How To Choose Two Amps For Wet-Dry Guitar Rigs - That Pedal Show
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- You want a wet/dry rig, but you’re not sure what amps will work well together? And what about power, gain, phase and digital latency? We answer all that and more….
Life too short for long CZcams videos? Please see the ‘Interesting bits and go-to sections’ information below.
Welcome to the show! In this episode, Dan and I return to one of our favourite subjects: wet/dry guitar rigs. Definitions differ as to what wet/dry actually means, but for us it is this:
First off, you are using two separate guitar amplifiers…
Compression, boost, EQ, wah, overdrive, fuzz (all the ‘dry’ effects) go to both amps.
Modulation, delay and reverb (all the ‘wet’ effects) only goes to one amp: we call this the wet amp.
The amp that doesn’t get the ‘wet’ effects we call the dry amp.
It’s pretty simple in theory, but you need to be aware of a bunch of things when choosing your two amps such as volume, gain, phase and (related to phase), digital latency. There’s EQ as well of course, but that’s really a matter of personal preference and taste so we're not getting into it here.
In this video we use a fairly standard signal path…
Guitar, overdrives, modulation, delay, reverb, tremolo, amps
Viewed as the wet/dry signal path it’s this (sorry we can’t draw a diagram here, but let’s try text…)
DRY SIDE: Guitar, overdrives, SPLIT (Humdinger) to Amp 1
WET SIDE: Guitar, overdrives, SPLIT (Humdinger), chorus, delay, reverb, trem to Amp 2
Hopefully that explains it!
Enjoy the episode.
Pedals & stuff in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
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• Peterson Strobo Stomp HD
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• Cornerstone Gladio Double Preamp
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• Greer Amps Lightspeed
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• TheGigRig Humdinger
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• Jam Pedals Waterfall
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• Keeley ECCOS Neo-Vintage Tape Delay
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• Empress Reverb
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• Source Audio True Spring Reverb
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Australia: bit.ly/2SbGek3
• Hamstead Signature Analogue Tremolo MkII
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• TheGigRig G2
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro playing: 00:00
- What are we doing today? 1:20
- Today’s pedalboard: 2:25
- Wet/dry or dual mono? 3:15
- Victory V40 and Fender Hot Rod Deluxe: 4:50
- Headroom and volume thoughts: 5:25
- Q: What If The Amps Aren’t Same Power? 7:20
- PHASE!: 8:20
- The phase dance: 10:00
- Q: What If The Amps Are Mismatched In Gain? 11:14
- Q: Which Amp Wet, Which Amp Dry? 12:40
- …adding overdrive pedals to mismatched amps? 15:45
- Q: But Can You Do This At Low Volume? 19:45
- … no, we said LOW volume - 80dB? 22:20
- Dan’s volume revelation: 24:45
- Bugera T5 at 0.1 watt: 26:54
- …adding he Marshall Class 5 to it: 29:00
- Q: What If The Amps Are Wildly Mismatched? 30:52
- Hiwatt 100 and Marshall Class 5: 31:22
- Q: What About A Valve Amp And An Analogue Transistor Amp? 37:18 (37:44)
- Q: What About A Valve Amp And A Digital Modelling Amp?: 41:04
- Q: What About A Pedal That Doesn’t Have Analogue Dry-Through? 46:12 (47:15)
- Summary of our learnings today: 51:30
- Play out - Matchless and Two Rock: 54:00
Guitars in this episode:
• 1965 Fender Telecaster - no video yet
• Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - Mick’s video at bit.ly/2cQv3yT
Amps in this episode
- Victory 40 The Duchess and 212VCD cabinet, Celestion G12-65 Creamback speakers
- Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III with original speaker
- Vox AC15 C1 with Celestion Greenback speaker
- Marshall Class 5 with original 10-inch speaker
- Bugera Infinium T5 with Burt Custom 1x12, Celestion Alnico Cream speaker
- BluGuitar Amp 1 with Burt Custom 1x12, Celestion Alnico Cream speaker
- Boss Katana 100 1x12 combo with origonal speaker
- Hiwatt DR103 Custom 100 with Two Rock 212 with TR1265 B speakers
- Two Rock Classic Reverb Signature Two Rock 212 with TR1265 B speakers
- Matchless HC-30 with Matchless ESD 212 cabinet / Celestion G12M Greenback & G12H Anniversary speakers
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Is it just me - but after so many years i need the “Dan here, Mick here Hello” intro... my OCD doesn’t feel like the show starts without it.
Kind of like "Hello, my name is Johnny Cash."
I just use headphones and wrap a damp towel around one side - voila, my wet/dry rig. :)
You silly. Bless you :P
I see what you did there...........
... you're doin' it wrong.
No no. That’s a wet dry wig
44:30 FINALLY! the Two Rock with the Matchless!
I've been watching TPS since before TPS was TPS on the GigRig page. I just wanted to say "Thank you" to Dan, Mick, Simon, New Guy, and everyone involved. You've helped me find meaning in playing guitar for the betterment of my happiness and mental health. Cheers to you all!
Ah, that’s awesome AC, so great to have you onboard
TPS is why I tried wet dry. The first time I heard both amps together was just heavenly and continues to be!
The digital latency thing was super interesting. I wonder if DSP and ADDA conversion will ever be fast enough for this not to be an issue. It would have been interesting to see how the Mako did. I don’t know it’s specs but thought the speeds were pretty high
Every time that HI-WATT comes out its special. Great episode guys
Dream setup: Bone dry Peavey 3120 master amp into inner left/right side of two 4x12 cabs with C12T-75s in the bottom and V30s in the top, buffered send out into board ending in mid pushed dual eq into stereo delay and reverb going into two buffers going to either side of a tube / valve dual mono bloc sending to outer left / right side of same 4x12 cab with same speaker config.
Add 9 string Schecter CS9 with Lundgren pickups into the mix and stir.
Turn everything up to Patent Applied For and you´ve got Metal ´till You Drop! tone.
Glorious.
I found my sound.
Thank you Dan and Mick.
Have a great weekend everybody. :)
This is probably,for me, the most useful show you've done. You have covered all the questions and demonstrate all I have questioned about the 2 amp wet/dry setup .
Thank you so much guys! You just saved my rig! I've been running a wet dry rig for a long time using an AC15 and a Marshall Origin 50. Recently though, I haven't been able to get the sound right. It lost that "bigness". Anyway, your comments on analog dry through on your pedals made me think about my setup.
I have a Digitech Trio+ pedal that only runs to the Marshall and it doesn't have analog dry through and it bet it's caused a delay. My phase switch does absolutely nothing to fix it. I'm going to take it out of the chain this afternoon and see how it sounds.
I think today's episode is the best sounds/tones you lads have gotten to date!! 🙌
Hat's off to both of you (and the rest of the crew). The sounds you guys are producing lately are just of the charts. I really like the experimenting and trying new things. Every week it's a new treat to my ears! 🙂
YES!!! I love that you’ve put this vid up! I’ve been loving your show for a couple of years now, and because of you guys I now use two amps for gigging etc and it has revolutionised my sound! I’ve just had the go-ahead from the missus, to get a (decent) second amp to go alongside my Orange TH30, as I’ve been using a just-ok MOSFET amp as a second amp, but even with that it’s still so inspiring and moving to have 2 amps wet/dry or wet/wet. Thanks guys! Keep it up, AND I’LL SEE YOU AT THE CAVERN IN LIVERPOOL SOON!!! 🤟🏼
Not sure if you've noticed my posts lately about how synchronistically your videos have been aligning to my current interests and questions, but I just spent last night going through your back catalogue on anything to do with two amp setups. At this point I feel like I look like I'm making it up, but it's uncanny. That's like 4 very specific topics now.
Its great though, cause I waste more time looking for interesting content on CZcams, and I'd rather watch you guys than most anyone else's doing guitar stuff so, by all means, keep it up.
This video was another great example of what sets this channel apart from 99.9% of guitar channels. The fact that you guys spend time eloquently explaining what you are hearing/feeling in the room makes a world of difference for your audience. I would NEVER have considered using two 5W amps for anything serious. If you had just played it and moved on, I would have just assumed that your post-production made it sound good. But you honestly relayed your experience and suddenly everyone is ready to try it.
What a great show !
It also feels great to see one of my concerns (comments) about matching analog and digital sources explained,
Thanks a lot,
Leo
Thank you so much Dan and Mick. It must have taken a long time to change so many amps in and out. The results were spectacular. So many wonderful sounds and so much practical information about what will and won’t work.
Of course you could just use whichever ones you have-I did after being inspired by Mick and Dan and it was really a game changer, even two small practice amps,( when I can I now use an Orange crush pro 60 solid state paired with a Fender blues deluxe reissue, not what you would think of pairing but it’s what I’ve got and it’s really a greater than the sum of the parts kind of thing) Thanks once again gentlemen for your continued source of inspiration and entertaining content 👍🎸
I started with two channel splitters and three tiny amp-shaped-objects, and have been some places since then...
Try splitting the end of the wet pedal train using something like a Boss CE-3 into a Boss PN-2, and yet another Humdinger and a third amp.
Thank you - I sense a kindred spirit 😎
i only get a wet/dry rig when i spill coffee on my solid state pratice amp
Dan, that Tele through the AC15 with just a little bite is pure magic! I've never been able to bond with an AC15, but you really bring the best out of them!
Rewatching this through my studio speakers... this maybe the best sounds you've ever gotten. That half and half sound is immense!
Best episode yet!! So many questions I had that I didn’t know how to put across were answered here. This video will take me onto the next stage of experimenting with creating “my” sound.
Would love to hear the two rock and Hiwatt in wet / dry with the strat. And Dans classic “sniff the tone” faces throughout were great especially at 32:40. It’s like “ tonal stench “ at its finest
Cheers guys
ATTheDocHolliday that would be awesome. Unfortunately it seems Hiwatts have a slightly different phase alignment than any other amp. They just don’t ever quite align with Fender, Vox, Marshall circuits...it’s not like you can flip the phase of one amp and be good, it’s like the Hiwatt is 33% out of phase with everything. DR103 Hiwatt on it’s own is incredible but it just doesn’t really pair with anything.
Jacob Van Noy Thats interesting. I wonder what it is about the circuit that does that. It seemed to work fine with that 5 watt Marshall though
Jason Clute I’m thinking it was due to the massive difference in output in the two amps and the wet/dry scenario. In my experience Hiwatts have a different phase angle than any other amp and don’t pair well when trying to match at similar gig volumes.
Matchless + Two Rock = a match made in tone heaven. Wow! And I have to say the Lightspeed is my favorite drive pedal. Not always on, but just about. One thing worth noting though with W/D or W/D/W is that running your wet signal(s) as wet only (no dry) gives a different dynamic too. I’m pretty sure that was covered in a previous episode and was intentionally left out of the definition of W/D in this episode to keep itge topic focused, but I like to run my wet side with no dry signal at all. It allows you to use your amps’ volumes to control the W/D mix more, it gives you some cool options of running wet only by turning off the dry signal for great pad-like ambient sounds, and it pretty much eliminates the phase issues since you’re not using the dry-through on the wet pedals.
Such beautiful playing from both you guys
This is the third time I listened to this episode. I have 5 kids and so in the few spare minutes a week I get to play I love getting good sound and the wet dry wet has done that for me. What makes this episode one of the best is that the guys talk not about just the pedal but how to use the guitar with the pedals with the amps to augment sound and I learn so much about playing along with the sound. Thank you.
I've been gigging a Class 5 and a Princeton for years - glad to see you guys catching up 🤣😉
Too cool!
After watching you guys for a while now I have set up a Wet-Dry rig. I have an AC15 and Blues Jr. And it's really no bull. At bedroom volume I'm getting fat sounds that are absolutely blowing my mind. I love you guys for this.
This is FANTASTIC to hear Stewart, thanks for letting us know. And congrats!
It brings me joy that I asked for this episode in the comments of another video. Mick responded and said you'd do it and 2 weeks later you guys did it.
Customer service at it's finest.
I had acquired at Hiwatt T20 and a Marshall DSL 40 before I knew this witchcraft was an option. When I saw the wet dry set up Mick and Dan were using last year on the show, everything changed. Inspirational stuff.
Omg the sound from the hiwatt with the Marshall made me make involuntary noises.
Heard you the first time, Dave.
This episode should be top secret. If my wife finds out that I can use the amps I have to get great tone my schemes will fail. I need to prove that I need more gear. Could you re-release an episode for wives with a different outcome.
Pow is onto something here guys. We need wife versions of episodes like 5 minutes long of the boys saying this is outdated now you need to buy this Matchless DC30 and the Venuram etc...
Sooo... your life watches the episodes too? Yours is more patient/interested than mine!!
I don't know if you can sell it, but it is a fact that a wet-wet-dry rig is at least about twice as cool-sounding as a mere two-amp thing. I am using Boss PN-2s to gratuitously double both my wet channels but its certain that you can get your sound with less.
Yea but they actually need to do this...
yes gents, you need a "why you need multiple $5000 boutique amps and a wall full of pedals" episode. Welcome to That Pedal Show, Dan here, Mick here, Wives here
First time today playing a wet/dry with a 5 watt tube amp and a blackstar super fly. Can’t believe what difference this makes. Smiling all day. Thanks guys for the inspiration ❤️👍
Two Rock + Matchless = the best sound you guys ever had in the show, by far. SO GOOD.
My easy solution for the higher headroom amp getting louder with gain pedals is to use a volume pedal between the wet effects and the amp. Not only can you adjust for volume jumps, but you can dial in the effects level to taste as needed. I do this at home with a Bassbreaker 007 (dry) and Deluxe Reverb for wet.
I use a compressor in front of the higher headroom amp. Yamaha G50II (wet) Monoprice MP15 (dry). Works a treat!
Wet Dry - it's a revelation. This dynamic is probably my biggest takeaway from TPS over the years. Thx!!!
I tumbled into it by accident. I happened to have a bit of pro audio gear around from a previous experiment, including a couple Little Labs IBP phase tools. Knowing that they would break the ground loop inspired me to try running three amps together, the original Cerberus. One thing led to another, and I swear it isn't G.A.S., but it looks like there will be approximately 18-20 discrete channels on my rig, depending on if I can acquire a certain pair of very large drivers. Mick is so right, once you spread your tones, you can sound good at low volume. I plan to run it less than 90 dB mostly. ;)
A year ago they did an wet dry wet...your welcome. 😎
@@DavidMorisset yes I saw that episode and actually have run wet dry wet and really love the potential. I still don't have enough isolators and signal splitters to do it conveniently. In fact, until I can afford what I need, I am perfecting my wet dry setup.
William Smothers Run a radial splitter to a Blues Jr and the other end to my trem, delay, verb and line 6 m5 at the end then through a lehle little dual to an AC15 and Supro Saturn. Got the Lehle used and it has change everything. 😎with the ground lift and phase reversal.
I just love this show, and both of you for making it. A Friday treat every week.
Glorius Maximus !! May be the finest video I've heard recently. Thanks for all the time on this one fellas.
Love the new intro format, very professional!
Mark Pritchard but you’ve gotta miss the “ ..is it on..er ...are we coming through...er..hello “ that we’ve got used to😀
Totally enjoyed the bit on wildly mismatched amps - I've been running wet/dry with a Twin Reverb Reissue and a Bassbreaker 15 for a while now. Might not be as extreme as your example, but somewhat comparable. I was partially inspired by the SRV thing of having a dirty amp and clean amp running at the same time, though I'm running the Twin clean and the BB dirty whereas he was abusing Blackfacess for their dirty sound and using Marshalls for their cleans (I know, the BB is closer to a Vox, but you get the idea). Sorry for the tangent!
My bandmates looked at me like I was crazy the first time I turned up at a gig with two amps in tow, but I'm actually running about the same stage volume levels as our rhythm guitarist, and he's usually running a cranked 15 watt VHT on half power mode, if memory serves. And after a couple gigs, our sound guy actually noted that he appreciated having the different sounds so he could better dial things in for the PA mix. Plus, there's something super rock and roll about having 2 amps behind me on stage.
Great stuff as always, gents.
my main issue is I got a bunch of stereo pedals.. And my main amp right now is an Orange OR15.. I've found the fx loop to be not very good, its loud, and some effects don't work in it like swell, and for some reason tremolo get a big volume drop on one of my modulation pedals. I wonder if there's a way to fix this, or should I just run my DRRI clean with all the pedals mono, then the or15 for overdrive with just a basic reverb in the loop..
Great and timely episode, as I begin to work with my first wet / dry configuration - thank you!
I've been asking these questions since the topic of wet/dry was first discussed. Loved this episode. The Hiwatt/Class 5 was my question answered in awesomeness.
Wonderful episode! It’s heartening to see you enjoy playing even on budget to mid-level gear. Very inspiring. Also loved the summary at the end: “Use what you like, just watch out for these couple of things.” In a world where people seem to get the most influence from having the loudest opinions, that was refreshing.
Just fabulous episode. I learned a great deal and am less concerned about screwing up my attempts to try wet dry with different valve amps.
Mick was this recorded after the pickup change in Blue? The sound of the guitar and that Two Rick is just bliss
And my Friday just got better! :D
Awesome, awesome topic guys!
Great tones. Nice of you to run through a number of more unusual amp pairings. Clearly the play out portion at the end was the ultimate. Dan’s face was hilarious. I would love to show up at every gig with a set up like that. I get so used to it at home that I am never quite satisfied with my tone when I have to play through just one measly Divided by 13 or a Morgan by themselves. Ugh the humanity! Cheers guys. Thanks as always.
7 am in the States. What is wrong with me? Rock on.
11:09PM in Australia and I am working in the morning and should go off to bed instead of watching this.
I am on the west coast, and this is the only time I get to myself, enjoy the morning!
6:30 am in the desert. Coffee time then off to work...maybe.
Absolutely nothing. 😎
Taste/addiction knows no time zone.
Blimey, Blue is sounding majestic ....
Thank you!
I’ve followed you guys on the wet dry journey. This is a great update. And adds to story and understanding
You guys won me over to wet dry a while ago. I’m using a port city pearl and a top hat king royale... I rarely ever just use one amp anymore 👍👍👍 love the show
Wow, I've gotta try wet dry. That just sounds awesome!
Please do!
God bless That Pedal Show🤘🏼
Great show lads! Learning so much from you! Thank you.
Very informative! I’m glad I paid attention to the analog digital latency mismatch. Saved me a big headache.
The last two amps sounded absolutely gorgeous!!!
WOW! Did not realize the bit about latency on the digital amps. I have a Katana and don't really like it at all I also have a Fender ToneMaster Deluxe as well as some valve amps. This is good to know while experimenting with them.
Always think about those COSM kind of pedals and where they live in the chain, the only ones I have are delay/echo but there are all kinds of overdrives and such that could set you back a few feet. For recording, you could use a phase adjusting tool to compensate for a couple milliseconds. I used to have cabinets in front of cabinets and tried to lag the front cabinets with some Little Labs IBPs but I realized that only the neighbors could discern if there was any difference. 🐒
I want a red dry rig 😄 Greets and nice weekend... a big fan 👍
Pedals & Friends good one
I was watching this video and the minute you use the high watt amp the very first chord I had was a very emotional response absolutely gorgeous sounding truly very special sound
This is one of your best videos ever. Great job guys.
"Just for the helluvit" I plugged a cable from the second input on my 57 Champ into my Marshall combo. Blimey have we opened a can of worms today my fine feathered friends. I've got reverbs running in the effects loop of the Marshall and the Champ is dry. I blame you ...
So, I thought at the beginning, I guess analogue dry through wouldn't matter in wet,/dry. You put that one away 😁
And, stop it, you've now got me wanting a Marshall Class5
One of your best episodes gentlemen! Well done. And thank you!!
You guys can never stop making videos, EVER!!! Such righteous noise!!!
I'm currently using a roland jc40 as my wet amp and either a Peavey Classic (w speaker & tube upgrades) or a Laney Cub12r (w speaker upgrade) for the dry, depending upon the room. I run boosts and gains into the dry amp only. Delays, reverbs and modulation into the Roland (no gain). But i will try the gain stages into both simultaneously later today. Love the Roland chorus... thanks.
Hiya mate . I’m a Lane Cub 12r user . Fantastic little amp . What speaker did you put in there ? . I know many of the groups suggest a Celestion vintage 30 . I ended up putting a Celestion A type in there along with 5751 pre amp tube for lower gain . The result was just amazing from the stock amp 😀👍
Hi Steven, sounds like a nice rig!
Question, the jc is a twin input amp, have you ever tried to run it wet dry on its two inputs?
Good luck!
@@markandclairethomas2062 Eminence RED COAT 70. Made that little gem of an amp into something truly special.
@@jordmosselman3403 yes. It is a sound, and in a pinch i would run it that way, but the wet/dry sound is something truly groovy. I sound large.
It is actually stereo when used that way. If i had stereo pedals perhaps i'd mess with it more (recent acquisition). But it was purchased to do one thing: to lay that luscious chorus on my wet side. My mxr 95 phaser sounds incredible through this amp too.
Is it me, or does Dan have a Steely Dan-ish tone at 6:35?
As ever gentlemen, great episode.
Ohw!! SUCH a great episode. Made my brain melt and bubble in my skull in the best most wonderful way! I learned SO much today. Thank you thank you thank you!!! AWESOME. You guys are the best! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
I was thinking about doing this yesterday but really never how 2 different wattage amps would work. I learnt a lot and thank you for doing this! Cheers from Canada!
Hello Gents, I run my wet/dry rig through a 20-watt Marshall valve head and an AC-15 head. Each amp is connected to their own 2x12 cabinet with all 4 speakers being the same (and it sounds glorious!). My question is what are your thoughts on mixing different speakers in the cabs? If you think this is a good idea, what configurations would you recommend - 4 different speakers? 2 and 2? etc.?
Late response but You might try out a greenback and an alnico blue. I play my ac15 combo with the stock greenback paralleled with a mojotone British vintage 25w 8 ohm. I find them complimentary with a fuller and more rounded tone. Great for clean or dirty. I imagine the same combination would work well with the Marshall.
@@stuartmurphy8057 Hi Stuart, thanks for the reply. Actually, since my original post, I stocked one 2x12 cab with Greenbacks (for the Marshall) and the other cab with Creambacks (for the AC-15). The idea of mixing speakers in a rig really is a winner to me and glad I decided to do so. Again, thanks for your response. This really is a great community…..👍.
I often use a solid state rotary speaker (Yamaha RA-50) as my wet amp, along with my Dr Z Therapy or Silverface Princeton Non- Reverb. It's epic sounding with the rotary and delay.
That is waaaaaay cool. :0)
thanks guys, another great episode! and Mick, your blue strat at the end there sounded gorgeous! Can't wait to see you guys plus Andy T at The Waterats!!
GREAT SHOW GUYS!!!!!!!! I liked how the GLADIO pedal made it on for a second go. I think I have questions. Going to watch the show again. Thanks again. Go have a pint.
I use a wet/dry rig at home, using a fender bassbreaker and a vox tony bruno 18, definitly not overkill for practice :)
@Logan 5 is also got a (b)assman :p
Do you hear Reverb on the Dry side? Are they using amp reverb, or what?
About 12:40 is where I first heard it.
Would be awesome to see the lovely little AC10 reviewed by you guys😉
AC10's are much more inferior to AC15's, most notibaly the sound and reliability.
I run a wet (Fender 5 watt) dry (Marshall 5 watt) wet (Vox 5 watt) set up. This video answered questions for me that I didn't know I even had. Always the best show.
I'm always in the market for another amp, and I love wet/dry (because of you guys, you introduced me to it)... So this is worth a second watch IN THE SAME DAY :)
Gladio is AMAZING
I am not budgeted for any drives right now, but I am always interested in a stabby tone. 😎
Dan looks like when you were in jr high and you wore an "inappropriate outfit" so they grabbed a t shirt that was 3x too big and made you wear it there rest of the day 🤣
My friend Ryan got to wear his "I'm Going Nucking Futs" shirt exactly once, at which point there was an emergency assembly, and the principal went over the dress code in severe detail.
Problems that only exist in the US...
This was so useful, so many questions answered.....& I've already got the gear I need! Nice one!
Great stuff gents, thanks for answering so many questions!
I always wondered what Pat Metheny was thinking, when he wrote the song "Phase dance". Now I know!
Surphase Tension, by Jorma Kaukonen, comes to mind. 🎸
My friend Dave saw him up dancing on two wah-wahs, but that wasn't part of the set when I met him.
I do this with a Fender Pro Junior & Bassbreaker 007 at home, at very low vil
I do it at home as well. I swap out my Blues Jnr for a Champ600 and run my Laney Cub at
Matt Gilbert
The Pro Jr. is one of the best amps Fender has ever made in my opinion. I owned an original tweed Pro Jr. from the first year of production. I had owned for about 20 years when someone stole it in 2014. It was absolutely mint condition I had never even picked it up by it’s leather handle. I really miss that amp. I also own a Blues Jr. which I had bought a few years before the Pro Jr. was stolen, but I don’t like it anywhere near as much. One a good note I replaced the Pro Jr. with a 1960 Fender Champ and I live it.
I picked up a vox ac15h1tv last month to pair wet/dry with my bassbreaker 15. I have never felt more connected & inspired with my rig. Thanks for introducing me to wet/dry guys
YES! So cool isn’t it!?
So many thoughts, too many to express here. Thank you Dan and Mick and everyone involved in putting together such a great informative, entertaining feel good presentation every time! As many have said, I think its time you guys do an episode where you assemble some of your favorite gear and just sort of play through. Of course some brief breaks for explanations and perhaps some annotations throughout, but mostly just you guys playing through following your inspiration. The icing on the cake as it were, along with all of the trappings of insane gear and your infectiously agreeable banter is the fact that you are both such inspiring musicians. Let the music play!
"Fine for you guys playing at 100 dB, but what about low volume?"
(Switches to two 5 W amps.)
(Plays at 101 dBSPL)
😂
lol, for REAL
This may be helpful--I have a 15 watt orange dark terror head (15W) running to a 2x12 cab and a Jet City JCA2212c (1x12 15W) in a tiny bedroom running stereo not wet/dry (which i personally think is pointless.) I love to crank them and together they can reach painful levels but that's just not realistic. I am using a Line6 HX stomp in 4 cable method (which in stereo is actually 7 cable method) and that allows me to use is Volume control to attenuate the signal from both preamps to the power amp. You don't need an HX stomp or 7 cable method to do this. If your amps have effects loops you can insert any effect with a volume control or any line level volume control (i.e. a studio monitor volume control or line level mixer) between Send and Return and you can, without an expensive load box on the speaker out, fully control the volume output of your rig. Yes it does take the character of a cranked power amp and punished speaker cab out of the equation but, to me, it sounds much better than trying to run an amp at the lowest output it's own controls allow. Works for a single amp too if you aren't interested in stereo or wet/dry.
@@patrickbear6727 About this ... thank you.
patrick bear wet dry isnt pointless
One of my take aways from this was that the 5 Watt amps easily had the volume just not the headroom. Can you gig with a 5 watt amp even without a milking it up? Demonstrably yes.
... as long as you don’t need the headroom. But of course yes!
Also if you can run a 4/12 w the 5 watter it makes a HUGE difference
Slave the Class 5 into the HiWatt 😍
I find certain single ended valve amps have better headroom than others. I ended up w a VHT Special 6 w a bypassed tone stack. Tone stacks usually eat a lot of signal in single ended amps. So bypass and put in a high cut filter. Best single ended common valve is a 6L6.
Transformers matter 2. The VHT has a bigger than usual one probably not a standard one like a Champ's. More balls.
I am not a big fan of the Marshall 5w and think one could do better f the money..
I have 4 amps that I love mixing and matching in WDW / WD / Stereo -- Blues Jr, Class 5, AC15, & Supro 1622RT. Some sweet combinations there.
From your first wet dry wet show off episode, I went out and got two katanas to be wet sides to my orange rockerverb 50. Having a big sky and el capistan go out in stereo with the Orange in the middle....
Utter and complete inspiration. I've played more guitar in the past year than I have the last 20. Its incredible.
Thank you.
Yaaaaaay!
I'm genuinely irritated hearing the A/B of the Katana and Two-Rock... I can't unhear that. It's chalk and cheese, and now my soul knows it too.
Let me tell ya, when your 2 amps are out of phase and you're running in ears and they're panned, the inside of your head explodes
Eeeee nasty.
There's something special about a panning tremolo, sort of unbearable if not restrained, but that's what has drawn me to that precipice on my latest venture, running a couple Boss PN-2s into three PH-1s. I am putting all four channels into a single open-backed cabinet to try and reduce clipping of the brain waves, but this may be a dead-end. Phase fighting is an ugly, broken-bottle sort of thing.
WAIT WAIT.. wait, what happens if you play a sound panned hard one side in headphones, and you play it out of phase panned hard other side? does your brain phase cancel it???
Orange Rocker 32. Two separate all tube 15w power sections in a 2x10 able to run in stereo or wet dry in one cabinet. A great "clean" channel and awesome vintage Orange tone on the Dirty channel. Highly recommended.
I recently acquired a 32. I haven't learned its strengths over a hotrod deluxe or DT50 212 yet. Maybe I need to try it as this W/D platform
@Ted C I would say always match the gain with a bit of volume, otherwise it gets kinda raspy. I find the sweet spot to be around 1 to 2 oclock on both channels. Such a great amp. It loves boosts and "transparent" drives, ala OCD or Timmy. Wet-dry is great, just remember to set your effects to 100% wet and go into the right return jack. I got confused the first time I tried it. Also a vibe pedal will return the best chorus effect this way because one side is dry, just like a JC120. Amazing stuff. Enjoy.
Great episode! I call my rig a Wet - Damp setup as follows. Guitar into a DLS Effects Versa Vibe then into a Lehle Dual that splits the signal. One side goes to a BK Butler Tube Driver then to the Wet Amp, A Mesa Boogie Mk V Combo with a Mesa 2x12 Horizontal Recto Cab. Effects in the loop of the Mk V include a Digitech Hardwire Phaser, Boss Dimension C Chorus, Analogman ARDX20 Delay, GFI Systems Specular Tempus, Walrus Slo, then return in the loop. The dry side out of the Lehle goes to a Wren & Cuff Caprid, then to a Duelist Dual Overdrive, then to the front of the Dry amp, a Victory V40 Deluxe Head that feeds a Mesa 2x12 Road King cab and a Mesa Thiel 1x12 Cab. The Damp part comes from the vibe going into both amps and the two dirt pedals into the front of the Victory V40D. The dirt for the wet side is provided by the Mesa dirt channels, with the exception of the the Tube Driver. For Gilmour sounds I use both the Tube Driver into the Mesa and the Caprid into the Victory. All this sounds absolutely HUGE. It's complicated but in the end it is the sound I have strived for for 40 years.
So now, tell my wife why I need second amp!
Great show guys!
Ask her why she needs a second pair of shoes. And a tenth pair.
The yellow Tele sounds better than the red Tele to my ears!
My wet/dry is a 22w Fender DRRI for wet, and for dry it is a Marshall 20w 2061x. I like how the Marshall thickens things up and how the DRRI remains cleanish and transparent. Together they produce a combined wall of sound, I can play at low at home volumes as well as at gig levels. I also think it is important to play to the strengths of each amp.
Totally awesome. Two magic amps - we can hear it from here!
Hi guys!
I`ve got two Yamaha TRS10.
One original and one Classic.
They are sweet for wet/dry in an appartment.
It`s like a wall of sound at low level.
Very inspiering!
Thanks and cheers!
Missing topic: effects that flip the phase and what to do about them.
I like this - Dan here
That Pedal Show you guys didn’t address it in the VCQ, are you going to discuss it in the future? BTW I have decided to buy a second amp just to try this setup...
It was useful and very enjoyable to revisit this one prior to buying a small amp head to complete my set up at home. To my ears - albeit coming through CZcams via wifi to my iPad and then Bluetooth to my mini Fossi hi fi amp into stereo mission 100w speakers, the two tube amps together had a slight edge compared to the one being transistor, regardless of wattage. A lot of fun to watch the experiment unfold.
Got a hold of a Fender '57 Custom Tweed Twin Amp RI this weekend. Swapped it in for the Supro Thunderbolt as my dry amp and it made a huge, HUGE, difference in the sound. Wet amp Magnatone Panoramic Stereo on both setups. Very pleasing for both setups, but the Tweed Twin is a very "Tweedy" circuit and works in a much different way as it is already crunching compared to the relative high headroom Supro. The 2x12 speakers and the 1x15 also made a big difference in perceived volume. Fun to explore a different setup.
Oh Lads! One of your best shows yet. Thank you. Thank you.
This episode is one of the best ever made! keep on rockin' in a free world.
Guitar University... best way to start my Fridays... 6:30am, cup of coffee... you're a ray of sunshine on a normally grey day out here in British Columbia, Canada.
As someone who owns a Vox 15w Night Train, AC-4, 2w Lil Night Train, and a Carl's Custom Amps octal based 5C2 thank you for doing the segment on the 5, 1, 0.1 watt differences! Completely makes me rethink the setup I wired up a couple weekends ago. Can't wait to try out some different combinations this weekend!
OMG that opening line from you Mick was so reminiscent of your old Job as Guitarist Magazine dvd 📀 editor 😂 in a good way 😁
Great informative show both 👍🎸🎸👊