HOW FAST IS A GSX? FIRST RIDE in 23 years on Seadoo GSX Ltd | Seadoo GSX Limited 951cc 1999 | Ep2
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- My first ever ride on a Seadoo GSX Limited 951...Guys this video is a big one!...I have been dying to ride a carburettor version of the 951 Rotax Seadoo engine. I fell in love with the 951cc with my XP 2003 Direct Injection, so was always curious how the original carb version of 951 engine would stack up. Plus literally everyone I have ever spoken to has said, I’ve got to get a GSX as its one of the best handling skis of the late 90s, with it being the best model for the 951. I have had a GSX on my bucket list for a long time, so when I got my hands on one, a 34 hour pristine one, I was pumped and excited to get it out on the water.
In this episode you see my first ever experience riding a GSXL and boy did it live up to expectation. This GSX is fast...super fast, plus its super connected and alive on the water.
I hope you guys enjoy the episode
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The retro two stroke skis are on another level, so light and fun to ride
1000% this GSX is up there with the best from the 90s... I have a new video coming soon on the X4 1995 which people claim is one of the best hulls ever made...stay tuned. Thanks for watching 😎😎
I was amateur racing through this era and eventhough I was a Yamaha guy, Sea Doo during this era were pretty good. Hell I even worked for Sea Doo in teir Grant Florida R&D operations in '97 before they moved to Palm Bay. Seeing this vids really brings me back and miss those days. Cant believe you find these skis in these conditions. I would snap these up if I could find them around here.
Man love this! Thanks for sharing... crazy that when you were riding them I was still a kid! I just love everything about these older crafts... I've got to be honest, I still pinch myself now that I have found such clean skis, but I must stress its down to hours of looking, staying in contact with owners etc and like anything in life, if your patient and visualise, the goods always find you... Thanks for watching ✌✌
I raced AM Vet on a Yami 1200 R and a Kawa Ultra 150 for 1 race on Lake Erie.
I bought the identical ski years ago with 48hrs, did some upgrades got near 70mph and never an issue when maintained properly
Getting near 70mph is seriously impressive! 🚀 It’s amazing what a few upgrades can do. Sounds like you’ve really taken good care of it, too. Keep enjoying those rides, mate! Thanks for watching🙌🌊
That thing looks great! I really miss the riding season, it’s snowing right now on Lake Ontario.
Thanks man...it really is a blast! I know its getting to that time of year sadly... Thanks for watching dude, glad you enjoyed it 👌👌
Just bought a 1998 GSX Ltd Grey Ghost...haven't had it out yet, am super excited.
Nice! Those ghosts are rare so thats mega… hope it runs well and is a blast dude 🙌👍
I just ran across your channel and enjoy your reaction to these oldies. May I offer some advice? The older Seadoos all came with grey colored fuel lines......they will be the death of your engines. The low original hours do NOT matter. The fuel line reacts with the fittings on the carbs and fuel switch and plugs them up leaning out the engine. I run my own shop and wrench on these for a living......I've seen it countless times. Also the soft rubber parts in the carbs are bad strictly due to age......NOT hours. You wouldn't drive on 25 year old rubber tires would you? Go through fuel systems on ALL your old Seadoos or..........I told you so. On your 951 Di machine, replace the in-tank AND inline fuel filters BEFORE it blows up. The di will NOT give any warnings that the fuel pressure is a tiny bit low until you cook a piston. Again......seen it many times. Hit me up with any questions or if you need filter part numbers. I happen to be fixing up a nice minty pair of 98 Gsx Ltd right now, as well as an 03 Xpdi and an 01 GTX di. 😊
Thanks man, appreciate you stopping by and watching the videos, really helps grow the channel with people watching and supporting.
Thanks for all the info, everything you have mentioned is all completely gone through prior to these kinds of ride videos. This example in question has had all lines changed, carb rebuilt, pump fully serviced, seals checked, wear ring and so on. I even changed to a seamless oil tank as the original seamed ones leak... I go through everything, sadly though all the videos I have made around the more detailed side of this stuff bombs so badly and get only a hundred or so views... I follow some great channels that do a much better job than me at the more mechanical side of things... they make some of the most detailed videos I have seen around the mechanical side of things and they get a couple of thousand views vs. putting out ride focused content, which can do much closer to 10k views... sadly as much as I would like to make all content, I really want the best chance at growing the channel, so I can make more content full time. So have to look at YT algorithm as to most effective content... Classics Jetskis is more niche than main stream mechanical car stuff...With jetski content I have found people want to see these classics racing around vs. scaring them off with a list the length of my arm of things to do. It’s almost like not breaking the forth wall, like with classic cars it pretty consistent maintenance if you want to keep them as operation things to drive/ride. I believe a large part of why people watch my videos is for escapism and seeing me riding and maintaining them vs. having to do it themselves. That said I always try to make a point of explaining the importance of pre ride maintenance, especially recommissioning old machines. I am a firm believer starting with a low hour machine is better than high, everything you have mentioned can be carried out on a low hour machine and once done, you have a near new machine to enjoy... the theory of higher hours, meaning everything is more lubricated etc, is great and all, but more usage normally also means more wear and tear, most notably on the cosmetic side of things, but also the engine and ancillary bits. If you take a low hour machine, check everything as you should on any machine, it will last you a lot longer before a rebuild vs. a machine already near 100 hours. I have 10 examples that run as sweet as when they rolled out the factory 25 years ago...I truely believe this is because I was lucky to find low hour vs high... This GSX is a great example, 34 hours from new, I did the work needed and it runs perfect...
Thanks for watching dude, please consider giving me a follow on Instagram as would be good to talk more 👌
I know what u mean about the view counts. How about a side by side drag race of your 951 GSX vs a 215hp RXP. I bet folks would be real suprised at how the old school would hold it's own against the new school.@@classicjetskis
@@92250x Now that is a video that I agree would bang and would genuinely myself be interested to see how a 951 would do against an early year RXP to show how 4 stroke stacks up. Thanks again mate for watching ✌✌
I have the 97.5 Grey Ghost. Love this ski. I don't ride much since buying her with 92 or 94 original hrs. She has about 110 hrs now! Love this video!
WOW love this... great find, the grey ghost are super rare... I have never seen one here in the UK... I would hold onto it. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel 🙌✌
I bought a 1100zxi in 98 and had one of these spank my ass that year..
So in 99 I bought the new Ultra 150 and all the GSX limited owners would want to race the Ultra...I could be riding a passenger and pull off from a GSX limited with ease...
The Ultra was the kid of old school 2 stroke runabouts
The Ultra 150 is definitely a powerhouse and it's no surprise it outperformed the GSX Limited, even with a passenger. Those were quick from what I've been told, just a shame aesthetically they look IMO thrown together and not as beautiful to look at as the GSX of that time. Thanks for sharing your experience-sounds like you've got some great memories kicking some GSX ass! Thanks for watching dude 💪😎
That’s stunning!
Thank you, I do agree in the water it is a beautiful piece and product design and styling! Thanks for watching 👌
Thanks for the video. Been wanting a jet ski for a while and had the impulse opportunity to buy a 99 gsx limited. I absolutely love it after a week.
Man love this! I think its hard not to love the GSX... particularly the Ltd... I remember all my followers telling me how good it was, literally jumped on mine... 1 lap and I was hooked... only got better from there. Thanks for watching dude ✌
Im back 10 months later. Just wanted to watch again to get rid of the itch lol. Been out twice this year. I think im gonna do fuel lines this year. Wanna keep up with this beast. Glad you love yours
Had 2 1996 gsx. They were the most fun sit down rides. The VTS can make multiple ride experience.
Nice man, yeh agree the VTS gives you different riding characteristics which makes for epic riding in different conditions... I absolutely love my GSX so glad I got it...Thanks for watching dude
These were the king back in the day.
Still kings now in my book, along side the XP's...Thanks for watching dude 👍👍
What an awesome ski
I know right! I love it ❤️ never gets old 🌊🌊😎 thanks for watching 🙌
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Was talking to my girlfriend about getting a ski again after I sold my dads 5 years ago that he had given me. (regrettable decision) Grew up on a 98 GS and 99 GTS. The GS was always so fun and a GSX has been a bucket list ski for me since I was little. She was on board, and thinking I would be looking at something new(ish) and when I told her a purple and red 98 GSX was a the top of the list, she was definitely confused. I rode a 2018 GTX and thought, "I might as well just get a boat." I've been scouring for a clean one, which are unfortunately pretty rare. They just aren't taken care of up here on Lake Michigan it seems.
Love this story, thanks for sharing dude! So if you grew up on the GS, as you know the GS was the entry level lower spec ski to the GSX and GSX ltd... as such when you jump on the GSX Ltd with the 951 it is a step up for sure in overall performance.
It is crazy to think the GSX ltd back in the day would have been the same level as now going and buying a brand new RXP 300 Apex...people will say I'm crazy but I'd still pick a GSX ltd all day long, the way this thing behaves and rides is so good even 20 years on. Plus its a 60mph ski!
Crazy thing is with the 10 year Seadoo Spark anniversary coming up, everyone is dying for them to bring out the Spark X with a 130hp engine, which would then give Seadoo a modern day lightweight playful ski, that does 60mph... the irony is they had already nailed this formula back in the 90s with the GSX... I read in an article the other day, that they are trying to get the speed ratio of the 951 back in the new spark... a lot has changed but in other ways nothing has changed.
So to conclude, if you get a GSX Ltd it still holds its own to this day... just make sure its a clean example.
P.s. for 2 people if she is against 2 strokes then a more newer ski might be an easy sell for her 😂 Thanks for watching and supporting dude ✌
I own one of these. Along with a few mechanical issues, it's been sitting out in the sun uncovered for almost 2 years, so the colors have faded. I'm really hoping to restore it to all it glory this summer. It absolutely kills my soul knowing that I own a 1999 GSX limited and can't even ride it right now 😢. I really hope it can somehow bring out the red color again.
It's tough to see a beloved ski like your 1999 GSX Limited sitting unused and weathered, but don't lose hope! With some TLC, you can definitely bring back its glory. Faded colors can often be revived with polishing and possibly some light restoration work. Taking the time to clean, polish, and protect the ski can make a big difference. . It might take some elbow grease, but it'll be worth it once you see that red color shine again. Hang in there, and here's hoping you'll be back on the water enjoying your GSX soon! Thanks for watching dude 😎💪
I love that it has the oem cover, I’ve a spark and wish the cover had a splash of colour
I know right for me whilst OEM covers can have issues with swirling if you don't run an under cover, but for me an OEM covers just completes the look of a ski. FYI in this video for the theatre of the un-covering reveal I took off the undercover which is essentially a soft undercover to prevent any gel coat swirling...In addition all my skis are ceramic coated which helps if you incur any inevitable marks, not just from the cover but usage in general, you can then cut back the ceramic coating and the gel coat is protected underneath... It's important though if you ceramic coat to do a full correction before ceramic coating to avoid locking in any contaminates in the first instance.
Thanks for watching dude and glad you enjoyed this OEM cover as much as I do
Finally we get to see the gsx great edit Joe, how fast was it? It looked sweat chucking it around handle we. Can’t wait to get mine on the lake next year.
The speedo read 60 but I think she’s got more if I get her out on open water… the best bit about this 951 in the gsx is the handling, great rider input… you will love it… thanks for watching mate 🙏👌
That looks like a 99 or 2000 GSX Limited 951 cc. I had a 98 ugly purple and red GSX-L. But, I had the pre snorkel air box. Never did the recall and always outran ones with snorkels and flaps air intakes.
Correct it is a 1999 GSX Ltd 951cc. The 98 you had I actually love the purple and red combo. I have never had the issue with the water ingestion but like you say not 100% sure if the 99 had the update? Thanks for watching ✌
Is that grass in the water?? If so, that looks like a terrible place to rude any sort of jet powered craft! Sick ski man, great find!!!
It was a great place to ride but over recent years its stopped allowing skis, this video was one of the last rides... Thanks for watching dude 💪
My Sea-Doo fleet consists of a 93 GTS 587, 97 SP 720, 98 GS 720, 97 GTI 720, 98 GTX Limited 951, 98 GTX-DI 951.....and to top it off I also have a 2006 Honda Aquatrax F-12X Turbo (165hp/65mph).....qll skis are unique, no two skis feel the same... currently rebuilding the 98 GTX Limited and the 97 SP.
I've had a 2001 Kawasaki STX 1100 di and loved it but too finicky, lots if electronic problems...stators, EMM, etc.
Had several GTIs 97-98 and love those...very reliable skis but slow (45mph)...great with kids though (i have two boys 9&11).....had a 96 SPX that was a riot with the X4 hull and the twin carbs but cery tippy when not moving.
So yeah....long time Sea-Doo fan...cheers!
Dude love this... that is one hell of a classic jetski line up. There is a good spread there you have, even having the Di which in my book makes your line up complete. The Di is an important part of Seadoo history and although now common place back then, it was pretty cutting edge. I have a lot of great memories on the GTX Ltd as my Dad had the millennium addition and I love the look of this ski!
I got to be honest, Yam and Seadoo are my wheel house, not got the best knowledge of Kaw. The 96 SPX is the teal ski right... its basically the same as my 95 x4 717.
Thanks for watching & supporting dude 👌🙌
Awesome video. I just picked up a super clean 98 GSX. Not crazy about the purple though. I might switch it to black. Can't wait to try it out. Your looks amazing!
Mannnnnnn the purple is stunning, the 98 with the red and purple is one of Seadoos stand out colour combos. If you did wanna switch then get the 99 GSX ltd hood, but 1000% keep hold of the original. My vote is keep it how it is. Hope you're enjoying it anyway, what do you make of the 951 engine? Thanks for watching and supporting dude 👌
@@classicjetskis I did stick with the purple. And I am glad I did! It has certainly grown on me.
@@chadclampitt8251 good man 💪🏻👌😍
I have a 1998 GSX limited, absolute love it don't think ill ever sell it the 951 is perfect power to weight makes which makes it so fun
Couldn't agree more...I also agree the 951 in this hull is really well balanced...defo don't sell it buddy... also at this point what you can get for these old skis isn't worth selling...worth more in fun value sat in the garage...Thanks for watching 🙌
Just want to say I love the content and the calibre of the production.
I'd love to have more insights on what you actually do to prep these machines for the water.
Being the age they are, low hours is alarm bells for dried seals and gummed up carbs..in addition to dried grease in the midshafts and impeller cones etc.
I think you should cover off more detail on compression tests, crank pressure tests and spark plug reading to get an understanding of engine health, I think it's important to show viewers you can't and shouldn't just throw a vintage machine in a lake and ring it's neck for the first time in 20 years.
2 strokes are simple, but they are also very simple to blow up with a leaking crank seal thats dried and damaged from age and sitting.
Thank you for the appreciation as to what goes into filming these videos, including your awareness of what I have to do behind the scenes to even get these skis in the water and performing like this…
You are right in saying there is pre maintenance work that is done before these filming days I.e changing all grey lines, cleaning carbs etc, all my skis are fully checked over before they are rode like in this video… but honestly from the research and videos I have filmed and put out in the past digging into the more technical side of things, from a CZcams performance point of view, which is ultimately what it is all about in terms of channel growth… those sort of videos tend to bomb… people want to see the theatre of these classics racing around…
It’s kind of like breaking the 4th wall leading these video with everything you have outlined…
If you check out the likes on ‘today we wrench’ Nick makes some of the most detailed 2 stroke mechanical videos and he’s sees like 3-4K views for content in a ideal world would get 50k but it’s such a niche audience that want this level of detail… the videos that do the best are fast paced straight into the action… I do try to reiterate the importance of owner maintenance, warming up the skis etc… if you watch my purchase day I spend literally hours talking and finding 1 owner examples with full service history all of which I show as much of in the video but it’s hard as not all owners allow it to be filmed…
As for me behind the scenes… I’m the most anal owner you will find, hence why I have 8 pristine classics that are all actively rode great running machines…
I may at some point make a 2 stroke buying guide with things to look out for and what’s the first things you need to do once bought…
Thanks for watching and you make great points, if I had more time I would do way more deep dive videos…
@@classicjetskis Really appreciate the deep dive response mate!
I think even a buyer's guide would be perfect, it's more just awareness raising for future classic ski owners as opposed to in-depth technical analysis on engines etc and to educate the average viewer to not just throw clean fuel into a 25 year old ski and hit the lake only to melt a piston because of bad seals/blocked jets etc. Honestly the beauty of these machines is their mechanical simplicity but not everyone understands some key check points on old 2 strokes.
I think with your production ability and presenting style you shouldn't discount yourself on delivering technical content in a fun way, think fortnine on motorcycles and how he engages with his audience as it relates to complex topics.
Either way, love the content, and love the hobby. Personally I have a mint wave raider 700 that was a low hour 1 owner ski, and I myself share the passion for doing things right and preserving, enjoying and keeping these skis on the water.
Keep it up mate🙌 cheers!
Got the same ski, love it... on smooth water it just flies! Its also small/nibble enough to throw it around on tight turns like you did and then punch it out of the hole
Feedback on the video, there were too many camera cuts during the monologue parts, like 3 words camera switch, 3 words camera switch back.
Thanks for watching 🙏
you have some cool pwc , just so clean👌😊
Thanks man, appreciate the appreciation for them being clean… I have took a great deal of time finding each one 🙏
The hesitation on the carb model is due to accelerator pump issues. It probably needs adjusting. Option 2 remove the accelerator pump re jet and you will never have a hesitation.
Interesting...I will check this out...although I have rode a number of 951 carbs and the DI IMO has a nicer pick up and power band... never any hesitation on a DI vs any comparable carb... also worth noting, my GSX is as well set up as you will find, its also low hours...IMO the higher hour GSXL I have rode are even worse... I love my GSX and this is a small detail, but a detail people try to ignore about the DI, as it easier to hate on them vs saying ' actually yeh that detail is better'. Thanks for watching dude 🙌
The difference in coming out of turns has to do with the weight and design of the hull (XP vs GSX). Also, GPS speedometer will give you a better reading. Your GoPro probably has it built in to it's software. A good indication of potential top speed is checking the tachometer. The 951 should be able to easily push 6700-6900 when tuned correctly (carb jetting, jet pump, impeller, etc.). Cool stuff... congrats.
Agree, the XP for me if we are talking pure cornering and it doing what you want it to do, time and time again (compliance wise) is a far better cornering ski than the GSX. BUT and this is where it gets interesting, in terms of connection with the water and manoeuvrability of the GSX, its a much more fun hull to throw around... I guess how I would summarise it is, if I wanted to have a throw around, fall off and have pure mess around fun, I think I would pick the GSX, as its lighter and more nimble then my 4th gen 'Hyperbolic V' hull on the DI. But if I was racing someone around the lake, I would be picking the XPDI as its got less pickup lag and also better in the corners.... Interesting what you say about the speedo...I have read alot about how they are not always accurate.. I may invest in a GPS...although I'm not mega obsessed with top speed runs...be interesting to see how it stacks up top speed against the DI... Thanks for watching and the advice/input dude ✌
@@classicjetskis Sorry... Just thought of this when reading, I'm sure you are aware... For the future, you want to be careful throwing around the 951 carb. The way the airbox is set-up, it is far easier to succumb to water ingestion than earlier carbed models.
@@2-smoke interesting, I must admit I treat all of my skis with the mindset of keeping the hull dry but didn’t know about this specific concern… thanks for mentioning it…
@@classicjetskis I used to have one. I would routinely sink it to the handlebars and never had an issue. Miss this screamer some days. If u flip it. Make sure not to flip over wrong. Gets water in cylinders.
@@shrek22 Good to know dude, thanks for sharing... I love throwing this ski around... so much fun... luckily not flipped it yet... guess I need to ride it harder right 😊😊
I have the exact same machine with 74 hours on it, fucking beautiful machine. Fast as fuck.
Sounds like you've got a gem of a machine there! With only 74 hours on it, feels like you've got a new machine right.... The speed and performance are good even to this day! it's what these machines are all about. Have a blast out there on the water! Thanks for watching and supporting dude 😎💪
You need some Word sponsors to improve that turning. I used to race a 1995 XP 800 limited.
Agree it would improve handling but when you're dealing with a pristine low hour example like this, its got to stay OEM for me... I'm not going racing with it so no reason to mess with it... I also like testing my riding ability with the squirliness! Thanks for watching dude 🙌
Definitely need to see you ripping a stand up around this course. Try and find a mint 750sxi pro or a mint sxr 800
All in good time my friend, I will for sure get a stand up on the channel at some point, it will be interesting for all you guys as I would be starting riding one as a novice...I've only rode 2 times on a buddy's 1500..its was epic to be fair, but I do love my sit downs... Thanks for watching dude 👌🙌
@@classicjetskis of course. Love the mint gsx. I have a mint 96 gsx myself
What kind of riding area is this? It is very cool and unique.When I raced jets like this would have made a great practice track. Fresh wster?
Yes its fresh water, its just a local lake...sadly in recent times the new owners have stopped jetsking, its now mostly open water swimming etc... but back in the 90s, a mad old dude dug it out by hand! This lake back in the day was iconic! Now its not the same.
I have the same one, I just don’t look nerdy like you lmao
You're not trying hard enough then 😉😉 Thanks for watching
How would you compare this to the X4? Obviously it’s about 5 inches wider and more stable, but assuming they both have the 787, how do they handle different, hitting bouys and jumping waves?
I own an X4 and blaster, I live on a very wavy lake (Great Lake Michigan, where waves are regularly the size of ocean waves.) In certain weather it can be dangerous to take the blaster out, because it’s near impossible to get back on in 6 foot waves. So I’m planning on either buying another x4 or have been considering a gsx 787. Just curious if this feels heavier in corners? I also ride on calm inland lakes, so corners also matter. Any help is appreciated!
Thanks for the comment dude, great questions…
Ok so as you have alluded to key main difference is size and the way the x4 feels under you vs a gsx…
The x4 is more playful and connected to the water vs the gsx.
Yes the gsx is wider and the gsx has a pretty wide seat but that said IMO the x4 has a wide seat also so that’s not the big area of difference, the widened gsx mainly effects to stability and level or rider input you get back… the gsx still retains playfulness just not to the same degree…
IMO if you want a great course ski and you already have a 787 x4 then go for a 951 4th xp parabolic v hull xp.. like a 1998-2004… these are so good on a course as they have a front mounted engine….
Keep in mind I have the 951 gsx so the key difference for me is the top end speed… my 951 has hit 64mph on calm. I can’t comment on a 787 gsx or xp as have the 717 x4 1995. Pretty sure the 787 is 110hp right… not sure on top end but would think a 787 x4 would be better in an x4 hull vs gsx hull as from what I have read, most say the gsx needs the 951 to come alive… in the same way the 1997 parabolic v hull xp was under powered with the 787 carry over from the 1996 x4 xp… until they put a 951 in the 1998 xp.
I really want a 787 1996 x4 xp to see how it stacks up against my 99 gsx 951 Ltd
But for now the way I ride, when I want complete playfulness I take my 717 x4 1995 and when I want proper performance, I take either my 951 gsx or xpdi… that’s a separate topic but for bouy the xpdi eats the gsx as front mounted engine…
Both are great on the waves but yes the gsx is more secure and under you but still playful and can throw around.
Thanks for watching
@@classicjetskis thanks, that all makes sense.
Yes the 787 makes 110hp, most people focus on the 96 xp but it’s also the exact same ski as the 1997 SPX, which is what I have.
I’m not sure what was offered to different markets and if you guys ever got the Waveblaster 1 over there. If so, you need to try one! Greatest mix between a standup and sit down ski.
For sure man, I actually would probably prefer the 99 SPX with the throw back XP X4 1995.5 seat... The 99 SPX is basically a more refined version of the 1996 XP... that said a 1996 all yellow and pink is historically more captivating to most than a lesser popular 99 SPX... By the time they moved to the X4 787 SPX's, most were onto the 951 parabolic XPs... so a clean 1996 XP is worth more than a clean 1996... I would take either lol! Yes 1000% want a B1 but very hard to find a clean one dude. It will happen for sure at some stage. Thanks again for watching
Hey bro You need to paint the trailer red to complete the matching set
I’ve got a brand new roller trailer that this will go on… you can see it here: czcams.com/video/seBZRYRDcGI/video.html
Thanks for watching 🙏
Here in America you don't see many trailers with the rollers on I myself don't like them I'm getting the trailer with the skids
I think in general from what others have said, that the US trailers are completely different...Yeh its a tricky one with roller vs bunk...there are for sure pros and cons for both...I will cover off my experience on the channel at some point...I do love a bunk though.. Thanks for watching dude 🙌
i'd love to have that cover for my 99 gsx limited lol
Do you know what the irony is...I also love the authenticity of having the OEM Seadoo cover for the correct year for the ski, however I actually travel with a much later 2007 retro fit Seadoo OEM cover they made, purely because the original OEM Seadoo covers from the 90s had no inner lining between the canvas and the gel coat...as a result even when the cover is clean, the canvas can swirl and damage the gel coat when traveling... however with the later covers Seadoo brought out in the late 2000s, to retro fit a range of GSX years (they also did this with the XP, the covers are just grey and black branding) they have a soft inner liner on all the high contact spots, plus they moved away from the vac-hold system and introduce a much better reinforced bar and vent system that sucks the cover tighter to the ski, more consistently than the vac-hold... With all that said though, I just love the original covers for historic accuracy... I do occasionally travel with the original year OEM cover on, I just cover the whole ski with a microfiber sheet first... I have also found ceramic coating helps reduce friction and swirling...and if you want to be super picky you could apply a PPF protection so if the ski does get swirls, its only swirling the PPF.. My stance fundamentally though, is I would rather travel with a cover vs without as stone chips etc are far worse than having to cut and polish out a potential swirl. Thanks for watching.
That’s interesting. I’d bet one of those covers would be better than my random eBay cover i have. I usually don’t travel with a cover since I’m afraid of the cover scratching the hull
@@andrewschaffer5467 Yeh the OEMs are very good to be fair...
someone is selling one for $2500 near me, looks decent
Question is...did you buy it?😂😂
FYI you should never travel with cover on. It can damage your ski.
So can stone chips without cover… 😉 I retro fit flock lining… all my skis are ceramic coated. Never experienced swirling or any other issues… thanks for the concern dude, i think what you’re saying is true if you’re using the purely OEM canvas covers but if you retro fit a soft lining and have a good ceramic coating, they’re safe to use… the one time I didn’t use a cover I got a stone chip… so for me the risk of travelling without isn’t worth the risk. Thanks for watching dude 🙏
Do you know anybody that rebuilds the engines on these 2 stokes? Iv got a Gtx DI in need of some TLC.
Are you US or UK?
@@2-smoke UK, plenty of people working on them still and loads of parts in the US. They seem to be getting scrapped and forgot here.
The only person I know that knows them inside out is Preben jetski's but I'm in South Wales.
Cool stuff you’re in the UK...ok so it’s a bit of a mine field with finding someone you can trust to work on these old 2 strokes, even more so when you’re talking the DI 951... it’s very hard (I love the DI btw so no hate). The DI in my experience people s**t on it because they try to work on it and don’t have the correct knowledge to do so... a lot of people that say they work on 2 strokes just don't really understand the DI and its quirks.
There was only one guy I trusted in the UK on my DI and that was Anthony Birchell of Birchell Marine, sadly however Birchell Marine won’t even now entertain working on 2 strokes...I had a good thing running with Anthony for a little while, but his hands were tied with the company just not wanting to have them in the workshop anymore...To put it into perspective though...I had an issue with my DI a year or so ago, it would keep bogging out and losing power and going into limp mode (restricts RPM for safety with maintenance light coming on)... I spoke to about 4 different, so called, really good 2 stroke mechanics, all of which had wild theory’s on the problem (most of which were, ‘the DI this, the DI that...bla bla bla’)...none of which solved the problem...I took it to Anthony, he had it 25mins and found the problem...it was a lose jubilee clip on the exhaust manifold, that was leaking Carbon Dioxide into the engine bay and starving the inlet of Oxygen...The DI however being more sophicated than the carb equivalent, went into limp mode, which likely saved the engine.
The reality is, you want to find mechanics that worked on these back in the day and were trained and got the bulletins of common problems, when the dealers had support from Seadoo... Now Seadoo doesn’t support the older crafts, most dealers across the UK no longer have the knowledge base to help, even if they wanted to...Therefore I found the best people to find, to work on them are ex dealer employees, that worked on them back in there actual production runs...The last dealer I recall taking one of my skis too (before I started working on them myself, as much as possible) was Russell Powerboats...Len (old guy who is the owner, worked on them back in the day) he serviced my DI once, but to be fair, he only agreed to do that because mine is pristine and 34 hours.... I have since spent time clueing myself up, but there really is no substitute for someone that really knows their stuff on these machines, when things go wrong. On a positive note, there are a load of people that work on 2 strokes, it’s just a case of finding someone you can trust.
@@classicjetskis This is the thing, no one has the knowledge. It's a shame this is why most of these older skis are just getting scrapped. Like I said the only person/shop I know is Preben jetski. He sells a lot of parts for these older skis and has his own shop to do the work. If it cost me a grand or 2 to get the engine fully rebuilt I'd rather do that knowing it's going to last me a long time and still be a hell of a lot cheaper than a new ski. If only I was in the US I could drop it off somewhere tomorrow no problem lol. Thanks for getting back to me.
I have 2 of those skis as well as a millenuim edition gtx limited and all three need major tlc. Gonna cost me a lot to get them worked on and running mint but extremely excited. My buddy has a spark and keeps telling me its better than the gsx's. O please lol. Anyone have experience on both
I have actually rode both...a number of guys at the lake had Sparks and to be fair, if we are talking closest thing in 2022 then yeh, the spark is the closest... BUT better?... that's a bit of a stretch...this GSX would eat the spark alive in terms of speed, but also how nimble it is...The one thing the spark probably does better is the TRIXX is light and will pop out of the water easier... This GSX to me is as close to perfection in terms of fun/fast as you can find ....plus this cost me £1700.... a new spark is 10k for the TRIXX. Thanks for watching dude....get those old skis sorted and lets ride ✌
951 is Seadoos most powerful engine...not really the best. Its known for water ingestion and blowing up due to runaway issues.
Also sucks to work on the carbs because they are under the pipe, which also sucks cuz its got the notorious nut thats basically impossible to get at and you need a special bent 14mm wrench to get at. And because the carbs are under the pipe, getting at the starter and the cables are even harder. Ive got a 951 in a 1995 XP 800 hull, and yeah its even more of a pain to work on lol.
Id argue for all around performance AND reliability, the 787 is the best.
For for just reliability the 717 is the best, it lacks in performance but excels in reliability. They used the 717 from like 1995-2001 i believe.
If youre building skis to fix and flip, the 717 is the easiest and cheapest to rebuild. Also an easy sell to new skiers because of its low maintenance.
Great video by the way, that red GSX is very sexy...but i would argue the 2003-2004 red/black XPs are the sexiest!! Lol
Great comment dude! Its a tricky one with the 951, I personally just love the power output but do hear you with your raised concerns... I would love a go on the 1995 xp800 hull with the 951...I have watched your video on it...love it!
As you know I now have the 717 1995 xp and have read exactly what you said about readability vs the rav valve xp800... What did they keep the 717 in until 2001? I know the spx's in the late 90s became essentially the XP800 but I though the 717 was last in the 1996 greeny/teal spx when the xp800 came in for 1996, and then from there it was the 800 in the spx's and the 800 in the 4th gen xp, until they switched to the 951 in the xp 4th gen in 1998...
I also agree, nothing in my book is as stunning as my 03 xpdi, love it!
@@classicjetskis the GTS and GTI had the 717 until early 2000s. I believe like 01 or 02 was the last year.
Then they were 787 rfi and the 951 and and 951 di in those larger 3 seater hulls.
I picked up two more skis, spray paint specials, a 95 XP 717 and a 99 GTS 717. Will be uploading a video of that soon. They are both cosmetically trashed, previous owner went crazy with spray paint. Im sure both engines are bad, but I basically paid for the double trailer and got the skis for free.
@@GCEXTREMEMN How are the spray paint specials coming along dude 😂😂 epic deal you got there by the sounds of things...
@@classicjetskis haven't touched them, got them on carts in a storage unit lol.
@@GCEXTREMEMN I know that feeling aha
I really don’t get this guys fascination with hating aftermarket. It’s literally better. Like if it’s slow out of the corner, pipe-carbs-jetting-done.
Dude honestly I don’t hate aftermarket, I’m just an OEM purest who loves finding examples that are unmessed with...research shows (I should know, I have searched for long enough) that any time one of these old 2 strokes has been modded in search of performance gains, it always hurts the longevity of the ski. Ask yourself honestly, how many clean examples of a GSX like mine, have you seen that have all the aftermarket mods and still running like mine is to this day...you just don’t. These modded skis are normally sat in a garden or yard, waiting to be scraped, as the engine was put under more stress than the manufacture intended. It’s not to say aftermarket doesn’t for sure provide performance improvements. My video even admits that...but if we are talking about keeping these machines going and riding them for years to come, then modding it is a fast track to running this ski into the ground... I’m not looking to race so there is no solid argument for looking for 3-5 mph performance gain.
FYI I didn’t say ‘slow out of the corner’, I actually said in some ‘bogs of a corner’ the DI out performs the responsiveness vs. this 951 carb... This ski is far from slow in the corners and to be fair, I’m not sure why you would want to mod it, as it’s at least 60mph stock...
I do respect your opinions, but please do keep in mind this channel is all about OEM finds, not aftermarket...there are tones of dudes doing aftermarket...
With all that said, I may at some stage find a beat up example and then do a dedicated series looking at aftermarket but its doesn’t excite me the way an OEM ski does...
Same thing here ! Got a factory pipe, big carbs, pump gas setup
@@2strokeguys433 Nice work, as I said... 0 issue with aftermarket I just love finding OEM unmessed with...Enjoy it man
@@classicjetskis i totally understand your point of view too, having a 100% OEM old school machine that is mint is very cool..
I just don’t like the complexity of stock pipe and carbs.. !!
@@2strokeguys433 yeh I hear you dude… as with all these old skis there are things that can be annoying… I just love tracking down and finding the one owner skis that are stock…
30 sum hours on that old a ski setting around 2 stroke 🥴 I would be care of it I rather have one that been heavily used.
Yeh like one with 200 hours or something....😂😂 runs as sweet as the day it come out the factory... a 30 hour fully serviced ski is always better than a heavy used 100+ hour ski... everyone knows the higher the hours, the more likely a rebuild is needed, and lets not even start on the likely difference in cosmetic condition of low hours vs higher hours... its a non argument...low hours all day long... Thanks for watching ✌✌
@@classicjetskis low hours all day long if you wanna keep it that way. Also you right on it esthetically but every low hour ski I have gotten with papers has had other low lying problems and it tail prolly goin need a rebuild anyway. 😛
I like your video tho bro I had alot of old school skis then lost them in a devoice so I'm starting over. With a seapoo just like this one you have in the video I don't really like the newer ski's they have no soul and fun factor. My favorite ones were the 1991 waverunner 650 and the 1996 waveraider 760. Those had the most fun with ever! But if this Lil seapoo I just got ends up fun it won't get swapped out for a yamie. Good day man!
I love the videos but I really don’t understand how you’re so interested in sit downs. They are so boring to ride. Go buy a super jet. You’ll realize how much you’re missing.
I respect your appreciation for the videos but I do have to respectfully disagree. Sit downs are not boring to ride. I have had a hand full of rides on a stand up, even 1500 which are as quick and well balanced as you will find in terms of stand ups and for sure they were fun, but do not buy into the narrative sit downs are boring and stand ups are fun. I think this argument has more legs if we are talking about purely racing culture. I have seen firsthand how fast and how well stand ups corner vs. sit downs, so understand in the racing scene, why if you are focused purely on racing, stand ups are a better proposition for pure performance, as they can do things sit downs just struggle to do i.e. lean right over in the corner, light weight etc etc (closest we have is the blaster 1 or X4...both great btw)...
However and this is where stand ups for me fall apart... part of my love for riding is me and Megs can go to the lake or sea, jump on any of my old 2 strokes and have hours of fun, importantly ‘together’. Stand ups in my experience is a more isolated experience that tends to be more lake culture orientated...
I will be getting a stand up at some point as there are some great 2 stroke classics, but I personally hate the narrative of stand up vs. sit downs, as in my experience any time someone says a sit down is boring, it’s because they’re not riding a sit down correctly... (with respect dude)
that thing still handles like crap w oem sponsons. i was one of the few who bought the hookmaster gray 97 1/2 gsx-R
Rider error 😉😂 I personally find this a great machine/hull around the course, its one of those hulls like the X4 that takes a certain learning curve but once you have it, you can be quick on it. I do hear you OEM sponsons vs aftermarket is a no contest but I'm more into OEM purism. Thanks for watching, p.s. great profile pic, great air!