I don’t understand why they think people want characters with constantly annoying voicelines as their way of expressing themselves when giving them THEIR OWN PERSONALITY AND CHARACTER is LITERALLY the best way to allow players to do so
I am PISSED about hero shooters especially in a title as promising as this. Playing both tarkov and destiny with equally as much time spent I know what kind of customizable options bungie is capable of and it’s a shame that is not the case for marathon
Maybe enough whining online could help them change their stance, idk, but I totally agree 😄 hopefully the visual style stays the same, is my biggest concern
@@RicToneFrl I get games like marvel rivals coming out you play as a actual superhero but I don’t wanna play some lame default character as everyone else
@@noahmkv Not only is it an ordinary ip. It's one of the oldest and most narrative driven game made by Bungie. Despite how the games play and look, the storytelling is absolutely phenomenal.
You know what would be cool? A single player campaign with memorial characters, deep lore, and layers of conspiracy on top of conspiracy. Kind of like this one trilogy of games Bungie made back in the 90s called “Marathon”.
@@moritzkorsch9029 I think you'd appreciate even just the cryptic messages contained in the original Marathon trilogy, it's more beautiful than what their games can offer now.
Yep Fuckin' hate it. Banking on the popularity that Mandalore brought to the franchise I mean - look at Homeworld 3. The entire reason it basically became a game WAS because of Mandy's videos... but we got absolute d*gshit
Man just ditch the whole multiplayer aspect entirely and just make a proper Marathon single-player game already. I cannot believe they're wasting Marathon on a trend following multiplayer game.
They could have done it as a Destiny spin-off or just a new IP entirely. Using the Marathon IP just feels like desecrating a sacred burial ground. Not only is it antithetical to the history of Marathon as a pioneer in narrative shooter. It also basically signals that there is no chance of a true sequel or remake to the original Marathon games because they wouldn't want go draw attention away from their next live service cash cow. Milk milk milk.
Extraction shooter with customization sounded cool but a “hero extraction shooter” gtfo. plus a former valo directer is replacing someone who’s been w bungie since before CE…it’s not even bungie atp. Game is officially ruined.
@@santig.2113honestly I'm pretty glad I didn't hype the game in the first place considering they never even promised a fucking campaign, but now they're dispensing a guy from the fucking MYTH 2 days and replacing him with a fucking valorant guy. I can't believe I only heard this news now how is bungie so bad at doing the bare minimum nowadays wtf
I liked it at first. The whole concept presented was cool af, playing as printed synths for megacorps scavenging the planet. Thats why this fucking sucks, making it a hero shooter instead of customized characters fucking ruins the concept. I wanted my own little synths.
Hero shooters definitely do not help with customization (because customization can only go as far as the hero’s niche allows, and it can’t overlap other heros’ niches). Plus hero shooters add another level of balance issues (not only do you have to balance the guns and gear, but now you have to balance the hero’s core abilities). This is a BAD idea all around. Chief wore a helmet for a reason, Rookie wore a helmet for a reason, Six wore a helmet for a reason.
i think one of the reasons i fell in love with tarkov is BECAUSE my guy is a nobody. like he isnt anyone important, he literally got left behind and forgotten. PLUS, the blank slate player-character is great for immersion because that blank slate essentially becomes me, which makes me want to protect him and play better.
@@SpottedHareshe’s saying that making his own character allows him to imagine himself in that character’s shoes more easily. Playing as a “hero” character means he has to essentially pilot around someone else’s vision for the character rather than his own.
I hate heroes in game nowadays, just let us make a character and customize it like we want. And if you really want to make abilities just let us chose them
I guess hero shooters are cool, but I think this game’s art style and universe would make having customizable characters incredibly cool. I personally hope they go back on this decision, but I still think this will be a good game
@@riloegaming customizing a pre-made character blows in comparison to having ur own little guy, specially in the context of this game ;-; If they made class types instead of specific heroes it would be forgivable.
@@riloegamingthe people want to customize their own character, they don't want a replacement system for that, which is rumored to be a hero roster, which is way worse in term of custimization, because it has a set identity, which the people don't want.
I'm about halfway through my first playthrough of the first marathon. Idk too too much about the lore but I know it's intense. It feels like pretty despicable spit on the face on the insane innovation, community, and story of the original marathon trilogy
The discrepancy between "Selecting from a group of heroes" and Hunt showdown, is that Hunt you still play as literal random generated 'no-bodies'. The MTX ecognizable "heroes" don't even stand out from the regular random hunters you can get from the recruit tab. What gets people worried is that "hero shooter" comes with a lot of baggage that is more than just "we removed individual character costumization for preset models." I.e. stats and abilities and perks tied to those "heroes." Even if players have a choice of choosing different ones. It is implied that play styles, equipment, abilities are tied to characters.
Of course. But if you look at the gameplay loop they’re planning for Marathon, it doesn’t seem it would work with true Hero mechanics, which is why I’m gonna HOPE that “selectable characters” is more cosmetic than anything, like Hunt’s legendaries
This games dead in the water for multiple reasons. One of the bigger ones (imo) it's taking them too long to bring anything out, I'm saying it now it's gonna be a disaster on release
I think its the idea of no customization that's got people thinking twice. If in the heroes there's some general customization it'd be an alright compromise
I can understand that sentiment but in pvp games like this that customization is kinda what people strive for in the late game it allows people to express themselves and it feels to good to have something to work towards that cant just be taken if you die it allows for a form of permanent progression that doesn't interfere with game balance
In Hunt, killing the boss is kinda like capturing the point in a different game. It's just an incentive to get players to move around the map. PVP is not extra, it is the meat of the game. Focusing on PVE and avoiding players is a valid way to play it, but completing a match without a player attacking you is a rarity. That is part of the appeal of the extraction shooter concept. When getting out alive is your objective, conflict with other players isn't always necessary. It means you can focus on sneaking around, waiting for other players to kill each other, scavenging the leftovers of a fight, or setting traps for your enemies. It's this freeform approach to strategy that makes Hunt Showdown so much fun, and it's why I'm excited at what Bungie could do with such a format. It being a hero shooter or not doesn't really impact that base structure, so I'm open to whatever they try.
Turning Marathon into either of those things is just a straight-up tragedy. Game had the best subtle and thought-provoking narrative of any game trilogy I can think of, under the guise of an early gen 3D shooter
IM SO SICK OF HERO SHOOTERS. I was super excited for this game but now I'm honestly kinda over it. We'll see when I comes out but I would have much preferred having a customizable character. I have no problem tossing a few bucks to make MY character look exactly how I want.
I just got into the finals and the character customization is literally my favorite part. Damn, hope this game isnt going to be a waste of cool world building and art styles.
I want my own character, and character customization. There are too many games gunning for "hero" shooters. Battlefield 2042 went this route too. COD went this route. It is the status quo...
Something like the finals seems like the best middle ground for something like this. The runners being replaceable and reconstructable can be enforced by making generic templates that we can customize but adding different backpacks/sizes to them to inform players of potential abilities/options they have would be a nice middle ground. Ideally no hero’s but this to me at least would be the best option if we’re forced to.
I think the reason ppl are pissed is that they were advertized your "own customizeble character not "even more hero stuff" not only does it strip away from personal expression trough customization from players, but opens doors for bad monitization, the only reason hunt showdowns heroes are not really bothersome is that they have no special perks, abilities, or direct gameplay benefits. Im personally not happy about the switch to a hero system since im very tired of the hero slop that gets forced in every game nowadays
As someone who plays a lot of hunt showdown, it still annoys me, I don’t want another hero shooter, and while yes hunt has hunters, they are not really heroes just custom models/skins for your character. Also as a halo fan, god damn that’s shame
If this is a pvp based game and not a remake or continuation original story im gonna be sad because marathon has an amazing story and there is so much potential for the marathon series as a campaign
I was already disappointed that a franchise that didn't got a new game in such a long time, got something new announced only for it to be an extraction shooter. Now my expectations for it are pretty much dead with it now being a mix of Hero Shooter (as if we needed more of those....) and Extraction shooter. Bungie really dropped the ball hard with this being a good chance to remake Marathon in the same style as Doom 2016.
I for one am quite happy they made the dev change. Whether you like it or not Valorant is an incredibly successful shooter game. Any wisdom this dev brings will only help ameliorate the gameplay experience. As for customization that is kinda a bummer.
Dear Bungie, Please leave Marathon alone. No one cares about the IP except a bunch boomers. You’ll only be hurting them when this game fails as a hero shooter
What a spit in the face the Marathon fans. Not only is their elaborate and extremely intricate story being lobotomized by corporate greed, it's being turned into a hero extraction shooter... Yikes.
Tbf this stuff looked nowhere like Marathon in the first place, and the fact that it was meant to be an extraction shooter didn't help. I couldn't care less about it.
It was a new game with a thin coat of Marathon paint on it. Most of it was far enough removed from stuff we never really encountered in the game (the factions) with a few recognisable things like the Compiler. It was always like this, they just made it obvious now.
its an extraction shooter, of course its pvp. the problem is the heroes. there will be no way theyre not generic. the nameless synths with custom gear were a much, much better idea.
Looking past the knee jerk reactionary crying. I’m reminded of Warframe, which isn’t really brought up as a hero shooter. But the Frames are the “Hero” but since they’re mass produced t’s your personal mass produced frame that you get to customize. Grated the more likely reason for this change is the new lead led Valoriant and he is just doing what is familiar.
Long time marathon fan- please, please let me read pages full of lore again. I loved it when I was six. We all still love it, rather than, “this is the new person, they can do meta breaking stuff, coz we wanted them to”. Other than that, keep Marathon as a special thing at the perfect time (postmodernist pre-millennium concept of/space/time/ai. If I hear a special payable, “frog blast the vent core” voice then Bungie will have lost me forever. Too late to the game on “hero-shooters” contemporary rainbow six has killed that. Please PLEASE, don’t kill another icon. Definitely too late into development for me to be pleading but it’s painful and I hope you’ve not ballsed up what was a great series.
Hero shooters aren't a bad thing... If it's a PvE/campaign story. Cause that Hero is the protagonist of the story who's actively involved with said story. Like John Green Man from Halo. You can even have multiple heros who can do different things. If it's PvP online. Let there be free customization, let the player decide on what abilities they want their own character to have. Give us the best of both worlds by making a fun campaign and THEN the multiplayer. Me personally, I'm tired of how multiple games have this multiplayer first mindset with added story later. Sometimes, I just wanna go it solo. Learn the story. Learn the world. Follow a character arc and have a personal experience with a game. I want something I can play without the need of the Internet or worry about lag cause my buddy Jimmy Bobby doesn't have a strong enough Internet connection.
I think we should wait until the game comes out at least in Beta form. Good AND bad hype is the problem for games nowadays. People overly dislike or dislike a game they haven't even played yet. If the game sux, absolutely don't play/buy it. But if the game rocks, absolutely play it. That's it. This is coming from someone who actually loved the original Marathon series so much it not only sparked a love for gaming in general, but fueled the beginnings of a career in I.T. I'm STILL deciding to stay neutral on this game until I actually get to play the finished product or at least the beta.
Marathon is gonna be a pvp hero shooter because the shareholders want a pvp hero shooter. It's not that hard to understand. What the consumers want doesn't matter anymore because the shareholders know that gamers are brainless cattle who will throw money at whatever trendy thing they shit out. Hope you're enjoying this reality guys, because its the future you spent your money on.
I really hope they change that. How is it that they haven’t realised that the hero shooter genre had run its course! Wait a second… it’s the children they are trying to appeal to!
I'll wait to see what they make of. Hero shooter, extraction shooter, whatever. If it is a good game with solid gameplay and a loop worth coming back I'll check it out. If it falls flat it won't be because one element wasn't quite right. Whole package matters.
Immediately lost some interest. They did this for the money. If you have 20 different heroes with 5 different skins for each, thats revenue. But they’ll learn the hard way when they realize that a hostile monetized experience is only for the casuals. Use that shit on some fucking 2K or FIFA players. If COD can fail, so can this.
I agree. It sounds like Hunt:Showdown where there are recruitable heroes but built upon from there rather than a player made character. Works well and it allows them to constantly add.
I hope so. Some level of player choice, customization and progression is needed for an extraction shooter, and it seems like all of that will still be there.
Thats fucked up I really liked the trailer because of its contrastant colors and minimalism in the robots design model but if they end up having heros or some type of valorant/overwatch characters with a minimum of shit ass lore for common mfs to get hyped then I will loose all my interest in this game. There is so much potential like it's supposed to be a repetitive game and everyone starts with the same things so everyone having just a few inexpressive robots would make the playerbase want to grind to customize their character/robot just like how Halo used to be and even if it ends up being f2p they can go nuts with the death effects/animations either their kills or deaths + skins but keeping the monotonously of everyone being an A,B or C class of robot in a way
1: hunt isn't a hero shooter legendary hunters are just skins 2: hunt is not just pvp the main mode of the game is about killing a boss enemy before everyone else can this is clearly referring to actual hero shooters not games like hint and fortnite where you simply play as a skin based on a character
I have faith that Marathon is in the hands of competent designers. First people complain that it will be an extraction shooter, then they complain hearing it may have elements of hero shooters. Why can't we just let them make the damn game? There is no positivity surrounding this game, why are people so eager to be anxious and hate on it? I love Destiny 2, warts and all, and I also love Hunt Showdown, so when I heard that Bungie was gonna make a game that took my favorite elements from both and its art direction is exactly my shit? The target audience is ME.
We hate hero shooters. Let us customize and become our own characters.
Yes. This is just absurd of them to think anyone wants this hero shit
THANK YOU, GOD DAMN I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT WANTS CHARACTER CUSTOMIZATION 😭
Honestly idgaf about some default lookin “custom” hero we can design. Give me flushed out characters with lore and some cool abilities instead
But yet yall be playing helldivers talking about for democracy
@@tomohawkcloud that talk sounds like treason
Halo era Bungie veteran replaced by Valorant dev. Yikes.
Not necessarily a yikes, but interesting for sure.
Definitely a yikes.
@@riloegaming
No, definitely 100% guaranteed a yikes.
@@riloegaming Lol, it is a yikes. Valorant isn't a good game
@@riloegamingNot a yikes? Mf they’re turning it into a hero shooter
I was excited to customize my own Recon (what the player was called in the original)… Now I’m expecting this to fall flat on its face and flop.
I'm so fed up with Hero shooters, not every game needs to have heroes
I don’t understand why they think people want characters with constantly annoying voicelines as their way of expressing themselves when giving them THEIR OWN PERSONALITY AND CHARACTER is LITERALLY the best way to allow players to do so
It could Be "hero" Like DRG
I am PISSED about hero shooters especially in a title as promising as this. Playing both tarkov and destiny with equally as much time spent I know what kind of customizable options bungie is capable of and it’s a shame that is not the case for marathon
Maybe enough whining online could help them change their stance, idk, but I totally agree 😄 hopefully the visual style stays the same, is my biggest concern
I want customization. I don't want to play as everyone else
@@RicToneFrl I get games like marvel rivals coming out you play as a actual superhero but I don’t wanna play some lame default character as everyone else
@@riloegaming complaining not whining
Oh shut up
This just turned into Apex legends with extraction mechanics, God damn it.
Very true, taking an existing IP and ripping any resembling detail except names.
@@noahmkv Not only is it an ordinary ip. It's one of the oldest and most narrative driven game made by Bungie.
Despite how the games play and look, the storytelling is absolutely phenomenal.
You know what would be cool? A single player campaign with memorial characters, deep lore, and layers of conspiracy on top of conspiracy.
Kind of like this one trilogy of games Bungie made back in the 90s called “Marathon”.
Yes! Exactly
You know what? I'll just go and play Marathon... I am sick of beautiful games that leave me empty in every other sense than sight.
True but always online love service is the new wave
@@moritzkorsch9029 I think you'd appreciate even just the cryptic messages contained in the original Marathon trilogy, it's more beautiful than what their games can offer now.
There are already hundreds and thousands of single player campaign games, why not play one of those?
LET ME MAKE MY OWN GUY!!!
DAMN
Bungie keeps shooting itself in the leg, salting the wound then amputating itself
one would think they'd run out of leg by now.
😂unless they switch to their second leg.@@mememaster8314
They really turning of my the most unique sci-fi settings of all time into a trendy hero extraction shooter🙄🙄
Yep
Fuckin' hate it. Banking on the popularity that Mandalore brought to the franchise
I mean - look at Homeworld 3. The entire reason it basically became a game WAS because of Mandy's videos... but we got absolute d*gshit
Man just ditch the whole multiplayer aspect entirely and just make a proper Marathon single-player game already. I cannot believe they're wasting Marathon on a trend following multiplayer game.
What a punch in the gut honestly darn
Not sure what I would’ve wanted from a new Marathon game but I feel extraction shooter isn’t the right call.
I actually think it could be a really great idea; if they do it a certain way. Gonna do a whole video on it at some point
They could have done it as a Destiny spin-off or just a new IP entirely. Using the Marathon IP just feels like desecrating a sacred burial ground.
Not only is it antithetical to the history of Marathon as a pioneer in narrative shooter. It also basically signals that there is no chance of a true sequel or remake to the original Marathon games because they wouldn't want go draw attention away from their next live service cash cow.
Milk milk milk.
Extraction shooter with customization sounded cool but a “hero extraction shooter” gtfo. plus a former valo directer is replacing someone who’s been w bungie since before CE…it’s not even bungie atp. Game is officially ruined.
@@santig.2113honestly I'm pretty glad I didn't hype the game in the first place considering they never even promised a fucking campaign, but now they're dispensing a guy from the fucking MYTH 2 days and replacing him with a fucking valorant guy. I can't believe I only heard this news now how is bungie so bad at doing the bare minimum nowadays wtf
I liked it at first. The whole concept presented was cool af, playing as printed synths for megacorps scavenging the planet. Thats why this fucking sucks, making it a hero shooter instead of customized characters fucking ruins the concept. I wanted my own little synths.
Hero shooters definitely do not help with customization (because customization can only go as far as the hero’s niche allows, and it can’t overlap other heros’ niches). Plus hero shooters add another level of balance issues (not only do you have to balance the guns and gear, but now you have to balance the hero’s core abilities). This is a BAD idea all around.
Chief wore a helmet for a reason, Rookie wore a helmet for a reason, Six wore a helmet for a reason.
i think one of the reasons i fell in love with tarkov is BECAUSE my guy is a nobody. like he isnt anyone important, he literally got left behind and forgotten. PLUS, the blank slate player-character is great for immersion because that blank slate essentially becomes me, which makes me want to protect him and play better.
Blank slate is great for immersion? Are you saying a personally deplete husk with no souls is relatable to you?
@@SpottedHareshe’s saying that making his own character allows him to imagine himself in that character’s shoes more easily. Playing as a “hero” character means he has to essentially pilot around someone else’s vision for the character rather than his own.
@@SpottedHares midwits like you don't have personality to project
@@SpottedHares YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO FILL THE HUSK. THAT'S THE POINT. seriously, grow an imagination please.
@@KeyboardTarantulaToo hard for the generation of today.
Nice the game just got ruined
Right 😂
It was ruined ages ago lmao
It was ruined before it was even made lmao
I hate heroes in game nowadays, just let us make a character and customize it like we want. And if you really want to make abilities just let us chose them
It also hurts the immersion when you have 4 of the same “heroes” running around on the map
Yeah but customization is too difficult and expensive, so here's trendy hero extraction shooter slop instead.
I guess hero shooters are cool, but I think this game’s art style and universe would make having customizable characters incredibly cool. I personally hope they go back on this decision, but I still think this will be a good game
Just because there’s heroes doesn’t mean no customization. Hoping they let us have some cool cosmetics regardless of the game’s loop 🙏
@@riloegaming customizing a pre-made character blows in comparison to having ur own little guy, specially in the context of this game ;-;
If they made class types instead of specific heroes it would be forgivable.
@@riloegamingthe people want to customize their own character, they don't want a replacement system for that, which is rumored to be a hero roster, which is way worse in term of custimization, because it has a set identity, which the people don't want.
I'm about halfway through my first playthrough of the first marathon. Idk too too much about the lore but I know it's intense. It feels like pretty despicable spit on the face on the insane innovation, community, and story of the original marathon trilogy
The discrepancy between "Selecting from a group of heroes" and Hunt showdown, is that Hunt you still play as literal random generated 'no-bodies'.
The MTX ecognizable "heroes" don't even stand out from the regular random hunters you can get from the recruit tab.
What gets people worried is that "hero shooter" comes with a lot of baggage that is more than just "we removed individual character costumization for preset models." I.e. stats and abilities and perks tied to those "heroes." Even if players have a choice of choosing different ones. It is implied that play styles, equipment, abilities are tied to characters.
Of course. But if you look at the gameplay loop they’re planning for Marathon, it doesn’t seem it would work with true Hero mechanics, which is why I’m gonna HOPE that “selectable characters” is more cosmetic than anything, like Hunt’s legendaries
This makes me nervous.
oh man, the cycle frontier music, i want this game back ;(
Removing a players' input on their own character kinda spits in the face of what the ENTIRETY of Marathon's story was about.
This games dead in the water for multiple reasons. One of the bigger ones (imo) it's taking them too long to bring anything out, I'm saying it now it's gonna be a disaster on release
I think its the idea of no customization that's got people thinking twice. If in the heroes there's some general customization it'd be an alright compromise
I can understand that sentiment but in pvp games like this that customization is kinda what people strive for in the late game it allows people to express themselves and it feels to good to have something to work towards that cant just be taken if you die it allows for a form of permanent progression that doesn't interfere with game balance
Oooooh!!! The music of the “The cycle frontier” gives me goose bumps and open a scar in my heart😢😢😢 the best Game ever! I Miss this so much!
Search: the cycle frontier ost ica theme
yep, this music, gameplay and graphic was amaizing, i miss this game
@@barr68898 😭😭😭🥲🥲
Hunt isn’t purely PVP the literal base objective of the game is to hunt down the world bosses. PvP is an extra challenge
In Hunt, killing the boss is kinda like capturing the point in a different game. It's just an incentive to get players to move around the map. PVP is not extra, it is the meat of the game.
Focusing on PVE and avoiding players is a valid way to play it, but completing a match without a player attacking you is a rarity.
That is part of the appeal of the extraction shooter concept. When getting out alive is your objective, conflict with other players isn't always necessary. It means you can focus on sneaking around, waiting for other players to kill each other, scavenging the leftovers of a fight, or setting traps for your enemies.
It's this freeform approach to strategy that makes Hunt Showdown so much fun, and it's why I'm excited at what Bungie could do with such a format. It being a hero shooter or not doesn't really impact that base structure, so I'm open to whatever they try.
if hanger 96 is a playable map and i will scream. Not screaming in pain, but in protest.
I just want good customization bro is that to hard or something
Turning Marathon into either of those things is just a straight-up tragedy. Game had the best subtle and thought-provoking narrative of any game trilogy I can think of, under the guise of an early gen 3D shooter
Why won't they let me play as a faceless grunt for fucks sake.
IM SO SICK OF HERO SHOOTERS. I was super excited for this game but now I'm honestly kinda over it. We'll see when I comes out but I would have much preferred having a customizable character. I have no problem tossing a few bucks to make MY character look exactly how I want.
I just got into the finals and the character customization is literally my favorite part. Damn, hope this game isnt going to be a waste of cool world building and art styles.
I want my own character, and character customization. There are too many games gunning for "hero" shooters. Battlefield 2042 went this route too. COD went this route. It is the status quo...
Remember Hyenas? Hero shooters don't work in extraction games.
Remember, guys, the Bungie we knew is long dead. Don't buy into the nostalgia.
As someone who likes 1994 Marathon this hurts me in way I cannot begin to describe.
letting today's bungie make a marathon reboot, and a multiplayer extraction shooter at that, was a mistake from the get go.
nvm, forget it, ain’t touching it with a 9 foot pole cause who tf thought replacing a bungie lead with a riot games lead was even close to a good idea
Something like the finals seems like the best middle ground for something like this. The runners being replaceable and reconstructable can be enforced by making generic templates that we can customize but adding different backpacks/sizes to them to inform players of potential abilities/options they have would be a nice middle ground. Ideally no hero’s but this to me at least would be the best option if we’re forced to.
the “heros” in marathon are going to be the same as “hunters” in Hunt SD- skins, they’re just skins. mark my words
I very much hope so
Why would it be an extraction shooter, that makes no sense, obviously nothing to do with the original marathon series then. How disappointing
really hoping it turns out like a more refined version of Cycle Frontier
With such a unique art style it’s a shame that you won’t be able to customise the outfits
We should have let Durandal win
Hoping that someday Bungie will remake the classic marathon game
I think the reason ppl are pissed is that they were advertized your "own customizeble character not "even more hero stuff" not only does it strip away from personal expression trough customization from players, but opens doors for bad monitization, the only reason hunt showdowns heroes are not really bothersome is that they have no special perks, abilities, or direct gameplay benefits. Im personally not happy about the switch to a hero system since im very tired of the hero slop that gets forced in every game nowadays
If bungee pumps out an extraction shooter at the quality of Hunt, I think I’ll forgive them for the shit they put Destiny players through.
We definitely want character costumization,
As someone who plays a lot of hunt showdown, it still annoys me, I don’t want another hero shooter, and while yes hunt has hunters, they are not really heroes just custom models/skins for your character. Also as a halo fan, god damn that’s shame
If this is a pvp based game and not a remake or continuation original story im gonna be sad because marathon has an amazing story and there is so much potential for the marathon series as a campaign
@@wafflechief206 my hope is that it’s still very much story driven while also being PvP centered.
I’d be interested if it was a Solo/PVE Co-op extraction shooter with a good story. Of course it has to be PVP and probably always online.
This literally just means they wanna sell skins for each hero to make more money doesn’t it?
I thought the Cycle Frontier
bruh its not even out yet and people dont like it
because it looks nothing like the original
I was already disappointed that a franchise that didn't got a new game in such a long time, got something new announced only for it to be an extraction shooter. Now my expectations for it are pretty much dead with it now being a mix of Hero Shooter (as if we needed more of those....) and Extraction shooter.
Bungie really dropped the ball hard with this being a good chance to remake Marathon in the same style as Doom 2016.
Should be a single-player game first and a multiplayer second.
The changes are booty cheeks but I’ll still try it. Character customization is one of my favorite things
So many people complaining when we don’t even have gameplay footage yet. Hero shooter doesnt immediately mean it’s gonna be like apex or overwatch.
I for one am quite happy they made the dev change. Whether you like it or not Valorant is an incredibly successful shooter game. Any wisdom this dev brings will only help ameliorate the gameplay experience. As for customization that is kinda a bummer.
Dear Bungie,
Please leave Marathon alone. No one cares about the IP except a bunch boomers. You’ll only be hurting them when this game fails as a hero shooter
What a spit in the face the Marathon fans. Not only is their elaborate and extremely intricate story being lobotomized by corporate greed, it's being turned into a hero extraction shooter... Yikes.
Tbf this stuff looked nowhere like Marathon in the first place, and the fact that it was meant to be an extraction shooter didn't help. I couldn't care less about it.
It was a new game with a thin coat of Marathon paint on it. Most of it was far enough removed from stuff we never really encountered in the game (the factions) with a few recognisable things like the Compiler. It was always like this, they just made it obvious now.
Narrator: They were not!
I could actually see this working if the heroes aren't generic. As long as they don't turn it into a PVP game like everything else
It is a pvp game, it was announced as such since the start of
its an extraction shooter, of course its pvp. the problem is the heroes. there will be no way theyre not generic. the nameless synths with custom gear were a much, much better idea.
@@riloegaming bad wording, I mean a XvX arena shooter not simply PVP
Ah for sure. I don’t think that drastic a change in direction would happen as far into development as they are.
i was hyped. if i cant make my own character im not buying it. period
am i really the only one who notices the Cycle-esque background music?
it's not "esque", it's actually it.
they shouldve just done doom 2016 but in marathon verse
no loner excited TBH
Looking past the knee jerk reactionary crying. I’m reminded of Warframe, which isn’t really brought up as a hero shooter. But the Frames are the “Hero” but since they’re mass produced t’s your personal mass produced frame that you get to customize.
Grated the more likely reason for this change is the new lead led Valoriant and he is just doing what is familiar.
Long time marathon fan- please, please let me read pages full of lore again. I loved it when I was six. We all still love it, rather than, “this is the new person, they can do meta breaking stuff, coz we wanted them to”.
Other than that, keep Marathon as a special thing at the perfect time (postmodernist pre-millennium concept of/space/time/ai.
If I hear a special payable, “frog blast the vent core” voice then Bungie will have lost me forever. Too late to the game on “hero-shooters” contemporary rainbow six has killed that. Please PLEASE, don’t kill another icon. Definitely too late into development for me to be pleading but it’s painful and I hope you’ve not ballsed up what was a great series.
No customization kills it for me tbh
Hero shooters aren't a bad thing...
If it's a PvE/campaign story. Cause that Hero is the protagonist of the story who's actively involved with said story. Like John Green Man from Halo. You can even have multiple heros who can do different things.
If it's PvP online. Let there be free customization, let the player decide on what abilities they want their own character to have. Give us the best of both worlds by making a fun campaign and THEN the multiplayer.
Me personally, I'm tired of how multiple games have this multiplayer first mindset with added story later. Sometimes, I just wanna go it solo. Learn the story. Learn the world. Follow a character arc and have a personal experience with a game. I want something I can play without the need of the Internet or worry about lag cause my buddy Jimmy Bobby doesn't have a strong enough Internet connection.
bro..... please dont do this to me....
I think we should wait until the game comes out at least in Beta form. Good AND bad hype is the problem for games nowadays. People overly dislike or dislike a game they haven't even played yet. If the game sux, absolutely don't play/buy it. But if the game rocks, absolutely play it. That's it. This is coming from someone who actually loved the original Marathon series so much it not only sparked a love for gaming in general, but fueled the beginnings of a career in I.T. I'm STILL deciding to stay neutral on this game until I actually get to play the finished product or at least the beta.
Why can't they just remake the games rather than turn it into something nobody even asked for?
Oh yeah, that's what the new Marathon needs. Valorant DNA inside it. Extra reasons for it to be DOA.
I wanna fight the phor though
Marathon is gonna be a pvp hero shooter because the shareholders want a pvp hero shooter. It's not that hard to understand. What the consumers want doesn't matter anymore because the shareholders know that gamers are brainless cattle who will throw money at whatever trendy thing they shit out. Hope you're enjoying this reality guys, because its the future you spent your money on.
i think there will be RvB reference
I really hope they change that. How is it that they haven’t realised that the hero shooter genre had run its course! Wait a second… it’s the children they are trying to appeal to!
Huh, guess they learned nothing from failure of 2042. Sell more goofy skins
I'll wait to see what they make of. Hero shooter, extraction shooter, whatever. If it is a good game with solid gameplay and a loop worth coming back I'll check it out. If it falls flat it won't be because one element wasn't quite right. Whole package matters.
100
If I can have customisation I will always take it and I actively avoid hero shooters. No thanks.
Immediately lost some interest. They did this for the money. If you have 20 different heroes with 5 different skins for each, thats revenue. But they’ll learn the hard way when they realize that a hostile monetized experience is only for the casuals. Use that shit on some fucking 2K or FIFA players. If COD can fail, so can this.
Can't wait for them to release an unfinished game with purchasable cosmetics.
Oh my gawd people love customization in games. Why the hell do they always do the opposite of what we want.
XD hunt at least has interesting looking characters.
Just remember. Cornered BUNGIE is good bungie
No. They're fkn with Marathon
If they make Marathon a hero shooter I will not be playing it.
I don’t mind if it solely abilities but I want to be able to customise my character
it wont be your character when its a named hero, no matter how much we can change skins. bad idea all around.
Well. I tried to hold out a tiny bit of hope that this game might be OK. Good lesson.
They’re dropping more than the ball
I agree. It sounds like Hunt:Showdown where there are recruitable heroes but built upon from there rather than a player made character. Works well and it allows them to constantly add.
I hope so. Some level of player choice, customization and progression is needed for an extraction shooter, and it seems like all of that will still be there.
Thats fucked up I really liked the trailer because of its contrastant colors and minimalism in the robots design model but if they end up having heros or some type of valorant/overwatch characters with a minimum of shit ass lore for common mfs to get hyped then I will loose all my interest in this game.
There is so much potential like it's supposed to be a repetitive game and everyone starts with the same things so everyone having just a few inexpressive robots would make the playerbase want to grind to customize their character/robot just like how Halo used to be and even if it ends up being f2p they can go nuts with the death effects/animations either their kills or deaths + skins but keeping the monotonously of everyone being an A,B or C class of robot in a way
WE WANT HALO SP/MP GAMES!!! STOP NICKEL AND DIMING US WITH THESE DAMN GAMES!!!
1: hunt isn't a hero shooter legendary hunters are just skins
2: hunt is not just pvp the main mode of the game is about killing a boss enemy before everyone else can
this is clearly referring to actual hero shooters not games like hint and fortnite where you simply play as a skin based on a character
It's dead, Jim
I have faith that Marathon is in the hands of competent designers.
First people complain that it will be an extraction shooter, then they complain hearing it may have elements of hero shooters. Why can't we just let them make the damn game?
There is no positivity surrounding this game, why are people so eager to be anxious and hate on it?
I love Destiny 2, warts and all, and I also love Hunt Showdown, so when I heard that Bungie was gonna make a game that took my favorite elements from both and its art direction is exactly my shit?
The target audience is ME.
I honestly don’t care what kind of game it is. As long as they keep that artstyle intact, I’m playing 😄