What Number Do I Multiply? SDE, EBIT, EBITDA?

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  • čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
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Komentáře • 49

  • @antoniostephano
    @antoniostephano Před měsícem +1

    Appreciate this topic. I have been investing in real estate and had been confused as to the differences between real estate NOI and "cap rates" and other businesses that use EBITA and so on. Thank you for shedding light on this confusing topic.

  • @patrickwilliams7552
    @patrickwilliams7552 Před 2 lety +2

    Great content thanks man! Just got a new sub.

  • @burtonic2641
    @burtonic2641 Před 2 lety +3

    Good one - brings a lot of concepts together

  • @msway836
    @msway836 Před 2 lety +1

    Like the point you made about Risk, that every Business is on their Way to Obsolescence, get in Increase Value and Sale/Flip it in 2-3 years...

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před 2 lety

      The point is that you need to innovate all the time. Long-lived businesses are not doing the same thing as 100 years ago. If you get in and increase value, you'll realize it's more lucrative to keep it. Selling is almost always personally motivated in the SME space.

  • @dangalbraith6187
    @dangalbraith6187 Před 2 lety +2

    Incredibly timely David! I was just going over the financial statements for a company here in NB I'm considering buying but between cashflow, EBITDA, SDE, etc I'm a little overwhelmed. We may be talking in the near future 👍

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před 2 lety

      Would love to help out Dan. My email is easily found over at www.DavidCBarnett.com or find me on Linkedin. Cheers.

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    @markallen8254 Před rokem +1

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      @DavidCBarnett  Před rokem

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    • @snorttroll4379
      @snorttroll4379 Před rokem

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  • @rubenrodriguez5612
    @rubenrodriguez5612 Před 2 lety +2

    Hello David, great content, thank you for your videos. Question on consulting agreements: “For Main Street or lower middle market deals, after the typical 30-day transition period post-closing, what are the typical consultant agreements between sellers and buyers you see post-closing? In terms of duration of the agreement, payment terms, and overall involvement of the seller?” Thank you!

  • @Kingdia97
    @Kingdia97 Před 2 lety +1

    Dave can you please a course on accounting for small business owners ( for ppl that don't have an accounting/business background at all).

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před 2 lety +1

      There are a lot of people teaching accounting online. If your goal is to understand financial statements (reading the reports of how businesses are doing, either to analyze or manage them) then you'd gain immense knowledge from doing my cashflow forecasting and business plan program over at www.BizPlanSchool.com Over the course, you end up building a complete set of financial statements and projections for a business.

  • @skesno309
    @skesno309 Před 2 lety +1

    Love your intro now.

  • @user-xi3yv3tw1b
    @user-xi3yv3tw1b Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks for this great information. When valuing a business using SDE, is it common or expected to add on equipment and normal operating inventory?

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před 2 měsíci

      No. The number is the value of the cash flow and should include everything required to make the business work. So equipment is included and inventory is more complicated. I have a video all about it here: czcams.com/video/X6L_dS2gRYs/video.html

  • @behindthelast4198
    @behindthelast4198 Před 2 lety +2

    Hello David thanks for the video. I was thinking if you can talk about Royalty Financing like Kevin o Leary does from shark tank. Its where you get a percentage of the sales from the business for a agreed upon amount of time and a small portion of equity. I was wondering if you know what that is and can you talk about it in the future, Again thanks.

  • @penelopekeys8911
    @penelopekeys8911 Před rokem

    Can you please explain what the abbreviations stand for, in your video

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před rokem

      Sellers Discretionary Earnings, Earnings Before Interest and Taxes, Earnings before interest, taxes depreciation and amortization.

  • @bedokboy75
    @bedokboy75 Před 2 lety

    Good stuff David.
    What do you say to biz owners who erroneously want to add their business property on top of the final amount?

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před 2 lety

      I would say that if they've done a proper job of normalizing the fair market value of the real estate by adding a rent expense to the income statement that adding the value of the real estate to the enterprise value is not an error. You should do my Business Buyer Advantage program to learn this in-depth. Businesses and real estate are two distinct classes of asset which are valued in different ways, you don't want them mixed together in the same equation unless it's in one of a few categories where the building IS the business. ie mini-storage, hotels, motels, special care homes, or immovable industrial installations like sugar refineries. Learn more at www.BusinessBuyerAdvantage.com Cheers.

  • @azulmarineintl.5346
    @azulmarineintl.5346 Před 2 lety +1

    I wanted to know about a bit more regarding ... retained earnings and price ? the issue for me if there is large amounts retained plus in a share/stock purchase a requirement if warranties&indemnities is obligatory.. but what are your thoughts on this of end price ? R.E's + valuation price ? I feel that EV + R.E's is excessive at closure or price agreement, thoughts ?

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před 2 lety +1

      I think this is a great question for a video. Stay tuned...

  • @AdamEgret
    @AdamEgret Před 26 dny +1

    Knucklehead's not such a knucklehead after all.

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před 24 dny +1

      Please don't be mean. I really like you.

    • @AdamEgret
      @AdamEgret Před 24 dny

      @@DavidCBarnett I was hoping it would come across as a funny compliment. No offense knucklehead.

  • @marcojosezgimenez
    @marcojosezgimenez Před rokem

    If you base buying price on SDE and EBITDA x multipliers do you add back working capital (assets -liabilities) on top of that?
    If not
    How do you value the property/machinery/ receivables still outstanding in the business?
    Or are you thinking that will double count the buying price, since you won't get the aforementioned SDE and EBITDA without the underlying property/equipment
    Assumption is that the equipment is not fully depreciated

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před rokem

      What you're buying is the cash flow. The price you pay needs to include everything you need to make the cash flow flow. Check out this video: czcams.com/video/X6L_dS2gRYs/video.html

    • @marcojosezgimenez
      @marcojosezgimenez Před rokem

      @@DavidCBarnett had a follow up question on your video. Appreciate the insight

  • @babupotunak4854
    @babupotunak4854 Před 3 měsíci +1

    if you could explain with some good examples with some numbers would really help

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před 3 měsíci

      Watch this video: czcams.com/video/E0IEGtsIE1o/video.html cheers

  • @stjepanvidovic7193
    @stjepanvidovic7193 Před 2 lety

    I am calculating SDE & EBITDA for one of my partners...As the business is digital, company doesn't have much COGS and when I get the result SDE is higher than the revenue...And partner is asking how can revenue be lower than earnings? So started to wonder if I am doing it correctly...For example, revenue is $400K and SDE is $450K

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před 2 lety

      Your partner is correct, that is impossible.

    • @stjepanvidovic7193
      @stjepanvidovic7193 Před 2 lety

      @@DavidCBarnett yep, we figured it out. Mistake with data. But is it good if the difference between revenue and SDE is really small? For example if revenue is $330K and SDE is $325K? Is is showing some negative trends or?

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před 2 lety

      @@stjepanvidovic7193 It just means that there are very little expenses. But, if you have a partner, then the SDE should not be close to revenue if you're both working in the business because an SDE is only for one full time working owner/manager. If two owners work in a business, then one of them has to have the FMV of their labor in the salary expense. You can't have two owners in SDE. Common mistake I see often.

    • @stjepanvidovic7193
      @stjepanvidovic7193 Před 2 lety

      @@DavidCBarnett Thanks for that. Have one more Q for you: We have 3 LLC's ( different subsidiaries) ..Also the companies are, so to say tax free..and didn't pay any interests....and the business is digital so there is only amortization (intangible assets) to use in equation for EBITDA & SDE? Nothing physical in our company (remote based)

    • @snorttroll4379
      @snorttroll4379 Před rokem

      @@DavidCBarnett why do we talk about these kinds of terms rather than just the debt service number, which would be real cash flow, money you can burn in the fireplace (if it was legal) or donate to charity (if it isnt marketing)

  • @minutescouldsaveyoupercentormo

    This goes as well for US companies ?

  • @snorttroll4379
    @snorttroll4379 Před rokem

    BArnett'§!!! You have to pay interest, so that money is not available to service debt. why on earth is the 'I' part of those numbers?

    • @DavidCBarnett
      @DavidCBarnett  Před rokem

      Because your interest expense will be different than the seller's historical interest costs.

    • @snorttroll4379
      @snorttroll4379 Před rokem

      @@DavidCBarnett I dont get it. we are looking for what ... ah. now I might get it. his debts will be refinanced at new terms when you take over and you will have another expense?. But still. you wont have no interest payments so you still should not be paying a multiple of that number. you have to see what the cash flow will be after taking over. Isnt it better to just see what the business can burn in the fireplace now and base stuff on that?