Why I No Longer Shoot XS Big Dots | Flash Sight Picture
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- čas přidán 31. 03. 2020
- This video is not to bash XS as a company. Im merely pointing out that express style sights on handguns provide no significant advantage as close distances if the pistol shooter understands the flash sight picture concept. At distances greater than 15 yards is when the express style sights begin to show their flaws! Thank you to Tom Givens for his insight and training.
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I can't help but feel like you validated the big dots unintentionally
send me a video/ photo of your b8 hat qual or the hackathorn drill using dots and a shot timer. Lets see how they work when you test accuracy with a distance and time standard
I have a better test: a realistic one, not a timed range drill where you get to square off with your target.
Start with your back to a target. I use a 1” piece of tape stuck to the wall and a laser cartridge in the chamber. Draw, turn, and shoot as one motion, with one hand. See how well you see your front site in the notch. Try it without moving your feet. Try it rotating in both directions. Try it while dropping to one knee. Try it in any way that attempts to simulate a natural response in the real world. A bigger front sight works better in these cases, for me, because i don’t even look at the gun. It never even gets to eye level. I see it in the lower part of my visual field. The flash ‘sight picture’ with a huge dot on the front helps keep the gun aligned while focusing on the target.
@@Subtlenimbus Yeah this dude is a clown. Im waiting for him to tell me not to carry in the chamber cause he can rack the slide in under a second.
That is what I was thinking….
Lol, yeah he just sold a lot more of those sights
Of course seeing the front sight is the most important thing. The Big Dot design prevents the front sight from being hidden by the back sight. In less than ideal situations where your practiced range stance and technique aren’t possible, it is easy for the front sight to be hidden when trying to point a gun. This video actually highlights the reason Big Dots are better than what he is using.
This guy litterally just sold me on big dot sights. Dude if you only need to see your front sight then using ur own theory wouldn't it be better to have a larger front sight? 🤷♂️ lol
Exactly I thought the same way after watching the video!!
at certain distances and in you only need your front sight. You probably didnt watch the entire video when I said big dots fail at distance when time and accuracy are required
@@CraigSummers How many self defense situations happen beyond 15-25 yards?
@@akamanonthemoon Tom Givens Documented several of his students at distances beyond 15 yards. Your fight might not be the typical fight. your fight is your fight
@Basil Ganglia I don't necessarily disagree with your points, but I do think you've over-simplified. You don't get to choose the distance of the confrontation, and retreat isn't always an option. Let's say you're at the park and your 5 year old daughter is about to be attacked by a rabid dog. You gonna run to your truck to get a rifle, or take the shot with your pistol? Obviously that's a highly specific scenario, but not every self defense situation is a mugger in a dark alley. Having the ability to shoot at 25+ yards with your side arm is a valuable skill to have, regardless of how likely it is you'll need to do it. That said, a lot of people love big dots and can shoot accurately with them at long distances. Only you can decide which gun and which sights are right for you.
Fast foward to 2:49 thank me later
Lol seriously, what was with the history lesson before that.
ratballs007 thank u!!!!
Thank you👍
Thank you. I love it, when people do this for me. I don't waste time in my short life listening to Back-Peddling, "first off, let me say"- f#ck those weak words.
Good man. Thank you sir
The vast majority of defensive shootings are within seven yards, and that is where the big dots will perform very well.
Kurt P the point is you can do the exact same thing with normal sights
Perhaps, but with aging eyes the Big Dots are much easier to pick up peripherally. I have Idot pros on my 19 and big dots on my 43X. I like them both, but l especially like the big dots for the above reason.
Exactly, all you need to see is the front sight, and nothing is better than an orange or green golf ball sitting on top of your gun.
@@jubjub905 I actually purchased these for a friend because she's cross eye dominant, and they've helped drastically in being able to acquire sight picture more quickly, and even maintain sight picture. Each circumstance is different. I suspect that if the day should come where she would have to defend herself, it would be within 7-10 yards and with the XS Big Dot sights, she'll be comfortable in where her shots are being placed.
the vast majority of gun owners will never use their gun in a gunfight. but you're already preparing for the tiny percentage chance that you may. what about that tiny percentage where you may need a precise, refined sight picture? XS Big Dots do not give that.
I’m not sure exactly his point. Do the same test with the big dot and that group tightens up. I have had one set of big dot given to me as a gift. Threw it in a G27 and I was so surprised! Nothing like having negative expectations and then being totally shocked at how wrong I was. They are great sights
bv12ringer I’m with you, I don’t know if you are familiar with the Springfield Hellcat sights but the rear U provides a much faster target acquisition for me than standard 3 dot night sights. I’m curious, will the XS do a similar thing? Make for quicker target acquisition?
either because you didnt watch the video or came in with a preexisting belief and regardless of the information provided you didnt want to admit that you could possibly be wrong.
@@CraigSummers so your point is that even though most gunfights happen within 7 yards, xs bigdots are inferior at greater distance?
@@devin4109 correct! And for the 7 yards and in crowd I would ask why you are training to such a low standard. Why strive for the minimum?
@@CraigSummers I strive for headshots at 30 yards with my bigdots. I see what your saying, but it all comes down to training
There is a distance where you are simply not going to have a good time in a court room. One of the key elements to lawful self-defense is IMMENINCE. We don't get qualified immunity like police officers, the further you are shooting, the less and less likely it's going to be viewed as lawful self-defense.
depends on the situation. What if someone has your child?
@@CraigSummers if they have your child AND you're shooting with a pistol or revolver at any significant distance than you're probably in the 50/50 odds range of which one you hit... the bad guy or your child.
For an actual gun fight and not target shooting, anything that you as the shooter can acquire fast, use it. It's a personal thing. I love the big dots for this purpose.
is shooting not shooting? Wont being a better shooter make me a better gunfighter?
@@CraigSummers in essence, yes. When you devolve to your basic instincts when combating adrenaline, through repetition, you've elevated your "basic instincts" to those far above the average person. I'd venture to assume you're probably a much better shooter than myself since I just shoot shit on my property on a regular basis, but with very minimal constraints to facilitate training. That said, Murphy's law plays a big part. Most of my formal training is from the military plus some combat experience (which is just a fancy way of saying I learned the saftey rules, and was taught how to pull a trigger lol).
On the topic of the sight though, I agree to an extent. I feel comfortable running the 3-dot sight just fine, but I purchased the XS Big Dot sight for my friend to help with her cross eye dominance. She struggles acquiring any sight picture or target acquisition no matter how much she trains, but these sights have definitely helped her, especially in a 7-10 yard situation. In her situation, I'd rather her be effective in close than not effective at all, if that makes sense?
Train like you fight. I don't do "target" shooting with a pistol.
@@rickflair6424 ok. you do you
So if I’m 51 years old with diminishing eyesight and can see and pick up my XS Big Dot front sight far easier and quicker than a standard dot/post then I’ve accomplished exactly what you state is important.
Nailed it!! I completely understand what he is saying about flash front sight alignment. However, like you the older I get the harder it is for me to quickly acquire the front site. Especially in low light environments. I have the XS on my Mossberg 500 and 1911.Going to install them on my carry G43 but I might try their new Ram sights to help with accuracy.
Pike Monger - I have the XS Big Dot on my Glock 43 and have for about three years now. I am extremely happy with them but if XS would’ve had a 3 dot sighting system available three years ago then I would’ve gone with that set up instead of the lollipop set up just because that is the sighting method that I have used for the last 35 years. That being said I have become very quick with first shots on target with the XS Big Dot on my Glock 43 and although I might not win any marksmanship awards shooting 50 yards with them, anything inside of 10 yards (the intended use of my CCW Glock 43) will be full of holes in a few seconds.
You are speaking on specific set of people. Most
People still have good eyes so his opinion is completely valid. So is yours but he is speaking to the majority not the minority. Also he is making the point is at these close range distances where big dot excels you don’t even need them due to point shooting. Once you get farther out you need a better cleaner sight picture god forbid you don’t yourself in that situation.
@@starxlord9856 - Yes I am speaking to a specific set of people and statistically most (about 65%) adults wear or should wear eyeglasses to correct vision problems.
@STARxLORD glasses or corrective lenses varies, depending on a person's age, gender, and other factors. According to the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), around 75 percent of adults in the U. S. between the ages of 18 and 54 need lenses to correct their vision. Copied and pasted from their website.
Ask anyone who has been in a gun fight with a pistol and ask if they remember looking at the sights. The big dot helps because it stands out.
Exactly....my first big dot experience was amazing.
I know no reputable instructor who recommends express sights
@@CraigSummers I don’t know if you considered James Yeager a reputable instructor, but he advocated big dots when he was alive.
@@FirstLast-gv1zl Thank you so much for your service sir.
I have been to quite a few pistol courses and at every entry level class there has been a guy with big dots that just can't figure them out. The instructor has to pull them aside and help them as best they can. By the intermediate and advanced courses they are gone. Just my experience.
Definitely do whatever works best for you. With my astigmatism and being right handed yet left eye dominant I could never use 3 dotted sights in a self defense situation. I see so many dots that getting the front sight between the rear two takes me 2-3 seconds even after practicing it over and over again.
I find 3 dots at night are less useful than big dots or a red dot sight. If I need 50 yds then I hope I brought a rifle.
I have the same issue with my eyes, I’m left eye dominant, but unfortunately that’s my bad eye so I forced training on my right eye and now carry right handed.
So I think I would benefit from this dot
@@katohypekato7663 I just shoot with my non dominant eye. Im left handed but right eye dominant. From bows to handguns ive always just used my left eye. Over time your body adapts
EoWKen, this is where I’m at. Over time I’ve gotten worse with 3 dot sights with my eyes aging.
You should be shooting with both eyes open anyways if you're considering it for defensive purposes.
Use case. Bought my big dots because bears make me nervous. I don't intend to engage a bear at all with a pistol if I can avoid it. I'm certainly not planning to piss one off at 50 yards....
Ok. You do you
Everyone who says big dots arent needed always does demonstrations against non moving paper targets that dont shoot back.
I'm not sure what context of training with a pistol would have a shooter firing their gun at a target that's firing back at them. Seems like a pretty hazardous training environment.
Dude, do you not know what simunitions are?
Don't forget it's always broad daylight.
Extremely valid points. These sights were designed with stress, Moving targets, and low light shooting in mind. Not engaging with the design intent of the sights undermines the point of the video. Not to mention his repeated notion that there is some kind of time limit to get the shots off. Obviously the quicker the better, but the competition mindset really is bogging him down.
I respect your view. But I'm not trying to aim past a hallway or whatnot out in public for self defense. If said individuals are past that distance im gonna focus on shelter and react when necessary. That being said, if a danger exist past that distance ill make sure my training is on point.
Anyone that has an inkling of knowledge about shooting, should know, in a fight, front sight! I love the big dot sights, have been using them for years, never failed, must remember that in longer distance use the 6 o’clock technique!!!
Just switched to xs sights. My eyes are getting older and I can't shoot well with bifocals. I can see my front sight better.
Thats a valid reason. Also try shooting with a RDS
@@CraigSummers I would, but I don't really care for them. Not that I can't shoot them, but I share the same opinion that Ken Hackathorn does.
For old eyes these sights kick ass.
Not going to disagree with you here but wanted to throw this out there.....try using a red dot
@@CraigSummers XS Big Dots are the physical red dot with no batteries!
@@akamanonthemoon ummm, no they are not.
@@akamanonthemoon If you want a large, bright front sight with a wide rear notch, but still able to have a refined sight picture for tight shots, the Ken Hackathorn or Trijicon HD sights will perform both roles, whereas the XS Big Dot only performs one.
@@akamanonthemoon no there not guy😂
Flash sight picture is where XS big dots offer the biggest improvement over traditional sights.
So are you saying I cant get a flash sight picture with standard sights?
@@CraigSummersyes, when your eyesight fades.
You just sold me on the big dot sights!
Now to go practice with my airplane flashcards.😂
Ok
James Yeager has disproven the notion that these sights aren't accurate at distance in several videos. They work fine. It comes down to personal preference.
Its not about accuracy. Its about being able to deliver a precise shot using a refined sight picture under a time constraint. this is where these sights fail. I carried big dots for 5 years.
I did do the research. Which is exactly why I put XS Big Dot sights on my G30.
high stress, age, and low light negatively effects vision and a bigger dot counters that effect.
poor eye sight is one of the few advantages big dots have. Try a red dot instead
@@CraigSummers Big dots do not fog, they are cheaper, more durable and do not require batteries. Finally, most people with bad vision suffer from an astigmatism which makes red dots blurry. Holographic sights are better than red dot because it uses Laser instead of LED.
I have astigmatism and have learned to deal with the blooming dot. I wish eotech made their battery life last as long as aimpoint. Iron sights arent necessarily more durable than dots. Both fail from time to time
The entire concept of express sights was behavioural compliance under extreme duress.
But it seems to me that the more visible the front sight is, the quicker you would pick it up.
Its not the size of the front sight, its the fact that there is no rear notch that allows for a refined sight picture
@@CraigSummers Thanks for replying. I was referring to quick reflexive shots at close range (aiming at center mass) where a refined sight picture is not possible. I figured that the faster you could acquire the front sight on target (especially in low light conditions where defensive use is more likely) the faster you can pull the trigger.
Xs big dots are the best carry combat sights out there and thats it!
Smooth not sharp and going to get caught or cut you.
Fast first shot to get on target “torso”
They are not competition targets sights!
You really worried about your sights injuring you?
You took what Tom Givens said and took it to the far extreme. Big Dots and high vis front sights are far superior to three dot and black sights.
Everything you said in this video still applies to big dots. Hell, even James Yeager and Jerry Miculek say that a proper trigger press and a sloppy sight picture is always better than the other way around.
Thank you! I’m going to give it a shot. I think I put too much sights on the gun and then it’s unnecessarily confusing in the heat of battle. This helps greatly!
Really easy to use big dots, especially on rapid deployment and/or double taps. Love them
So are regular sights and red dots
@@CraigSummers Yep, red dots are fast as well.
How fast is a 3 dot sight vs. a 2 dot up close? You said that a 3 dot works up close as long as you can still see the front dot in the rear notch. But if you have to have to fiddle around with your front to get it into the notch, then that's time wasted. And I have struggled with a lot of pistols because the rear notch was too narrow for fast acquisition. You can still do it, but it's slower than the 2 dot up close.
I really want larger rear notches than the industry norm in order to make it as easy as possible to track that front sight down and set it up. The XS broad V is just about the largest platform you can have while still having something in the rear to align the front dot with.
As you say, the 2 dot is harder and slower at long range than the 3 dot. No one would argue with you there.
So what is the priority with defensive shooting? Fast easy close shooting, or fast easy far shooting? I've always been taught that the priority is fast easy close shooting. Gun fighting is not bullseye competition shooting, so distance shooting is downplayed. And legally speaking, you start running into big questions whether you really were facing an imminent threat to your life if your opponent is still far away.
So I would think most defensive shooters would be happy with the 2 dot's functional bias, and not with the 3 dot's.
get the shot timer out an pressure test it
Id be curious to see what that group would like with no sights at all.
I ordered a set of xs big dots after watching this video.. thanks dude
Ok. You do you man
Your argument is that they handicap you at distances you shouldn't be having a gunfight with a handgun at?
@Rusty Shackleford Then you need a 5"/54 caliber Mark 45 gun so you don't get any on you :P
I don't even like big dot sights but your video makes no sense. Your demo does not in any way argue that big dot sights aren't still faster and easier to aquire. "Here's how to use a regular front sight - therefore big dot sights are bad"??. How does that make sense.
Thats because you heard what you wanted to hear and not what was said. Keep shooting your big dots. I dont really care
Try the XS Standard Dot. The Standard Dot seems to be about 1/2 the size of the Big Dot. Works fabulous w/in 10 yds, works great as ya move back. Instantaneous front sight acquisition with effortless left/right alignment. The Standard XS dot doesn't obscure any more of the target at extended range than the front sight on your glock. Very similar to the difference between shooting a 6 MOA RDS and a 2 MOA RDS.
I shoot red dots now exclusively.
Some people’s eyesight is such that without a pair of cheater (reading) glasses they cannot get the necessary focus on a traditional front sight. For me, the larger front side of the big dot is easier to acquire…, so big dot sites…, mission accomplished. For quick site acquisition in a self-defense distance scenario the big dot helps greatly. So, the only point relevant point I can see from your video is that you believe it is harder for you to shoot out at distances of 50 yards and beyond. I would not regard a person at 50 yards or more a self-defense threat in the typical sense. A friend of mine let me shoot his pistol which was equipped with the big dot sites and the difference for me was like night and day. I went from having to point-shoot at 5 to 15 yards, to actually being able to pick up the big dot site for much more consistent shots. So you might ask if I was able to make acceptable hits from point-shooting…, the answer would be yes, but the big dot help facilitate more accurate shots and for me that is desirable. Fortunately, there are many tools for ccw and I believe the big dot is a great tool for people who needed it.
Interesting point. What is your preferred sight ?
Red dot. Trijicon rmr
The acquiring of the front sight & focus is key that's why I will always keep the Big Dot because it works well for me. The average gun fight is 7 or less yards not 50 & 100 Yards .
Can you tell me the distance your gun fight will be at? You gonna bank on it being "average"?
@Basil Ganglia It depends. The average length of an isle in a grocery store is 25 yards. What if someone is abducting your child? Can you make that shot? What about the distance over several car lengths in a parking lot? I would hate to know that my kid or family member could have been saved if I had the training and skills to do so...but sadly enough people want to live in their 5 yard fantasy. The answer is, we just dont know what will be required of us when our day comes...so why not train for that day?
stop and shoot at a great distance while there child is being abducted and risk hitting them all while the abductor is trying to wrangle them and pick them up and run most likely with their back turned to you. Know what’s beyond your target. I prefer notch and post myself but some examples you are giving to prove your point, though realistic scenarios, would not be tactically wise. Yard you assuming these distant shots don’t have people in between you and a threat or people behind the threat or a chance of someone running between you and a threat? Like you say you can’t choose your situation however it seems you are choosing these perfect at distance scenarios. I know you are over simplifying to drive your point but really no different from others driving their points with over simplification. I think you should do a realistic simunition test where there are hostage or abduction or attacks happening at distance and you use your preferred sight picture to put down the threat & ensure that you don’t hit your child or person you are trying to protect in a crowded or public place such as a playground mall ect. Then after you demonstrate it have average trained civilians attempt it and offer critiques bc after all that is who the majority of people on CZcams are. I’m just offering perspective and I for one would love to see a test like this.
@@CraigSummersYes, that's what average means. That's statistically the most likely distance you'll need to shoot at. Therefore you optimize for the average distance, not for random target distances. What a goofy reply.
@@lukeduke6693You strive for average? You do you
Baron Maupertuis - While I think your not wrong it seems your missing the whole point of the big dot sights. It’s like making a video about why you no longer use the Burris fast fire 3 on your personal carry pistol. I don’t think I have to explain why that is silly. The whole point in the big dot sight is a faster easier to see front sight at personal defense distances and by virtue of its design it does that perfectly. Everyone should learn to shoot at longer distances for sure but personal defense distances are not likely going to go beyond what this sight was intended to be used for. If your shooting competition by all means don’t use these sights.
interesting theory, but not a definitive one size all theory. for some people big dots help acquire the "flash picture" faster, for others it they not require "bigger sights". i do think your example of short distance shooting makes the point of having big dots, not the inverse. thanks for the contribution.
What about the longer or more precise shots that need to be taken? That’s where big dots fail
If all you need to see is your front sight then wouldn't big dots, with their larger front sight, and less obstructive rear sight, always be better?
also, for me, xs big dots are faster at all distances.
Not necessarily. Can you make accurate shots at a set distance under a given time constraint and achieve your desired level of accuracy? Try the d4 hat qual and let me know how you do. Big dots excel at one thing, and herein lies the problem. Gotta be prepared for various scenarios, distances etc…
What sights do you use now?
red dot
Great video especially your demonstration
After reading Craig's comments, I'm convinced he is arguing to be right rather than arguing his point (which validates the express style sight by the way).
then your comprehension skills need work
@@CraigSummers You misunderstand me. I'm offering you a rebuke. You need to check your ego. It's getting in the way of your instruction.
I have a different option. I have been using Big Dot sights for about 10 years
Thank you, I thought I was going bananas. Your correct up close 👍 but has you back up further away from target different story. I was at 50FT big Silhouette targets and was barely hitting paper/cardboard.I had to aim for a head shot to get a hit in the preferred area.
Assuming you're referencing XS big dots here... XS tells you to "aim low" so to speak as you back away from the target. At distance (25 yards+) you place the top of the dot at the point of impact. It works - try it...
Pretty cool demonstration.
You know I like having a big old front sight My vision's not quite what it used to be so being able to have that giant dot in the front is going to call me down if God forbid I'm ever in a situation. This video just actually sold me on the side system
Poor vision is one of the few reasons that big dots might make sense. I would encourage you to look at red dot sights if that is the case
I will preface this by saying that by no means do I intend to offend you. You are far more skilled/knowledgeable than I am in this subject. But I did notice you used a “duty pistol” for this demonstration. Given the greater sight radius of the 17, would this still work for a more typical “carry” gun? Like a 43, or 365? If so, I’d like to see it, same distance.
Good Question! Sight radius does made a small difference but not so much at the distances talked about in the video..5 yds and in.
With practice and muscle memory, you shouldn't need sights really at all. It's at longer ranges where they come into play. The big dot would probably block the target. I'm buying XS standard dot because my pistol is bigger, and expect more range out of it.
Very good video just had these sights put on my Canik @ 66 with not the best eye sight there what I need. Oorah
Wow. Good video man.
Well 50-100 yards with a pistol is a stretch not that it can’t be done but that’s what a carbine is for
Isn’t this a Big Dot tritium NIGHT sight?? I didn’t understand why the benefits of seeing the big dot at night wasn’t mentioned. I also agree with others about use of the big dot in daytime.
Just bought mine , thanks for the video man 🤣
you do you. just know its limitations
We're not trying to hit the hair on squirrels nutsack at 50 yards. It's a damn pistol. Literally any type of front dot sight will work in a self defense/close combat situation.
That's the idea of XS BIG Dot sights. Bigger dot = quicker front sight acquisition
bigger dot does not equal quicker front sight acquisition. A quick and efficient draw gives you a quicker sight acquisition. Dont try to fix a software issue with a hardware problem. If you are so confident in your big dots why dont you send me a picture of your score and time shooting the hackathorn standards?
@@CraigSummers I've tried other sights. The XS Big dots definitely help me put the front sight on target a bit quicker. sorry, I don't use a pistol for competition shooting. That's what my long range rifles are for
@@rskrilly I would encourage you to go train with someone who will help you push your skills. Not sure where you live but find someone who will hold you accountable to a set of standards. This will open your eyes. Shooting is shooting btw...doesnt matter where. Being a competitive shooter will help you become a better shooter
True, great video, and yes Big Dots are not meant for playing games, they are meant for fighting and self defense.
I have tried almost every sight on my pistols in my 69 years of age. To me the best is a bright orange fingernail polish covering the entire front sight. Much cheaper than specialty sights.
Tom Givens actually taught me that trick! I can dig it!!!
Point made and taken. No matter what sights you have it comes down to training. Practice short distances up to 10 yards. Then practice 10 to 15 yards, etc. XS sights are great sights. I have Big Dots on my Glock 30s and beyond 15 yards you need to change things up a little. It can definitely be done very accurately but again, that comes with practice.
Solid Comment!
Or reading the directions on the package.
So XS Big Dots are awesome. Got it.
You looking for personal validation like everyone else?
@@CraigSummers nope. I could care less what people think about me.
Just smart enough to realize that his entire argument against the product is exactly what most people appreciate about them.
Sorry (not really) that you couldn't figure that out yourself. If I comment on the same video as you again, I'll try to be more simplistic with my wording (that's a lie).
@@deangullberry5148 and yet here you are commenting on my channel! where is your content? You keep doing you
@@CraigSummers hahahaha
Look who's pursuing personal validation now.
Yeah, you do you too. 'cuz apparently, nobody else is.
Nice way to promote yourself, though. Making personal attacks on people who don't comment the way you want really helps.
Now I'm buying them. Lol
He makes some points but overall it doesnt matter what sights you really pick as long as youre fast, accurate, and effective with them.
That is correct. Know how to use what you have and know its limitations
@@CraigSummers your limitations are not everyone limitations and vice versa
stop and shoot at a great distance while a child is being abducted and risk hitting them all while the abductor is trying to wrangle them and pick them up and run most likely with their back turned to you? Know what’s beyond your target or could possibly run in front of it or near it? I prefer notch and post myself but some examples you are giving to prove your point, though realistic scenarios, would not be tactically wise. you are not including in your comments that these distant shots don’t have people in between you and a threat or people behind the threat or a chance of someone running between you and a threat? Like you say you can’t choose your situation. I know you are over simplifying to drive your point but really no different from others driving their points with over simplification. I think you should do a realistic simunition test where there are hostage or abduction or attacks happening at distance and you use your preferred sight picture to put down the threat & ensure that you don’t hit your child or person you are trying to protect in a crowded or public place such as a playground mall ect. Then after you demonstrate it have average trained civilians attempt it and offer critiques bc after all that is who the majority of people on CZcams are. I’m just offering perspective and I for one would love to see a test like this
Click bait? Your explanation seemed to explain why ‘big dot’ works best for ccw. If I need to shoot 50 yards I still can by knowing where to put the big dot. I doubt I’ll need that 50 yard data at 50 but I know I can.
Then you didnt really watch the video
@@CraigSummers I must not have understood or I have pre-conceived notions. I’m operating under ccw conditions and need fast sights, close-in.
This does makes sense and i also believe regular sights a better for long range. But on my CCW pistol i use big dots cuz i dont shoot long range with it. Most my pistols now have red dots anyway 😂
Craig, "Using the front sight is all that matters in a close distance fight."
XS, "Yeah, that's why we made the front sight bigger and brighter."
not all fights are at such close a distance! watch the entire video
@@CraigSummers They kinda are tho. I can still make a center mass shot at 25m with my Big Dots. If you really wanted to test the difference of the sights, transition between 3 targets putting two rounds in each. I think you'll find that XS Big Dots really start to come into their own when transitioning or when the target is moving. Just like using iron sights on an AR gives you better precision at range, a red dot gives you better target acquisition which is exactly what Big Dots do. I also think you're overlooking the complexity of notched sights when under duress. We tend to get tunnel vision and hyper focused on target, so much so that we may dump a whole mag before we even attempted to use the sights. That giant dot out front is hard to ignore. Run a drill with 3 targets like I stated above, have someone time you while a 3rd person is yelling at you and firing an AR (safely) close by. I think after that you might appreciate Big Dots a little more.
@@ant4160 go check out my latest video on the subject...czcams.com/video/-VZuQQzE_ZE/video.html
@@ant4160 I would also like to ask where you are getting your information from and what training/experience you have? And please dont say LE or Mil because we both know that doesnt mean anything when it comes to pistols
@@CraigSummers I'm not going to get into a pissing contest, but I've taken several pistol classes along with low light and some rifle stuff. I'm an avid plinker and own an assortment of handguns with different style sights. But my two carry guns have Big Dots and it's because of that drill I described above. Incorporate some moving, target transition along with and instructor provoking duress and you just might change your opinion on Big Dots. You keep making this reference to the improbable hostage taking scenario. It's just not realistic in any sense. That is pure Hollywood. What is realistic is 2 guys ambushing me in a parking lot trying to jack my truck. And I'm trying to create distance while simultaneously place rounds center mass, pull the gun out of recoil and put rounds in second person center mass, XS Big Dots is going to give me the fastest and sight picture for that. And I can still reachout to 25m. I'm not aware of any additional time needed to line up the shot that you refer to. I watched your other video. Competition and gun fighting are not the same. The shooter's heart rate is not the same. The pre-shooting mental state is not the same. The ammo/recoil is not the same. And the consequence of being a fraction slow on getting a round on target is not the same.
I love my trijicon xd xr sights on my glock and sigs, but my conceal carry weapons (glock43 sig 365) both have big dot sights.
Thats cool. You prefer carrying the 43 or 365?
I havent shot these so i dont really have a proper say, but for sure from what i can see, lining up a line with the dot will be much more accurate as far as horizontal accuracy. At that point all you need to learn is the exact elevation to hold that front sight on top of the line and you should in theory be able to be more accurate with less alignment necessary. For me anyway, lining up two air gaps equally on either side of the front sight is much harder than lining up a line with a dot. Ive actually considered drawing a line at the bottom of my bucket in the dead center for lining up longer distance shots faster. Horizontal accuracy at longer ranges is all i struggle with, not vertical.
I see your point except for one thing, at 50-100 yards I’m leaving not fighting.
What about at 25 yards? What if you have to thread the needle at 10 yards? Can you make that shot in the time required?
Errr...ok. XS gives you a bigger front sight. You plan on fighting at 20 yards?
He isn't interested in defensive shooting. These Sights were designed for high stress + moving targets. Notice how he didn't factor that into the review, and was only concerned about distance?
Shooting is shooting. How do you know what distance your fight is gonna be at? If you can tell me the distance, time and date, I’ll make sure to stay home. And if you watch the channel, there are videos of me shooting up close and fast. Where are your videos?
Not sure how much this validates a point.
You shoot big dots...dont you!?
@@CraigSummers I shoot all types of sights. Not sure what that has to do with anything. Let's stick to the topic at hand. Your video shows that traditional pistol sights are viable for you. Point is made. However, not really seeing the link between why this is better than big dot- that would take a comparison. Last little piece. Why can't you get a refined sight picture with big dot? Serious question- have you read the instructions? Not knocking your content, good on you for putting this together. Congrats.
Cant u just get the same sights with a smaller dot?
yes but it really doesnt make much of a difference. there is no way to get a precise sight picture
1) If you're shooting at someone with a pistol at 50-100 yards I hope you have a good lawyer.
2) if you're using notch and post you still have to look through the notch and find the front sight which takes time whereas on the xs it floats above the rear and is easy to find. You're trading a negligible loss of accuracy for speed
Thanks for watching
All it takes is move the Big dot down to see your target, faster acquisition than lining the front sights in or around the box. To each it’s own
Fight 4 Freedom Thank you for watching!
Find me an XS Big Dots user who owns a shot timer that would actually show them how slow or fast they are.
Baron Maupertuis It took me some training get used to. Not something I will use a timer for. I use my XS DXT2 sights only on my carry gun. I can pick up the sights really fast 10 yards. If I was doing a competition I would go with my Amiriglo or Trijicon sights with blackout rears, for better groupings.
...you arent aligning anything with a flash picture
jubjub f have you ever used them or are you part of the group that used them don’t know how to use them and now you abuse them? czcams.com/video/xIK0AiyGuv4/video.html
just started looking for a new rear sight that will fit the .188 xs big dot front sight. My kid was complaining at the range he couldnt get a tight group. I explained they arent target sights theyre combat sights. Figured if i can find a rear sight wide enough it could be the best of both worlds.
I dont think what you are looking for exists. The rear sight on big dots is a V. Good luck and keep training
@@CraigSummers Ameriglo and Novak both sell rear sights, the biggest width I have found so far is .150 the newer XS big dot sights do have variations that have the standard rear sight instead of the V. I just don't want to have to buy all new sights. The right rear sight is out there. Just gotta find it.
Iv never been in a situation where iv had to use my CC, god forbid, but i doubt anyone is "fighting" at 100 yards. The video just proves big dots are ideal for close call situations (10 yards in). So im not really sure what point your trying to make? Kind of a pointless video if you ask me.
Watch the video again. The point is that big dots offer no advantage at close distance if you know how to use regular iron sights. they fail miserably when you get to distances beyond 10 yards
The back of the package shows that the top of the dot is the point of aim at distances greater then 15yrds. So it doesn’t cover up your target
i was really hoping you had a more realistic reason behind why you dont shoot these sights. i'm an avid archer both target and hunting and have found when it comes to sight the biggest determining factor is your preference in sight picture. A large group of hunters wont use a single pin sight only a multi pin sight and some visa-versa. Folks need to find what site picture fits them best.
They offer no benefit. Thats why
@@CraigSummers useless opinion
Thats a fact that you choose to ignore
I'm buying one immediately thanks buddy
Let me see those speed bulls at 25 yards when you put them on
When shooting at 50 or 100 yards, the target is small. You are not going to line up 3-dot post-and-notch sights any faster than a Big Dot XS sight because you still need to adjust for bullet drop. No disadvantage to Big Dot sights.
Why dont you put it up against a shot timer and pressure test that theory.
Duder... XS Big Sights are for "Combat"... They are for Quick Sight Acquisition.
Interesting.
How many “combat” shootings have occurred with XS sights since they came to the market?
How many “combat” shootings using traditional sights have resulted in failure where XS sights would have not?
@@rifleshooterchannel208 I have to say in most shootings reported the weapons aren't describe more than rifle, pistol, shotgun, etc. I sometimes hear about model and rarely about caliber. I've never heard *anyone* mention the type of sights used lol
Rob Letham did an similar video and just points and didn't align or really use sights at all several yards away. He mentioned it's a waste of time and concentration. Still with older eyes or speed I still see the utility of big dots and properly used they're fast and plenty accurate. No downsides.
The only advantage I see for big dots is with poor eyesight. But then you could also shoot a red dot
Yes time is of the essence. When your close. Less so at 50/100 yards., more time needed to line up. The thing is you have to know your sights, where to line them up at distance.
Exactly. Regardless of what sights you use, just learn how to use them and know their limitations. thanks for watching!
This kinda proves what big dots are good for
and where they fail.
I dont use the big dot i use the smaller standard size and i shoot very well with it because I learned on buck horm style sights and the big dot has been my target sight if im not using red dot
You say all ya need is to see front sight… xs is exactly that. Minimal rear sight to allow quick easy unobscured view of that front sight. No one who’s not a cop is gonna be shooting g at someone from 50-100 yds in a legal shoot.
I can do all that with standard sights, and more.
Xs sight does the same just left or right of rear center line sight. The ex sight lines up quicker hands down.
But they do not allow for precision. You willing to give up precision when standard sights are just as fast?
@@CraigSummers Hitting center mass does not require "precision", it requires hitting center mass, and standard sights are not just as fast to most shooters--a big dot is easier to see....at close range you shouldn't be looking at your rear sight anyway....
He totally refuted what he was saying 😂
Im guessing you are a big dot shooter and didnt watch the whole video. Thanks cool. Thanks for watching
Not arguing....but if all you need is a front sight why not use a big dot up front?
As stated in the video, it hurts you when it comes tome to make that precision shot
Gotcha. Sorry I missed that. @@CraigSummers
They’re marketed as “combat sights”. Not for skeet shooting. One could make the argument optics are in the same ballpark.
Nope. Apples and oranges. Do we not want to be as precise and prudent with our rounds when life is involved? Shooting is shooting and good enough is ok until it isnt.
Meh....point taken BUT. Speaking solely from a self-defense position (not marksmanship) the purpose of Big Dot is fast acquisition on a 7-yardish attacking target. Anyone that goes into a situation expecting to shoot 75 yards with a pistol is simply bringing the wrong weapon. Your reasoning can be used with any red dot system as well. You should preface this video with MY OPINION and not as absolute fact
sounds like you missed the point of the video. If you are not using marksmanship in any shooting situation, then you are wrong.
I use xs standard dot suppressor sights with an rmr... never really cared for the big dot, but I dont really care for 3 dot sights either.
Ive got cop friends that do that too. You are drinking the red dot cool aide and I dig it
I like them xs big dots. Especially the bright colored ones. This is the analog red dot.
Its ok to like them but it is NOT an analog red dot. Far from it actually
🇺🇸 Divisive issue. Wait, what are “sights?” Were they pistol optic predecessors?
A Fellow red dot man! I see you
The pistol is not meant for refined distance shots, it’s for close quarters and after watching this vid , I’m goin to buy a big dot .
Think about this…can you make a precision shot at closer distances? Can you put a round through a guys eye if thats all you had at 10 yards? Need a refined sight picture for that. Big dots will not allow that
@@CraigSummers 10 yards is not a typical self-defense distance.
@@strongsyde what is a typical self defense distance? Tom Givens has had students get involved in DGU’s out to 22 yards.
Self defense is usually within 7-10 yards, gunfights are usually 15-30 yards.. even at 50 yards you can shoot front sight only on a torso sized target. At 50 if you consider bullet ballistics of the 9mm you can aim at the bottom of the target you will hog center, so when shooting at distance it even becomes easier to see the target over the sights..
dont listen to other people in capabilities m, train yourself to be the level you wanna operate at, its for everything you do in life not only shooting ..
Have you tried to shoot at 50 yards with big dots?
@@CraigSummers i carry xs big dot for 2 years now and i love it! I have a friend who I recommended to switch to big dot and actually gave him a pair and he hated it 😂 it really doesn’t matter what sight you shoot it matters what makes you hit the target..
i know some guys who are professionals and they shoot almost all on muscle memory, im definitely not on that level but i have seen it.
clearly your point which is lost on some commenters: the short-range sites handicap you for long range
Louder for those in the back!
All you did was make an argument FOR XS sights....
you didnt watch the entire video, did you? TLDE: they provide no improvement up close if you know how to use standard sights and severely limit you at distance.
The fact that just 1nationally known instructor, no nationally known competitive shooters and zero mil/le units use Big Dots should be considered a clue.
exactly!!!
Actually, the military is just slow to adopt because the scale at which they have to adopt new equipment and then reconfigure the entire logistical structure around hundreds of thousands of people is why you don't see alot of sick shit in the military outside of sof. Also, why fuck around with thousands of new sight systems or some other small arms shit when you can just invest in drones and munitions?
Clearly, your point is lame because your just a civ Baron.
@@ryanvalencia1027 there are plenty of people in the US military that get to use things that aren't issued. I'm sorry you've never trained with any of them.
I can't argue Baron's stats, but think he missed the fact that this video validates the useful appeal of XS Dots. Most shooters are hobbyists. Few shoot competitively and a very small percentage of that subset shoot at any serious competitive level. Logically, these sights provide an easy point of aim to the novice or intermediate who may have aging eyes, or those who seldom shoot. It just depends on how one uses his/her firearm. To the Craig's point -- use what you like.
Competitive shooting is an entirely different animal. It's like comparing an Olympic archer to a bow hunter. Yeah, they both shoot at things and accuracy is always beneficial, but at the end of the day they are engaged in two ENTIRELY different endeavors! Same with target shooting and self defense.
I took my sights off. I practice 15 yards and I hit center mass every time.
This doesn’t really have anything to do with XS big dot sights - only needing your front sight at 5 yards holds true for any sights...this video is really just saying you don’t need them within 5-7 yards....
wrong. watch the video again.
It I understand why you only have 7k subscribers.
Thanks for watching