NBA Trainer Breaks Down Michael Jordan’s Weightroom Workout- Is Old School Training Still Good??
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I purchased Tim Grover's Jump Attack book and worked through the routines. The excercises are the same that MJ and Kobe did with Grover. The footage here shows upperbody excercises, but the book is very heavy on the lower body.
i’ve read it too! great book
What kind of exercise they did?:0
Grover later became Kobe's trainer and I definitely have seen footage of Kobe training the lower body. It is hard to believe any qualified trainer would tell Jordan, "Hey it's all good Mike, upper body is all you need bro".
@mikelee1655 I mean it was the 90s so it's not that unthinkable to believe that just with running and basketball it was enough work for the lower body.
These guys have a pretty good walkthrough of part of the program. czcams.com/video/6aHW7tV4tu0/video.html@@panchopanterachokomilk7522
Would you ever consider extending Tim Grover an invite to your show? We would love to see you guys talk shop, science and kinesiology
Pleas set this up
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I know I am kind of randomly asking but does anyone know a good place to watch newly released series online?
@@judesteven5951 Netflix
@Jude Steven I use flixzone. Just google for it =)
React to MVP Derrick Rose atlethism
and first stint cavs lebron too
injured derrick rose
UHH that's nuttttts
@@christiandecastro3360 byanymeansbasketball has a nice video about lebron and goes a bit into his movement patterns on court, doesnt cover everything but still interresting
@@CaesarMagnum really? i watched his lebron breakdown vid but it doesn't delve too much his athleticism. Ill check it out thanks!
On the lower body training - when MJ was older in DC he would do lots (5 sets of 30 reps) of jump squats with a 10 pound medicine ball.
Hell yeah he would
I'm really enjoying these reaction videos! Most of the "professional X reacts" type are from people who aren't the best in their respective fields, so seeing these from someone who IS is rather refreshing
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Muggsy Bogues was a good example. Was just watching a video with his former teammates talking about how taller and bigger players couldn't just have their way with him on the court because even though he was very short, he was very strong. His background in wrestling also helped.
the one thing about his trainer that was like 🤯🤯 is that he counted his steps, basically just recorded his motion on the court in order to keep track of possible injuries and im sure other reasons but man this whole program is just next level fs
That’s what every trainer should aspire to do. Unless it’s off of an uneven landing(for example you land on someone’s foot) most injuries come from overuse and bad habits. Like Drose never did a hop step on that side in his nba career and the 1 time he did he tore his knee apart.
@@bigsmall2842 if only this documentary came out sooner. i wouldnt doubt some trainers saw this particular scene in the last dance and it just clicked within them to start doing this for their clients. drose was differenttttt 😭😭😭
I trained with Joe Hanson, a strength coach mentored by Al Vermeil and was told that MJ could split snatch 275lb. Which would assume that he did Olympic movements as training for his lower body
God damn..... That’s insane
275!!!!! That’s amazingly strong!?!?
Impossible! Split Squat maybe
He did straight bar deadlifts 300#+ sets as well
You should see how much snatch Wilt could split.
Please do Zach Lavine's workouts. They seem so different and so hard
I’d love to see this too. Lavine is doin some odd stuff
Please do Damian Lillards workout too!
Specifically Lavine doing plyos (depth jumps & hurdle jumps) in the sand. Very counter-intuitive.
we'll take a look!
Lavine needs to do mamba mentality training, he's got the athletic aspects but the mind and will power needs to be taped
You should get tim grover on your podcast, that would be legendary. Old school vs new school
Also chris barnard, form overtimeathletes, also a great coach, havent seen him in a longer conversion on youtube
would be great conversation for sure!
I like both
The goal training high dollar players is, keep them on the court. If you do some stupid stuff in the gym to improve their performance and hurt them, start looking for another job. These guys are here because they can play the game, jump and run already. They wouldn’t be in the league otherwise. Keep them healthy with orthopedically sound training.
So Crossfit it is!! 😂
yessir!
@@vlada not its not
MJ worked on lower body just as much as upper. He spoke of it in his documentary they should the list of the full workouts. It seems like for lower body he kept it simple and just did the fundamental box jumps, squats etc.
Probably just exercises to maintain the athleticism instead of exercises to try to improve it since it was already so incredibly high.
Dwight Howard has some old workout videos that would be interesting to react to cause of how much slimmer he looks to have gotten over the years but still how he's maintained his athleticism into his older age
He's reduced a little muscle, weight and bulk in order to last longer and maintain similar levels of athleticism. If you notice, it's not just Dwight that has noticed this, but Lebron has done the same. They've both understood what it takes to get past a certain stage, which is great.
facts! his body has definitely changed!
@Honest Fan He OBVIOUSLY doesn't have his 2009-12 athleticism because he's in his mid 30's now and because of the back injury as you mentioned, but that man is clearly still VERY athletic. There was a highlight block of him almost snatching up a block in mid air LITERALLY 3 days back lmfao, there you go: czcams.com/video/r5s-i1_FjZI/video.html , scored 14pts 11rbs and 3 blocks in the next match after this too, stop it lol
@Honest Fan czcams.com/video/Wl4vUIVsPHI/video.html
You're telling me in his 17th season it's not impressive that he's still dunking like this? That's absurd. Of course he ain't as bouncy as he used to be but to even still be able to bounce like this without significant injury is something
I read Tim's Book, he said he was doing the phases which are mentioned in his book.
What’s the name of the book?
@@letsgetit90 Jump Attack is the name
Bro there's so much footage of Dame working out on his trainers IG (cemconditioning) and his as well. But it looks so weird, like stuff we've never seen before. There's stuff he's doing with bands, wobbly sticks and cables and what not. Could you explain what he could possibly be doing and what purpose it might serve. Because it definitely seems to work 😂
I can’t find that ig
@@KillasStayFly try cemcondition83
might have to 👀
@@pjfperformance that'd be dope
I’d guess it’s fit balance, coordination, and to strengthen his core.
Bruh these nba trainers today wouldn't even exist without MJ and Tim
But they would because of injuries and other sports having personal trainers I get what ur saying tho
I owned Grover's workout book that he published not long after that. It was very fundamental to compound lower body movements. Squats, lunges, jump rope, etc. It would still hold up today imo.
There's a video of Tim Grover explaining how he focused primarily on eccentric lower body exercises for MJ (or maybe it was with Kobe. I know he had bad knees too). I remember Grover mentioning they loaded up a leg press, and did NOT let Kobe/MJ do the concentric, only the eccentric. The trainers would all have to work together to push the leg press back up 😆.
Here's the video. It's actually about what Grover had Kobe do. Very similar to your philosophy. I recommend watching the whole vid but you can start it around 5:50 to hear about the eccentric training they used. I'm sure it was similar to what he had MJ do. czcams.com/video/YG6ZU-Azttc/video.html
React about kyrie's workouts! Next
Yes! And that balancing thing that looks unreal
That wasnt real..right?
I have no idea
@@aurelie5445 i don't think that was real... I'm talking about his General workouts.. They're always so crafty and he also trained with micah for sometime those workouts were insane too
Yessss
Great video.
Man , u gonna upload or nah ?
Atleast a community post why u are not uploading is appreciated .
@@user-zk4dv2nx8k Yup. Big things coming. And you’re right - I’ll do that.
@@NathanaelMorton Yeah，I miss you so much coach. I'm the one that dm you by using Instagram about maybe one week ago.
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React to Steph curry’s workouts next!
might have to!
He’s skinny lmao
@@otfaj6962 curry is well built not skinny
@@pjfperformance please do I wanna see how he gets so strong
@@otfaj6962 he’s skinny but there’s reports of him deadlifting at minimum 405 with ease and being as strong as or stronger than andrew bogut and mareisse speights. his core stability and strength as well as his lower body strength have to be elite to take contact and also contort his body in the air the way he can, let alone consistently shoot 30+ footers and not tax his legs to an overwhelming degree. gimme a break
Best for upper body b ball training imo...
Light weight + fast high reps = speed & strength without bulking.
Agree
what about heavy weight + fast low reps + plyos = power & speed without bulking.
Old School Training is always good ! Great Video
Great video Paul! It's fun to watch these old footages. Tall people can look goofy lifting weights because of their long limbs but they gotta put the work in if they need the size. Bosu ball won't build muscle 💪
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Bosu ball's not to build muscle, it's for muscular balance. Try lifting on a Bosu ball and you will know exactly what's the weak link in that chain of muscles, and which side is stronger. You then keep exercising on the Bosu ball until it's completely steady, which let's you know those imbalances are being corrected.
Can you review Tim Grover's book "Jump Attack" which explains the workouts Kobe,Jordan and the players he trained did.Great video as always💯🔥
Should do a K.D./Giannis early career workout breakdown. Similar somatotype coming into the league, yet Giannis's transformation seemed more definitive.
Gianni's just has better muscle building genetics
Yo Paul I think you should make a program called “The Upper Body Code” and it would be a 3 months upper body only program and it gave a bunch of gems on how to train upper body for basketball
Or football
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@@pjfperformance 😳
@@pjfperformance yessir
There was a clip in the last dance where MJ did some squats even before games
fr? which episode
Lovely old Cybex machines, still works today :) Great breakdown. Sure a little arm iso make players look more intimidating. Guys like Karl Malone, Alonzo Mourning and even Andre Iguodala had quite big arms, not just big shoulders, which most NBA players seem to have. Steve Hess, former strength and conditioning coach of the Denver Nuggets, commented a few years ago that he thought that players had started using a little bit too much fancy core stuff instead of just plain old school weight lifting - to a point where it didn't help them. His thoughts of a potential ego trap for trainers was, that if they tried to come up with overly creative and fancy looking stuff in order to make themselves look more intelligent, it could backfire. I honestly made that mistake at a personal trainer myself and that's been a valuable lesson. Any, would be cool to react to Dwight Howards workouts form around 2010 with his former trainer, Brian Meyer. They are On Stack's YT page.
What do you think about Tim Grover saying that all this resistance band work everyone is doing nowadays is actually hurting players instead of helping them?
Where did he say that
React to “a day in the life of Giannis Antetakounpo”
Tim has written a book "jump attack". What do you think about that book?
Use it.
Man your videos are really awesome and educational thanks😁
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Great vid! On phase 10 of the Vert Code!
Yes it is a great video
Hey Paul! Recently I’ve been having some pain on the bottom, outside part of my foot. I’ve noticed other athletes also have similar foot pain and was wondering if you could make a video on your channel explaining this and how to fix it.
I have a print off workout upper and lower body of Tim Grover’s and MJ 23 Weight Training
Chicago Bulls Lift Weights on Game Day (1991.02.23) react to this please
Do Wilt Chamberlain. Is he myth, legend or demigod.
Demigod
Son of god
Yet it was still better for his athletic metrics according to all parties. He did a full body weight sequence in every weight session, or split them between workouts. They never approached it as power lifting, but more as a global decompression set that got every major muscle group going; sort of like a resistance stretching set with body weight mixed in would do. And understand: MJ was a seriously big-boned dude who happened to be in a sport that burns fat alike nothing and loads muscles all day for high-rep, low weight, and high ROM response. If he had ever slowed down and just lifted weights, he'd have been a monster.
You may wanna take a look at the book jump attack: by Tim Grover. There is a lower body work out. Which apparently was the one that MJ used to do.
If you train like MJ did you don’t lose athleticism...once he realized that he went nuts training that way....medium weight high reps
I heard that Bench Press is for athleticism too. Boxers usually use Bench Press low reps high weight
How else do you add bulk without weights?
@pjfperformance would you be able to get Tim Grover on the podcast would love to see him on your podcast wold be amazing all the Jordan questions he would be able to answer 🔥
They worked only on is upper body… heard him say that a couple of times in interviews
I’ve always wondered why Mike only did partial extension on some of his lifts. Like, on barbell bench and lat pulldown he goes full but dumbbell bench and shoulder press he seems to only go partial extension. 🤔
I just finish The Last Dance and saw someone using a safety squat bar and all this time I thought that was something that was just invented.
Really?! I rarely ever see safety squat bars in a gym and I've never actually used one until 2019. I have one for my personal home gym, but I almost never see them at commcial gyms. They're quite uncommon in the wild.
coach can we get the upper body training video 🙇♂️👍👍
React to how Derrick Rose kept on getting injured + his mvp highlights
Theres a video series called "Attention to Detail" that covers it about as well as you can. It was basically hit mechanics, bad habits, and a lack of treatment.
Thanx coach
yessir! 🙏🙏
Tim Grover was his trainer. One of the best in the business.
Tim Glover for the podcast!!! WE NEED THAT
would be a good one for sure!
React to Isaiah Rivera’s vertical transformation video
If paul coached jordan he would've had a 50 plus vert no🧢
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His vertical was like 48 already at his peak lol
@@mrniz461 3 inches is a lot at that stage of one's vertical.. Because as we gain vert and get up to higher 40s gaining even an inch is close to impossible.. Ig you agree with this too
@@mrniz461 secondly jordan had a 45-46 inch vert
It was 48.
react to LeBron's lower body workouts.. that viral squat form looked horrendous to me
He's talking about it before. He says Lebron's body isn't built for squatting deep
It's called a quarter squats and those and half squats have been proven to be much better for vertical than full depth squats.
React to De'Aaron Fox, he got a video or 2 on his channel and official Kings channel showing him working out. He, from what I can see, is the fastest player in the NBA right now and definitely would like to get insight on the how.
Can u make a video for the greek freak and his evolution in his body and his changes in style of playing through the years
Hello sir, how are you?
As you probably saw, some NBA players are fasting (for Ramadan) and playing at the same time which is incredible and you got to give them respect.
What do you think about NBA players who fast and can that have some side (negative) effects? Can that be really bad for muscles, growth hormone and joints, tendons, or it can help? Don't forget how good was Hakeem during that period.
Thanks Paul, you da man!!🏐🏀
appreciate you !!
Who says that weight training reduces athleticism????
Bruce Lee would beg to differ.
There’s a stark difference between weight training and weight lifting. Using weights to be more efficient and powerful and using weights to be just stronger.
I feel like pure raw compound movements are best for all athletes, they don't give you too much size to hinder your movements, instead, it gives you raw strength, explosiveness, and a strong foundation for longevity for the athlete, and they can always get size with volume and isolation movements. (I hope more NBA players do more squats, DEADLIFTS, bench, overhead press, bar bent over row and so much more. Just lifting pure iron for muscles instead of all the weird "modern" movements with resistance bands, It's proven that the iron lifting prevents injuries too!! but that's just my opinion
Tim Grover has lower body footage with Dwayne Aade
wanna see analysis about mahmoud abdul rauf aka chris jackson. 165 lbs still get that nba level of defense. Hes like kyrie keep fasting for religion reason but still playing nice at big3 around his 50s
Hey pjf I use your vert code and not only has my athleticism gone up but so has my explosiveness for MMA. My fight is on CZcams under streetbeefs Scrapyard and my name is meta WP on it. I won my mma fight and my takedowns feel so strong partly cause of your program thanks. Can’t wait for my first dunk also
Granted I'm not expecting you to be a bench press expert and yes in theory dumbbells are better like you said but in practice barbell tends to be the one that packs on maybe 2-3x the strength and muscle, so dumbbells need to stay supplementary at all times as it's hard to make good gains with dumbbels, much harder, much much harder it cannot be a main lift if you want to build bench just my experience
can you do an upper body workout video in the weight room ?
MJ is the GOAT!
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bro make a workout routine for ballers please for athleticism and strength
There's only some pool work and force therapy with his foot when he broke it. It's on Come fly with me.
In the last dance they said he was doing some squats
Please react to Kyrie's workout sir
I'm convinced by how efficiently Michael moved that he also did more functional exercises with Tim, but they didn't record it so that the competition wouldn't see.
Can u do a full defensive footwork workout ?
Do you've any Shawn Kemp's workout videos?
for me was an insane player!,Thank you so much!!
We'll have to look! Kemp was different!
Shawn just played ball, his athleticism was natural.
Can you do vid about back injuries
Noti Gang👋
Paul, can you react to Kickgenius's athleticism? They just made a comeback. Tre and Jay said it themselves that their athleticism was decreased after they add a lot of muscle to their body. You can see that Tre and Jay was faster and jump higher in the early days compared to now. I'm curious about your opinion on this 🙏🏻
Man mj has a long way to go on any upper body press 😂. A trained eye can see how much he transformed his body 91’ and on
waiting for the next vlog
we got some things planned that's for sure!
What kind of core workout he dose and how many sets and reps .!?
please do brandon ingram because even he’s skinny he’s still strong
React to Bo Jackson’s athleticism
Seriously!! I’ve heard at his house he would have brand new weight equipment and he never used them. I’d love to hear how he got that crazy farmer strength because freak genetics will only get you so far!!!
there's ton of dame workout film out there
on his channel
Help guys! How to build muscle and strength without losing your shot and speed?
What is front rows for sholders ?
Don't forget the Knicks used to bully him and Scott too. The refs started protecting Mike later though. If you breathed too close to him you would get hit with a foul.
So why do you dislike bench press? Does it cause injuries more than flat dumbbell press or is it just not as effective?
Jordan’s lifting made him like marble. You can tell it made him a little more rigid than when he was young, but no players today have his level of strength and conditioning in the playoffs.
LeBron?? Duncan?? You fr right now lmao
@@deez9805 lebron obviously bigger and stronger but no where near the conditioning of MJ. Duncan is strong like a tree and has great conditioning for a big man but not explosive like Jordan. Neither have the muscle tone of MJ, that’s a fact.
@@Peter-tg9zv bro wtf are you talking about? Muscle tone has nothing to do with durability and if you actually think MJ looks more jacked then LeBron idk what to tell you there lmao. Aside from that, bigger players are supposed to break down faster if they are running, jumping, and taking on bumps like MJ was. Duncan and LeBron both played against bigger players, more playoff games (by a lot), and they didn’t have 2.5 seasons of breaks from basketball style activities to preserve their body. If MJ was so jacked and durable, he would’ve looked and moved like he was 28 when he was 38 on the wizards. Man had one meniscus tear, came back and didn’t even have his first step anymore. It’s dudes 33+ breaking hips, tearing ACLs and shit coming back faster. MJ set the blueprint for new age training for basketball athletes but he is nowhere close to the standard. There’s no evidence to support it bc he was still injured. He played through them similarly to Kobe where as guys like Bron, KD, Duncan, Stockton actually did not get injured and don’t have any really bad injuries they have to play through every season.
@@deez9805 CZcams “Michael Jordan joking with Patrick Ewing” and tell me Lebron was ever that lean after his 19th birthday. Yes Lebron is the biggest freak ever and has never been injured but he also sits TONS of games every year. Jordan and Kobe never did that. Jordan’s muscle tone AKA no body fat allowed him to maintain energy in the finals whereas Lebron always runs out of gas. Lebron got really lean one year for the finals (2018) and he had more energy but it wasn’t enough. No doubt Lebron could lift and get way more jacked than Jordan. He’s got a way bigger frame.
Wassup coach!
whats good Martin!!
AD needs to be calling him
Disregard the video, I have a question. I’ve been implementing kettlebells into my leg training to see if it will increase my vert and it has tremendously. Before I was doing to same thing trying to squat more weight each and every single time and didn’t see much results. Why is this?
He wrote a book. Jump Attack. Check it out and come back with a better video
A bench press dose make sens
Curry’s next please
on juice everything works
You should react to Zach lavigne’s workput
Do you guys do summer internships in Anaheim I would love to go
Looks like he needs to bring those dumbbells lower on the db bench. Maybe he’s got a shoulder issue?
Please do Jimmy buckets 😭
Do Damian Lillard's workout! Should boxing help more like he does?
I play QB in football (might need to play WR next junior year but senior year I’ll play qb) and I want to be more athletic, but still strong enough to break tackles. I need to get faster and more explosive. Just finished speed code. Should I do vert code? Or will that not help me as much with, say, breaking tackles and everything else in football too? I’ve seen reviews saying the vert code is great for overall quickness and speed to, but can anyone here (or Paul the 🐐) give their input? Thanks!
Look at garage strength CZcams channel. Tons of good videos
VC can still help with your explosiveness in all planes of movement!