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7mm Rem Mag V 300Win Mag @ 2342yards
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My half dozen or so, 1000yard shots over the past few years are my big claim to fame. Lol now I find a breezy day video of 2300 yards. That's damn impressive!
Glad you liked, Cheers and all the best.
3:28 for 300 win mag and 7:20 for 7mm impact energy on target for those wondering
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Your a 300 win mag fan boi aren't you? 7mm RM out shoots 300 WM in almost all applications.
John Prophet lol Well it’s just an opinion but it was also the most deadly sniper in US Military history, Chris Kyle, preferred round (being the 300 Win Mag) reason being is that it was way cheaper than the 338 per shot but still had amazing knock down power at crazy ranges like 1 mile +. But that Chris Kyle reference wasn’t just a counter argument to what you said about a round out performing another round...it’s not the round homie, it’s the shooter...the round only really matters when it comes to power, speed as well as utility for things like armor piercing application...
@@GrimScripts ... ThankYou sir for mentioning US Navy SEAL Chris Kyles’ expertise as a sniper. His longest kill shot was 2,100+ yards. Almost twice the effective range for 300 Win Mag. May God Rest his soul✝️🇺🇸
@@unclefuddelmer9224 He used a 338 Lapua to take his longest shot
Excellent shooting Mark, very informative, you touched on something I have never heard anyone ever mention in distance shooting was how the bullet behaved when travelling at supersonic speed and the effect of vibration when slowing down. You hear this when referring to supersonic fighter jets and the effect of sonic boom but never in shooting.
Thanks man, glad you liked, Cheers
Excellent result! I've hunted with .300 WM hand loads for over a decade and it never fails to impress. Awesome video! Thanks!
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7mm mag is my favorite. Great video
Thanks Matt
Those Bergers are amazing. So glad I have a ton of them!
Sure are, Cheers
this is so awesome these 2 rounds are so similar in ballistics its amazing to see the difference at an extreme range.
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Dragon800 the farthest kill shot I’ve ever heard was at about 1700 yards on a whitetail deer so them rounds is plenty enough rifle for most big game at almost any range
@@handle--729 cap 30-06 drops like crazy at just like 100 yards
@@nate.hanlon 30-06 drops like 42 inches at 500 yards 7mm rem mag drops about 37 inches at 500. Not a significant difference at hunting ranges.
@@rockie307 that actually makes quite the difference for me. I’m not good at stalking, and my standard shot range for elk turns into 500-600 yards on average. Your comment actually made up my mind on the matter.
It is amazing how similar the elevation and drift was. Awesome!
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The best part of long range shots is just hearing the round.
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I have used a 7mm for many years. I also used a .300 Wby as well. Now I use a Ruger in .300 RCM. My BR rifle was built by Jim Borden in .300 Borden Caribou. It’s my 1k yd rifle. Great shooting. A friend of mine in Sydney is in the Australia bench rest hall of fame, Keith Highfield. Great guy and an a genius in riflery.
Sound like some nice rifles, Cheers
Having lived/worked in Australia I can tell you Aussies are Texans with proper manners. Both are friendly and love the outdoors. Nice comparison, just what I was looking for mate. G'day
Cheers Stew, thanks Man,
Seriously? I don't know too many Texans running around calling each other bloody counts all day long...
I own a Rem 700 BDL 7mm mag. I have had it for nearly 30 years - killed many a deer with it. It’s always been my go to gun. Longest kill was on a Colorado Muley at approx 600 yards. Amazing gun. I feel the 300 is a pretty good round too.
I bought mine cause it is a great round for anything from white tails up to elk.
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I loved my 7mm Mag but sold it and am building a 7mm RUM. Great video hope to post one myself.
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It must be nice to have that kind of area to practice those kind of shots.
Sure is, Cheers
That's why having friends in Texas is great
MarkandSam AfterWork is this in newzealeand greenlands. Just wondering cause my father goes hunting in a simalier spot if so.
You can get this in AZ, gun loving state too.
called living out west(;
Great shooting again and I just love the sound of those bullets wizzing through the air
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Have been hunting with the 7mm Rem Mag for a number of years and love it!
It might seem Overkill ,hunting deer with this round, but with good shot placement you get Instant Kills with no suffering and less meat contamination. Good video
Hi there, yes great round, Cheers
moritz wassmann I've tracked two monster bucks shot by friends that can shoot,as you know big bucks don't lie down easily.the bullet is so fast I think it doesn't expand under 100 yards.the 7-08 however opens up almost as much as a 30 cal at treestand shooting distance,I'll never own one.
Over kill ...really....it is about killing the animal period...I went from a 7mm to a 338 wm so nothing would ever walk away.....7mm was get 338 is always taking meat home where you hit it at.....
@@deerhunter7482 treestand hunting less than 150yds is not the intention of the 7mmRemMag. I would say 300-800yds. It's kind of the 0.270 big brother for a few hundred more yards.
@@deerhunter7482 what u mean? Which round don't you like?
I have used both a .300 and now primarily 7mm and have been hearing alot on this 6.5. thanks for the input.
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6.5 creedmoor is a very versatile round, it's a great gun. I don't have one but a friend does and has used it from small game up to mule deer with fantastic success.
The 6.5 is a 300 win mag with out the hurt shoulder but u can turn up the winmag and out shine the 6.5 any day. We just got done shooting 800 yards Sunday with the 6.5
The 6.5 doesn't have anywhere near the downrange energy of the 300. Compare your target size and range and if the 6.5 is enough I would go with that.
Nice comparison of two great long range calibers at distance. Good video as always.
Thanks Man, yeh I like them both, Cheers
You and your equipment are certainly good enough to get the job done . Thanks be
Hi Shannon, thanks for that. Cheers
I'm really happy with my 7mm rem mag I built on a 300 win mag sniper stock, same barrel and cartridge dimensions so it dropped in perfectly and they feed in the 300 magazine's no problem.
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MarkandSam...thanks for posting your vids, please keep it up,
The long range shooting sport really needs more acceptance by the uneducated crowd.
Long range shooting is not always about shooting deer.
BTW excellent shooting and load development!
Thanks man, glad you liked, Cheers and all the best
7mm is an underrated round that has been around for a long time. Both are good though. ✌️
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Nice shootin' glad to see you are always responding to your fans questions and helping us out!
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Am I the only one that can hear the bullet flying through the air? Had to turn up the volume on head phones but it’s definitely the bullet! Love the content, cheers.
Yes sure is, there are lots of videos on the channel that have the bullet sound, Cheers
I was in Perth 40 some years ago when I was with the Marine Detachment on the USS MIDWAY. Very good video. I like Berger bullets as well.
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Have both, I never thought of that. Awesome comparison!
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Two Fantastic Calibers that perform VERY Well . I am a 7mm RUM user and I would never use anything else .
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And I can’t hit my own ass with both hands. Fantastic videos. Very fair and informative. Keep ‘em comin thanks!
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20 minutes of left wind.. this bullet is doing a massive curve to get there. amazing.
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Brilliant ! Simply remarkable. You both make it look so easy . Nicely done again.
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If I made that shot, I'd have it embroidered on every shirt I own. LOL Great shooting.
Thanks Man, Cheers
I think its really cool that you can hear the bullet passing the down range camera followed by the report of the rifle.
Yes different sound in the spot, Cheers
MarkandSam AfterWork Originaly thought it was possibly a vehicle passing until the 3rd shot fired.
I have the Winschester 7mm Rem Mag is an excellent bullet, fast and generates a lot of energy, I use it for long shots in Deer and Bear
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That's some good shooting, period. I watched the wind blowing throughout this video and was quite impressed with his ability to get on target with so few shots for each caliber.
I've hunted with both and found the 7mm Remington to be much easier to deal with on all levels. That being said, I use a 7x57 Mauser which has hardly any recoil and is great for my hunting needs of 25-175-ish yards for whitetail deer.
Again, that was some great shooting!
Thanks Paul, yes the 7mmRM is a great bit of gear, Cheers and all the best.
7mm Rem Mag (Browning A-Bolt Stalker) owner, here. This round doesn't get enough attention.
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Great shooting. I used your data, guessing at some, and plugged both cartridges into the JBM online ballistics program. It appears that the program doesn't quite agree with your drops. This is not too surprising considering the range. The program had the 300 dropping 110.8 moa and the 7 dropping 123.5 moa. A little surprising was the point at which they went subsonic 1750 for the 7 and 1900 for the 300, considering they only differed by 50fps at the target. Great fun once again.
Thanks man, yes most ballistic calculators get a little out of wack at these ranges, i tweak what I use with lots of data, to get them in tune, all good fun, Cheers and all the best.
What loads are you talking about? ..the best factory load i can find with siera match king bullets for 300 win mag becomes subsonic before reaching 1400 yards ...you must be talking about some unicorn load...what load is it if it exists i need to get my hands on some
It's actually hard to imagine that accuracy with everything involved.
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Truly,
These 2 are legends imo.
I'm in awe the wind you manage to read. That flag it standing. Nice work
Thanks Man, Cheers and all the best.
She is a great spotter.
Sure is, Cheers
It’s incredible to me that there is still that much remaining energy at that range.
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you should check out much longer projectiles, I saw some tables for artillery shells, at 1500 meters they had dropped less 500 FPS in velocity.
Great shooting & video Mark & Sam. l like the sound of the bullets and the Australian accent.
Hi Troy, thanks mate, yes the bullet flight sound in the spot is different to anyway else we shoot, Cheers and all the best.
Love the 300 win mag I like using 180 grain ballistic silver tip
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Nice video. The 7mm gets there more quickly, but the 300 leaves a bigger dent.
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Don't know if the 7mm got there more quickly unless you timed it and know for sure. The 7mm required 4 more elevation clicks than the 300... It starts faster but the heavy 300 retains velocity a bit better at that range.
The 300 win mag is more versatile round lighter grain bullets Have been known to go fast enough from that rifle to spin the jacket off of them !
But that will do you very much good long distance .
You need the weight of the Bullard to carry speed downrange .
The notary was just testing this two rounds .
140s arent as fast as 150s from a 300wm that i can fimd anywhere
Personally havent researched on the heavier stuff as 150 yards is about the furthest you'll see around here haha
You know your stuff sir. I have both and before the video started I new the conclusion. Wonderful rounds. Push to shove 300 for moose over 7mm Just more horsepower at contact
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Agreed. For deer and elk I would choose the 7mmMag.
I see this is an old post still I cant help but comment this is a very well thought out comparison and test thank you the video
Cheers John, thanks man
Your Wife must really really Love you to get out of Bed and be at range by 5 15 in the morning . Love your Videos
Thanks Scott, we both get a lot from this stuff, Cheers
Apparently you didn’t go shopping for the right wife Scott.
Hell, mine has bought me the major part of my favorite collection.
I keep her just as happy with her wants and needs however. Finding the right spouse in this hobby (passion) is 100% mandatory.
@@poppabear9279 are you special 🙄
I just showed your video to my wife. Maybe she will learn to be a spotter lol of course I need to be able to shoot more than 500 yards too. Around here it's all mountains.
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Is this what a functional loving couple looks like?
Yep, cheers
Great video Plugged this in to my ballistics calculator for equal bullets. Im a huge 7mag fan myself. As fallows 300 WM 185 GRN BERGER 2900 FPS MUZZLE @ 500 YRDS 2100 FPS 1800 FT-LBS 1000YRDS 1450 FPS 850 FT-LBS AND @ 1500 YRDS 1000 FPS 450 FT-LBS Now for the 7 Mag as follows 180GRN Berger 2900 FPS MUZZLE @ 500 YRDS 2250 FPS 2000 FT-LBS 1000 YRDS 1650 FPS 1100 FT-LBS 1500 YRDS 1200 FPS 600 FT-LBS The further you shoot the more the 7Mag shines over the 300 WM. People don't like to hear this. They are pretty equal but the 7 Mag still has 200 FPS OVER THE 300 WM AND 150 FT-LBS more energy. You get all that and about 15 lbs less recoil.
Thanks Steve, Cheers
It seems like everyone always likes to compare the heavier smaller diameter rounds (high BC) with the lighter rounds for a larger caliber(low BC). The 7mm may shoot flatter I have not looked at the ballistic charts for each round, but I'm almost positive that if you use the HEAVIEST 300 wm projectile with the heaviest 7mm projectile, the 300WM has more energy down range. Obviously the same weight projectiles moving at the same speed but one is thinner (higher BC) it will preform better and better over the other one the further down range it goes.
codfishdoom not any more the 195gr. 7mm has a higher bc than the 230 gr. 30 cal
According to the Gundata.com ballistic calculator, a 195 grain .28 cal spitzer has .698 BC, while a .30 cal 230 grain spitzer has .717 BC. So with the exact same bullet construction and max weight projectiles, 300 WM has a higher BC. Either way my first statement is still correct, the 300 has more energy at any range with those two projectiles. Energies at 500 yards, 7mm=1,821 ft-lbs, 300WM= 2,319 ft-lbs. Even at 3000 yards, 7mm energy= 274, 300WM= 339. So at 3,000 yards it only has 65 ft-lbs more, which probably wont make much of a difference, but my first statement is still correct. The 300 WM has more energy at ANY range than the 7mm if both are using their heaviest, highest BC projectiles. The 300 also has less drop than the 7mm with these two bullets ,195 vs 230, with 54 inches drop for 7mm, 51inches for 300 both at 500 yards (300 WM also has less wind drift)
I also realize I just automatically assumed they are both standard spitzers, while the 7mms bullet may be more efficiently designed (better than standard spitzer) I was just stating that if the two projectiles were constructed exactly the same just the difference in caliber (28 vs 30), the 300 wins everytime. Higher BC, more energy, less wind drift, less drop, according to the ballistic calculator.
Great video, I have both, thanks for sharing.
Thanks Ken
Good demo showing 300 carries a lot more retained energy as expected. Nice shooting.
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Great shots. Myself...I prefer the 300 win mag. Decent conditions but still some wind to deal with...so have congratulate U on a couple of great shots. Awesome to hit n so few shots from either gun!
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MarkandSam AfterWork...how does the 7mm equate to caliber? The 300 wm is 30 caliber?? The 7mm was smaller by grains, but the 300 wm is larger n circumference??
MarkandSam AfterWork...Sorry to ask the size, but I've never shot or seen one n person. Awesome shooting & Sam does a great job as spotter too. Thanks again.
Really, well 7mm is diameter, just the same as 30 cal is diameter, one is metric and one is imperial like a.223 is the same size as 5.56mm. I think maybe you should do some basic research / reading on fire arms. Cheers all the best.
Wow, even at that distance the 300 still smacked the hell out of the target.
Yes, great round and very capable out there, Cheers
7mm rem mag is king in my book luv mine, fast and flat...
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Pulled out my 300 for some shots today. Thought I’d look back at what you had done with the 300. Interesting seeing how your equipment has evolved over time since this video.
Awesome, Cheers
Great shooting spot!
Thanks Bruce
Actually pretty amazing at that distance.
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How many people in the world actually understand the complexity of that range?? I understand some but even the initial calculations are pretty overwhelming. When you can actually see the barrel move toward the scope during adjustments, that's skill.
Nice shooting wish I was there I've been planning on buying a 300 or 7MM 7 AM rifle or uh truly again anyways nice suggestion keep watching
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I built me a custom wild cat hunting rifle that is a balance between your two rifles..... it is a blown out 7mm weatherby cartridge with a 37 degree shoulder and 91 grain capacity shooting the 195 grain berger hybrids with a bc1 of .755.... It shoots them with a velocity of 2970 with an extreme spread of 5 shots of only 5 ft/sec. I never calculated the sd's but it is very good. a lot of brass prep, weight sorted brass, powder charge less than .02 grains variation, bullet length of ogive sorted and by weight..... It has a custum cut single point barrel with a 1.3 inch diameter 4 inch long shank that tapers to .8 at muzzle.... no muzzle break, a lot of fun to shoot and a good long range gun for windy conditions for deer.....
Sounds like a nice rifle, and yeh would be fun to shoot, Cheers
MarkandSam AfterWork I just watched your 4k video.... very nice.... I was wondering how you were controlling the rear bag.... looked like a neat set up....
Thanks, we designed and make them our selves, we also make them to sell, if interested email us at mkelse@westnet.com.au and Sam will send you some details, Cheers
Great video, and some fine shooting! Well done.
Thanks Kent, Cheers
Up late editing this one pal. Great work as always. Keep them coming brother.
Yeh Dawesy, Thanks Man.
Great shooting!
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Well done :) very good at shooting and tuning V8 cars :)
We do our best, cheers
Now that's quality couple time right there!
Yep, Cheers
I would have liked to see a 180gr 300WM round against the 180gr 7MM. MV would have been very similar. Wind effect and I suspect SD would have also been closer to equal. Getting the powder weight a bit closer would be interesting also.
Great team you have.
Thanks Tuna, but doesn't work quite like that, bc/mv combination is far more relevant out at extreme long range, Cheers
300 Windmag for the win.
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Great recoil management!
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Villamor78 how does he do it?
MarkandSam AfterWork how do you negate the recoil so well?
Holy Shit...... thats impressive
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I have always been told 165 grain is the best for 7mm. I shoot winchester Ballistic Silvertip 140 grain. One reason is the health of my shoulder. The other is the speed of the 7mm does tend to shoot clean through without expanding. Ballistic tip helps with that. And i feel 140 grain is all that's needed for white tail. I did shoot a 30 lb pig once at 200 yards behind the shoulder with this round. Bullet never touched a bone. Just poked a hole clean through. He squealed and ran 15 yards before bleeding out. But man what a flat shooting round.
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Impressive, considering the wind damn impressive
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2 great American cartridges!!
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finding it hard to believe 7mm drops more, good video
Yes out past 2000 the better bc of the 230 grain takes over, Cheers
Nice shooting, nice rifles! cheers from New England
Thanks Man, Cheers
Hello from USA, Great shooting mate, keep up the great work
Thanks Dustin, Cheers
That’s a long poke.🎯 great shooting!
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Great video, superb shooting skills, thanks for sharing.
Glad you liked and thank you, Cheers
Another great video,thanks guys
Thanks Nick, was a while ago, glad you liked, Cheers
nothing like a 30-30 at 29 yards, iron sights, in chest waders..... on a MOOSE...done deal
sounds great, Cheers
Swamp Donkey Dinner.... Nice.... 29 yds does get the adrenaline pumping
I love both calibers but If I had to choose I would go with to the 7mm , I I use one of the 7MM REM UlTRA MAGNUM and it's my most accurate Rifle . I fell in love with the 300 Win Mag shooting a friend's Savage , a great rifle too .
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The one that is cheaper to shoot for the common Joe is the one I would pick.
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very nice comparison 👍
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I am very curious to learn what twist rates your barrels are for these... Also a deep dive discussion on bullet stabilization for ELR vs LR would be very informative and entertaining!
All videos we have done, all on the channel, Cheers
@@markandsamafterwork Oh super!... thank you i will watch them indeed. Cheers!
Excellent work, good comparison, it would be good if you could do this again in the future once you have more data on the 7mm.
Cheers, thanks for that Joseph.
Phenomenal gentlemen! Phenomenal! Great job!
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The 7mag didn't have as much drop did it.. the 300 was low, but that 7 didn't need as much comp for drop. Awesome video
Thanks Man, and as said, yes but very, very little difference, Cheers
Thank you for the great video!
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2342 yards, wow that's beyond impressive. I do have a .300 Winchester magnum hunting rifle and it can shoot .25" to .50" inch groups at 200 yards using Hornady 168 grain bullets. I've never used Berger bullets before because I don't have loading data for them and I'm not sure if they have a reloading manual.
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G1 bc difference .037 for the 300 win mag 3.5 moa less than 7mm 85 inches @ 2342 extra drop
G1 bc for 7mm 180g Berger Hybrid .683 for 300 230g Berger Hybrid .743
Great job! Greetings from Austria!
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You need the right caliber for your needs. If I'm hunting Moose in Alaska (where I live), the 7mm is ok. But if I have wind as in the video, I'm thankful that my heavier .300 Mag round flies better In the cross wind.With bigger game, you need bigger and accurate lead down field to make an humane shot.
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Love my T/C Compass 300WM!
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Impressive!
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excelent shooting, best videos on youtube!
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That is some awesome shooting.
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Have both.... LOL! Nice video. Thank you for your information.
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Awesome shooting
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You added more detail on the question I asked you the other day about dealing with subsonic flight. Why don't you try the 180 gr. Hornady ELD-M for me, their cheaper. LOL Thanks Mark and Sam.
Maybe if we work out a deal for testing bullets, I will gets lots in and test, but for my own use I have and like the Bergers, Cheers
I was just joking but thanks for your reply.
All things being equal I'm wondering if rifle twist makes any difference. Because they make 300 Win Mag in one in ten and one in eleven. But I believe 7 mm Remington mag is 1 in 9.45 in. I have shot 1 in 10 twist 300 Win Mag and 1 in 11 twist 300 Win Mag same barrel length and surprising difference of about 8% more energy with the faster twist.
From what I have seen, the twist makes little difference, just need the right twist for the bullet weight your running, Cheers
Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
Thanks Ken, Cheers
Fantastic! Those guns didn't recoil as much as I thought they would though.
Thanks Joe, well set up rifles and 100kg (220lb) behind them will help with that, Cheers