
Is Pope Francis Undermining Pope Benedict XVI's Legacy?
Finally, while it is off topic, back in April, I drove well over 400 miles from my home in Ohio to Chicago attend a talk by Catholic Unscripted. I was lucky enough to speak briefly with Gavin Ashenden and then Mark Lambert. I asked Mark Lambert to pray for my son who has fallen away from the Church and yesterday, he finally attended Mass again. We do not totally understand the way GOD works, but I would like to thank Mark and Catholic Unscripted for promoting the faith as well as their prayers. Sure, there are other good Catholic You Tube sites, but Catholic Unscripted is my favorite Christian You tube show which I try to watch every day. It is unique and it has a balance way of promoting the true Catholic faith and Catholic morals.
Still praying for Kwamia! 🙏
Thank you.
When the faithful can't see the line between secularism and The Catholic Church, then The Church has lost its True Doctrine and mission.
100% correct
@johnjoyce1958 The Globalist Administrators of the Catholic Church of Vat II have hijacked the Seat of Peter and replaced Peter with Judas, who is actively working with his masonry minions to darken the light and sweeten the salt that Christ requires of his Church.
While I was in the nondenominational world and speaking to most Catholics, I couldn't see any difference between Jesuits trained teacher and an atheistic democrat. The morals of the two were identical as far as I could discern. Their view of Scripture was the same. Their view on politics were the same.
I wonder if the world can see the line anymore either. I pray in our own lives it is clear.
There is only one choice to make and that is between what is true and what is false. What is false cannot become true and what is true cannot become false. If The Church is True then whoever sows false doctrine must not be listened to. Everything else is just politics.
Purported presumed choice between "knowing good and evil" (Gen 3:5); that is, "between what is true and what is false", is occult as hidden. In the context of the "worldwide catastrophe" of sexual abuse, it is incest connected as substitute mate.
Dear friends, I thank you from Argentina for you comments. I agree with you both absolutely. Also with Gavin Ashenden’s inputs.
I can not understand why pope is trying so desperately to destroy catholic tradition and beautiful Latin Mass and it seems he is so accepting of all other godless pagan cultures
He's communist. And the communist religion positions itself superior to all others.
That's just the way it works.
Satan's influence. Pope Paul VIth said "the smoke of satan had entered the Vatican" and Our Lady's message at Fatima was about the corruption of some of the cardinals, bishops and priests. We have to step up our prayer life because the one Church satan wants to infiltrate and destroy is the one that Christ Himself started.
He's a commie
Because he is a m@son.
Maybe he’s trying to turn them into Catholics which is his job.
Thank you for making me feel sane while all this chaos is going on around me!
Order ab chao
Sometimes things need to get worse before getting better. That has always been the case throughout history. We are living in that crucial turning point. I think that the conspiracy/possible prophecy about Pope Francis being the last pope could mean that he will be the last of the popes of a certain kind, because our next Pope will truly need to be of a different calibre to deal with such extraordinary circumstances. Please God give us a pope that will guide us through the upcoming turbulent times, where war is not only a consequence of greed or revenge, but also a consequence of pride and arrogance. We need humility and decency more than ever, but also resolve and possibly reform in a currently unthinkable kind of way. May the Holy Spirit manifest soon and reveal to us the way forward.
I'm sorry, but for once, I must differ with you. Reverence without substance is just play-acting. The faith and liturgy are about knowing we've sinned and asking for God's mercy. The NO, even one reverently performed one, does not do this in a palpable way. How can it be when it is so man-centered? The faith is more than a safe space to raise my kids. It's a place where my kids learn to be faithful and seek heaven. I spent 50 years in the NO and for the last 10 at the TLM have come to know that there was everything right about the faith of my fathers and that we've been robbed of it. We want not just reverence. We want kinship with the supernatural.
BTW, to chapp's mention of pachamama: that so many weren't wounded by the obvious breach of the first commandment is astounding. The lack of cry to heaven from every Catholic tells me we have lost our Catholic sense. I must conclude it's because we don't pray that way in our liturgy or teach our children to know better.
I don't think we do disagree on any of these points. As Dr Joseph Shaw, Chairman of the Latin Mass Society and a good friend writes in The Liturgy, the Family, & the Crisis of Modernity: “The progressive project simply leads to apostasy: this was clear long ago. There are progressive theologians and prelates who are comfortable in their well heated and well carpeted institutions, with their squashy chairs arranged in circles and plenty of biscuits on little plates. But they preside over a conveyor belt of young Catholics on their way out of the Church: lay people, religious, and priests. As this process has continued, their institutions are quietly closed down or merged. Selling buildings can produce lots of money, and this pays the bills, but we are approaching the final stages of the process. 10 years from now liberal Catholicism in Britain will be insignificant; in 20 years it will be gone. There will be a regretful notice in the last liberal Catholic periodical, comforting the few readers of its final edition with the thought that the faith journey continues, whether nominally Catholic or not. And we will hear from them no more.” We must be careful to acknowledge, however, that there are a majority of Catholics who have not even experienced the TLM and to dismiss their faith or experience would be insensitive. Look at Africa for example!
Absolutely agreed! Any way in which a Novus Ordo mass is dressed up with reverence is just making it more similar to the Latin Mass, which does all the features better 10/10 times and is organically cohesive. The fact that the Novus Ordo has to be qualified with the adjective “reverent” to describe something rare and unique is quite damning. Besides, it’s not just the old liturgy but the old Faith that we want. The very one that the Modernists have been warring against.
Archbishop Lefebvre would never have signed all the Vatican II documents if he thought they were going to bait and switch the Novus Ordo.
I am a converted Catholic and I’ve been in the church since 2019. I watched my first ever Latin Mass this past week on Churchservices/ tv from a London Parish. I thought it was beautiful and extremely powerful. I probably wouldn’t go to a TLM on a regular basis but I’m flummoxed as to why it should be eradicated. I love, really love our Catholic faith and I think each individual should have the choice as to which Mass they attend, I would be very happy and grateful to have both types of Mass running alongside each other, if only it were available in my area. Thank you for this discussion. God bless 😊
You have hit the nail on the head with the lack of reverence in masses the amount of chatter and noise amongst regular catholics. I have noticed Eucharist ministers at the end of the mass after communion are allowed by priests to return chalices to the tabernacle as if they were retuning the blessed sacrament to a kitchen cupboard. And when the chalices have been emptied of hosts or wine there is a lack of removing or cleaning of the chalices the way priests used to. The Eucharist in a number of cases when distributed seems to lack reverence but you cannot make assertions about Eucharist lay people and what they are thinking.
A number of years ago at the parish I was then attending, our bishop offered a Pontifical High Mass. Communion was, of course, given under only one species, but even so, with only two priests at the altar, and an attendance of close to 1000, Communion went more quickly and efficiently than it did on the garden-variety Sunday morning with only 250 in attendance and an entire chorus line of “extraordinary” ministers. I’m far from being a “Rad Trad,” but I really think that the distribution of Communion should be reserved to priests - and ad orientem wouldn’t hurt either.
PRAY, PRAY, PRAY FOR THE TRUE CATHOLIC TLM OF OUR LORD, JESUS CHRIST !!!!
Catholicism has always had divisive issues. As Catholics working through them is why we’re still here.
Welcome again from Australia, wet cold and miserable Victoria.
We have priests who apart from learning Latin, also do Novus Ordo ad orientum. I note that lots of younger priests are frustrated at the directions they have to follow rather than what comes naturally (reverence? to the Eucharist). Perhaps waiting for the next Peter? Older priests my age, (pre vat2) are in the main,just not interested.
Thank you for your wonderful channel!I I believe Benedict took the wiser route by allowing Catholics the option of attending the TLM if they wanted to.. I've never heard anyone dare to make the claim that attending the Latin Mass is in some way harmful to one's spiritual well being..
While I go to a Novis Ordo Church myself, the family who lives behind us go to a TLM Mass, while we don't agree on everything, they are very faithful Catholics and promote Catholic morals as well.
Of course they do - they go to the TLM!
“While we don’t agree on everything…” like, frivolous things or actual matters of faith, because if the latter, you should.
@@EpoRose1 I would say most disagreements are on style, not substance.
Thanks as always.
Your numbers are looking good! Can't go up fast enough!
It is shocking that we face these divisions in our Chruch. We have such experience of how to have co-existence of different preferences and focuses in the Church. One need only consider our Religious Orders - each with their own charism, focus, way of doing things, and so on. This has been done for centuries without major problems, because there has been respect between orders and acceptance of one another. If, instead of focussing on the differences, we decide to be open to accepting that there are and always will be various points of view in the Chruch and that, with these, we are still all God's children, we will find peace and unity again. We must pray for God to bring us togather again.
to Derrick Knight, What reveals the occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate, differences between activities of church role groups is an exercise of an absolute power of authorisation by consecrated marriages, celibate vowed to man in Christ or male female vowed to God.
This exercise is in the keeping in uncertainty of belief of the inseparability and qualitative equality of these marriages resulting in advantageous combining of all their ensuring procreation role gift activities and insuring being need of union as inseparable and qualitatively equal in a double keeping in uncertainty of belief causing/caused by a triple trinitarian keeping in uncertainty of belief in covenant, non-presumed reciprocity.
Because the TLM does not line up with their novel and false ecclesiology, Dr. Larry. 🙄
The truth is that Vatican II called for an organic development of the old mass. That did not happen then, it has not happened now. The new mass, as it was eventually implemented, which was after they jettisoned the mass, that I think was the one of Paul Vi, a mass that included at least some Latin and although rather sterile to me, was also not really organic. So the actual problem is not the old mass itself, that is a fixed item that is well defined BUT needed development or improvement. That improvement was to make participation easier, like so people did not just pray the Rosary throughout mass, which some did, not many but a few. Plus, people were disconnected from the prayers at the altar and had trouble following the mass. Improvement IS needed in the old mass, absolutely.
Many times the "celebration" of the new mass also falls far short of the mark, since it is betrayed out of the box by etymology: celebration means "having a party" and a celebrant means a "master of ceremonies" a ring master of a circus kind of thing. Lost, is the sacrifice of the mass, and along with that is the loss of one's own offering, however humble and imperfect of NOT ONE"S MONEY, but oneself. The person. I mean in some places they put the money basket on the steps, as though THAT is the offering. Yes, money can be part of it, but it AIN"T corban, you can't buy off the thing YOU must sacrifice, i.e. yourself, the whole you. You can't buy off your obligation.
Benedict had it right, he wanted the old mass to inform the new, to lay a groundwork for an actual revision of updating of the mass envisioned by Vatican II. To overcome the sick thing where a hired cantor of any or no belief belts out shopworn milquetoast songs between sips of iced-coffee at mass, before madly driving over to the Episcopal Church to belt out the same noise, while some woman waves her, she/them or fury paws over a cup of some kind. Sorry I digress.
The point is we are not there, and we won't get there until the leadership owns up to the actual problem of the thing they never admit to, and won't, because there is not money in it for lawyers: liturgical abuse. The on-going not DOING WHAT VATICAN II CALLED FOR IN THE MASS.
I mean do they think we cannot read the documents?
There is no more excuses for Francis. He is not good.
I really like listening to Mark Lambert. He starts off downbeat and lightly demotic in expression. As he advances into his subject he becomes punchier and punchier until, towards the end, he is scattering all before him (intellectually, I mean!). It's a great broadcasting style in my view and I, for one, always feel like cheering at the end.
Time for Holy Orthodoxy guys!
25:18 The Vatican went looking for a problem, didn’t find it, and went ahead with their preconceived solution anyway.
Although “deeper reverence “ is an aspect of the popularity of the Tridentine Mass, the real issue is deeper doctrine.
Until it is admitted that the New Mass misportrays the Faith, we are simply talking past each other.
And the two thinks are inextricably linked: Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi!
Thank you as always for a marvellous video.
Outstanding podcast. Thank you.
If you know the attributes of modernism, you’ll know EXACTLY why Bergoglio shuts down DEVOUT CATHOLICS.
Read ABBA FATHER, Bonaventure Perquin. This is a small book that modernists wish would have not been written.
I came into the church only 3 years ago. I enjoy many aspects of the Novus Ordo, but when I attend the TLM, I much prefer the reverence, the silence, the kneeling to receive communion on the tongue. I want to be part of my local (N.O.) parish, but there are times the sloppy dress, bad music and Eucharistic ministers gets overwhelming to deal with.
Vigano was not and did not act schismatically.
Although I was saddened to read he had been excommunicated, I had to remind myself that in 1431, Joan of Arc was excommunicated; 25 years later she was rehabilitated and her judges were declared full of fraud and malice; in 1920 she was declared a saint. If Viganó was misjudged (and I admit that such a decision is beyond my pay scale), I hope his rehabilitation won’t take quite as long. As for canonization - once again, beyond my pay scale.
+JMJ After 53 years of the NO, I won't be going back. I'm not holy enough to withstand its irreverence, casualness, distraction, dissonance, parade of human ego, inanity, banality and outright suppression of Catholic identity and Tradition. The NO impeded my relationship with the Lord and the Blessed Mother. I thank them every day for leading me to the TLM, the Mass of the Ages. ❤
Not trying to be mean but it really feels like amateur our at the Vatican since Pope Francis' election.
Orthodox here. I thought that the Roman Pontiff was a guarantor for unity. What happened?
Our Church was infiltrated some time ago. This goes right to the top.
You thought wrong. :) There's always been diversity of views in the Catholic church, as in yours. We Left-wingers sat quietly during the previous two papacies, but it appears those on the Right are no capable of showing the same concern for the greater good of the church.
@@paddymeboy That´s because it is not possible to be both catholic and leftist. Catholicism is not about politics. We are not democracy we are kingdom and Jesus is our King. We may disobey Him but it takes us away from His kingdom. We cannot make comittie or political party and vote our King out of his throne just because He doesn´t correspond with what we want Him to be.
Leftism promotes anti- Christ policies: muredering of the unborn, feminism, lgbt issues and promoting sexual perversions and breaking of family, divorce, contraception...
You cannot be catholic and promote these. You cannot be leftist and not promote them.
You are servant in your King´s kingdom. You are not citizen who will vote your king out to be replaced with political ideologies.
There is no leftism in catholicism. There are people who call themselves catholics while bringing in coup d etat to put Max on the throne of God.
You can enthrone Marx on worldly thrones-no problem there. Wordly thrones belong to Satan.
But you cannot enthrone worldy policies on the throne of God.
Your faith is not defined by worldy policies. Worldly policies are to be defined by your catholicism. If you are catholic leftist you are in the same catoghory as muslim gay paraders or gays for Palestine.Just as in those cases, you know much about worldly policies and leftism while having very insufficient catechesis in your fatith otherwise you would know they cannot fit together. You are helping evil while virtue signaling Marx agenda. May Jesus free you from all ideoligies which are not His may he liberates you from all demons of communism, luciferianism, free masonry.
@@paddymeboy "We Left-wingers" 🤣🤣🤣 good luck with that
@@paddymeboySat quietly? Where do you live? Here in the US, JPII and BXVI couldn’t utter a syllable without “Left-wingers” taking to the microphones and denouncing them.
Dr. L. Chapp and Dr. M. Lambert, two brilliant theologians.
As I see it, liturgical reverence that is not anchored in living the Gospel is just idolatry. For many, Pope Francis is sailing too close to the Gospels. It happened to Jesus too.
The point on seeking a safe place to raise their children without all this toxic perverted culture (or perverted priests) is important. I haven't found a parish yet that I know for certain as most of the times its impersonal. I do not know anyone well enough to say for sure. What I do know has been generally well or we wouldn't be there. But we only see most other Catholics at Mass or some Church function. So, you could say we have Church friends. But it is odd none of them really want to be friends outside of the Church setting, though we are certainly open, yet most are standoffish. Most of our friends are non-Catholics.
We hear about Catholic communities were families hang out and kids get to know each other outside of the Church or its functions. But for us it's like a movie or something, not reality.
I think your content is excellent but it's difficult to watch the unsynchronized video and audio. This happens quite a lot lately but not always. I'm hoping that you can address this. Thanks for all of your hard work.
Yes, sorry about that. One of the reasons that we continue to encourage membership is because the support that we receive through this will hopefully mean that we can invest in improved recording equipment and production support staff. We are quite a long way from that now, but hoping and praying and doing the best we can in the circumstances we are now in. Your prayers are appreciated 🙏
Would you all decrease the amount of your ads on the channel. Many of us are bronze subscribers at least. Too many ads hurt your channel. If you need the ad money just ask us to patiently listen those ads, but maybe have 1/4th as many. You probably make more overall on ads that way.
We don't control the ads - CZcams do!
Thank you ❤🕊
Thank you.
In Vatican II, the Church turned its face to Jerusalem, to the Passion. (IMHO)
This is not just division but rather encouraging people to embrace what does not create a room for Christ within in otherwise Francis want Catholics to reject Christ without knowing. Francis decisions have much to do about the world and not about Christ and his redemption for minkind.
Francis is a straw man? It wasn't Francis who took away the Mass!!!!!! The church of, Vatican 11 changed the church and openly wanted all things Roman Catholic removed which we have all lived through. The current Pope is only following their path.You are dancing around this unlike Archbishop Vigano who has courageously, after much dancing around it announced this openly. Sancta Maria Ora Pro Nobis!
The Eucharist must originally have been celebrated in the language that Jesus, Peter and the other Disciples spoke. That was not Latin that no doubt was adopted when Peter moved to Rome. What can be the problem with celebrating it in the language each of us speak.
Is everyone in the comments just going to ignore Luke 12: 51-53?
Confusion and division are not from God, but from His enemy, Satan. So we know whom the sitting pope is serving.
But is really the pope?
I'm afraid I find I am in agreement with this comment as below: I'm sorry, but for once, I must differ with you. Reverence without substance is just play-acting. The faith and liturgy are about knowing we've sinned and asking for God's mercy. The NO, even one reverently performed one, does not do this in a palpable way. How can it be when it is so man-centered? The faith is more than a safe space to raise my kids. It's a place where my kids learn to be faithful and seek heaven. I spent 50 years in the NO and for the last 10 at the TLM have come to know that there was everything right about the faith of my fathers and that we've been robbed of it. We want not just reverence. We want kinship with the supernatural.
BTW, to chapp's mention of pachamama: that so many weren't wounded by the obvious breach of the first commandment is astounding. The lack of cry to heaven from every Catholic tells me we have lost our Catholic sense. I must conclude it's because we don't pray that way in our liturgy or teach our children to know better
Lot's of trolls under the bridge today! 😂
Yes, and so original. “PoPe FrAnCiS iSn’T dIvIsIvE yOu ArE!” Like the arguments of a child.
It is not the Pope who has brought division, but bishops who do not understand that to disobey Peter is to reject Christ, and those who follow them and endlessly discuss them publicly. Trust that God chooses Popes and guides the Church. Try silence and prayer. You do not have knowledge of the international Churc as the Popes do. The Church is not run on private opinions. The excommunication is because of Vigano’s public SCHISM not arguments about Mass in Latin. +
Directed at Mark,did vigano speak the truth? If so the Pope did have a choice and should have agreed no?
Do you mean Viganò's report on McCarrick? Viganò has released a lot of stuff now and some of it is quite niche!
@@marklambert5232 Thanks Mark,I must be honest iam not up on all the details.I have heard him talk about the Masonic infiltration and the general progressive slide as does Richard Williamson,that is the nitty gritty and I have a feeling you may think this is a bit "conspiracy theory".
In fact this is what has drawn me to catholicism as it's the only "authority" willing to speak openly about it.
This is divisive!
Get behind your pope and stop bellyaching.
Pope Francis has not promoted clown masses. Once again, your foolish selection of a thumbnail image demeans you and undercuts your credibility as a reasonable, sober Catholic channel. This way of getting clicks is wrong.
I think this image illustrates the point we make in the discussion that, if the Pope was truly seeking unity, he would at least be as vociferous in prosecuting liturgical abuses in the N.O. as he is about shutting down the Traditional Latin Mass. His position is inherently polemical.
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vee-guh-NO. vee-guh-NO
Please! How often does Mark need to be told about this basic fact of pronunciation? It's totally off putting to keep on hearing him mispronounce that name!
@@guynicholls8154And to make it worse, far worse, @20:28 Katherine pronounced the silent T in _often._ Mark gently corrected her @22:38 and @23:02.
@@TP-om8ofGavin is guilty of this too. Mark wins.
@@guynicholls8154Mark is in training.
@@catholicunscripted I know, and I’ms expect better from a King’s Old Boy. No wonder they kicked him out of the C of E.
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Gal 1:8..vat ll..gal 1:8..vat ll..gal 1:8..
I don't think you can really say that the new mass inoculates you from the full teachings of Christ, as that implies rupture; rather we've just been fed on milk instead of meat for too long and are weak and ill. This is perhaps why, I think, the young are recovering quicker, once they are exposed to Tradition, than the older generation 😂❤️
Pope Francis is a living saint.
Stop grumbling. You set out a stall which doesn't appeal to me and then assume all catholics are like you. Mass is sacred to me and most people i know when spoken in English. I read my bible every day and hear Christs Words in the Mass. The 'truth to the culture' is found more in the local language than in Latin. I agree with restricting the Latin Mass and having to ask the bishop before using Latin. I, like most people, do not speak Latin nor am I spoken to in Latin. Its a bit like the CofE which was criticised when they tried to pull people away from King James English. I can't understand what you are so angry about.
“Mass is sacred TO ME WHEN” So you accuse people that go to the Latin Mass to be divisive, then make what version of the Mass SUITS you instead of what is pleasing to God. If you think the NO is as pleasing, or even more pleasing to God, then fine. But it’s NOT ABOUT YOU (which is something I needed to realize and I’m sure more people on both sides need to realize.)
You obviously didn't watch the discussion!
Clown Mass in your thumbnail, seriously? This channel has become an absolute disappointment!
I think this image illustrates the point we make in the discussion that, if the Pope was truly seeking unity, he would at least be as vociferous in prosecuting liturgical abuses in the N.O. as he is about shutting down the Traditional Latin Mass. His position is inherently polemical.
Pope Francis has consistently emphasized unity and warned against division within the Church, rather than promoting it. The message you are spreading on CZcams misrepresents the Pope's stance. Concerning the spreading of "division", you should consider the biblical wisdom from Matthew 7:5: "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
There has been division in the Church for 2,000 years. If you have a beef with Pope Francis, take it to your parish priest, your Bishop or the Vatican. Don't take it to the internet to promote more division, the division you so readily criticize Pope Francis for having spread.
Try paying attention to deeds instead of words.
The pope is a material heretic (not yet formal). That's the essence of division. If you don't know how then you haven't been paying attention.
I recommend a little book titled Influence, about manipulation techniques used to control others. It's eye opening.
Do a thought experiment. Let’s say the next Pope does the reverse of Francis. That is, he clamps down on NO and makes the TLM the norm. Do you think the all Catholics who attend NO right now, admittedly some of them very casual, would suddenly become totally reverent ? I really don’t think so. Those can’t respect the NO will do the same to the TLM. The TLM attracts more serious people. But it’s not TLM that made them more pious.
Po😊pe Francis has not brought division. People like you have brought division.
I'm not confused frightened or lost.
I agree.
But you seem to be blind. Tell me, Is the death penalty admissible or inadmissible? Two Millenia of Catholic teaching says admissible. Pope Francis says inadmissible. Well, which is it? He is a material heretic. That's just one instance.
Po 🥴pe Francis is division incarnate, dear... 😘
You should be concerned about the state of the Church which has deteriorated during the reign of Pope Francis with his confusing & divisive style, which is classic Jesuit ie ambiguous
The threat of banning the TLM speaks volumes about the Pope’s real agenda of One World Religion which is in lockstep with the One World Government agenda. No Pope in history has been so anti Latin Mass as Pope Francis.
Ignorance is bliss. Learn the Faith, read the Catechism of Trent or Credo by Bishop Schneider. Then you will see from who division comes. May God bless you.
No he hasn't brought division. People like you have.
You people are the ones causing division. You need to do some hard thinking about what your faith is really about, and what is only comforting custom or tradition.
Oh dear,I read a previous comment of yours that Marx was doing good.
You are either very misinformed,ignorant or both.
I disagree. There is only one Truth. All this new stuff in contradiction to that truth is from man. Those standing by the Truth as it has been passed on to us through the Apostles are not the divisive ones.
For heaven's sake wake up to what this Pope is doing and then be specific about where you think the Unscripted team are wrong. Blind obedience is sinful.
@@paddymeboy you totally missed the whole point. I for one go to an average Novis Ordo parish myself. Did you even listen to what the Brilliant Dr. Chapp and the brilliant Dr. Lambert said?
@@maryharrington8983 Very well said!