Does Microcosm Really Cook? (It Might Be Actually Broken)
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- Does Microcosm Really Cook? (It Might Be Actually Broken)
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Boss tier subjugators always have a "shield", so Microcosm absolutely deletes them, very useful during the dual destiny mission
Dude, I was shocked to see the boss bars vanish on Dual Destiny.
Wait what kinda shield?
it also melts tormentors
@@jaygei_2641stasis shield on stasis subjugator, strand on strand
@@jaygei_2641they act like they have a strand/stasis shield so micro and any strand/stasis weapon will do bonus damage
No one cares about gambit but microcosm is the new braindead meta invader weapon. Literally microwaves people from across the map with no effort.
I love microwave
is it really easier than bodyshotting with izanagi since that takes special ammo?
"Literally microwaves people" made me laugh more than I care to admit.
@@dankerbellless flinch so yes, much easier
still hunt might be better just cause it also is genuinely good for damage on the primeval if you swap to nighthawk on hunter at least
It still retains the 15% buff to anything except bosses because it's kinetic. They nerfed kinetics vs bosses with the patch, but left it for everything else
It is just bosses or also champions/mini bosses?
@@chungusultimatestrictly bosses
15% is specials
10% is primaries
Heavies is unconfirmed
incorrect, it is bonus 10% for primaries, 15% for specials, but given there is no value listed for heavies it likely doesn't have the increase in damage
Are you not getting primaries confused with kinetic?
Kinetics still get bonus damage on every tier of enemy except for bosses. This was a change in final shape. Which with this weapon I can see why.
true lmao, imagine the new dps meta is a microwave, and with arou d 120k dps and 3.6 million damage if this thing didn't get nerfed and with no incentive to land all crits, this thing would kill whisper
Didn't they entirely remove that in this dlc? I swear they mentioned that for the patch notes for TFS
nvm...
Makes sense. Nerf an entire weapon type because of 1 new weapon. Instead of properly balancing the game
@@justifano7046, what other knetic weapon were you using against bosses outside of supremacy?
"It doesn't have high DPS, but for some reason it feels like it cooks outside raids." Its because it is a machine gun. Its a machine gun that looks like a trace rifle. That is its role.
That is a good way to look at it
Does it count as a machine gun for Actium War Rig ?
@@readyforlolThey’re comparing the play style that it incites to a machine gun… not that it’s actually a machine gun. Obvi it won’t work with Actium
@@readyforlol No, he's saying it should be treated in playstyle as a machine gun. If you want to run it like Actium War Rig, you'd need to use Cenotaph as that has the autofill Actium has, but for Traces
@@readyforlol No, I'm not saying it is literally a machine gun, but it serves the same role as a machine gun.
5:10 remember that if the surge maches your subclass energy kinetics do recieve the bonus of said 25% if im not mistaken
Yeah this is actually a big pro instead of a con. You will always have the surge bonus as long as your subclass matches one of the surges. Or your super, I guess, if you are on Prismatic.
doesn't apply to raids and dungeons since those don't have the "overcharged weapons" modifier, which is the one that boosts kinetics if u match your super with the surges
Do you remember when this change was added? I can’t find it in any of the Final Shape notes
@@TeeBeeVOcame out in defiance
@@djwhyteryce3368 Thank you!
Well duh it's not gonna be good against The Witness, dude took no damage from the significantly bigger paracasual beam during Lightfall's opening.
Well we did end up finishing the kill with a giant microcosm beam
the witness, same as all tormentors and subjugators always count as shielded which increase the damage by quite a bit, so it actually cooks quite a bit on rthe witness
Isn't it about just a smidge weaker than Whisper?
It’s actually viable against Witness. On my Titan I threw axes, then just beamed it with Microcosm and 3x Kinetic surges, hit 4.5 million across two phases.
There seems to be a lot of people incorrect in the comments. The Overcharged Weapons modifier is what provides kinetic weapons a damage buff when your Super matches one of the surges. Surges can be active in activities without the overcharged weapons mod (like the raid) and therefore, kinetic weapons would not get that buff. For things like nightfall, overcharged weapons are active and getting the damage boost is possible.
If your super matches the surge, then the surge applies to kinetic weapons.
only when the overcharge weapons modifier is active, you can check that when u look at nightfalls
@@bilbo9730 Unless it's changed with Final Shape, overcharge wasn't needed. Currently unable to test until later tonight
@@VanpyroGaming0 i think he is talking about where that option is. I believe "Matching super with elemental surge also surges your kinetic weapon" thingy was part of the overcharge weapons modifier, not the elemental surges.
@@VanpyroGaming0 watch the "Threats, Surges and Overcharged Explained" from itzTizzle
it has always worked the same way
@@sailpark124 It's never been that way before. Again, can't test to confirm till later
"Uh, that's how guns work" - Love it.
Well, Trace Rifles did receive a 20% buff on top of the base damage increase…
Lots of folks think it's the intrinsic kinetic damage. Which is probably invalid because I'm guessing heavies don't get that. Your statement on traces getting that 20% buff on non-boss makes way more sense
def my most fav weapon this season, i gotta say that first 40 bullets or so feels like a good trace and after 40 bullets it suddenly MELTS EVERYTHIN IN THE GAME for some weird reason
I think it's a bug like the dmg for the first 40 takes a second to load in it happens to me 2
@@taydoyle8780 shhhhhh it aint a bug, it works exactly as itended brotha
Working as intended, indeed
this thing cooks with disruption break
Imagin that's the catalyst
COOKS BRO. COOKS
Damnnnn didn’t even think of that
Well tbh doesn't disruption break reload the weapon when it breaks a shield? It does extra dmg to shields, so it's probably only gonna have used a couple bullets to break the shield. Idk if disruption is what I want cuz it will only load like 5-8 bullets. I would love a target lock catalyst
@@dailycloudgaming5144you’re thinking of the perk genesis. Disruption break gives kinetic weapons a 50% buff for 5 seconds after breaking a shield.
Just PSA to everyone: kinetic weapons CAN get the surge as long as your super (or subclass element) MATCH the surge and the modifier “over charged weapons” is on.. you can hover over it and it says kinetics will be “surged” as long as your subclass or super match
Almost exclusive to nightfalls
I feel like "Overcharged Weapon" modifier should be anywhere any surges are, but whatever
It's like a REALLY strong Heavy Machine Gun. It also gets the bonus damage against Dread enemies, which helps a lot in Pale Heart activities or even the seasonal activity since there's a Tormentor boss.
its really not that good.... especially considering that you're giving up an exotic slot, youre better off just using commemoration or any other decent machine gun
@@andrewberger3110 people are running triple legendary loadouts this season bc legendaries are so strong.
@@superbob24 have u heard of sunshot? grav lance? still hunt? navigator? i could go on but the point is if youre running triple legendary you just suck at making loadouts
@@superbob24 only time i could ever see triple legendary be viable would be lucky pants hunter with a rocket sidearm and eager sword
@@andrewberger3110 It's better than like 99% of the exotic heavies. The only exotic heavies that see much use are arguably Whisper and Ghorn and one of those isn't because of its damage. It basically 1-2 phases every raid boss in the game consistently making it a better Tlord as most one phases require a lot of set up. Also down below you mention Sunshot, Grav, Sill Hunt, and Navigator let me reply to each
Sunshot is still good but after the nerf the explosion doesn't do nearly as much as it once did same with Grav both start falling off in higher end content and likely won't even be viable in Master/GM content like they used to be
Still hunt is great....For hunters. For Titans and Warlocks its okay it deals a lot but its too slow to be meta defining like it is on Hunters who basically get an extra celestial nighthawk shot while Titans and Warlocks get a slightly better Izi.
Navigator fills a completely different role from most weapons its dps, ad clearing, and burst are pretty meh but its a powerful support weapon and great for Titans who are doing solo dungeons
I kinda like it for the witness cause u don’t have to ads so you can see the blasts easier and you won’t blow yourself up cause someone strafed in front of you which is likely to happen there since you kinda have to move
It’s kinetic, those song of flame explosions are gonna go nuts
5:53 this man’s way too lucky for his own good
If i'm not mistaken, the kinetic bonus damage doesn't apply for bosses, but apply for orange, red bars or mini bosses
That should still only be 15% though, it feels way stronger than that.
It's 15% for specials
10% for primaries
Heavies are unconfirmed
The main advantage I see to this thing is its forgiving nature for dps. If you miss shots on whisper or rockets, your dps decrease is significant. But the microcosm beam has no travel time, and each individual damage instance is less important, so missing a couple of criteria doesn't mean having to reload. Its condition for achieving its damage increase also isn't that contrived. Just pop goldy or thundercrash, or, well and boom, damage. It's a really safe weapon to dps with super consistent numbers. That, to me, is the main advantage of the weapon. Sort of like how people used thunderlord for a while on nezzy because less could go wrong.
Kinetic weapons get surge bonus if your super matches the surge unless they changed that in TFS.
Came here to say that 😅
never worked that way, it's the overcharge weapons modifier that buff kinetics when you match your super
@@bilbo9730 Yes which is a 25% buff the same as surge
@@PineappleZach666 except it's not the same as a surge
Except its tied to overcharge modifier @@PineappleZach666
I've also found myself using no exotic weapons a lot so far in the final shape
this thing became one of my favorite heavy weapons its basically if you took one of Rheinmetall's prototype particle beam weapons you would see on ships and tanks and made it a portable weapon it just bores through anything you point it at.
In activities where Artifact Overcharges are active, Kinetic weapons will be Overcharged if your super matches an Overcharged element, like Solar or Strand. It clearly says this under the additional overcharges modifier in activities where it applies.
It feels like it fits better as a really strong MG to me.
- Great total damage and reserves (like an MG)
- high DPS for an MG
- Kinetic Damage bonus versus Non-boss enemies
- Strips shields and deletes Subjugators due to shield interactions
- built-in thresh
- long lasting but infrequent damage buff.
So yeah, I’m using it more like a LMG and it cooks when used like that.
Where are you getting built in tresh from
@majora919 he means for Prismatic, as Kinetic feeds both Light and Dark meters for Transcendent
@@majora919it gives bonus super energy on kill
@@majora919 did you see the video
@@Briggsian That isn't what he meant at all. He was talking about the bonus super from kills. What are you talking about?
Oh yeah, one more thing, it actually absolutely should cook any type of boss where you have to break a shield initially, espeically talking about the Ghosts of the Deep bosses, as you can have one person on Arbalest, which will grant you a 50% buff due to Disruption Break.
I think a big bonus is that you are in full control of the entire damage. Rockets can be over kill or some things just chunk but with the RPM it’s so easy to stop when you’ve done enough damage.
For the surge thing I should remind you that it says kinetic weapons gain the 25% buff if your super matches the surge type.
Glad you are back making loads of content! Miss that sweet voice and DPS numbers!
have you uploaded the warlock build on this video? with the arc buddies and turret nades
Weirdly enough, I liked using it against the witness since you can hip fire and see the attacks on the ground to make callouts. Very helpful in keeping my teammates alive and my damage wasn't too far off my teammates except the people using hunter with still hunt.
A lot of dope weapons this expansion
Subjugators get fried for them have a built in stasis/strand shield
I was trying it with song of flame, but not dumping my super, but instead using it while the super is active, because song of flame says, rapid kinetic/solar hits apply scorch, and i tied the fragment that causes sever on precision hits, i never did any actual testing, but it seemed ok?
With your super matching the surge kinetics get the surge bonus also, I think its a good thing especially for solar on hunter / warlock, and strand / void on titan
As long as your super matches the surge, kinetic weapons get the surfer bonus so theoretically it always matches surge
I could see a use for boss dps in dungeons like Ghost of the Deep, where all the bosses have a shield each time you start a dps phase
Idk if you know but if you hit subjugators with the matching element type they're using (so if it's using stasis using a stasis weapon) you'll do bonus damage... maybe that has something to do with it because micro does bonus to shields 🤔 maybe overthinking it
I've seen several people in the comments state this as fact, so you may be onto something.
Remember that if your super matches the active surge, your kinetic weapons get the surge buff as well.
you can still use it in surge activities if your subclass is the same as the surge
having the same subclass makes your kinetic weapons surge
Been using it while I farm class item
It does in fact cook
Im using a double special for the first time because of this weapon. Ceno + cosm is just too good. Rocking the stasis trace with the solar rocket sidearm. New favorite loadout
I've been using it in place of MGs. It bursts through elites and has a decent reserve size.
Can you test two tailed fox, the prismatic fragment facet of command reloads it after suppression. You can just hose out rockets and it feels good but I'm curious if it's actually a good option.
Unless they changed it or it doesn’t apply to heavy kinetics for some reason, bungie said surges will apply to any kinetic weapon if your subclass matches the surge. Yes I mean outside of listed weapons and champ mods. No I don’t know how this works with prismatic
I really think giving it a catalyst that gives it the perk osmosis or permiability would be great. Being able to use a grenade or class ability to match it to your grenade or super elemental type would give it that ability to recieve those surge buffs. Simple catalyst but would tremendously increase its potential
It's gimmick is being kinetic and you want it to have osmosis or permeability?
That's a very hot take
@@jacob-2271 it would still be kinetic but you could choose to change its dmg type if you wanted. It’s for buildcrafting I don’t know how it’s a hot take. They are also 2 of the most niche perks. Osmosis was so underused it needed a “new” perk that does the same exact thing but using a class ability instead.
I thought this was just an exotic lmg but I think I might actually go grab this one up soon
people forget kinetics get the surge (25%) bonus if your super matches a surge
This thing absolutely melts Subjugators lol
It would theoretically get surge benefits, if you match your subclass to the surges on an activity your kinetic weapons get the surge buff
Anybody know how much scorch this thing applies with song of flame active? Been waiting for a damage test of that scenario until i have time to get it myself.
Use Facet of Order (freezing or suppressing a target reloads your weapons) and you can use Bleak Watcher to freeze the boss, and never have to reload.
This thing is the new Thunderlord
This thing against the ghosts of the deep bosses is amazing
Wasnt it a thing with surges that if you had a subclass matching the surge, it increased kinetic damage 25% ?
Did they change it at some point without me noticing?
Another tip if you use hunters super squal paired with star eaters and galanor class item then facet of command. You will get insane boss dps while also never having to reload your weapon do to the facet of command, then your super is almost back instantly getting kills with microcosm and the benifit of galanor.
Definitely great for kinetic builds and just plowing through stuff.
Kinetics overpower when super matches the activity's surge.
I love the new exotic skin for orisa, the arm gun design is fire 🔥
I may be mistaken, but doesn't kinects recieve surge bonus equivalent to the subclass that you are using?
Note about surges, doesnt matching your super to the elemental surge give kinetic weapons the active surge damage increase? I remember seeing that in a tool tip, or somewhere in game...
If I remember correctly, kinetic weapons take advantage of the active surge if your subclass matches the surge. Or I think that may have been how it was in the past? Idk
This thing allows for Super --> Heavy damage --> 2nd super if you can pair with things like Shards of Galanor.
This thing needs the “fundamentals” perk for its catalyst
onslaught has trace buff this week and it absolutely cooks the tormentors
I need to know what shader you use on no hesitation
Kinetic weapons get the surge damage if your subclass element/super matches the surge. so you can get the surge bonus for this gun
How does the extra super charge compare to Bad Juju?
Who would have thought that putting a special weapon archetype in the heavy slot would be good for non-boss encounters.
Unless it is bugged or something, kinetic weapons are supposed to get the benefits of a surge modifier if your subclass matches the surge.
something i dont see people mention is that when multiple people use it it seems to stack in damage effective ness. 2 people with surge deletes mini bosses in seconds.
Don't kinetic weapons get a damage bonus if your super matches the surge? like this week is solar surge so if I ran solar titan it gets the damage bonus. I could easily be wrong but I swear I've heard that recently
does the damage buff stack with lumina? i main lumina and i always wonder if im even making a difference
I could totally see myself swapping this into my mantle of battle harmony agers build. Agers is great but sometimes I need a diff utility weapon in that slot so having an exotic heavy option is low key kinda nice. Bonus points that it’s also the first heavy exotic that ties in super usage I believe.
It also has a catalyst on light gg, hopefully the perk from it is useful
Kinetic weapons do get surge bonuses when your subclass matches one of the surges. So if you're on solar surge, running well or song of flame should give your kinetic weapons the bonus. Just a small correction for future comparisons of kinetic weapons.
This shield they mentioned here perhaps apply to DR. I wonder if it works well with Brigg too.
If your subclass matches to the surge kinetic weapons get the boost to damage
The Micro straight melts bosses
I use it to cook the tormentors in the new exotic mission, feels very good.
someone brought this in ghosts and it definitely cooked during the boss fight!
Why is there a 2nd DPS number? I’ve seen that on aegis’s spreadsheet too but idk which is which or what one to take seriously when debating which guns are better or not compared to each other
I thought your kinetics received surge bonuses if your super aligned with the surge? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Kinetic weapons get the surge bonus if your super/subclass matches one of the surges.
Double check my statement but iirc it’s been this way since surges were introduced.
Ehroar, I also used it on Witness and had damage numbers inferior to my teammate, but we also very easily two phased it with no weakness buffs and only one hunter on Still Hunt, it's possible the weapon really is hitting harder than it shows and possibly even registers for boss damage on summary screen. Would be interesting to see 6 of them used against a raid boss, I'm wondering if this could be a high FPS thing just like 1k voices back in the day?
Kinetic weapons DO get surge modifiers IF your subclass (or super for prismatic?) matches the currently active surge!
What happened to their being a kinetic surge whenever your subclass matches surges?
Did bungie get rid of the whole matching your subclass to the surges give kinetic weapons the surge buff? I don’t remember them ever saying that
Due to how Dread enemies work, like Tormentors and Subjugators, it actually does more damage to them, since it bypasses their DR
Don't kinetic weapons get the surge bonus when you subclass matches the surge?
Can you make a video in your build pls? How is your opinion on warlock now? You sounded a bit disappointed before final shape
No surges but what about overcharge? Does it take the 25% when traces are overcharge?
Matching your subclass to the surge gives the buff to kinetic weapons
I believe it DOES have some sort of hidden damage boost against Tormentors and Subjugators, though I can't give you a specific reason why that's the case. The Subjugators always take increased damage to their own element at least so it might have something to do with that at least but idk why that's the case for Tormentors, unless they take bonus damage to void or kinetic specifically maybe?
I love how incredibly it feels and I hope it stays this way lol.
Doesn't matching your subclass to the surge overcharge your kinetic weapon? Maybe because its in the heavy slot its missing that damage in the surge activities
Question: I remember kinetic exotics getting the surge buff if your super matches the surge. Is this still the case?
I thought i was gonna hate it but its been my favourite final shape exotic
How is it when you have someone else in your Fireteam using Song of Flame, which gives Kinetic Weapons Scorch?
OGMA PR6 is a pulse that can run Distribution Break and Adaptive Munitions as well.
Or Cenotaph it up with Retraced Path's roll of the same combo.
Boost that Kinetic Damage up!!!