Dune 2020 Will Be VERY Close to The Book
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^ This!
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lol. I was trying to think of what it should be... and bam! you nailed it!
Ideas of Spice and Crys.
Here's to hoping for the best!
Well Dan and Dave for HBO Game of Thrones said the same AND the Syfy producers DID technically KEEP to the wording of the Books but the ACTING production sets and directing kinda SUCKED for the first DUNE TV movie then got better 10times fold with the Children of Dune - ** SYFY Children of Dune3 (decent visualization like Lynch/DUNE) SAMPLE playlist ** czcams.com/play/PLC34E5CF002224561.html
Whenever people doubt Denis' passion for the Dune project, I show them my favourite quote of his: "Since I was 12 years old, there was a book I read, which is 'Dune,' which is my favorite book...the producer of Alcon asked me what I would like to do next. I said, 'Dune,' spontaneously...For me it was just a dream, and I guess I'm lucky that Mary Parent from Legendary got the rights and offered it to me. I can't say no to that. I have images that I am haunted by for 35 years. I will not say no to that. That's going to be the project of my life."
Now that is comforting. Thanks for sharing.
As opposed to David Lynch who never even read the book till after he was picked as the director
Praise the emperor
@@LoudmouthReviews Worse even! I've read several times that Lynch wasn't even really in the mood to make a sci-fi movie at the time...
SonataFanatica It’s why Lynch’s Dune is such a mess. On top of the issues with the length it seemed Lynch wanted to make a dark, grimy, body horror picture not a Sci-fi epic
Hayden Christensen should have been cast as Paul just so that he could say his iconic line again. "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere." Gives me chills every time.
Chani: I'm not afraid to die. I've been dying a little bit each day since you came into my life.
But Paul actually likes sand.
Zannai Face Dancer it would be his character arc, initially he would hate the sand, but it would grow on him
At least get him a cameo.
Ivan Zubov 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I trust in Denis Villenevue. The Desert scene in Bladerunner 2049 made me think of Dune. The visuals are just great. I loved Prisoners as well.
Honestly, I hope for outstanding actors and actresses that none of us have ever seen before. Create some new careers!
literally the only movie im hyped about in ages
Same! Marvel isn't really my thing and Star Wars has been on the rag since Disney gutted the expanded universe. I can't wait to see a trailer for this movie.
@@astromanofficial are you my soulmate? when i heard disney ditched the expanded universe i was like ... WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS? these are harsh times for us
Fuck remakes
@@astromanofficial Tbh the expanded universe was not consistent and a lot of it was already clearly non-canonical or just bad with some popular gems.
DO not hype. Itäs the best way to just invite shitty movies right into your living room.
Want a great Dune experience? Read the book. Listen to the audiobook. Films always compress and cut content.
I actually like Lynch's film quite a lot. The atmosphere and visuals were great.
Can't beat the soundtrack. And the worms were perfect.
Lynch is a genius and an American treasure. From what I understand,he didn't have total freedom with this movie,and before long,lost interest in it altogether.
Overall the Lynch version (the actual Lynch version, not the butchered theatrical cut) is a great movie.
And the music was great, done by Toto (yes, that 'Rains down in Africa' Toto)
@@Manospondylus totally agree ... plus Jessica will be hard to beat.. lynch got her spot on with Francesca Anis
.... yeah, that's the thing...for a film universally said to be 'not such a good movie...there are scenes, and characters, and performances and images and sounds that are seared into my brain from the first viewing till now. I see the obvious problems sure -- but the sheer artistry and impact it has on a gut level almost overcomes them for me, honestly. It's a really cool fking movie.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mindkiller. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see it's path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles #1.
It's weird that nobody ever mentions the SciFi channel's Dune and Children of Dune. I thought they did a good job staying true to the books.
Cass Smith It was alright. That’s about as much as there is to say about it. It lacks the spectacle that a movie budget can provide and Dune needs that.
@@violator7964 Agree, it was faithful to the books, but it's small budget hurt it.
James McAvoy's performance of Leto Atreides II completely captured my favorite character of the Dune series. He wasn't that well known back then and I KNEW this was an artist we would be seeing doing great things! I still watch Children of Dune (Scyfy) at least twice a year. Yes. It was THAT good!
But they were soooooo boring...
@@catedipome Agreed on McAvoy. I knew he was a star in the making from that show.
I try to see the ‘84 movie as a David Lynch film rather than a Dune adaption. If you get what I mean. Its more Blue Velvet than Bene Gesserit.
Then see - ** SYFY Children of Dune3 (decent visualization like Lynch/DUNE) because it's not as trippy but the feel energy of a Byzintine scifi space feudalism feel nice sets it gives off and the actors as Paul's children look more like Lynch's Paul & Chani, just ignore that Syfy Paul is germanic blond, = D Finally JAMES MCAVOY first real stand out role!
-- SAMPLE playlist ** czcams.com/play/PLC34E5CF002224561.html
@klyana130
*Dune Miniseries Paul is a REDHEAD and he has RED hair.*
*Paul's hairstyle is even the same as Sting's in the Lynch version - it's a homage to Sting.*
*SAMPLE pictures:*
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*And*
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*Paul is a redhead - he is not blonde.*
*Don't ignore going to an Optometrist to get some glasses.*
*Also, Paul's children look like the Miniseries Chani & Paul.*
I'm as curious about the aesthetic as I am the story.
I've no doubt it will exceed even Blade Runner 2049's (which already seems impossible to beat)
I'm really interested to see what the stillsuits and harvesters will look like, and how the ornithopters operate. I have pretty strong ideas of how ornithopters should function in the Sci-Fi universe of Dune. There are some huge parts for which the casting (as far as I know) are yet to be announced: Thufir Hawat, Liet Kynes, Princess Irulan and Emperor Shaddam IV.
@@bothi00 Nah, from someone who loves 2049, I think he can easily surpass that movie in terms of visuals.
@@miguelpereira9859 hence why I said I have no doubt that they will exceed.
That said I honestly would be 100%okay with the film being delayed another year or 2 even. Just to give Villeneuve all the time he needs to make it as perfect as he can.
Villeneuve is the hero we need but we don't deserve.
I loved Prisoners and Arrival but BR2049 changed my life.
Also: I"ve seen some set photos of Dune (im from Hungary where they are filming the studio scenes).. and dear god we are in for a visiualgasm
Bálint Szollár I was so scared about blade runner and it was fucking amazing
@@natasha8007 it's everything
After seeing EL Topo years ago, I'm sure Jodorowsky's Dune would have been a bigger mess than Lynch's.
Absolutely, he would have trashed the book by doing what he wanted. There was a documentary about his version and it would have been horrible. David Lynch's version was great in comparison.
Bless the Maker and His water.
Bless the coming and going of Him.
May His passage cleanse the world.
May He keep the world for His people.
Wow 😳
This might be
my first time in
an actual theater
in a decade or more.
Thanks for psyching
me up, bro - needed it 🥂
I'll be marking the release date on my calendar. Last time I visited an actual movie theater was .... I can't remember
Patrick Stewart should play Emperor Shaddam IV
Stilgar. Stewart for Stilgar. Pleees
Johan Gustavsson
Pretty sure Javier Bardem has already been cast as Stilgar
The question is; who will play the delectible Duncan Idaho?
@@TomeOfKnowledge009 Jason Momoa
@@TomeOfKnowledge009 big guy from Thrones
Dune update from Ideas of ice and fire! Im a happy person. Keep up the great work you are very well appreciated.
My favorite book and my favorite (sci-fi) director I couldn’t be more excited!!! Blade Runner is one of the greatest movies of all time imo and he did such an amazing job with 2049 I couldn’t wait to see what he did next and when I heard it was DUNE!!! Well nothing could be more perfect.
Saw the 1984 film first. Loved it.
Then I read the book.
I want this movie to be the film that puts Jodorowski's project to bed forever.
Supposedly though Jodorowskis would not have been close to the books much really
Yeah, is was just a form of the Metabarons and other weird French comics that he has had some involvement with.
And we have all seen The Fifth Element, right? Read the comic The Incal and then come back to me.
@@Jangel0302 The more I learned about Jodorowsky's vision of Dune the more I appreciated having the Lynch version. If it wasn't for the Lynch version, I likely would've never been interested in Dune in the first place (many of us saw the movie before reading the book).
I saw the 1984 film. I read the book after thatnand I thought the book was much better. I haven't read the book for a while and I feel that I must do before I go to see this movie. I love Dune.
I hope that it is, we deserve a movie truer to the novel than we got in the 80's.
@@mrdoctor3623 Because I am not a hand-wringing self-loathing idiot. I am a fan of the author's work, and while it is always extremely difficult to faithfully adopt written work to cinema, there was so much left out of the movie it isn't even funny. That's why I think "we" deserve it. Assuming you can do more in life than fog a mirror (and your next comment will likely reveal whether or not this is true...) you may include yourself in "we" .
@@karlchilders5420 The Sci-Fi channel mini series, while low budget with bad costumes, was closer to the book.
@@Keihryon I"m not gonna lie, I didn't see it. I didn't want to be let down so I avoided it. I can see a miniseries or produced volume set being successful, whereas a single movie in its own right is going to be damn hard to pull off. Someone like Netflix or Amazon has the stroke to pull off such a thing these days, or perhaps even an HBO or the like, although I do not believe they have the minerals to attempt it. Shit, they killed Deadwood when it was fucking SUPER popular.. Then we get a little movie 12 years after the fact? just wow.. I hope the new movie does well though, I really do.
@@mrdoctor3623 He meant "we" as in "the world". And he is right: the world DOES deserve a true Dune movie.
@@karlchilders5420
It's interesting point
I'm big fan of Herbert's books. But I enjoyed Lynch's Dune as well. I've love aesthetic / decoration and music. I didn't expect that less than 12 h movie can follows book.
I think the best interpretation of The Baron might of been the mini series.
Yeah Ian McNeice did a perfect job as The Baron. Though due to television restraints it doesn’t get into just how twisted he was in the novel. Even touching that subject matter would easily net an R rating
Indeed McNeice was great, but I trust stellan. I think he will be more ruthless and less refined. I never imagined the baron as an archetypal aristocrat, less as a negative cliché of homosexuality.
Zannai Face Dancer How are they gonna handle Stellan’s lack of weight? The Baron in the book is morbidly obese
Loudmouth Reviews A fat suit?
Yep, a fat suit, makeup, and prosthetics.
I really like the miniseries. It's crazy how many people aren't impressed by it.
*The Dune miniseries is as close to perfection as its going to get.*
I loved the miniseries.
The effects in the first Dune series were abysmal. And the clothes!!! And CoD was little better. But no worse than you could expect from tv scifi at the time. I still loved them though.
And its acting (apart from William Hurt) and story retelling was great. In hindsight the story retelling was better also than Villeneuves part one.
And CoD is the better of the two series from SyFy. McAvoy is outstanding. And Ian McNiece is a good baron.
Charles Dance as Padishah Imperator would be absolutely amazing!
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I though Gary Oldman was in that role?
Oh ok, i'm not sure. Gary Oldman is a good actor, but Tywin is one of my favorite figures in Got and Charles Dance is one of my favorite actors. I think he would be a perfect Dune Emperor. But this is my opinion!
Dude, you ARE the kwisatz haderach of Dune updates!
“ I will kill him!” Sting deserved an Oscar for that.
Please say you're joking?!
Dune is my favourite book. David Lynch’s film was amazing though. So many sparks of genius. The Sets, costumes and soundtrack were excellent. The liberties Lynch took were actually pretty cool. The fremen come across really well.
The canon must flow, I must ready my crysknife. I can't wait for our water to mix as we go over your analysis of Dune 2020
HYPE IS ON.
Whatever flaws the De Laurentiis / Lynch film has, it was a bold and ambitious attempt of casting this epic story in a less than 3 hour film. Much of the set design, artwork, costumes and practical effects (the navigator vs emperor scene ffs!) has long since become iconic. Many loathe the narrated thoughts, but I like the fuck out of them -- it totally fits the atmosphere ... "plans within plans". They tried their best, the soundtrack is exceptional and Laurentiis almost went bankrupt over the project. So this might be a reason why it feels rushed toward the end. Some Dune fan made a "novel cut" from all the material plus the deleted scenes. It's the best cut of them all.
I hope Villeneuve stays true to that promise and takes the best things from Lynch's adaptation (costumes, set design ideas) and ports them to this new attempt of filming the story.
It would be a blast.
I always felt that Lynch's adaptation had great sets which really captured some of that Dune vibe, just terrible acting. Not that the actors were bad, but that Lynch's direction of their acting was totally out of place for the sets and costumes they were in. It's like watching a Twin Peaks/Stargate crossover.
But you're right, it has become iconic and I hope this new movie doesn't completely overshadow it.
I watched Lynch's Dune first before I ended up reading the books in my twenties, and so Paul Muad'Dib will always look like Kyle Maclachlan to me, and Stilgar will always look like Everett McGill. The guy who played Duncan Idaho, not too sure who that was, he died in the 90's, but for some reason Duncan Idaho just permanently looks like him to me (Jason Momoa as Duncan, yeeeaahhh I don't know about that).
But Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck?? That doesn't work once you've read the books. However, Stewart still gives the performance 110%, as he always does. Just buries himself into his roles. Hopefully Josh Brolin can pull off a character who is supposed to be quite repulsive in appearance, yet fiercely loyal, charismatic and sensitive to truth and beauty once you get to know him.
Many fans have made cuts and fanmakes out of the cut footage and stills ect.
For me the best one I have seen is by Spicediver. Not sure if it is still available here on CZcams, but if it is, and you have the time, its worth watching it if you enjoyed the lynch version.
Hoping this movie is worth the years of waiting. If its not, then by Shai-Hulud I swear I will wait another 30 years till someone does a damn CGI animated series, that has the time and money to do it RIGHT! lol
People bash that movie all the time, I don't understand the hate. The Lynch version was one of the pillar movies that got me interested in sci-fi as a kid. I also believe it's one of the most unique movies out there in terms of acting, dialogue, and style.
Agreed!
@@silverbane8065: I guess that's the one I meant. At least the final product, with credits and everything. Stellar work.
I really liked David Lynch's Dune. (There were a lot of problems of course and admitted to)
The costume and set design.
The characters were good (great actors). (Personally I wanted to see the whole series with these actors.)
It had the grainy film on the big screen. (Indie film) like most 80s movies of that time. Good movie going memories.
I love Lynch, and even his least favorite still holds a place in my heart. The true brilliance of his movie, for the time, was probably the addition of the internal voices. As much as people seem to hate them. The thing with the books is that they're insanely epic and take place over the course of millenia. The entire galaxy has an incredibly complex heirarchy and history, and the characters tend to do a lot of thinking. To make things even mor difficult to grok, many characters have mind-bending psychic abilities. With film being a visual medium and the books being intellectually heady, I'll be very interested to see what the comprehensible corporate-approved middle-ground is.
Insanely epic?
I could not stand again that stupid who was supposedly the lady Jessica. And what about Chani? So sad, they chose two pretty faces but ruined two beautiful characters. Do not want to speak about Irulan because I do not care about her in any of her versions.
That movie was full of bad casting choices. Its not helped by the fact that it's obvious that the actors are struggling to understand the characters they were trying to portray. Bad directing and a lack of source material is to blame for this.
Completely agree with you. Maybe McLachlan knew at least something about the first bookk, but you must listen to what Virginia Madsen said in an interview. She was chosen knowing absolutely nothing about Irulan. Just don't be fooled by her beauty and listen to her. I had the feeling that she was actually laughing at us.
Just rewatched your video today, thanks for this! I am really excited for the new movie this year!
Staying cautiously optimistic! Thanks for the update. 🙏
Well, well... Iam just old enough to remember that the Dino de Laurentis people said the same thing about the first making of this book into a film way back in the 80's. Hope this one turns out better than that one did.
I honestly thought that movie was better than Star Wars.
Yass Charles dance if they ever make a first law series movie or show I say Charles dance should play Arch lector Sult
OMG he would be perfect for that role. Charles Dance tormenting another cripple, what's not to like.
Arrival is one of my favorite sci-fi movies ever and Bladerunner 2049 is a masterpiece of cinematography. I couldn't think of a better person to make a Dune movie. I cannot friggin wait to see it.
Blade Runner 2049 is by far one of the most overrated films of the last decade, and the fanboys who say it's a "masterpiece", really expose their lack of insight, foresight and knowledge of the universe Philip K. Dick crafted.
BR2049 was really good looking. And for once Zimmers music was actually suitable.
But my god it was too long, boring, shallow and laden with selfimportance.
But that might be a generational thing. I am old and i find that modern blockbuster movies are less concerned with poignancy and dramatic acting, and more with posing. And everything must be on the nose, spelled out and explained.
I have spent 35 years after Scotts Blade Runner still thinking about its implications. I left BR49 mostly thinking about the inexplicable motivations of the characters. The only sympathetic character in the entire fim was Batistas replicant.
Thanks Quinn for your videos! I'm listening to the audio. It's atmospheric. I like that.
But I'll better know where I am because of your vids 👍
But I hope he gets inspired by the art style of the 1984 movie. It was pretty impressive, I thought.
that movie inspired the popular sci fi wargame Warhammer 40K
Agree, the art, costume, sets of Lynch's film were quite good.
Well, Moebius is sadly not around anymore, but the old drawing may still be there.
Visually, it was, and it was well acted, but the material that they left out made it feel vastly inferior to the work product it could have been. Nobody can argue that the cast was not A rated - some of the finest actors of that time (and since) were on that project. The screenplay is all I have a problem with, but that is the heart and soul of a movie, so it's critical to get it right...
I just love the art design and the music. Gotta love Toto and Brian Eno
I think I remember that Jodorowsky didn´t even read the whole book
His ideas looked good on paper, they made for great illustrations but would have made a dismally embarrassing movie.
@@wadewilson6628 in your opinion
@@wadewilson6628 What are you even doing here
Man I love your channel dune is my favoriate book series and I really hope this will be faithful, I'm excited.
Good update, thank you. BTW volume on the microphone seems really low?
I want fully face-covering stillsuit masks or I riot
Pierre Martin but in the novel the recicle water aparatus does not cover all the face
Sounds good in theory but visually it's kind of bad...
Probably won't happen for the same reason knights don't wear helmets in movies. The actors want to be seen.
Doesn't make for good character portrayal on film...
@@akrybionand I, as an audience member want to see the actors, you know, act.
I really love this channel for one reason: we seem to see eye to eye on SO MANY things regarding Dune. Agreed totally about the Lynch movie, it's not as bad as some people make it out to be, but at the same time it doesn't really come close to the grandeur of the book. And though the costume and world design was very well done, I always felt that it was Lynch's vision of Dune and not what Frank had in his head while writing it.
I also heartily agree about Jodorowski's dune. I also watched that documentary some years ago on netflix, and I was baffled as to why everyone was so reverent about his movie. Sure it may have been his 2001, but in no way was what he had come up with anywhere NEAR the book! He changed so much that if he had made it, he should have re titled it and changed just a hair more to make it a totally new thing, as it had become.
I was a little horrified that it almost got made TBH! And all the while everyone single interview in that doco completely glossing over the fact that he completely disrespected the story! I wouldn't be surprised if he read the book and all he got from it was "This will be my 2001" without actually reading the book!
I also really enjoyed Blade Runner and Arrival, the latter a little less so, but only because I figured out the twist in the first 10 minutes or so. Other than that it was a very well put together movie! And Blade Runner was just... wow. I was sceptical of Denis before that, but as soon as I watched it, and then heard about Dune being in his hands that I thought we might finally get the movie for this book that it truly deserves! TWO of them! Which is ALSO what this book deserves!
I hope they begin with some kind of prologue that isn't too talk heavy to explain how we got to the start of the book though, or at least never explain it fully and just let it be humanity in the far future and what we become. I honestly can't decide which would be better! Which is why Denis is the man on this one! XD
Keep up the great content man. You are like Dune Jesus, and I'm atheist!
I think what captures the enthusiasm for Jodorowsky's Dune is that it wasn't made. It is unknown, mysterious and enticing even given what we know. Now, disclaimer: I have not watched that documentary. Only heard others talk about it. Should I give it a look?
@@Tultwo2 If you love the book, you should. The documentary makes it pretty clear that, while it might have been spectacular and on the same level as a 2001, the one thing it would not have been is a Dune movie!
I am glad the project fell through in the end! Though I would whole heartedly have supported the movie if they had changed the name etc before starting actual production!
@@ballsrgrossnugly Alright, thank you for the recommendation. I'll be sure to check it out sometime soon here. Have a great day!
@@Tultwo2 No probs, It was on netflix at least in australia a few years back, not sure now. But then again, probably on youtube somewhere by now.
Have a goddun!
hey just subscribed ! not relating to this vids but do you know anything about the robopocalypse movie adaptation and what do you expect from it ?
1. That is a VERY big promise to make...
2. I wonder how its gonna play out the character's thoughts.
3. I hope the ornithropters have flapping wings this time. And that Baron Harkonnen is portrayed accurately and the shield fight scene looks cool.
4. I wonder what the Navigators will look like.
Woo-Hoo! Dune hype! I can't wait for this!
Even with Villeneuve at the helm, it's tough to imagine it being as perfect as it could be considering the scope of the novel. It seems it'd more suited to a television series (ala game of thrones).
Even a running time equivalent of Godfather part 2's, it's hard to imagine they'd even cover half the novel to do it justice. And there's no way the studios will allow him to do that.
Honestly the movie I'm looking forward to most this year. Denis is an amazing, artistic director and he does not sacrifice story for art, but rather seamlessly blends them into a final product that never fails to blow my mind.
I would love to take movies like the 80's Dune and give them an animated rotoscope overhaul. There are a bunch of movies that would be great re-released with a modern animated treatment to take old special effects out of the equation, and it would be based on the original film so you dont lose the original, you just give it all a twist. Anyone else ever think this? There are like 40 cool movies that would work for this.
What are your thoughts on the Dune Miniseries released back in the early 2000's?
Were better than the 1984 version.
It was great :) It's old in cgi standards but it gets the flow of the story really well.
Well, yes. Obviously they aren't gonna tell you that the movie WON'T be faithful and WON'T honor the source material.
Thank you!
I agree but he makes a convincing case in the video. Also, they didn't have to go out of their way to give any info on that (although it might be a prerequisite for any sci-fi series fandoms)
You're absolutely right, though a lot of people won't want to hear it. As someone who's been in fandoms for all sorts of adaptations, I can attest that ALL of them promise to be faithful to the books, to honor the books, to remain true to the books' spirit, blah blah blah. It's standard practice when it comes to an adaptation of a work that has a large and vocal fanbase already in place. It's meant to placate so that the existing fanbase will get on board - they know how troublesome a rebellious fandom can be. Everyone in ASOIAF fandom from before the TV series can recall when Benioff and Weiss used to post on Westeros.org, promising to honor the books we loved...and look how that turned out. Whether it's true or not when it comes to Villeneuve and Dune won't be known until the actual films are out. Taking everything with a grain of salt is the smartest move, while hoping for the best.
Thanks for posting the link, I wish this was a standard practice.
Wow, glad to see this update!
Kudos to Denis, for staying true to the spirit of the DUNE source material. Especially in America, we need cinema that sparks intelligent conversation and makes us think.
I believe Jodorowsky specifically says in the doc that he was making *his* Dune. Not Herbert's.
Finally someone said it. The Jodorowsky Dune would be an awful Dune movie. Actually it wouldn't be a Dune movie at all. Totally agree
It was a very interesting documentary, but as soon as he said he never read the book, I was turned off by the whole idea.
It's great that it won't be like Dune 1984! I wonder though, will it be more faithful than the TV mini-series? As much as I preferred it to the 1984 movie, there was space for improvement. It would be great if Dune 2020 took it even further and better!
Also, the people behind Dune 2020 seems like hard-core fans of the book series. I kind of worry that their movie will reflect tone of all the books rather than just the first one. There was a certain kind of magic which was in the first one which missed in later ones. The same can be said about the entire opening trilogy. I wouldn't want the movie to be affected by the books which came after the God of Dune.
If this reboot of Dune carries the flavor of Arrival and Bladerunner 2049, it should be a great success. I took my time reading the book a few decades ago, and was so immersed in the intricacies. Can't wait to see this adaptation.
I love Jodorowsky (we're compatriots), and I'm also glad he didn't get to film Dune. I've seen the documentary about the film, his version sounds like an Amazing movie, but it's something of his own, it's not Dune
"Filming began on Dune 2020" sounds SO much like "Filming began on June 2020"...
Denis Villeneuve just won Filmmaker of the Decade Award by the Hollywood Critics Association
Great to see ideas come true before we pass our time and become just an idea blown away by time .
But how many things and ideas succumbed before enlighten us?
"in the spirit of.." doesn't mean "faithful adaptation"
That's what I thought. Hopefully he doesn't change it too much.
True, but no movie, even not a two-part one, can include the full book of Dune. It's just way too complex. But these words give us hope that the real messages of Dune, all the things Herbert wanted to teach the reader, will be brought into the film despite it shortening the surface plot.
I thought the same thing... And I cringed when he suggested that the director needed to take the opportunity to "say something," which usually means injecting current cultural sensibilities into a work of art to make the author say something he never intended to say. The themes of Dune are plenty relevant without that nonsense
The Dune books are my absolute favourite. I'm soo buzzed for the film.
books is long and boring
My two favorite scifi movies have always been Dune (1984) and Blade Runner (2017/2049). I was very very happy with Villenueve's adaptation of Blade Runner 2049....prob the best movie I've seen in a while. I have SUPER high expectations for his version of DUNE. Just re-read the book last week and I am so pumped for the release.
"would not be anything like the 1984 movie"
But... With the exception of the ending, the the voice powers being part of a physical weapon... And the heart plugs, and the poison being revealed to Thufir Hawat, and the Baron being soo sick....
Ok, so there is quite a bit that was changed. But Frank Herbert gave his approval to all of it, particularly the way the setting was portrayed.
His only serious complaint, was the end, were Paul was made into a God, and able to make it rain.
But my God, I am excited for this new film! With it's pedigree, it does sound like it will be truthful to the original works, and have even better design language than the 80s film set design... Which was so beautiful.
I seriously doubt they will not inject 2019 politics into this movie. It's in everything now..
Denis Villeneuve did say that this movie will be like a "star wars for adults" when he was asked to compare his work to the likes of the recent star wars movies.
That combined with his intention of keeping true to the books has me hopeful.
If you read dune you would know how applicable our modern politics is on the themes
He isn't that type of director.
You clearly have not seen Denis Villeneuve films then.
Yes he's made films where politics appear a little as subtext (Incendies, Sicario and a bit of Polytechnique but more tenuous with that one) but it's never heavy handed or the main focus, and is always timeless and universal.
His films focus more on story and character and more humanitarian themes such as morality, human essence and cruelty.
Frank Herbert was ALL ABOUT Environment and POLITICS in the Book based on our era of now last 50yrs concept GET A CLUE or you really are not a fan. It probably won't be direct in your face but power corrupting and destroying a planet by economic and cultural practice lends to ANYTIME and politics effecting.
7:30 Well tbf a lot of source material in comics is just ass. Some (not all of course) of changes to comic book stories in film are definitely for the better (glaring example being Thanos and his dialogue), although yes xmen movies are pretty meh.
Dune, however, changing that source material would be a crime against literature
lmao yup i agree with Kowabunga, IdeasOfSandAndSpice for sure, your like the only channel that survived the fall of GOT( mainly i think cuz you focused more on the books then the show) and the dune videos are top notch =)
Holy s### thank god my xbox youtube app accidently signed me out or would never of found this channel.. Biggest fan of frank herbert..(lived a mile from him up near squim wa ... When was growing up.. Dang where to start so many videos 😍....
Kyle MacLachlan was so brilliant in the 1984 version.
He can say that, but based on what I know about the current casting... I have serious doubts about this statement. But we can hope..
Who do you believe has been miscast?
@@1183newman For me, Jason Momoa. The rest is just perfect
I have the most trouble with Momoa and Bardem.
@@PeregrinoZensunni Personally i think he is fine as Duncan, mainly becuase the part in which Duncan plays in the first novel is so small and obviously the studio will want a few more action orientated scenes that Mamoa will be perfectly suited to. If we had a guarantee on this being a franchise then i would complain but we don't even know if we will get both parts of the first novel yet. I know his part is huge in the overall series of novels. I just don't see them going past Messiah for obvious reasons.
@@antimonycup7066 Bardem is a fantastic actor and personally one of my favourite casting choices for the movie.
I have to say that one of the things I do really love about the 1984 version, was the dark, gothic feel and costumes in the movie.
I must Thank You for this channel, always a great source for channeling my excitement about the upcoming Denis Villeneuve take on this extraordinary novel.
I feel like there is a criminal lack of content on youtube that references the SCIFI miniseries when it comes to Dune on the big screen. It is by far the most faithful screen adaptation of a book I have ever seen. Granted it had 5.5 hours to do so, but there is just so much detail and the whole thing feels epic. Why have more people either not seen it or failed to talk about it in their videos.
Lynch's Dune is a mess.
I still love it
It should have been an HBO series. No mere movie will get the job done. A shame.
Agreed. Need more HBO adaptations for classics like these.
And now that they're done with Game Of Thrones, they need a new epic series.
Right? Maybe they got outbid on the license cause it would have been a perfect fit. Coulda kept it going for years with all the sequels.
What's the font you use for your thumbnails?
Quinn I'm sooooo stoked for this film and I think you really nailed it with David Lynch's Dune, I thought the first part was largely faithful to the novel and well done, but then it's way too fast and patchy when Jessica and Paul enter the deserts. I also hear you about D&D squandering their chance to really say something to people or at least to really move them with storytelling. I really loved Arrival the writing, characters, cinematography, and theme came through so well. I'm so happy to hear that the director of that skill has Dune now.
Hayley ^_^
What, 9 hours long, then? ;)
Blade Runner 2049 is one of the most beautiful movies I ever seen
I loved the sci-fi channel miniseries Dune and Children of Dune they followed the books well and brought some of the best costumes and acting, even if its dated now, as one friend pointed out to me "that's painfully a back drop, but these people are acting their hearts out." I hope that this new Dune movie has the same spirit and passion, and its the only movie I'm interested in seeing at this point.
The wearding(sp) modules were so cool in the Lynch film.
" I will teach them a lesson they will remember in their bones." - Villaneuve
The Golden path is more than suffering, after all.
Big fan of Dune - the book and '84 film. However, I've never understood the obsession with films adhering to the books they're based on. What is the point of making a film that is the literal copy of a book (and I'm not just referring to Dune). Dune, the '84 film was one of many great films that deviated from the books they were based on (others like Blade Runner, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Next, Forest Gump, The Shining, Fight Club, The Hobbit Trilogy just to name a few). Why replicate something in multiple formats when you have the opportunity to create a new vision from the same concept of story? We should be celebrating film makers who take the books we love and find new directions and variations of the ideas in the books.
And even when movies do adhere to the books, there are still some who'll have issues with it, because as much as a book can describe a character, place or idea, much of what we read is left to our imagination, which means no movie will ever match each of our experience of the books, instead, it will be the film maker's experience of the book - so what's the point?
I've asked many people who have complained about movies deviating from the book why they feel the movie must adhere to it and I've yet to get an rational or meaningful answer (mostly, the people I've discussed this with simply get upset or defensive?).
Yoooooo Mr IdeasOfIceAndFire.... Have you heard anything about who might be playing Thufir Hawat? I've been thinking that they might have cut him out as they've started filming now and we haven't had any casting info on him. Also I've got a feeling that the Stephen mckinley henderson might be the emperor. He's either that or he is actually playing Thufir.
Would you please make a review of the 'Dune: The Alternative Edition Redux'? It's a fanedit of the Lynch's film, adding 1 hour of cut material.
Influance the collective uncoscious huh?
Have you been reading Carl Jung recently?
Or maybe he has been reading Dune.
i think they did alter the collective unconcious with got, everyone is more cynical and hopeless than ever
not even David lynch knows why he accepted direct the 1984 dune adaptation, he hates the movie
@Hussein Abdulmalik
I agree. The bad reputation that movie has is undeserved. Problem is the ending is meh and that is always damaging to a film.
Also Lynch gave us the extraordinary mentat mantra and for that I will always be grateful.
@Hussein Abdulmalik I agree, it's a work of art compared to movies made today. Everything that comes out today always feels "safe", same style of directing, same cameras, same editing process, and even the same actors, the 84' Dune movie feels unique by comparison. It actually reminds me of movies like Star Wars, Labyrinth, or Alien where you can tell the staff working on it really loved the project and didn't do it just for the sake of a paycheck- by that I specifically mean those working on special effects, costumes, and set designs.
I just rewatched Arrival, and your right. He knows how to fully encompass scale. The visual tones in Blade Runner had me feeling like I was almost in the Dune Universe. My excitement is off the charts because i know he's our Director!
Right now the new Dune movie is on my number 1 list movies in 2020.Its like waiting for another LOTR or Star Wars back in the day.
You're m'queen.
Was having a nice scroll through the comments until I saw yours. Triggered some very bad flashbacks.
@@davereyez4721 Lol
I don’t care what anyone says …
Ice & Fire copied much from DUNE.
I always loved reading the Dune Series.
I thought I was the only one who thought that. I was calling Bran Stark Bran Atreides, and God Emperor of Westeros all through this last season of GOT, but IMO the franchise that really made hay from the Dune Universe was Star Wars. Star Wars adapted a lot from a lot of things, but it took a WHOLE lot from Dune.
JAMES
I think it's kind of a bad copy and not honest with the public. I saw a lot of "influences" during the entire series. I can't remember all of it now, because was a small details and the people around me doesn't read the book, so i had to ignore it, haha. But Brienne is definetly Nayla from God Emperor of Dune. Bran/Third-eyed Raven is the God Emperor, etc.
@@selim6033 Greybeard Greycloak, IMO, the main thing Dune and Ice and Fire have in common isn't a particular plot point, but thematic, namely Frank Herbert's warning about charismatic leaders. I'm paraphrasing, but you can hear him say it himself here on CZcams. Charismatic leader/hero types should have a Surgeon's General warning like packs of cigarettes, "May be hazardous to your health." My favorite example of this will be familiar to Dune fans [SPOILERS FOLLOW]. The direct result of the "heroic" Atreides victory over the truly villainous Harkonens is the greatest killing spree in human history in the form of the Jihad. Even if Paul Atreides/Paul Mu'ad Dib had died it would have gone on in his name. Dany wipes out one city, driving nerd world half crazy. While Mu'ad Dib is the most powerful man ever to have lived, he cannot stop the Jihad. It has to run its course. He also cannot protect his wife or first-born child. Finally, he becomes a prisoner of his own vision. Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi reminded me very much of Paul Atreides in Dune Messiah and Children of Dune.
JAMES
@@Eoraptor1 Exactly! But in Ice and Fire Dany IS the reason and the agent at the same time. This turnes she (as a leader) in a complete crazy person. While Muad'Dib was a visionary working through the knowledge and the maturity of his actions. Working through the waves of history, knowing his powerlessness in some cases and his true power over other things. I don't think is the same thing at all. U can see the similarity of the one who makes whatever it takes to acomplishe what is the best for all (in his/her mind). But Muad'Dib has a LOT of mone knwoledge and wisdom, and a literally a superpower. It changes everything in the analysis.
Eoraptor1
Exactly !!
I thought 100% Bran Atreides
Then you have all these classes of “Orders” that are straight out of Dune … The Bene Geserrett, The Mentats/Maesters, The Face Dancers/Faceless Men
It’s a direct copy
To be honest, I've been wondering about this particular topic ever since I heard of the new movie. I didn't know any of Denis Villeneuve's films, but Arrival had left me a little bit more confident after I watched it to get to know his style. He really deals well with complex ideas and knows how to bring them to a broad audience. I also heard about D.V. saying something about him liking the book, but never firsthand and I frankly believed it to be just empty words to catch the Dune fans' interest and support for the movie. Even now, I can't stop fearing the worst. Yet, this video has given me a lot of hope that there will FINALLY be a really good interpretation of the novel. Thanks, IOIAF!!
So looking forward to this. Maybe I will finally get an avenue that can reach my friends, that just don't read books, with the awesome story of dune.
I think that he is a competent director, however, Blade Runner 2049 was kind of meh.
2049 was amazing.
@@MrImastinker I think that you're confusing well made with good. That is while the movie had great production values they majorly gaffed the story principally by ignoring the film noir influence of the original.
This is great news, as I was going to read the Dune series, at least the Frank Herbert books, after I finished rereading ASoIAF.
I just can't wait to see the ornithopters. Was trying to visualise them in my head as I was reading the novel. Really digged the novel, by the way.
I always pictured them looking halfway between the helicopters from "Avatar" and giant mechanical dragonflies a-la star wars prequels kashyykian fliers
If you want Frank Herbert's Dune read his books. Films can't slavishly follow novels, they have to be cinematic and work for that audience. Dune is my favourite novel and Lynch's Dune is in my top 10 all time movies (I am well aware of its flaws, believe me). They are different mediums and should be treated accordingly. If anyone can do it justice Villeneuve can but compromise will and should be made.
Btw have you seen the tv miniseries with William Hurt? And if so what did you think?
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He did and he didn’t like it.
Back in the early 80’s, the Friday before a Maths test, I was in the bookstore walking around ... Hmm, I wonder want this book Dune is about. Bought the trilogy and started casually reading it that night ... Monday morning comes around and I walk into the Math test without studying and no sleep, but very happy. I just could not stop reading the books. I really hope this next movie matches the books.
More important than his commitment to faithfulness to the book is his ability to subtly adapt a book for film without undermining it, as seen with Arrival. Most of Dune is long stretches of intricate mental chess happening in the span of a few seconds, and turning that into a film can't just be a literal page-for-page conversion. He has both a love of the original book and the wisdom to change details without changing the story or themes, and I can't believe this is actually happening and I'm excited about it.
As someone who rereads (Now with Audible, re-listens), to ‘Dune’ once, twice a year. I’ve loved both the 1984 and the Sci Fi remake in the early 2000’s. I’m giddy as one can be to see the newest interpretation of the ‘Dune’ saga. It would be great to see a director take on the ‘Foundation’ series, or the ‘Ringworld’ series.