What Happened To Alternate Draenor After WoD?
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- What is going on with Alternate Draenor after we left it in Warlords of Draenor?
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What happened to the alternate world of Draenor after we left it after Warlords of Draenor?
Even though WoD occurred only a few years ago the actual time that passed on the alternate planet was in decades. As we have seen in the mag'har questline there is an entire new story with old Grommash, the united orcs and the Lightbound Draenei.
We only briefly see Draenor but from what we can tell there is an all-out war that is going on there and we only experience it for a brief period of time. As opposed to all other expansions where we have left but maintained a presence, Draenor is completely different and the planet is in an entirely different state.
All of this is very confusing with the alternate universe and the Warlords of Draenor time travel lore but I do my best to explain what we know while also presenting some speculations.
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Finishing up this series talking about alternate Draenor and what happened after WoD. Do you guys think we will see alternate Draenor again in the future?
I Think We Will
I hope we will. Draenor has the most beautiful places and races in the game.
I think we will with Lightbound being visit one day by Mag'har orcs with newly Horde friends
But, there one thing i just notice when you mention where that the Alt of Draenor now entering the our main azeroth.
BUT, what happened to the Alt version of Azeroth that Alt Draenor orc SUPPOSED invade that planet, since Alt Gul dan transfer to the main that mean kil'jaeden won't created the Alt Lich king, Frostmourne or the Death Knight, Archimonde were kill earlier than it is, which malfurion continue to sleep in the emerald dream, what about Aegwynn, Medivh, kirin tor? soo many thing on list to point out the plot hole in the lore. which you don't wanna those into the video which would be longer than 1 hour video.
soo you leave those out that allow us to notice something amiss in it.
by the way, it very nice learning more of the warcraft lore from this, thank you making those lore video.
Phantom9587 I believe it’s explained that this is more of a pocket reality so there is no Azeroth.
It seems that yrel didn't learn anything in the coliseum
Or this Light Jihad is revenge for the Coliseum.
Or there was a reason everything was happening. We don't know what caused any of that mess yet.
Yrel slavery in Coliseum FREE PORN!
For those of you complaining about how Blizzard is "turning the Light into villains", just consider the fact that, technically, the Light has NEVER been inherently "good". The Light doesn't empower "good" people, but people who BELIEVE that they're doing good. If the Light was really "good", it wouldn't have abandoned Nabundo and the Broken Draenei for accidentally inhaling Gul'dan's demon mist. Nor would it have supported Alliance paladins as they abused and mistreated Orcish POWs after WCII. Nor would it have aided Arthas as he slowly turned on his own men and mercenaries in Northrend prior to taking up Frostmourne (during this time, the Light only faltered in Arthas during the purging of Stratholme, and that was only because Arthas was doubting himself during the battle). Nor would it support Scarlet Crusaders and allow a Dreadlord to infiltrate their ranks. Nor would the Light have aided the selfish Blood Elf paladins in TBC after they imprisoned a Naaru and used its powers for their own purposes. Nor would it turn the Draenei of Alternate Draenor into genocidal zealots. And, of course, the Light wouldn't have tried to violate Illidan Stormrage and force him to do their bidding if it was truly a "good" force.
Point is that the Light is not inherently good, and the Void is not inherently evil. They are opposite sides of the same cosmic coin. Don't believe me? Read some of the lines that the Naaru have said over the years and tell me that you couldn't hear an Old God saying the exact same things. Both Light and Void aid those who BELIEVE, regardless of morality.
Nobundo is already corrupeted by guldan mist, i think it's severe his connection to the light. Paladin is mostly good, some of them who turn to be evil will be abandon by the light. Tirion fordring is example for the light never abandon who believe to it. The light is already living arthas, but arthas blame the light while he should blame himself. Naaru is fragment of light not light itself. Just like us they use light power and they can make mistake, example xera and her alternate counterpart, some naaru is noble, example is a'dal.
I agree with your point though light is power, it can be use to do noble things and not. I think Xera's plan isn't evil, but isn't good either, she forced illidan but for a good things, but still it's not her call. Neither light or dark can be consider evil or good. But mostly people who use light is good, one of them is tirion fordring
@cracked dagger the light was obviously good in the past, saving children and protecting families from torture and death and structuring society around good deeds and honor. The only reason blizzard writers would introduce light as evil is to flip the dynamic, probably toward making the orcs fill the same role and portray paladins and priests as evil schemers and racists. It fits the larger political agenda throughout the real world today. You cannot have anything portraying perceived brown persons in a bad light, so that defaults stories to be twisted unnaturally from their origin. This game has lost many players due to creating the savage horde beasts into honor society with patriarchal hierarchy with no arguments from real world, while alliance becomes soft frail knee jerk idiots with all women as their leaders because the men are written in the game being fools.
Cracked Dagger I do agree with you but if I remember didn’t the naaru willingly give light to the belves?
@@chris8878 dude
chill
@@chris8878while I believe a lot of things are "agenda" driven, I think not everything is. You are projecting too much. Care to give proofs of all your statements? How is it that all the Alliance leaders are women because men are written as idiots? Where?
The Light be like: Hey hey Yrel, the Orcs are destroying the planet, do something!!!
Yrel: DEUS VULT!
A nice bedtime story, thanks.
I WISH alternate timeline grommash hellscrean came with the rest of the maghar army to our timeline
Shawn Oreilly Me too!! 😭😭😭
I want a patch thats called
“Return to Draenor”
So we can ACTUALLY see what happens and clear some of the story
And fuck Tyrel. Consensually. After dinner. Partially drunk. With contraceptives
I have an interesting idea for what happened to the Arakkoa, and it also has some precedence in their own unique history and culture on Draenor:
After the Battle for Tanaan Jungle where we defeated Archimonde, Mannoroth, and Gul'dan, the Arakkoa that had formed the Order of the Awakened offered their services to their Orc and Draenei allies that they Alliance and Horde had aligned themselves with, however when the Frostwolves and Laughing Skull Orcs aligned with the remnants of the Iron Horde, the Order of the Awakened ended up breaking off all ties to the Orcs due to the simple fact that throughout the Iron Hordes' campaign, the Arakkoa were targeted by the Shattered Hand, the Blackrock Clan, and the Bleeding Hollow Clans specifically. And when the Naaru arrived for the Draenei to begin spreading the message of the Holy Light across Draenor, the Arakkoa decided to cut off all ties to the Draenei: the Arakkoa themselves had just came out of a civil war brought about by Light fanatics (the Adherents of Rukhmar), and the Arakkoa had already seen the telltale signs of what the Naaru were going to attempt, and had their confirmations validated when the Lightbound began to enslave the Ogres and the Mag'har. Many of the Arakkoa would retreat to their holdings in the Spires of Arak and start to reinforce it with whatever long-forgotten Apexis technology and research they were able to muster and recover in around 30 years as they patiently waited, hoping that the champions from Azeroth would come to their world once again and stop the encroaching madness of The Lightbound...
Neat story idea
orcs: exist
Yrel: *DEUS VULT INTENSIFIES*
I liked the alternate dreanor stuff. I liked the stories ( though vastly unfinished) of WoD. Just a lot of the alternate dreanor stuff need time and just more to go with it to fill it out. Would definitely like a revisit to it as like a half expansion or something, they really dropped the ball in WoD.
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I think a difference between lightbound and our Draenei is one thing
Lightbound wanna make everyone holy
Our Draenei just wanna have peace
Considering how hacky the current Blizz lorewriters are, there's a good chance they're going to ripoff the basic premise of FFXIV Shadowbringers in a later expansion and have the lightbound be something akin to the sin eaters
@@BroadwayRonMexico Blizzard doesn't rip off shitty games.
@@fistofram5526 explains why BFA has been such a tragedy, they didn't copy "shitty games" for their hot garbage game.
@@rayv98k WarCraft is actually very old, but so is FF.
People bash on BfA because they are degenerates. The battle and combat has been the main problem for fans, not the lore, which is actually quite rich and way better, more original than always the same kingdom shit FF delivers, and btw, this coming from someone who played a few Final Fantasies, and so did my brother.
@@fistofram5526 are you just defending bfa for the sake of bashing final fantasy? Honestly it's one of the weakest version of wow in my 13 years of playing the game. The entirety of the systems gone to shit with class design being identical in function and form. No actual notable difference in classes beside numbers. A rogue, demon hunter and monk use an extremely similar style of build up combo power for bigger sttacks, the lores also gone to shit too you cannot really defend what Sylvanis is doing calling it good writing when she's literally following the same steps Garrosh did 8 years ago, its so similar it's almost agonizing to see unfold. In my day the classes didn't have to do a lot of dps or heal like jesus on a caffeine drip, they just needed good utility to stick out from other classes, paladins had blessings and divine intervention, druids were there to bring innervate, hunters had tranquilizing shot to dispel enrage, and priest had fear ward. All the small things really mattered for making it fun or breaking the game.
This confused timeline together with many plot hole after the defeat of the iron horde makes WoD the least favourite expansion for many people. But then again without alternate guldan there won't be legion.
From what I see, the light seems to reflect life, order and stability; while the void represents death, chaos, and Motion. In this case, too much would likely cause Stagnation and thus things would begin to weather away as things would kept in a ridged manor and be unwilling to change, which is not how a natural ecosystem would function, and could explain why Drenor is dying; there is too much Light over the planet and so the Ecosystem is being choked out. That being said, it would also be bad for there to be too much void, as the constant changing of everything would not allow time for things to grow and nourish, and so we certainly don't want the old gods winning. That's my take at least.
The Old Gods never touched Draenor.
"We trade one villian for another"
I still think about this all the time. It’s so interesting to me.. I want to see how it plays out!
Always love these videos, they are very clear and explain a lot about the lore which I didn't know before.
A question i have is what happened to all those players who quit the game after cataclysm came out? Have they returned to play classic?
Yrel now has a chance to became interesting character. Nice.
fanatic drenai + scarlet crusade remnants = next expansion(evil light invasion of azeroth?)
Thank you for the video!
We must defeat the Light Lords!
Never played retail, and played only Cata in terms of most advanced expansion.
Lore like this is actually not bad.
People are kinda dumb to always bash Blizzard. The lore seems rather good, and does explain things.
I really like the idea of the light being the bad guys in a furire expansion.Yrel looks like she has started a scarlet crusade 2.0
I just hope the planet deletes itself and takes their lightforged asses with it...
The problem with what what is going on is that the Draenor orcs is the entire story line deal was kind of jammed into BFA way out of place instead of going with the Zan Trolls at the start . Im sure we will get tons of story and info later on to help put their story into more context.
But from what I have seen I am pretty unhappy with making Yrel a villain but i guess they wanted to take an allied npc to send down hat path
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I think after shadowlands there'll be an expansion that kinda shows that the light isn't sacret and purely good. I would love to see a war between us and Yrel and the lightbound. In my opinion it would make sense as The Mag'har were literally cast out of Draenor and I don't think Blizzard should just say "Hey yea so they were cast out and that's it, they ain't be fighting back." So In my opinion sowhere in the future there will be an expansion showing us the different sides of light and then the void and Yrel.
You know with all of us going light isn't good (Which it isn't it is a force not a person) but honestly with that conception most surprising thing to happen would actually be like, "Yeah Yrel was right she had a good reason orcs were killing the planet" X'D
Well if the planet of draenor is deteriorating, then I hope it does deteriorate and takes all of those lightforged fucks with it...
Nice video Doron!
Thank you.
inb4 Alternate Draenor becomes literally flooded by the Light and there's an expansion about killing "Light Lords" to bring back balance
I personally don't want to see this timeline back in World of Warcraft. But Star Craft 2 is over and Warcraft 3 Reforged is about to be out. I say let the Star Craft team make Warcraft RTS spinoff of this timeline to fill in the plot holes or retcon. I personally don't see how they will do Warcraft 4 with WoW still going on.
tbh im so okey with the lightbound draenei defeating and taking over draenor ,, especialy since i read Rise of the horde book ..and i know exactly what the orc did to their children and womans with all the rapes and so ,, finaly they can have their revange .
Not sure if rape is indicated in that book. I mean, normally it is in war, but this is warcraft with racial wars and hatred. Lust? Not so much
@@voiavictor well even if rape isnt indicated ,, killing children is more cruel.. so 90% of the orcs are mindless beasts with no brain except the 5 % frost wolve clan and some few few orcs so i realy dislike orcs and i think they deserve whatever happen to em ,
@@voiavictor yeah rape is included, that's why garona ( i hope i'm not wrong writing her name) is born. She is half draenei and half orc
Can you make a video explaining and showing all the plot holes in WoD?
That would be a 3 hours movie
I cannot express how disappointed I am in how Blizzard handled the Light lately.
Why? Light can be evil tho. Good time to show some light'ish deviation imo
@@TheNaruciak11 the light works when one believes that they are doing good.
@@whim6287 i mean, im happy with current plot as we can finally see open war for dominance between light and void, finally seeing that these are equal forces with just diff methods. Well, we have seen it with illidan and naaru cinematic, that the light is twisted and overall, there is not any GREATER GOOD in Warcraft universe, and this is amazing. Pretty much 100 times better than plot where light is good and void is evil, justice shit and stuff.
@@TheNaruciak11 I'm not, they decided to destroy the Light to prop up the Void, similar to what was done with Luke Skywalker in the Last Jedi. It's horrible writing and could have been done without destroying the light.
@@whim6287 to be honest, it would be boring if light would appear as greater good. Poor writing? I would say, the poorest thing one can do in a story is good vs evil.
In regards to Yrel's "dark secret" cut before the release of Warlords of Draenor, it is known that she referred to Velen as her "uncle" during the expansion's alpha. Given Velen's former views of and relation to Kil'jaeden and Archimonde - as well as Yrel's participation in the latter's encounter in Hellfire Citadel - it's possible that Yrel was meant to be the daughter of either Kil'jaeden or Archimonde.
It's possible this concept of a less noble aspect of the character inspired her transition to an antagonist in the Mag'har unlock scenario.
wow.gamepedia.com/Yrel
I thought that alt Draenor was dieing because the Orcs killed most of the Primals. Primals fighting Breakers is what keeps Draenor balanced. If one side goes unchallenged, like with the Sporemounds, the planet will die due to no plant life with the Breakers or drained of all Life Energy by the Primals. Also what about the Arokoa? Wouldn't they get involved in the battle between Lightbound and Maghar, or will the Alliance get Arrokoa as allied races?
It's dying because the Naaru are flooding too much light and killing all shadow.
There must be a balance
in that timeline Lightbound are literally “Burning Legion” od that timeline, consist of different races etc etc.
Just like Legion.
The light reminds me of the 3 main religions we have IRL bad business.
The way you can tell a franchise/ story line is really going to the trash, is when they bring time travel into the play. Let’s just forget WoD ever happened to negate its corruption on the already dying lore.
WOD should be retcon'd
I stopped playing a long time ago but I love the wow lore thanks for the great uploads
Thanks, glad to hear.
Their going to swap alt Dreanor for Outland so the orcs homeworld can be saved. Pretty much happy ending. Also the dranei are possesd by the plants Titan protocols.
My bet is on that as mentioned the timeline's power is at an end and that the Naaru came to harness followers for their crusade of the light in the main universe... I still hope for a merger of Outland and Draenor, just because Draenor looks better and is a world with continents, while Outland has potential as a hub to other worlds(portals) and is more excotic. If the timeline would be simply waved off as dead I would think Blizzard had really gone bankrupt on storytelling...
@Doronsmovies that is more like dimension travel with different time.
I dont understand what happened with Nerzul, He was in the cinematics but not in game?
As far as I'm concerned, this Light Crusade is the Draenei getting payback on the Orcs for the the Iron Horde. Feel bad for the Frostwolves but not Grom.
We are we have went to alternate universe with the Mag har orc quest line
So we still don't know where grommash hellscream be at?
I thought Garrosh joined the Lightbound in another alternate Draenor but now I understand.
What happened to broken isles after legion?
Pretty much belongs to the horde since both Nightborne and Highmountain Tauren have their capitals there.
Leonardo Veras yeah true. Might be awesome tho to see some “city” (like actuall city with vendors bank auction hause etc.) version of suramar and highmountain. It could be done in same way as teldrasil and UC, aka noc that phase u in different version. So version of suramar with wqs mobs etc would still be avaible.
good video
Please let the arrakoa flee dreanor and join the alliance!Please oh please on please.I wanna play an epic tall bird person. = D
Did alternate Sargeras just give up?
While I played through WoD and its story I really didnt enjoy it as I did with other expansions.The story was weak and a lot of characters felt wasted.Not to mention the huge amounts of content that was cut or left unfinished.Honestly I like the idea of the timeline decaying.
And next time in World of Warcraft, The Lightforged are invading Azeroth. Will our Heroes defeat them on their home Planet?
Edit: I tried to imagine a Light version of the Outland.
God bless LFR
i think most would agree that blizzard really dropped the ball with WoD... i mean players live in the main timeline, but when they introduced the alternate timeline it introduced a LOT of plot holes with it. and like you said a lot of the stories had dead ends in WoD because there was no way to connect them with the main storyline... i think blizzard realized that making an alternate timeline made too many "anomalies" (idr the scientific term that says when you change the past, the future has to change also or its an anomaly?) but this happened too many times at the end of WoD and during legion (legion's issues were inherited from WoD's plot holes)... one of the biggest plot holes i like to talk to my friends about is the fact that illidan still exists as a demon hunter but gul'dan wasn't dead yet at the beginning of legion so illidan couldn't have transformed yet (warcraft 3 reference)... lol
i mean the legion timeline and the burning crusade timelines would have been 2 different timelines if blizzard did their storytelling correct, but that's not what happened...
Gul'dan was already dead in our timeline, this was a different Gul'dan.
They didnt travel back in time in the main universe. It was an ALTERNATE time line.
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nothing it died
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I wasn't really happy with the whole light is evil now retcon. It seems the writers want to subvert expectations just like Rian Johnson did in The Last Jedi.
Subverting expectations? I mean Film Theories predicted Rey becoming final villain
Yep
Nothing, Draenor was forgotten about just like the Garrison's from that shitty expansion.
Everyone is hating on this expansion, I personally love it, although the plot is a little messy (who am I kidding, it is destroyed!) the expansion was good, and in the end, alternate Gul'Dan escaped and went to Azeroth and started the Legion expansion, but basically the story of the escape of Garrosh during his trial is that he needed to escape, and Wrathion liked the idea of Alliance and Horde teaming up to defeat one enemy, that's that...
It was terrible in term of gameplay. Pvp was dumbed down and social aspect which were already lacking took a even bigger hit. Terrible expansion and storyline feels silly.
Coulda been great but they gutted that expac.
its kind of a parallel with modern day israel.
I Don’t understand why people are eager to just throw shit at the light. Because you just saw a scene where a Naaru tried to force “her” will on Illidan is that it? You guys need to learn no primal power is good or bad it is just who uses them. Remember Scarlet Crusade? Yeah those guys who used the light to “purge” the land from undead and other races. So that should prove light is bad right? Well no? Because it was the people who used it for their own ends. Same goes with Undeath Lich King used it in a bad way but hey we have forsaken and the Death Knights who helped defeat the lich king so. Void? Lolz bruh I think void elves are the proof that void can be used for good. Even before them players character could use the void to do good.
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@@Doronsmovies it will be cool if the orcs that left on draenor will accept the void/fel to survive the dranei attacks,and maybe akama as rebel against yrel or even big cataclysm on draenor because the old zones sucks players didn't enjoy them maybe blizz can make it feel better
Wod had so much potential but the whole thing was just a bad dead end
Oh... the one expansion I didn't play at all.
Ugh, that entire expansion was a shit show. My least favorite zones to have to level through.