The Lost Liberals Of India - Sagarika Ghose - Journalist & Author - At Algebra Conversations
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- In the hyper-fraught conversations around patriotism and nationalism that take centerstage in public discourse today, “liberals” have come to stand for “un-Indianness”.
Sagarika Ghose - celebrated journalist for three decades and author of four books - however, it is notions of force, muscle-flexing and dominance that are unpatriotic, and Gandhi’s ideas of accommodation, friendship and generosity that are at the heart of what constitutes an Indian tradition.
And to expand on how liberalism is a building block of Indianness; and why there is no greater way to be Indian than by being a challenger, we are in conversation with the articulate commentator on dissent, the need for argument and why she is a proud liberal in Battling Big State.
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Ghose's dad, who headed Doordarshan in late 80's, tried to block Ramayan serial saying its "not secular enough". Ramandand Sagar ran pillar to post to get his show on air. Sagar finally had to pay twice the regular fee.
Do you have any proof???
Reallly?
Excellent lecture on liberalism
Sagarika talking about Ram and Upanishads now I have seen everything
She is talking about how liberal has become a smear word but the same is true for the word conservative. It is also ignorant to assume that conservatives don’t believe in individual rights.
Give me an example of conservatives believing in individual rights
Informed conservatives believe in individual right not bcz they are conservative but bcz they are informed. Indian society is largely feudal and that's bcz we play on the worst of conservative school of thought, and it exists only within the realm of culture and identity nothing more. Whilst developed countries used conservative ideas to further economic interests and amass wealth.
@@Achintyanath Bharathiya is also a label
Bhai ye liberal log ka keval tamaasha hai........
FYI India wasn't BORN in 1947 as u repeatedly said, it just gained independence from British colonial rule...this civilization is in existence for thousands of years n had remarkable political n cultural homogenity at times...
For these Chutia Bharatvarsh doesn't matter, they live in their Nehruvian dream of India. Bloody asshole
Some people earn their livelihood by being anti Hindu.....
@@vinumalviya817 idiot 😂😂 just because he shared his thought he became it cell member
"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance…." What a true statement.....!
We can speak about freedom, liberty and all sorts of ideal and noble things but ultimately what counts will be the "survival of the fittest". If this fittest is honest, noble and righteous, the country is saved otherwise fear and chaos will prevail. And I think, I should add "Rational" too among the different qualities this fittest should possess.....
Liberty does not mean u throw kashmir pandits out of kashmir. Have u done any research on Kashmiri pandits living as refugees in their own country ?
In a globalized world, secularism looks so basic while Hinduism becomes a unique characteristic of India. Everyone knows that about 75-80% of Indians identify as Hindus. A more important number is that 90-95% of all Hindus in the world live in India. I believe that's the reason for the rise in Hindu-consciousness.
In the past, when countries were less connected, India was a more insular country where the Hindu majority had more dividing forces like caste, language than unifying forces. Sadly for Indian liberals, globalization worked against them.
Sagarika Ghosh... a liberal? You must be joking! 😁
liberal economy? what is that?
She speaks so elegantly. Captivating and Exilerating..
I like the way she changed the topic n beat around the bush when asked abt shaheenbagh which was classic example of how community appeasement coupled with selective liberalism n freedom eventually leads to chaos, disorder n mayhem.
24:25 Yeah, there was no "communalism" before TV. What happened in 1947? Let alone during mogul occupation.
Calling Gandhiji as liberal is the biggest blunder by Sagarika. He was highly shrewd politician who manipulated Indian people and western media. Most orthodox Conservative person.
That's your interpretation
He may be conservative in many terms, but he did not say anyone to follow his path doctrinally. Obviously it was his shrewdy but that's liberalism also.
@@pratapmandal497 he was a neo luddite and a conservative in many aspects.
Being a liberal has become a bad thing not only in India but also in most places in the world. The world as well as India is split. But those supporting the liberals are going down over time. The reason for why that is happening is not discussed anywhere. And if it were to be discussed, it wont be discussed honestly. Sagarika is correctly saying that the liberals are being called Jehadist, anti national, urban naxal, presstitute, comunist, etc. But if she was honest, she would also say that the words are not used merely to insult. They convey a meaning. Those are relevant words to some extent.
Yes mam you are 100% correct, I loved your thoughts. Gandhi was a true liberal, I wholeheartedly admire him for what he was. But there are people who use true liberals for their own benifits, thats how Gandhiji was used by vested interested people to break the nation into 3 parts. Thats what scares me. And that two parts become islamic states where even thinking about liberalism is a crime.
~9:30 "A lawful system that imparts liberty to the individual, that believes that society is best served by free individuals, is what liberalism actually means"
They say X and do Y. Look at the business bashing liberals do, no economic freedom.
@@abhimanyukarnawat7441 a wild Lord Karnawat has appeared! Nice meeting you here! All well?
15:45 Yes in non-chrislamic systems, dharmic systems, god is questioned, and it's okay. Once chrislam adopts this value itself, problem solved.
Instead, it is a historical fact that chrislam wiped off indigenous and inclusive heterodox cultures without exception all over the world.
We Indics are the last one standing, and hence we need to be extra vigilant. We are the only nation that survived attempted extermination by *both*: the medieval islamic hordes and the neo-medieval xtian European colonists.
Conservative Christian countries stipulated the separation of church and state which lead to a rich culture of debate against evangelical interests. Today they are ahead in science, tech and quality of civil society because of that. I'm sorry, but the same can't be said about "indics".
@@NidzShah-ps6kr They did all that only *after* they created an unassailable xtian majority. Southern Europe, Spain did reconquista. We stupid indics neither stopped predatory undesirables from barging in, nor did a reconquista.
True
It’s really great to be a TRUE liberal; not a FAKE/ PSEUDO one.
You're a shame of Bengal! Bengal is Netaji...,Bengal is Khudiram Bose,....Bengal is Tagore. Not a paid Chinese agent like you.
There is nothing liberal about you all. Sagarika is a third grade professional. Everything about this meet is false.
Just listen to Sagarika talk to the substance she has. Embarrassing.
Libral confused 😂
Yes indeed the price of liberty is eternal vigilance... and also the price of true and honest liberalism is birth of Islamic states and death of liberalism itself in that states ( A lesson from Indian independence movement )
"Switch off media ..."..
isn't that illiberal?
Modi switching off temples during corona isn't that anti hindu?
Why didn't you go to Israel during 15 years of nehru , 10 of Indira , 5 of Rajiv an 10 of manmohan ji ? If you didn't like them ?
@@literarymusings8886 alright then, muse over this !: Modi , during his tenure as cm of Gujarat had demolished several temples for development..
m.timesofindia.com/india/80-temples-demolished-in-Modis-capital/articleshow/3706244.cms
@@premprasad3511 why ?
Those who say - if you don't support modi go to Pakistan , I ask them why didn't you go to Nepal or Bhutan or Israel during 70 years of Congress ?
5:30-6:30 See the interesting contradiction n position of convinience:-
She feel insulted n despise being labelled as communist n urban naxal but soon after she herself ignorantly n foolishly calls democratic rule of bjp as Hindu or hindutva nationalism? Propaganda exposed!
Hypocrisy at its peak😄
😂. Liberals 😢🙈
Dalal Desai 😂😂😂😂😂
22:25 Verbal slogans against you. Thats benign at worst, freedom of speech at best. Think of Taslima Nasreen, Rushdie, theo van Gogh, kamlesh amongst others. Why were they attacked physically, in many cases fatally?
Liberal means Muslim appeasement
Liberal is good.... presstitute is bad Who calls this lady liberal
2014 se pehle kahna thi
this programme definitely will irritate and unbearable for certain sections.
Any chomu watching 😆
Come on read article 2 of us constitution which says the president has got all the power in the world😂😂. you are just a joker
Why didn't you go to Israel during 15 years of nehru , 10 of Indira , 5 of Rajiv an 10 of manmohan ji ? If you didn't like them ?
Matashree sagarika ki prabachan sunkar main mantra mugdh ho gaya.......... You are talking about somany things...But look at the comments ...your credibility is in question....answer that first.I tried to listen your complete speech and my honest opinion is try to find what's are you good at.....it's never too late to start with your dreams. STOP dalali on the name of jurnalisim
Kya boli shuruat mein itna saara😂
These so called #Liberandus have no point only foolish Imagination.
Pseudo
I disliked it first and then watched.And unsubscribed as well.
Damm why the hell I commented 😂 does it worth commenting for such actresses...sorry intalect
That's all you do blame everything on Hindus
And you read the election process of United States.even if you lose the popular vote ,the electoral college is the main deciding body .I think you must read a little more
Why didn't you go to Israel during 15 years of nehru , 10 of Indira , 5 of Rajiv an 10 of manmohan ji ? If you didn't like them ?
@@literarymusings8886 I will surely go to Israel if necessary,you go to Italy 😂😂if you know what I mean 😜
@@srivatsal2871 on what context we're were you talking about the USelection process though?
Hindu means liberal.
SAGARIKA GHOST
Anti-india sagarika😡🤮
Fear fear fear bolka madam roj modi ko gali data ha
Violence by state reminds me of soni suri, anpadh ho ya natak karti ho itna Acha
Great Talk.
Sabrina Ghose is nautaki
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First video more dislike 😫 than like
Nice way of spreading propaganda