Did "The Process" Actually Work? | Ben Simmons and JJ Redick
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- čas přidán 23. 09. 2022
- In this clip, JJ Redick and Ben Simmons discuss 'The Process' that occurred in The Philadelphia 76ers organization.
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JJ, not to get into the details here…let’s just say that as a Sixers fan, I’m not a huge fan of what’s happened with Ben Simmons in the last 18 months. But I respect the hell out of both of you for sitting down and having these difficult conversations in an open forum. There are only a handful of people who have the perspective each of you bring to this discussion.
@@bcschneider53 Appreciate it, Ben.
@@JJRedick Appreciate you JJ for appreciating Ben.
@@JP-jd5vz After much thought... appreciate that JP
The process was successful, you can’t plan for a buzzer beater on a game 7 or a guys mental health collapse, but they had good players put together.
Well said
As a Sixers fan since before the Iverson era i think the process worked. After the Iverson era we languished in the bottom half of the east playoff teams and barely scraping by .500 and then we get middling picks. We were stagnant and now the last 5yrs we've been contenders!
Nah the process failed. Y'all can't make it past the 2nd round😂
Agree.
Haven’t got past the second round at all. Not contenders
2019 sixers had Joel embiid, Ben Simmons, jimmy butler, Tobias Harris, and JJ Redick. This team was deep. Dario Saric, Covington, Corey Brewer, Boban, TJ McConnell, Landry Shamet. How is this not a super team? The process worked. No one talks enough about how Brett Brown failed. Maybe I’m just a casual fan but Jimmy and Ben didn’t seem to play together all that well
I hardly call four losses in the conference semifinals in five years being contenders. Being a top eight team out of thirty is better than not, but there is a huge gulf between top eight and top two.
They didn’t announce it as “the Process”. But it worked for Boston, since they made the finals. It didn’t work for Philly because of injuries, and they got rid of Jimmy to keep the young guys happy
No Jimmy left on his own..
Miamis process worked too. Undrafted free agents, development, and end of the lottery guys. Everyone has a different philosophy of what the process is but I think we can say philly’s process was a failure
@@realmontana6838 jimmy left because Ben was complaining
@@realmontana6838 they really gave Jimmy no choice, they basically got rid of him
@@realmontana6838 I thought they pick Tobias over Jimmy?
The pacers got to the conference finals twice in the last 20 years. Philly hasn’t been out the second in the last 20 years, that’s the difference
both ended up with no chip tho so it makes no difference lol
@@jasongranados9593 philly isn't over
@@jasongranados9593 but at least the pacers did more than philly.
The Pacers couldn’t do that without Paul George. The Sixers post AI had players like Thad Young, Iggy, Lou Williams, young Jrue Holiday, Andre Miller, old Elton Brand. Good players, not championship needle movers. The process was done to increase their chance of getting a big time needle mover, in the tier at or above Paul George or Kawhi Leonard for example. They ultimately netted Joel Embiid and gave themselves a puncher’s chance each year. It’s not typical to find those type of guys in picks 14-20 of the draft and Philly could not attract big free agents post AI
Fax
In a separate thread, we're discussing Hinkie as a guest (and people seem into it). Who else would you all like to see on the pod?
YES. Again, as much as I may disagree with some of what he might say, I would LOVE to hear from Sam and get his thoughts on how things went down over the years...
In terms of who else...Marc Zumoff would be a really great one if he's up for it.
@@bcschneider53 Could be interesting.
Lebron James
Mj?
He's right though. I remember I went to a game before and their best player was Robert Covington💯. Jahlil Okafor was on their team but he was injured. Ben and Embid definitely put life back in the city.
Okay but “the process” was the reason that team was so devoid of talent, because everyone got shipped off in favor of losing
@@poisonoak2719 I don't disagree with you at all but that's not on Ben Simmons. A lot of fans was hype af before the draft because they knew they had a chance to get Ben Simmons. 💯
@@SonYaban oh I feel you, I wasn’t tryna say any part of that was on Ben, just saying the process fixed problems created by the process in the first place
Compare Simmons to Siakam. One org tried to improve by purposefully losing and coddling their best players, while in that same time the other built a culture of accountability and trying to improve. Both cost their teams a playoff series (Hawks and Celtics). One guy quit, and the other held himself accountable.
The process encourages a mindset of only thinking you can be highly successful if you have what seems like the easiest and best options GIVEN to you. While Simmons should've been learning about what he can control and improve upon like Siakam, or even his now MVP caliber former teammate, Embiid.
I see a Wiggins kinda comeback coming with Simmons.
The process worked in theory
however... "the best player in the draft" may not always be the best player fit wise
Even so... every draft has that one underrated sleeper player or a once in a lifetime unicorn that falls in a draft that misses other teams' radar (i.e Jimmy Butler, Bam Adebayo, Giannis, Kawhi (to some degree))
But that's just my hot take / opinion, up for debate
You know I just got me a Ben Simmons 76ers bobblehead the other day.
It’s a rare never distributed one that was only given away to season ticket holders in 2019.
The guy wanted it gone so bad, he sold it to me for $8 bucks 😂
I thought the punchline was going to be that the guy wanted it gone so bad that he paid you $8 😂
lmao
The process never took off 🤣
Yea it worked they went from worst team in league to playoff team every year. The Process still going on as long as Joel there
guys guys guys, the process was just the friends we made along the way!!! 😂
They haven't even got out of the 2nd round since A.I. and somehow the process was a success lmao
the Process to me was just obtaining buzz around the league and at the end of the day, just a what if era. similar to your clippers team JJ, astronomical talent but should’ve at least been to 1 finals
Doesn't sound like you understand the "process"
@@shadow_realm47 the process means rebuilding the 76ers were injured almost every damn near one team wins every year they just get more hate then the other 29 teams
LOL at that Pacers 20 years jab LOL!
We love you JJ
❤
Kinda wish you'd talked a bit out Brett brown's influence on Simmons.
Feels like Brown got thrown under the bus to keep someone(s) happy, after years of putting up with coaching awful 'process' lineups, but in no way has Doc actually done a better job.
The process was needed after the Andrew Bynum failed gamble. They traded everything thinking Bynum would be their centerpiece and he didn't play a single game for them. They were making the second round with Iggy as their star already.
The Process is working. It was about bringing basketball back to life in Philly.
Raptors live in that 76ers team's head rent free #WeStillChamps
Yeah, "The Process" failed. The goal of the process was to win a championship, and they haven't done that yet, until they accomplish that goal, the process is a failure. This team tanked for 5 straight years, from 2013 to 2017, in those 5 years they had 5 lottery picks, who were:
2013 #11: Michael Carter Williams
2014 #3: Joel Embiid
2015 #3: Jahlil Okafor
2016 #1: Ben Simmons
2017 #1: Markelle Fultz
only 2 of those players became All-Stars. The Sixers since 2018 have been a 2nd round exit, there are teams who didn't tank for 5 years and accomplished more. JJ mentions the Indiana Pacers, but that team ended up going to 2 Conference Finals and took the Miami Heat to 7 games. There are teams the last 5 years that have accomplished more than the Sixers (winning the championship or making it past the 2nd round) without needing to tank for 5 years. Not saying it's over, if the Sixers win a championship in the next few years, the process will be successful, but at this moment, it's a failure.
The Process is just multiple season tanking, just common sense.
Building through the draft by getting a lot of high picks.
I wish the Knicks had such common sense.
It is also committing to a player or two and letting them know that they will build around them. Aka Joel.
Look at the knicks and kings… they’ve essentially committed to tanking and drafting yet have gotten absolutely no where. They haven’t committed to building around anyone (except Demarcus cousins but we all know how that turned out).
Okay, so since 2014 when the Sixers started " The Process," the Warriors have six Finals and four titles while getting Kevon Looney, Jordan Poole, James Wiseman, Jonathan Kuminga, and Moses Moody in the draft and Wiggins in a trade. Have the Sixers drafted better players in those eight years?
If an organization is poor at drafting and developing, they will not become contenders. Even if they keep having lottery picks. Yeah, it is always hard to know for sure how a player will turn out, but I would not trade the guys the Sixers still have or got in trade for their drafted guys for the guys the Warriors have in the same period.
Lots of people have their own ideas of what the process was. It was Hinkie's plan, so the way that he defines it is what it was. Being a contender for multiple years and maximizing your chances to win a title was the goal. And that's what was done. It was a success
The strategy of Sam Hinkie and Sixers front office was of course successful. That rebuilding strategy always existed but he turned it into a more radical and effective way.
Look at the amount of assets Phill possess at the moment and watch Utah , OKC and NOP are doing. Becoming a champion cannot be the only metric.
I have lots of respect for JJ Redick - Raptors Fan
The pacers have been to more conference finals than the 76ers this century lmfao
What about the last ten years?
@@TW0man4RMY they made it in 2013 so yes in the last 10 years as well lol
@@TW0man4RMY 2013 and 2014
@@TW0man4RMY dude please
Facts lmao
Dude just said to his face, our best players didnt perform at their best lmao love jj
Ben didn’t even mention James harden when mentioning players pass and present in philly 😁
Damn Ben immediately agreeing on the 76ers missing picks…he probably thought he’d be diming up Tatum & embiid his whole career lol
This is facts Ben
I think it worked he’s right casual fans always define it by championship’s always ignoring the fact that you need luck and you everything to go right to even get 1. Some stuff is self inflicted 2015 bad pick with okafor and some stuff is out your control 2017 Markelle fultz getting hurt embiid hurt for 2 years.
Now they got James harden and are at least in the mix to win as opposed to before. It’s like the clippers it easy to say they’re second round chokers but kawhi and PG aren’t there if it weren’t for Lob City.
What is a JJ Redick prime?
Reason why it failed was bc of Ben. In order for a process to begin you must progress. Ben been the same player since LSU.
It failed because of bad picks and bad trades. Okafor was never meant to pan out and never made sense to waste a number 3 pick on him. Fultz was supposed to be a hit, but he ended being a bust. And then later on the Bridges fiasco is looking even worse. On top of that, trading for Tobias never made sense. But then choosing Tobias over Jimmy truly ended up being the final nail.
Ben honestly was a great pick and was the only pick they could make with the number 1 overall. His main issue isn’t even that he never wanted to develop a shot, it’s his ego of being a point guard. If he would have settled into a Draymond Green role and allowing Jimmy to run point, Sixers would have won a chip that year.
@@kobedoe3120 even with all those failed picks they still had a chance to win a championship 2 years (19&21) yet we couldn’t bc he refused to get better
@@theprocessss Right. My main point is that Ben doesn’t actually need to improve. He is an elite passer and defender. But he needed to accept that his skill set without shooting makes in a traditional power forward instead of a point guard.
What? You had a #1 overall pick, Fultz, who did absolutely nothing.
Meanwhile Simmons was All NBA.
Depends on your definition of success. If success is 'tank, get high draft picks, and get back to the playoffs quickly with your core' then yes.
If success is 'become a title contender with your drafted core' (i personally lean towards this line of thinking) then no, it hasn't been successful.
Ben is dope! Head up, G!
The process is working, but the front office messed up when it traded Butler out. That was their best chance to win the chip.
The next best chance is this year. The Philly roster looks damn good this year.
Hey hey, easy there JJ we finally hit the reset button in Indiana 😂😂
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I see a Wiggins kinda comeback coming with Simmons. Maybe even a tad better
Being honest, the process was a fancy way of saying tanking and rebuild. Nothing earth shattering about it.
Good players HAVE wanted to play there, but weren't kept around. Dating back pre-Process (and excluding you and Ben), Jimmy, Iguodala, Jrue, Vuc, Richaun Holmes, Mikal Bridges, RoCo, Jerami Grant, Christian Wood, Ilyasova, Shamet, Thad Young, etc. all passed through the organization to then do better on other teams. Let's not even talk about the weird similarities in the way Fultz and Simmons left.
Philly could have a perfect draft record, but their development and management haven't been good. It's interesting trying to square your thoughts on the Process here with the way you and Jimmy were talking about the team in that interview the season after you both left.
Never forget Sam Hinkie, the real GOAT 🐐The architect of the whole thing
Would you guys be interested in Hinkie as a guest?
@@JJRedick yes!
@@JJRedick Please make this happen. Sam Hinkie deserves a chance to speak from a larger platform and potentially find a new job in the league.
Is it just me or did Henke get blackballed from the league ? You’d think he’d be the most sought after exec in the league. He started this whole trend of full on tanking , which has now become the standard for bad teams and praised by everyone ( see; Sam Presti).
The random shot at the Pacers coming from JJ is pretty surprising. The early 2010s Pacers were better than and more successful than his LA Clippers. They were in back-to-back Eastern Conference finals against the Heat (losing in 6 and 7) and had the best record in the East in 2014. How many conference finals did the Clippers make? Also if we are going to take the "last 20 years" seriously, the Pacers had real shots in 2004 (Best record in NBA) and 2005 (Malice at Palace).
Wonderful. Now it's 8 years later. Where are you now?
In the middle. Philly had a worst start than you in 2014. Why is Philly better than you now?
See the difference? That's the Process.
The Process rebuilt a team from the rubble within 3 short years.
Pacers failed to do that in 8 years or so, and the Knicks failed for like 20 years.
It worked, it's a resounding success. Even the Lakers took 6 years without going anywhere until Lebron and AD came there and won a championship.
Boston never went through the process. They never sat there and planned to lose. Boston fans and media won’t stand for that. Even when Ainge was building towards the 08 title team they always had the star, Paul Pierce, and they never tried to lose games. Even this finals team never had bums and tried to lose like they did in Philly. They signed Hayward, traded for Kyrie, had little Isiah Thomas lighting it up. They stayed in the playoffs. The process is just gutting the team of all veterans and trying to lose. No team that has done that in the NBA has won anything. Philly still hasn’t gone as far as they have before their process.
so what about OKC that deliberately lost every year since Westbrook left? why is nobody castigating them for that?
@@kaysheye7784 They made the playoffs the year Westbrook left with Chris Paul, Shai, and scraps.
@@UncleJrueForTue they had no injuries unlike the 76ers
How can the process be a success when the 76ers haven't got out of the 2nd round since the Allen Iverson era?
JJ interview Jimmy butler or Joel embiid now
JJ you I didn't realize you worked for Ben Simmons
the process is still going
The process ended when Simmons got traded. This is no longer the process.
@@zsoltszegedi8995 joel is still there, and the process was to get really good players, they used simmons to get harden, its still going
@@shehtazruslan Harden needs to redeem himself this season and Embiid always gets injured. They need to atleast go to the ECF once to call the process a success. Yeah Embiid is an MVP caliber player but it doesn't make the process a success if they never get close to winning a chip. This is where I stand on this.
@@zsoltszegedi8995 imo the process has been relatively successful to many other teams, and if hinkie was in charge maybe he wouldve drafted someone better than Fultz. If Joel ends up winning a chip with the 76ers then I'll consider the process a success
@@shehtazruslan fair enough
The process is supposed to be building a championship team not being “pretty good”
The process was supposed to make Philly a contender and bring fans back to the sixers. It worked. We still have joel, we can definitely still win too
I still can’t get down with intentionally losing. Call me crazy.
That's the flaw of the draft system IMO. When you watch your team stuck as the 15th best out of 30 teams for a decade plus, you start to like it more. Take it from me, a Sixers fan. If the league wants to stop it, then they need to find a different system for how drafting works. If that's going to be the system, then I just view it as a strategy for building long term success: you stink for a few years in hopes that you create a perennial contender for the following decade plus. I still don't regret the Process despite it not panning out. The last five years of Sixers basketball have been the most interesting to watch since they were in the Finals in 2001.
I'd rather have the 6'ers last 5 years than like 20, prob 25 other teams in the league, and even now, I think they're still gonna win like 55 games.........
Yep.
Exactly compare charlottes last 10 years to Phillys last 10 years gimme Phillys 🤷🏾♂️.
You expect a #1 overall pick to retire with the franchise. Ben couldn't take the criticism from the layup n took the easy way out. Hell do the same thing to future teams
Bro plays defense can run the court like lebron n he 6’10 y’all trippin would be glad have him on suns I don’t need him to shoot if he doing everything else on high level
Nah not like Lebron
I thought the process was tanking for high picks lol
No. The Process started because Philly was stuck in mediocrity and couldn’t get out of the second round. After winning 47 games in three seasons from 2013-16, the Sixers still can’t get out of the second round to this day. They also missed on most of their draft picks, only one they really nailed was Embiid. Then they prioritized Brett Brown and Tobias Harris over Jimmy Butler.
Also, do you really think the 2019 Sixers would have a) beaten the Raptors in OT, b) beaten the Bucks, AND c) beaten the Warriors? I don’t blame Hinkie for trying it, but the Sixers really haven’t even come close to the ultimate goal of the Process: winning a championship.
Respect the take. We mention a bunch of the ways The Sixers failed in the video so you're certainly not wrong about some of their failings. Where we probably disagree is defining the goal of the process (which we believe is to be put in contention).
@@JJRedick And that’s a fair take! My counter would probably be that post-2001, the Sixers seemed to have a second-round ceiling. It’s been almost a decade since Hinkie came on board and and they now seem to have the same problem. Have the teams been better on paper than they were pre-process? No doubt. But if the results haven’t been there when it matters most, how much has really changed?
Really appreciate the response. Keep up the good work, you’re one of my favorites on First Take!
29 teams fail the process every year if you’re gonna be ringless anyway would you rather be the knicks past 15 years? Or OKC the past 15 years? Yes every team makes self inflicted bad decisions I.e. trading James harden, owner being cheap to pay harden and ibaka, having guys like Andre Roberson and Thabo Sefolosha who didn’t space the floor for KD and Russ. But also luck contributes to them not winning as well Russ and KD Getting hurt in 2013-2015.
I dont understand the pacers jab, they build two incredibly strong teams that both reached the conference finals. If the malice at the palace didn't happen that team could have contended for years. Plus you have to give Reggie credit for sticking with the franchise. I think the pacers have done a fantastic job in a small market. If i think of terrible franchises of the last 20 years Sacramento, Minnesota, Orlando and especially the NY knicks come to mind. And even more interesting, the pacers won 10 more playoff games compared to Philly over that span (also 10 more than sac, NY and Min combined)
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short answer no
Short answer yes
I hate the way some people look at this kind of stuff. The process has been a success because philly has had hope to contend. Do you know how easy it is to be a franchise with one playoff appearance every 5 years and that one is a first round exit? I want fans of teams like philly and portland the last decade to be proud of the team theyve put out there and have a lot of success even if that means you didnt get a chip. To me the chip isnt everything. But thats the minority unfortunately and some great players(like carmelo)who have accomplished a lot in the greatest baskeball league in the world are mocked by some people who only see how many rings they have.
Ben Simmons is one of those players, that people don’t respect until they’ve retired. Magic didn’t have a jumpshot until his 5th year
After all this, I would have no problem moving on from Ben Simmons lol he’s too much.
That’s the world now weakness is rewarded instead telling people to keep pushing u bitch like it was when I was a kid these dudes nowadays wanna be coddled and praised constantly but if u hold them accountable your wrong
The process didn’t work and won’t work in the future.
As of now the salary cap is the same for drafted vs signed players on a team. There’s no advantage to drafting players if LA can just get 3 superstars
lol... you forgot TANKING to get those picks
I would say The Process is a failure so far. The team tanked so hard for lottery picks in 4 years, and couldn't even make the conference finals in the east after Lebron went to the Lakers. Philly isn't even a small market team like Indiana, and yet the Pacers managed to go to the conference finals twice before losing to the Miami big 3 in the past 10 years
I hate this topic because "The Process" ended when they fired Hinkie. As soon as they kicked him out, they drafted Fultz and wiffed on other draft picks, gave Tobias Harris superstar money, and overall just became the dumbest franchise in the NBA. They did Hinkie dirty, and the worst part is, a ton of other teams have their own "processes" going on, only more subtly.
Just imagine Embiid, Tatum, and Ben Simmons together. Geezus.
I mean Philly is in good shape now. Their bench depth and talent, which was their biggiest issue last season. They would put up points then lose leads cause of their bench. Their starting core needed more chemistry and they have a whole off season to build it up. The sixers will be special this year no doubt
I think this interview helps him a lot.. the problem everyone had when he didn’t play was he never spoke to anyone so everyone drew their own conclusion
Nah, the problem was he never shot...this interview does nothing to resolve that
@@christopherhorn1161 So that's all that counts in basketball, shooting? Simmons is and always has been a low usage, highly efficient all round player. He will make any team he's on better.
@@CM-ft9ep the dude has GOAT talent...I'm not giving him no breaks...he could be as good as Giannis
Raptors >>>
If ure dissing the pacers and sitting there being happy ure not in love with basketball which means u will be good but never close of the word great no team should tank idc if ure like okc u think it’s real smart but ure relying on scouts who never reached the nba level or at most retired athletes who is not on the court with u u need that guy in ur private live a brotherhood coaches could do that but like not all could do that if I was like a gm of okc I would trade for a guy like cp3
And time is money if u say oh well we’re going to contend in like 5 years the people are 27 28 they going to have to learn iq how to play with one another in the playoffs since u didn’t make the playoffs like it will be so hard for them to learn it within a year where every casual fan including media and then u might even break up just due to the fact organization didn’t build the culture from the beginning
Any success that Philly had is in spite of the so called “process”, in my opinion it’s honestly moronic to think the process was a success when you have 0 conference finals appearances and only one of your highly drafted prospects actually worked out, and even that was because circumstance made him develop and improve his game away from the team. If you’re idea to build a team is to be bad and draft elite prospects it’s kind of important to develop them in to elite players at the next level which Philly has been terrible at…
TBF, the Process was cut short when the league forced out Hinkie from the GM spot, since he was the one who started it. Yes, Okafor and Nerlens were Hinkie's picks and they did not pan out, but everything from Fultz, to the Jimmy Butler/Harris situation, to the Horford contract, to the mismanagement of Ben Simmons, etc. was the work of the people who took over after Hinkie's resignation.
@@sgshumblecrumb6046 you’re right Hinkie was forced out, but the coaching staff and therefore the development staff was still of Hinkie’s construction, so I still put the blame for Fultz being a bust and Simmons not developing in to the player he should be on Hinkie since he hired Brett Brown to begin with.
Before ‘the process’, the 76ers was a rubbish team. In that sense, the process worked. But they didnt fully reach their potential and part of the problem is Brand.
Just stop the draft system, make it a weel, where everybody got fair chances and nobody is tanking
Yes. They just chose to keep the wrong player. Simmons > Butler.
The Pacers went to the Finals in 2000 and the 76ers the following year. Since then the Pacers have been to multiple conference finals and Philly has been to ZERO. You'd rather when 10-15 games every year and gather all these picks for what? How can the process be viewed as successful when the only thing it has produced is Embiid? I'd rather reach the postseason with a chance to win some games and potentially win it all than draft Markelle Fultz, Jahlil Okafor, Nerlens Noel, Michael Carter-Williams, Dario Saric. Those are all the "Process" lottery picks not named Embiid and Simmons. Not sure the 76ers "process" is any better than Indiana's. Love you JJ, but absolutely can not agree with that statement.
Philly tank for years got countless number 1 picks philly ass an organization .
They picked too many big men 🤦♂️ Noel, Embiid, Okafor 3 years in a row
The pacers didn’t deserve that shot. In 20 years they’ve had more success than any team he played for.
jj and davis reid look like they stayed up all night doing coke
It can and will work if Ben can just train to shoot the damn ball.
It worked but we never seen its full potential unfortunately because we didn’t win a championship if you don’t believe me does anyone remember the 2015-16 team😂
How can you have a conversation about the “process” without explicitly discussing tanking? Feels like a very whitewashed conversation. You didn’t actually discuss the trade off between tanking / letting fans down in the short term in order to build long term
We definitely didn't cover everything about every subject. We only have a certain amount of time with each guest and with Ben, there was a lot to cover in that time.
You know who had a push off in an iconic shot?? Michael Jordan. Leave kawhi alone
Copying Joe Rogans thumbnails lmao
Lol the process failed. It’s not even a question. Philly didn’t purposely suck ass for multiple seasons to just be a borderline contender with an injury prone embiid, a washed up harden and an overpaid Tobias.
“They missed on some draft picks”….no shit. That’s part of the reason the process failed. What a terrible point to make.
It’s funny watching jj take shots at the pacers. The pacers NEVER fucking tanked for a shit ton of draft picks. And in the past 20 years, they’ve made it further than the 76ers lmao
They can sugarcoat it all they want, but the process failed. It’s obviously not the players fault, but don’t act dumb jj.
Main export of Philadelphia, salt.
Lmao
No, because they picked the wrong players in the draft.
Will it have worked in the long term if they had picked the right players? probably not unless the sixers were willing to pay astronomical luxury tax.
in a word NOOOOOOOO... it's foster a culture of losing, which becomes part of your DNA.
I noticed JJ has no respect for the Sixers organization
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Not really did you bring life back. It was already there😄😄😄😄😁
Stop callin kawhi shot luck lil dude. Kawhi made it bc he’s great, and dominated Jimmy, Ben, And all their elite defensive players. Jimmy and Ben were all nba defenders. Don’t give them an excuse by saying it was luck. Kawhi works on that and deserved it. Sorry
Kawhi was a 37% free throw shooter that season. A lot of that were on clean looks. In game 7 he got off a running, off balance shot, with two of the best defensive bigs in the game in his face, and it bounced 97 times on the rim before going in. He can be great and there can also be some luck involved. They’re not mutually exclusive.
All I know is Ben was robbed of DPOY
Lol yea right process FAILED
The process worked. They drafted 2 all-stars (1 of which an MVP) and still had enough draft capital to trade to go all in when they were ready. People forget that Elton Brand and the Sixers made the SAME 2 moves as Masai Ujiri in 2019. New #1 late game clutch option (Butler vs Kawhi) and new overpaid, 20M+ 4th option starter (Harris vs Gasol). History doesn't care, but it easily could've been the Sixers with the ring in 2019.
With the 7 games, the difference was as close it's ever going to get. Down to Butler tying the game off a pass from Tobias and Kawhi winning the game from a Gasol pass. It was literally the difference between the bounce of a ball. 4 bounces instead of 3 or 5.
Ben Refused to play
So we can say he trashed the process and now doing it to Nets
Nets will 100% go further than Philly this year🤣🤣🤣
How did he do it to the nets? He only really had an opportunity to play during gm 3/4 of the playoffs series. But having him play while they’re down in the series would just put a ton of pressure on him. He’s playing this season and I think he’s gonna be great for the nets.
@@BigPurp9 a lot of confidence for a team that got swept by the Celtics.
@@Andorski they lost to the best team in the east last year noooooo😱, they’d have bounced Philly out in 5 games max as well
@@BigPurp9 in 5 games... so they'd do better than the Nets? 🤔
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Great point
Ben doesn’t love basketball. Not a fun guy to root for.
That's what happens when you get 100's of million at age 20, I'd do the same lmao
@@StrawHats94 For some, money brings more motivation. Not for people like Ben and you, and it's completely normal.
Ben Simmons doesn’t bring much to the table in terms of conversation.
The Process was a failure, never made a Conference Finals. Okafur and Fultz are busts, just like that Michael dude that nobody cares about now. The Sixers only got Embiid as a great player, Ben is average
never forget, Philly took Fultz over Tatum. That killed the "process" then and there.
The Sixers did not take Fultz over Tatum. The Sixers had a gentleman's agreement with Boston that they were going to select Fultz. The Sixers had no interest in Tatum. If Boston felt that the Sixers wanted Tatum, Boston would not have made the trade. Therefore, the Sixers never had an opportunity to get Tatum. If you will recall, what the Sixers needed most was 3-point scoring which Fultz was supposed to deliver.
DO YOUR TALKING ON THE COURT!!! This is a soft move by a soft player. Excuses, excuses, excuses
NO THE PROCESS DIDN’T WORK