Dave On Jay Leno Vs. Conan O'Brien | Letterman
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- Don't blame Conan.
(From "Late Show," air dates: 9/27/04, 6/1/09, 1/11/10, 1/12/10, 1/18/10, 1/20/10, 1/19/10, 1/21/10)
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And I said to myself 'no-one is blaming Conan'
-David Letterman, comedy assassin
one of the thousand, b
Dave calling Fallon Lonnie Donegan never fails to kill me
It really is perfect!
I laugh to tears almost seeing that again. I think there was another show where Dave had another couple hilarious names inserted for Jimmy and another host.. I'll have to look at the long-form version of this on Don Giller's channel. Actually I think the longer it is, the funnier it is.
In another clip not shown here he refers to him as “Denny Clausen”
@@mrterp04 Yeah! Ha ha! That rings a bell.
Dave had an early read on Fallon. He was absolutely right about him.
I went to Ethiopia for three weeks in January 2010. The night I came home, my brother sat me down and very seriously said, “I need to tell you something”. I truly thought that someone in our family had died - but he wanted to tell me about Jay and Conan!
That is hilarious!
Cool
😂😂😂
I sure hope that you didn't blame Conan...
@@CJFerg81you’re not thinking about blaming Conan, are you?
Dave was on absolute *FIRE* during this entire saga. He was truly at his best.
It was the golden age of broadcasting
So was Conan. I'd say it all worked out quite well for him. Let's be real...people who find Leno funny aren't the kind of people you invite to a party, so Conan wasn't going to work out as well as Leno. They HAD to give him time to bring his younger crowd over and drop off the boomers. Instead, NBC acted like an EPL owner.
@@citisoccerit isnt about boomers either, it is about having more conservative humour, not all boomers are outdated or traditionlists that cannot find joys in newer or different comedy
This is hilarious, but nothing Dave said about the drama of Late Night has ever been true...
Dave never was going to get the Tonight Show. Leno was the main guest host on Carson, and taking the Late Show host (Dave) to replace him was never even an option. Back then the Late Show and Tonight Show were two entirely different animals. If you watched Carson at the time, no one even considered Letterman until he made it an issue.
Now with Conan, Dave is just projecting (albeit hilariously) his past feud and misrepresenting everything again. Leno just liked to work, and NBC executives like people who like to work. So they penciled him in whenever they were lagging. In reality the executives were the dopes and Conan should've just stayed on the Tonight show, at least for a few more years. It would've worked out, I'm guessing.
But in the end everything still worked out as Leno/NBC had the #1 show for years, and Conan ended up being funnier on TBS than he was on network TV. Not to mention NBC didn't deserve Conan, anyway.
@@citisoccer Trashing Leno is so tacky. Great stand ups to this day recognize how great Leno was. Watch Dave Chappelle, Norm MacDonald, Bill Maher, or others talk about Leno. They consider him among the best standups of all-time. I like Conan better, but just because CBS and Conan ran gags on Leno for years doesn't mean they were serious. There is a reason Leno's show was #1.
But yeah, you're probably right about the generational thing. Conan had trouble getting an older audience (and also had trouble with getting a Black audience which is never discussed).
“I’m mocking Jay Leno relentlessly and mercilessly for one reason… I’m really enjoying it”
I don't know. It's just fun.
Letterman's bitterness is legendary.
@@gallery7596 and Leno's backstabbery even more so
@@gallery7596that’s not bitterness. That’s the giddy delight that only the sweetest kind of petty can bring. I loved every single minute.
@@gaylefranklin Heh, well, I wouldn't call it a virtue on his part, but I give a thumbs up to your description of it as being "the sweetest kind of petty."
For those of you worrying, fear not: everyone involved is fine, it's just the 14th anniversary of the debacle. And don't blame Conan.
Parabéns por patrocinar o Vitória, chapeleiro do Fatal Model!
Nóis que voa, irmão @@fernandoguita
You know I woke up today and wanted to start blaming Conan but then I saw this comment, thanks for the reality check.
"Nobody is blaming Conan" 😂
I BLAME CONAN
We all remember when Jay Leno went to Korea and was greeted by swarms of fans like a rockstar because passionate Korean fans had translated his show clips on CZcams. Not to mention all of the amazing interactions with his long time staff, remotes, legendary writing career on the Simpsons, and hit podcast. Oh wait… that’s all Conan - remind who Leno is again? The car guy who used to read news headlines?
*Leno
See! Don’t pretend you don’t remember him. Those new paper headlines have aged as well as actual printed newspapers…. Oh dear.
YESSS
TEAM COCO
A much better stand up 😅
This was peak television at the time. Unfortunately, evil prevailed and Leno got the franchise back. I'm still with Conan.
Please, don’t blame Conan!
@@ottergoose *echoing Dave* "Don't blame Conan." - Paul 🤣
I hope you are not planning on blaming Conan, are ya?
Well in the end Conan is bigger than ever and Leno is forgotten. No one even watches old Leno clips. Conan won everyone’s hearts!
@@KJ-je9pm I guess he'll just go do play spend more time in Vegas.
To watch this comedic drama play out in real time with Dave going into it like a sportscaster with a personal history in the game was a viewer's delight! 🍿🤣
When he says "I'm really enjoying it" it's like he lost 20 years off of his face for a second.
“Yes I’m chicken hearted and yes I’m gutless. But these two characteristics have nothing to do with the current situation.” 😂😂😂😂
"Im telling jokes and making fun of Jay Leno, over and over and over, relentlessly, mercilessly, simply for one reason, and that is...I'm really enjoying it 😄"
I don't know. It's just fun.
Two things always gets me about this situation. David's impression of Leno, and the "I'll be in the lobby" remark lol
Calling Fallon, Lonnie Donegan, is the most hilariously obscure pull of all time.
You can sure see how Dave inspired Norm McDonald’s style.
@@annstevens6223 Can you sell me a hotdog?
Leno Victims Unit was hilarious! Ice T as Carson Daly?!? 🤣
“I’ll be in the lobby if you need me” in Leno voice always kills me
The worst part of the whole debacle was that Jimmy Fallon ended up hosting the tonight show.
You mean Lonnie Donegan
I liked Fallon on SNL, but I can't stomach him on the Tonight Show, Poor Johnny and Ed
Lol, you are so right.
And poor Doc too who is still alive by the way
I think Fallon has been the best for the masses. He's incredibly safe. Kimmel is very mischievous [cough] the man show [cough] and Colbert doesn't even show up on the scale. I think h's the worst on late night TV at the moment. He's just too damn intellectual lol.
2024 - Still not blaming Conan!
Excellent compilation of "The Golden Age Of Television". The only thing that could have made this better would have been ending it with Dave and Conan sitting together on Conan's first appearance back and just being silent. That was the icing on the cake! 🤣
"You know Jay's watching"
The Jay Leno "state of the network" bit was my all-time favourite from Letterman. "No one is blaming Conan" always has me laughing.
To this very day, my name for Fallon in conversations is Lonnie Donegan. I have gotten perplexed looks from people as much as I have gotten immediate laughs from people that remember this. That is how big all this was. Said it once, said it many times and I’ll say it again… David Letterman is the unrivaled GOAT.
2024 - stay tuned for the “Tonight Show with Lonnie Donegan” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“I wonder if I can get a tape over there.”
“Maybe a little late.”
Of all of Dave's great rants...and there have been many...the 'Don't blame Conan' rant may be one of the best.
The Leno impression was killing me. Especially since it sounded like Leno and Mike Tyson had a son together.
Lol thought the same thing
Paul knew from the start that this was never going to work out.
Everyone did
Don't come to a fight with Dave when you are unarmed.
Not smart insulting a comedian with a tv show...
Ice T as Carson Daily was brilliant..
I don’t know why this got posted now…but god bless them for doing it. An incredible saga so gleefully monitored by Dave!
This all took place 14 years ago, in January 2010.
Hard to believe we are 14 years removed from the Golden Age of Television. But the most underrated part of the whole sequence is that Dave was ready and waiting to mock the whole premise right from the jump in 2004 ("I think he said he couldn't take it one more minute so he's stepping down in *2009*).
Yes, it seemed in 2004 like Dave got that Conan taking over the show was not Jay's choice. So these eventual rants are kind of a contradiction. If Dave understood this was a forced retirement, why should Jay have to think about Conan first if *NBC* makes a new offer? That's just a double standard.
@@gallery7596 speaking of double standards. I know this brave internet Cop who protects people from "bullies who use ad Hominem attacks", by using ad Hominem attacks himself such as labelling an entire community as "a cult".
@@ishaangovardhan7430 Another exaggeration on your part. I have made it clear to you before that it's only a certain element within Team CoCo that behave with cult-like adoration for Conan. Not the entire community. If you go on saying otherwise then you're just lying.
@@gallery7596 You called the entire community a cult. We took that as the insult it was. It was only later you tried to backpedal by adding words like "some" and "not the entire community".
@@gallery7596 *Yes, it seemed in 2004 like Dave got that Conan taking over the show was not Jay's choice. So these eventual rants are kind of a contradiction. If Dave understood this was a forced retirement, why should Jay have to think about Conan first if NBC makes a new offer? That's just a double standard.*
But what he's mocking from the get-go is that he *knows* Jay's not cool with it but will bend over backwards not to be "the bad guy" and end up being "the bad guy but still with his NBC overlords." Which is exactly what happened.
NBC chose Conan over Leno, Leno chose to passive aggressively take it in a way where he could weasel back into a situation where NBC might "re-choose" (and they did, they chose Jay via an absurd iron-clad contract in 2008). Once Conan realized he was no longer being chosen (albeit much slower than he should have), *he* did what Jay should have did to begin with: Tell NBC to pound sand and negotiate an exit.
This whole thing was legendary.
I hope nobody here is planning on blaming Conan
We gotta blame him for something
I never get tired of this clip.
It’s some of the most perfect television ever created.
The KOIN traffic reporter bashing Dave will NEVER get old.
"The Golden Age of Television".
I live in Portland now so seeing KOIN as the "Affiliate of the Night" was fascinating to say the least (& something I forgot Dave did). Thankfully no 1 on the current nightly lineup showed up in this clip.
I think someone tried to blame Conan so they reposted this. Don't, DON'T, blame Conan.
Should’ve flashed the year on screen of that first clip: 2004! Crazy that’s how far in advance they announced this transition. Poor Conan.
In 2003 and 2004, Conan was getting other offers, especially from Fox. He went back to NBC and told them he would leave NBC for Fox unless they guaranteed him "The Tonight Show."
NBC told Jay Leno they would renew him for five more years, but after that, Conan would get 11:35. Jay and Conan both accepted this.
Jay actually talked to ABC about coming on before Jimmy Kimmel and pushing his show back. It didn't pan out. So, NBC told Jay he could have 10:00. That way, they wouldn't lose anyone.
It was a loophole Conan's team didn't account for.
@@danieldougan269Jay weaselling his way back in was toxic for his rep, deservedly imo. Like Dave says in this video, he should have taken the ABC deal and competed with Conan fair and square. Instead his terrible 10pm show tanked Conan’s lead-in and Conan never got a real chance to prove what he could do in that slot.
I loooooooooved all of his vs. NBC/ Leno fireside chats
Remember, kids: Don't. Blame. Conan. Please. :)
PAUL: Well....don't blame him.
You're saying this is vintage Jay.
“Hey there, Mavis! Bring me some Quaker State!”
I never understood why Dave thought it was okay to use Mavis Leno's name to mock her husband. What had she done to deserve that?
0:19 Yeah it's apparently "getting to him" LMAO gets me every time
My favorite part... Dave calling Jay "Big Jaw"...
This is why Dave will always be respected and Jay won't. He had integrity and called out nonsense and dishonesty when he saw it even if it ruffled feathers.
While I agree it is a shame he partially ruined his image with all those sexual relations with his women staff. At the very least to some limited extent but yeh.
Yeah it's true, Letterman did the right thing by fellow comedians at least, Dave was a standup guy. The philandering not so good but at least he admitted it.
Truly the golden age of television. Cannot be recreated,even in a simulation
I think this is the most fun I ever saw Letterman have.
That "I'm really enjoying it" lives rent free in my brain.
Arguably one of the best moments in late-night television, despite the situation at the time.
The golden age of television...
This never gets old.
Until today, I had no idea that there was a 1960s Scottish singer named Lonnie Donegan. I thought that Dave just made that name up out of thin air.
This era of late night TV never gets old. Don't blame Conan.
Dave was basically living for these exact moments.
“I’m having trouble staying up this late”💀 Dave is a menace
Conan’s last week as Tonight Show host was some of the greatest television ever.
the writer momentarily walking towards Dave as if he was welcome to do panel was a hilarious touch on that bit
9:53, this is why i love this man
This is just absolutely gold!! Thanks for putting it all together!! Oh the laughs!! 😂😂
You can see why Letterman likes Norm MacDonald. Very similar sense of humor.
And the irony is Norm actually saw Jay's side in that debate, too. He felt Jay was getting blamed for decisions that *NBC" was making.
What if I told you that the person who has replied to you (@Gallery - his comment is either above or below mine) is actually a notorious tr011? Just search "Leno vs Conan" and open up the first 5 videos that come up on CZcams. I will bet my salary that you'll find @Gallery's anti-Conan comments under ALL of those videos. This person has no life to live, so they spend all their time hating on conan online. I was able to trace @Gallery's comment history back to 9 years. He has been doing this for 9 years. THe same old talking points that defend Leno and demonize conan, the same old lies. I've noticed this sick person's comments on like 12 videos so far. He's a tr011 through and through.
Just thought you should know who you're talking to!
I remember this like it was yesterday 😂
The whole Jay Conan thing was just gift to Dave.
What a time to be alive! Classic moment in time. Thanks for letting me relive it.
I love rewatching these! 😂
When Letterman says “I’m really enjoying it” he loses 20 years off his face.
11:15 "Is it any wonder I pound out of bed every morning with a smile on my face?"
That's gold, Dave!
Being of a younger age, I never watched as much as I did during these years, This saga was wild, and Dave's coverage was great.
Im just here for Dave’s impression of Jay
Team Coco was born from this nothing to lose energy. David is the Goat for siding with justice. THERE WAS TALK OF GERBILS!!!!!
Dave´s impression of Leno is hilarious.
Lonnie Donegan😂😂😂
Great edit, Don. Thanks.
This really was the golden age of television.
Dave is my all time favorite, the most organic and fun. Much blessings.
Never gets old :)
"Greatest period of American television."
Just keep living my best life by not blaming Conan.
The golden age of television.
This is GOLD!!! LOVE you DL!!!
The one time when Dave sarcastically said "I don't have a dog in this fight." I laughed so much.
What if I told you that this person who has replied to you (@Gallery) is actually a notorious tr011? Just search "Leno vs Conan" and open up the first 5 videos that come up on CZcams. I will bet my salary that you'll find @Gallery's anti-Conan comments under ALL of those videos. This person has no life to live, so they spend all their time hating on conan online. I was able to trace @Gallery's comment history back to 9 years. He has been doing this for 9 years. THe same old talking points that defend Leno and demonize conan, the same old lies. Relentless.
I've noticed this sick person's comments on like 12 videos so far. 9 years of this, dude. 9 years! Just thought you should know what he is....
Agreed. Yeah, Dave was only an active competitor of "The Tonight Show" who- when Conan took over- quickly became the #1 host in late night. I'm sure that had nothing at all to do with why he didn't want Jay coming back. (chuckle)
"The bungling machinations of the executives at NBC," was possibly my fave Dave quote about this whole debauched corporate screwup. I was literally on the floor every time he continued on about this as he got funnier and funnier. Similar to his stories about why he thought Dr. Phil was a "quack."
I remember Dave had Phil on one night and he said *"can you believe what Jay did?!"* to which Phil replied "he got screwed, too." Dave goes "yeah, well..." Phil looked at him and said "I had no idea you had such pent up anger towards him." I don't think Dave expected to be analyzed right there on his show but it was fun to watch.
Dr. Phil has never "analyzed" a single person in his career. He is a quack. but he said something @gallery likes, so i guess that makes him credible right? If he had said something anti-Leno, then @gallery would be discrediting him by pointing out facts such as his quackery
Oh, what a classic
"In the television industry there are two types of talk show hosts: Jay Leno and those who have been victimized by Jay Leno"
Classic bit.
Leno is for boomers. Dave is for Gen Xers. Conan is for millennials. Jimmy Fallon is for somebody. I still don't know who Carson Daly is.
Fallon is for the NBC execs.
I'd say Conan is for Gen Xers, millennials were still little kids when Conan started out. Dave and Leno were both of the same era.
@@Highlander77 Conan was very popular with us millennials.
Ferguson was for everyone
@@radfatdaddy4169clearly not, lol. His whole appeal was that he was niche. He was too irreverent to "appeal to everybody". I wouldn't be his fan if his show was "for everybody". You made him sound generic and basic
gotta love The Donz. excellent cut and kudos to the team
Lonnie Donegan was the biggest victim of all of this.
Nope he was the only victor actually.
Don't blame Lonnie.
@@penguin44ca Yeah, that Lonnie guy's taken enough abuse.
I like how the current set of hosts is getting along well (Strike Force Five!), but damn do I miss this saga.
You don’t wait in the lobby!
'You don't wait around'... Is the nail in Leno's guilt coffin
Spot on compilation thread, all i remembered was "Don't blame Conan" 😂, always wondered what I missed. Leno's a putz.
Oh man, awesome compilation of 'Leno v O'Brien', thanks! Watch this first then go watch Dave with Conan as guest after he got the boot by Leno (5/17/12).
Great timeline, it puts a smile on my face
The fundamental flaw with this succession plan was that it was a guy in his early 40s waiting for a guy in his early 50s to retire.
Yes, and Johnny went to 65, so how could Jay (still consistently #1) not be disappointed that he's being retired while still in his 50's. Just a terrible plan from the start.
Except Jay's demo couldn't stay up late and Conan was the star the younger people wanted to see.
@@evekurocieru But they also found that during his time as host, the 34-49 year old demo was tuning out after the half way point in Conan's "Tonight Show." They had to get up for work for the next day, and viewers just didn't seem as interested in staying up until 12:35am the way they once did.
It wasn't a good sign to *NBC.*
@@evekurocieru What if I told you that the person who has replied to you (@Gallery - his comment is either above or below mine) is actually a notorious tr011? Just search "Leno vs Conan" and open up the first 5 videos that come up on CZcams. I will bet my salary that you'll find @Gallery's anti-Conan comments under ALL of those videos. This person has no life to live, so they spend all their time hating on conan online. I was able to trace @Gallery's comment history back to 9 years. He has been doing this for 9 years. THe same old talking points that defend Leno and demonize conan, the same old lies. Relentless. I've noticed this sick person's comments on like 12 videos so far.
He is a tr011 through and through.
Joan rivers always said Jay Leno jokes were perfect for sleepy people and people trying to fall asleep
@@gallery7596 Wow even Joan Rivers hated Leno? I didnt even know that lol. Honestly the list of people who DONT hate Leno is so much more manageable than the long long list of people who DO.
Probably in part why he never had Joan on the show.
What if I told you that the person who has replied to you (@Gallery - his comment is either above or below mine) is actually a notorious tr011? Just search "Leno vs Conan" and open up the first 5 videos that come up on CZcams. I will bet my salary that you'll find @Gallery's anti-Conan comments under ALL of those videos. This person has no life to live, so they spend all their time hating on conan online. I was able to trace @Gallery's comment history back to 9 years. He has been doing this for 9 years. THe same old talking points that defend Leno and demonize conan, the same old lies. Relentless. I've noticed this sick person's comments on like 12 videos so far.
He is a tr011 through and through. Just thought you should know who you're talking to. 9 years of this, dude!
After I get off work today I'm gonna have a 4 hour session of blaming Conan
how about a 9-years long session of blaming conan? There's a tr011 in this comment section called @Gallery who has spent the last 9 years of his life inside various youtube comment sections, defending Leno and attacking Conan. I was able to trace his comment history back to 9 years, across more than a dozen Conan vs Leno videos like this one. Check it out yourself: He's just written the latest comment on this video lol! It must be his 17,000th comment ever about conan and leno
The entire story is now known, and unfortunately for Leno-bashing trolls like *bigolbutt1880,* we actually can partially blame Conan for his contributions to the Tonight Show debacle.
@@gallery7596 and even more unfortunately for no-life old men like yourself, you have the VAST majority opposed to you lol. Very few people join you in blaming conan. Very few. You're fighting a lost battle like that old Japanese soldier they found in the forest still fighting WW2, years after Japan had lost
@@bigoltits1880 Your previous comment got two thumbs up, big. Not exactly a resounding show of support.
RE: *"..and even more unfortunately for no-life old men like yourself,"*
Assuming they're alive, do you have a good relationship with your grandparents, big?
Or are they too old for you to respect?
15:40--the reason why to this day I refer to Jimmy Fallon as Lonnie Donegan.
I miss seeing Dave in late night!
Absolute gold
Fantastic!!
Gosh I miss the bearded one! I hear he's in Montana or Wyoming or some such place...Leno comes over to fix his snowmobile and rehitch his snowplow to his Dodge Power wagon. What a guy!!
I thought it was a steam tractor…
He always makes sure to bring a photographer.
Ice-T as Carson Daly caught me so off guard, I cackled at 3 AM
the gleam in David's eyes every time he talked about Leno is the best thing ever :)
This is late night television.
Not what we have today
A thing of beauty
The best thing to come out of the Conan vs Leno Tonight Show fiasco was how much it energized Letterman, Conan and Kimmel. They brought their A-games throughout.