i agree ,,,,,she was my fave as a kid and we had a poster of her in the gym next to to emergency exit door ,,,lol...i remember also we had one of cathy rigby if if i am not mstkn....
Nadia Comaneci considered Ludmila to be her hero and idol. Nadia always says in interviews that she wonders why the media overhyped Olga in 1972 when Ludmila was the actual all-around gold medalist haha. Olga was only the #4 best Soviet in the all-around in 1972 yet everyone keeps overhyping her to the present day. Later Ludmila actually performed well as a 23 year old in 1976 while Olga faded and crashed hard in comparison with a poor 1976 Olympics showing. Ludmila was also winning a gold medal in 1968! It is lovely to hear Nadia always calling Ludmila her favorite gymnast and the one who inspired her while training that led to 1976. It is why the photos of Ludmila hugging and kissing Nadia are very significant. Ludmila is Nadia's idol.
@@nogoodnameleft I've wondered the same thing and think it was the media in the West which elevated Olga ahead of Ludmilla. Two possible reasons for this IMO, Olga had tricks and cheekily played to the crowd which gained the media's attention, or fed the media with what they wanted to see. Ludmilla, by contrast scored the points needed for victory while maintaining that serene persona she was famous for. Ludmilla is still my favourite, clearly the judges got it right.
@@kenhorlor5674I love Ludmilla. Beautiful woman, also, and she looked mature and graceful her whole career. Olga looked like she was too young and a brat.
I was 9 at the time of this video, watching the incredible ABC coverage of the '72 Olympics. It was the height of the Cold War and the Soviets were the enemy, but Tourischeva was pure class and everyone knew it.
@@saragrant9749Today’s gymnasts look like suma wrestlers. Nothing but thick bulk. Some are actually fat. I would rather watch the stick figures, as you call them
@@MicheleEllis-pj1dq and that is exactly why gymnastics still has issues with gymnasts who have eating disorders, body image problems and so on. It’s because of PIGS like you that only judge how they look instead of how they can perform their craft. Please don’t ever have any children as you are not worthy of the privilege. If you do, I pity them. Hopefully you see all the ugliness, the deep disgusting darkness, the inhumanity, the putrid and mundane ignorance you yourself possess. When the world ceases to have worthless people like you present it will start to become a better place.
Tourischeva is an interesting gymnast to talk about since she was in gymnastics when the standards for the apparatuses changed. Look at the uneven bars her first year at the Olympics. They were basically the same as mens parallel bars but one was pitched higher. By 1972 the diameter of the uneven bars had become smaller making for an easier grip and were set further apart, allowing for more swing elements. I wonder what the transition was like for her
She was and IS a beautiful lady!! Graceful, talented...she could have been a Hollywood starlet if she wanted and/or had the opportunity...I've learned to appreciate her more over the last year or so thanks to youtube in watching her performances. I only remember her vaguely in the 72 Games and not in 1968.
I believe that if Ludmilla would have been an American or if she had defected and came over to the US, she could have had acting and modeling opportunities.
From what I know of the "backstage" goings-on of the Soviet program--she'd have been under a fair amount of pressure as the top athlete to be also to be a role model for the other athletes.
She was 20 years old at the time--geriatric by today's standards. But she looks so much better than the artificially prepubescent ones. She looks and moves like a real woman, with a maturity the others don't have.
The geriatric comment is not true at all. Gymnasts today are older than they've ever been since the 1968 Olympics. The median age at the 2020/21 Olympics was 21 - there were more women 20+ than there were teenagers. The last Olympics where that happened was the 1968 Games. Several teams in Tokyo had no teenagers, the US team was all 18+ and then you have the completely amazing Oksana Chusovitina who was competing in her 8th Olympics at 46. Women (in America) are starting to go compete at college and then come back and do elite international competition, which never happened before. You must not have watched gymnastics in a long time if you think it's common for gymnasts to be prepubescent (artificially or otherwise).
@@AdeleiTeillanaThe word "median" does *not* mean "average". The correct word is "mean". The median in a data set is the data point above and below which are an equal number of data points.
@@Bob31415 Thank you for the math lesson. I suggest you try to find some lessons on how to socialize as a human since you're so interested in education (and your education in that area of life is obviously lacking.) Nothing I said indicates that I meant "average" or "mean" age. I meant median which is exactly what I said. Whether you just struggle with reading comprehension, or don't realize that it's perfectly possible to have a median of 21+ while still having more women over *20* than under, I can't say. NBC put out an article titled "Olympic women's gymnastics median age in 20s for first time in decades" though they were by no means the only news source reporting on it (oh, I'm sorry, I used "mean" in a different sense in that sentence than the mathematical term, are you going to be able to understand that?) I did not collect the numbers myself nor am I going to waste my time doing so, but if you want to collect them all and determine that NBC used the wrong word, take it to them, not me.
What! I didn't know until this that they have a live piano back then to accompany their floor routines. But kudos to the pianist not making any mistakes.
It is not russian, it is a German song called: In der Nacht ist der Mensch nicht gern alleine, sung most famously be Marika Rökk in 1944. you should find the sheet music at www.alle-noten.de , for example
At least today one country doesn’t have absolute control of the judging. At least today you can’t cheat your way to gold medals that way. And today’s gymnasts look like ATHLETES, not starved little stick figures.
@@yasminbarry7941 mendicant is the proper term for self centered people like you. No one cares what you think, you are just a small piece of rubbish in a large world.
Considering that it was being performed on a dead floor. Even collegiate cheerleaders aren't allowed to perform double fulls whereas for all-star cheerleaders that is the maximum they can do (and their floors are sprung).
Don’t watch then. Today’s ATHLETES are more fun to watch then the starved, physically and psychologically abused little girls of that era. If you want this type of thing try RHYTHMIC GYMNASTICS.
The commentator treating as robots say “the judges overscored.. you can see she missed the..” utterly oblivious to her artistry and impeccably syncopation to music during final complex of flips. If only judges today also had such taste and education.
Well, the difference today is the judges do their job based on performance, rather than country of origin. Back then the Soviets had the judges in their pockets- a PROVEN FACT. If you think you are such an expert on judging, how about getting off your duff and doing the job!! Otherwise you’re nothing but a hypocrite.
well it was a choice between gymnastics being considered seriously as a sport versus being a curiosity or a dance form. this gymnastics level is grade-school level today, it's so simplistic.
There's dance forms in the Olympic Winter Sports and music in women's gymnastic floor exercises. Don't get rid of grace and musicality just because there's a lot more complicated routines now. Room for every aspect and everyone.
She did win the most important event though, the all-around. Overrated Olga was the #4 Soviet in the all-around. Olga sucked in all-around in 1972 and 1976.
Its so strange seeing the difference between modern and old performances. She is still so impressive though! Amazing. The piano is so good but do they allow for their mistakes! Not that she made beyond other than was pointed out.
It's a big opener. It's a double twister! I find it funny how double twists were huge back then but now they aren't even used anymore. LOL. Big opener😂
How was Olga #2? She was the 4th best Soviet in the all-around!!! Olga is so overrated. She never won a bronze medal in the 1972 or 1976 all-arounds!!! Olga's balance beam routine in the Olympics was so mediocre compared to Nadia and it was not any better than Ludmila's. I am so happy Ludmila won the gold in all-around in 1972. And I am even more happy that Olga never got a perfect 10.
And US people want to try to put Simone Biles as the best of all times. Yes she is amazing but no chance she is better than Nadia Comaneci, Olga Korbut or Elena Mukhina.
She IS better because she is competing at a time where one country had complete control of the judging like the Soviets did. Many gold medals would have gone to other athletes had they not been required to underscore those countries and give golds to the Soviet Union. Simone competes in an atmosphere of EQUALITY.
@@saragrant9749 No, Simone did not compete on equality, often the Americans only win because they are from the United States, an example is Simone herself and her bronze in 2016 over br saraiva
Robbed of the gold on this event. After the reaction when Korbut didnt win bars the judges decided they had to give her the beam and floor golds to avoid a rampage. Beam was maybe right, but not floor.
gordon she didnt "miss the trick ".....she got ample height completed the somersault and landed short bc shes not tumbling on a spring floor or floor system,,she;s tumbling on carpet and wood most likely....
Até 1976 houve música ao vivo para séries opcionais e obrigatórias, apenas em 1979 foi permitido seleções musicais orquestrais nos opcionais, e em 1989 apenas músicas gravadas eram eram utilizadas.
![Olga Korbut Reflects On Munich 1972 Olympic Games [ 2022 ]🥇](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/onOgakokQB8/mqdefault.jpg)
She is so elegant and graceful! She incredibly tells a story through her fluid moves and choreography in which nowadays are very rare to see.
i agree ,,,,,she was my fave as a kid and we had a poster of her in the gym next to to emergency exit door ,,,lol...i remember also we had one of cathy rigby if if i am not mstkn....
Ludmilla tenía mucha clase.
Nadia Comaneci considered Ludmila to be her hero and idol. Nadia always says in interviews that she wonders why the media overhyped Olga in 1972 when Ludmila was the actual all-around gold medalist haha. Olga was only the #4 best Soviet in the all-around in 1972 yet everyone keeps overhyping her to the present day. Later Ludmila actually performed well as a 23 year old in 1976 while Olga faded and crashed hard in comparison with a poor 1976 Olympics showing. Ludmila was also winning a gold medal in 1968!
It is lovely to hear Nadia always calling Ludmila her favorite gymnast and the one who inspired her while training that led to 1976. It is why the photos of Ludmila hugging and kissing Nadia are very significant. Ludmila is Nadia's idol.
@@nogoodnameleft I've wondered the same thing and think it was the media in the West which elevated Olga ahead of Ludmilla. Two possible reasons for this IMO, Olga had tricks and cheekily played to the crowd which gained the media's attention, or fed the media with what they wanted to see. Ludmilla, by contrast scored the points needed for victory while maintaining that serene persona she was famous for. Ludmilla is still my favourite, clearly the judges got it right.
@@kenhorlor5674I love Ludmilla. Beautiful woman, also, and she looked mature and graceful her whole career. Olga looked like she was too young and a brat.
I was 9 at the time of this video, watching the incredible ABC coverage of the '72 Olympics. It was the height of the Cold War and the Soviets were the enemy, but Tourischeva was pure class and everyone knew it.
She was so beautiful, wasn't she? Like a prima ballerina.
Ludmilla pure class? She was heavy overscored and I don't know why she got half her medals.
Eimeara Stapleton envy...
You were a victim of western, fascist propaganda.
@@CekTopGaZa1988 Hardly. I envied Korbut
She was very focus but very gracious. She congratulated a rival on her gold medal before she even accepted hers.
Gymnasts back then were so beautiful and elegant. Each one was so different and unique. Their performances were quite memorable.
They are beautiful today as well. It’s just that today they actually look like athletes rather than starved stick figures.
@@saragrant9749Today’s gymnasts look like suma wrestlers. Nothing but thick bulk. Some are actually fat. I would rather watch the stick figures, as you call them
@@MicheleEllis-pj1dq and that is exactly why gymnastics still has issues with gymnasts who have eating disorders, body image problems and so on. It’s because of PIGS like you that only judge how they look instead of how they can perform their craft. Please don’t ever have any children as you are not worthy of the privilege. If you do, I pity them. Hopefully you see all the ugliness, the deep disgusting darkness, the inhumanity, the putrid and mundane ignorance you yourself possess. When the world ceases to have worthless people like you present it will start to become a better place.
So strange. She was so serious and icy. Then when she smiled -very rare-she lit up like the sun!
It wasnt strange. Russians and in this case for Lyuda, Ukrainian’s only smile when they feel joy and happiness. If they dont, whats the point.
People were more natural. No fake, unnecesary smile. That was everywhere, not only russians. Look at old photos and you will see.
She was Russian or something like that, so what did you expect? Lol!
There was such a calmness and fluidity about her - very soothing to watch
Such grace beauty and elegance I don't think that we will ever see such artistic gymnastics performances ever lolx 😀❤😀
Tourischeva is an interesting gymnast to talk about since she was in gymnastics when the standards for the apparatuses changed. Look at the uneven bars her first year at the Olympics. They were basically the same as mens parallel bars but one was pitched higher. By 1972 the diameter of the uneven bars had become smaller making for an easier grip and were set further apart, allowing for more swing elements. I wonder what the transition was like for her
Possibly the most beautiful young woman to ever grace a gymnasium
She looked womanly.
Damn. That floor is hard as hell. Literally almost no bounce
My fav gymnast of all time. Pure elegance and grace.
No spung floor back in the day which to my mind makes the tumbles so much more impressive. They are practically performing on a trampoline today.
She was and IS a beautiful lady!! Graceful, talented...she could have been a Hollywood starlet if she wanted and/or had the opportunity...I've learned to appreciate her more over the last year or so thanks to youtube in watching her performances. I only remember her vaguely in the 72 Games and not in 1968.
I believe that if Ludmilla would have been an American or if she had defected and came over to the US, she could have had acting and modeling opportunities.
This was very impressive for 1972!!!
So pretty and lady-like. And always so lonely looking. I loved to watch her.
She seemed sad and lonely probably never had a real life at that point.
The most beautiful gymnast of all time... well... to me.
From what I know of the "backstage" goings-on of the Soviet program--she'd have been under a fair amount of pressure as the top athlete to be also to be a role model for the other athletes.
She was gorgeous !
The most beautiful gymnast ever. As a 14 year old watching her at the '76 Olympics I couldn't take my eyes off of her.
I had forgotten that the music was live back then. Also, before the days of spring-loaded floors, I believe?
So beautiful, both the woman and her performance.
She was always my favourite :)
WHAAATTT??? BACK THEN THEY PLAYED IN A REAL PIANO THE SONGS?!
Yes! I believe each team brought their own pianist. Pre recorded instrumental compositions with more than piano were allowed in 1979
Yes, the Olympics at the time wouldn't even allow songs (with lyrics) - it had to be exclusively music. Not sure about nowadays.
@@kras118 Yes each team had their own accompanist that practiced exclusively with each girl to get to know the nuances of their performance.
This routine was more difficult than Olgas' but she failed on second pass. Olga routine was almost perfect. That was the difference.
She was 20 years old at the time--geriatric by today's standards. But she looks so much better than the artificially prepubescent ones. She looks and moves like a real woman, with a maturity the others don't have.
The geriatric comment is not true at all. Gymnasts today are older than they've ever been since the 1968 Olympics. The median age at the 2020/21 Olympics was 21 - there were more women 20+ than there were teenagers. The last Olympics where that happened was the 1968 Games. Several teams in Tokyo had no teenagers, the US team was all 18+ and then you have the completely amazing Oksana Chusovitina who was competing in her 8th Olympics at 46. Women (in America) are starting to go compete at college and then come back and do elite international competition, which never happened before. You must not have watched gymnastics in a long time if you think it's common for gymnasts to be prepubescent (artificially or otherwise).
@@AdeleiTeillanaThe word "median" does *not* mean "average". The correct word is "mean". The median in a data set is the data point above and below which are an equal number of data points.
@@Bob31415 Thank you for the math lesson. I suggest you try to find some lessons on how to socialize as a human since you're so interested in education (and your education in that area of life is obviously lacking.) Nothing I said indicates that I meant "average" or "mean" age. I meant median which is exactly what I said. Whether you just struggle with reading comprehension, or don't realize that it's perfectly possible to have a median of 21+ while still having more women over *20* than under, I can't say. NBC put out an article titled "Olympic women's gymnastics median age in 20s for first time in decades" though they were by no means the only news source reporting on it (oh, I'm sorry, I used "mean" in a different sense in that sentence than the mathematical term, are you going to be able to understand that?) I did not collect the numbers myself nor am I going to waste my time doing so, but if you want to collect them all and determine that NBC used the wrong word, take it to them, not me.
What! I didn't know until this that they have a live piano back then to accompany their floor routines. But kudos to the pianist not making any mistakes.
back then a gymnast could only have piano accompaniment i miss that acutally
She was always balletic and graceful
I was 11 in 1972. I fell in love ❤️ with her.
You know that feeling of defeat when you know you will never find something? That's me with the sheet music for her floor song. I wanna play it so bad
Stef Nicole Mills it’s a Soviet song, can’t put my finger on it...
@stef check 2 comments below
@@211jump it Is not a soviet Song, bit It Is a movie soundtrack
It is not russian, it is a German song called: In der Nacht ist der Mensch nicht gern alleine, sung most famously be Marika Rökk in 1944. you should find the sheet music at www.alle-noten.de , for example
L'eleganza! ❤️
Beautiful and it's like watching ballet in comparison to today's brutish gymnasts.
Right! Now it's all about spins & power. No grace or elegance
At least today one country doesn’t have absolute control of the judging. At least today you can’t cheat your way to gold medals that way. And today’s gymnasts look like ATHLETES, not starved little stick figures.
Brutish is the real word (talking about today's gymnastics).
@@yasminbarry7941 mendicant is the proper term for self centered people like you. No one cares what you think, you are just a small piece of rubbish in a large world.
Exactly. Bricklayers doing backflips.
Мы смотрели Легенду... Не подозревая об этом...👍👍👍
As ginastas de antigamente tinham força e graça,hoje só têm força..
Today they are ATHLETES- not starved little girls forced to be unhealthily skinny- that’s the difference.
I love how a double twist was considered huge back then
Considering that it was being performed on a dead floor. Even collegiate cheerleaders aren't allowed to perform double fulls whereas for all-star cheerleaders that is the maximum they can do (and their floors are sprung).
There was a woman playing the piano!
I KNOW! I never realized this until about a year ago! 😂
Big deal
@@SamsungS23Ultr big enough for you to take the time to reply . 😂 hope you have a better day.
@@dylanthepickle6428 yeah. I'm wondering why it is a big deal.
@@dylanthepickle6428 It´s funny and nice! 😊
Un tipo de gimnasia más artística la de antes, a mi me parece más bonita, ahora es muy acrobática.
Yo tenía 3años de edad por lo cual no recuerdo esas olimpiadas, pero observé que tenían piano qué maravilloso!!
She is so pretty!
Wow this was almost 50 years ago
Where is she now ? Ludmilla ?
@@rebeccamartinez2739 In Canada
Tourischeva foi uma verdadeira estrela!
A música era tocada ao vivo durante a apresentação.
Sim, até 1976 em ambas as séries (opcional e obrigatória) e até 1988 nas séries obrigatórias.
beautiful gymnast
Today's "gymnastics" are just so sad to watch.
I know right
They’re dull and boring and they all look the same
And I doubt no one has a live pianist anymore. Class.
Don’t watch then. Today’s ATHLETES are more fun to watch then the starved, physically and psychologically abused little girls of that era. If you want this type of thing try RHYTHMIC GYMNASTICS.
Era muito formosa, elegante, alta...
Loved her style
a name never forgotten....xxxx
She was an amazing gymnast, but always came across as icy cool, I thought!
Wunderlich!!!!
The commentator treating as robots say “the judges overscored.. you can see she missed the..” utterly oblivious to her artistry and impeccably syncopation to music during final complex of flips. If only judges today also had such taste and education.
Well, the difference today is the judges do their job based on performance, rather than country of origin. Back then the Soviets had the judges in their pockets- a PROVEN FACT. If you think you are such an expert on judging, how about getting off your duff and doing the job!! Otherwise you’re nothing but a hypocrite.
So regal.
Curioso: Olga Korbut fue la estrella de la gimnasia en los juegos de Munic y eclipsó a Ludmilla Tourischeva que fue quien ganó la competición general.
What is the song the accompanist is playing???
it's the German song: In der Nacht ist der Mensch nicht gern alleine
So pretty and feminine. Not like these boxy growth-stunted super-muscular gymnasts of today
Ash Street Traveler it's my perception too,very elegant and beautiful movements nothing of today gimnastics
Yeah. It's sad we'll never get this back 😔
well it was a choice between gymnastics being considered seriously as a sport versus being a curiosity or a dance form. this gymnastics level is grade-school level today, it's so simplistic.
There's dance forms in the Olympic Winter Sports and music in women's gymnastic floor exercises. Don't get rid of grace and musicality just because there's a lot more complicated routines now. Room for every aspect and everyone.
@@darkale658 Athleticism v dance isn't why gymnastics is a sport; sports are sports because of their formats.
♥️♥️👏
No mames qué perfecta
i do miss the artistry and dance of the old gymastics today its all about power but the girls dont have the gracefulness anymore
Ludmila seemed to be tired at the end of the long competition.
That's pressure, she was USSR's top gymnast and was expected (not hoped) to win.
Gee, I wonder why
She did win the most important event though, the all-around. Overrated Olga was the #4 Soviet in the all-around. Olga sucked in all-around in 1972 and 1976.
@@nogoodnameleft Back then they did team compulsories, team optionals, all around, and event finals in four successive days - that was quite a lot.
Me gusta la gimnasia de los 70 mucho más que la actual. Entonces si era gimnasia artística.
Its so strange seeing the difference between modern and old performances. She is still so impressive though! Amazing. The piano is so good but do they allow for their mistakes! Not that she made beyond other than was pointed out.
It's a big opener. It's a double twister! I find it funny how double twists were huge back then but now they aren't even used anymore. LOL. Big opener😂
Back then there was no "spring" in the floor..now it's like a trampoline! lol!
In general tho, the difficulty in gymnastics has gone way down
A double back then was a 'WOW"
The floor was a carpet back then. Now it might as well be a trampoline.
@D D I want to see 'anyone' doing a simple flip with good execution on that floor lol
Shes "The Grace"!!!
Rated the #1 Soviet gymnast at the time.
Completely overshadowed by Olga Korbut, her #2.
How was Olga #2? She was the 4th best Soviet in the all-around!!! Olga is so overrated. She never won a bronze medal in the 1972 or 1976 all-arounds!!! Olga's balance beam routine in the Olympics was so mediocre compared to Nadia and it was not any better than Ludmila's. I am so happy Ludmila won the gold in all-around in 1972. And I am even more happy that Olga never got a perfect 10.
so pretty
My first crush ❤
They did more dancing on the floor then, which was nice, now they do more tumbling.
eu pensei que era a MC Ludmila não essa besterou
A graceful, beautiful young woman--not the masculine, overmuscled freaks you have to be to win today.
beaty
And US people want to try to put Simone Biles as the best of all times. Yes she is amazing but no chance she is better than Nadia Comaneci, Olga Korbut or Elena Mukhina.
She IS better because she is competing at a time where one country had complete control of the judging like the Soviets did. Many gold medals would have gone to other athletes had they not been required to underscore those countries and give golds to the Soviet Union. Simone competes in an atmosphere of EQUALITY.
@@saragrant9749 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
@@marwahussein666 I can’t help it if you don’t like reality.
@@saragrant9749 No, Simone did not compete on equality, often the Americans only win because they are from the United States, an example is Simone herself and her bronze in 2016 over br saraiva
my dream wife
She's better than Nadia and Olga.
I agree she was better
Better than Nadia? Oh please. Hardly.
Mts Pz Teodora Ungureanu was underscore. She got 9.75 and her routine was clearly better than hers
On floor and vault? Absolutely. On beam and bars? No, not really.
What??????????Obviously you are not an expert in gymnastics👎👎👎👎👎
The tumbling was slowwww compared to now.
Almost fifty years ago and still beautiful 💗
No springs on the floor is the reason.
Robbed of the gold on this event. After the reaction when Korbut didnt win bars the judges decided they had to give her the beam and floor golds to avoid a rampage. Beam was maybe right, but not floor.
roger leblond This was way more difficult.
Agree. This routine was more difficult than Olga's
@@fabianfilipponi7599 But she made a big mistake which is what the commentators were talking about.
@@grantgoffin4774 yes, she was low on second pass...
She made a significant error- or were you not paying any attention?! This was NOT gold medal material!
gordon she didnt "miss the trick ".....she got ample height completed the somersault and landed short bc shes not tumbling on a spring floor or floor system,,she;s tumbling on carpet and wood most likely....
Ростоцкий музыку подобрал для Мюнхена.))
Растороцкий
As a pianist, I would be scared to death that I would botch an Olympian's competition. Yikes!
I use to go crazy for her legs, that's when I started to like women's muscles 😊
Que larga. Creo que la gimnasia solo debe ser para pequeñines.
Ludmila doar un copil ai fată ?
У нее одна дочь. Таня, которая родила 3 сыновей. Людмила- любящая жена,мама, бабушка.
que aburrida era
Esto si es gimnasia lo de ahorita es acrobasia
Nadia is better
Это 1972. Лучше всех была Людмила.
А в 1976 идеальной была Надя.
She’s supposed to be good?
Over scored performance.
а зачем там бабища на пианино то играет? Нельзя что ли на компе включить музыку?
Até 1976 houve música ao vivo para séries opcionais e obrigatórias, apenas em 1979 foi permitido seleções musicais orquestrais nos opcionais, e em 1989 apenas músicas gravadas eram eram utilizadas.
Gymnast not a kicker!