I remember when I was in chess camp something like 15-20 years ago, my teacher was showing all of us how to use an engine (back then of course they were still very strong, but a shadow of what they are today). So he gave a position to an engine, and he also had to input how long the computer was allowed to think. So he gave the computer a position, let it think for 2 seconds, then gave it the same position and let it think for 10 seconds. Then he gave the computer a minute or two and the whole time was saying how the computer would probably give the same answer because it was a very straightforward position. The computer came back and gave a very different move that didn't look possible. The teacher looked at where the line went and just said something along the lines of "Oh, well, I guess that works. The computer found something better." Like, holy shit. Even back then on our shitty classroom Windows XP the computers were being absolute scumbags.
I don't see how chess cheaters could feel any sense of accomplishment from cheating, most especially when they're at high ELOs. Imagine playing for weeks/days/hours just to get to 1000+ ELO by cheating, and by the time you get to a higher ELO, it's easier to notice whether you're cheating, then you get subsequently banned, wasting your weeks/days/hours of sitting through matches while the AI engine thinks for you. Also, I was thinking if players with 2000+ ELOs should have their cameras open everytime they play with each other, just so it's easier to weed out those who are cheating at high ELOs, because there is no way those cheaters would even want the world to see their faces while cheating.
I agree with you, but you and I think with the mind of someone who doesn't cheat. Cheaters think differently. My guess is that they are weak but sadistic. The point is not them winning, but the other one losing. The higher the rating of the opponent the more satisfying it gets. And then they play the last couple of moves themselves to give the final blow, because it is very satisfying to them to kick someone who is already on the ground. Sad.
I always assumed it’s different people trying it once. I wonder how many people do exactly what you’re saying. You’d think repeaters would get good at it.
Don't you get 1000 elo right away? At least I thought so because it was basically my starting level(ok, I could beat any bot up to 1000 elo right away, and 1000 elo after couple of games, so I guess 1000 should be like zero level for adults, right?)
Cheaters find all sorts of ways to justify cheating. They might think of cheating as temporary, something that will help teach them to become a better player over time and eventually they will no longer need to cheat. They might convince themselves that everybody else is cheating and that is why they are losing matches, and that them cheating is merely levelling the playing field. When there is prize money on the line or prestigious titles often cheaters manage to convince themselves that they deserve to win and are in fact the better player, but for reasons beyond their control they can't win without cheating - the cheating is justified because that's what they have to do to get what they feel like they deserve. Most cheaters are also convinced they're smart enough to get away with it indefinitely so they're not even considering the possibility they will get banned for cheating and have all they did be for nothing. I believe most cheaters when they win would feel a sense of accomplishment, simply because they believe that cheating was justified and they deserved to win. And I think that applies to basically everything too - like when you hear about athletes taking performance enhancing drugs they almost always say the reason they decided to do it is because they believe all their competition is doing it and it was required to be on an even playing field, or they felt it was required due to being set back by an injury outside of their control. They might express regret and whatnot after being caught, but almost without fail they will all basically justify their behaviour in some way and it's clear that what they actually regret is being caught, not cheating. As for the idea of having a webcam on for high rated chess players - I personally hate the idea. I would not be willing to do that, even if it helped address the cheating problem. I hate cheating as much as the next guy, but I also hate being on camera and simply would rather not play chess than stream myself playing chess. I don't think that is a solution people would go for.
There's nothing to gain from cheating in chess. You can't do it in an otb situation. There's no monetary gain. If you cheat in chess, you know you're not as smart as any of your opponents, so you're basically just putting yourself down and admitting that you aren't very bright. Man, their lives must really suck
@williamrobert9898 How can you use a chess cheat engine in an otb situation? They have cameras in place and mods specifically to watch for cheating. There is literally no way to make money from cheating otb because everyone will know you're cheating before you get paid out.
@@bigflop2619 🤦🏻♂️ you basically assumed something wrong then built your entire argument based off of it, there are multiple famous cases of Chess players getting away with cheating in OTB tournaments for years, it's a 2 seconds Google search
@@bigflop2619 Many different ways actually, Hikaru explained some of them when he was reading the articles of the titled players who were caught cheating after they kept on getting away with it for *years* Not really, it's obvious you're new to this and that's why you have no idea that there have been many incidents of cheating OTB and some of them lasted for a good number of years, you're simply basing your argument on a false assumption of yours, look it up if you don't believe me, it's a 2 second Google search
@@bigflop2619 Many different ways actually, Hikaru explained some of them when he was reading the articles of the titled players who were caught cheating after they kept on getting away with it for *years* Not really, it's obvious you're new to this and that's why you have no idea that there have been many incidents of cheating OTB and some of them lasted for a good number of years, you're simply basing your argument on a false assumption of yours, look it up if you don't believe me, it's a 2 second Google search
The you won thing has happened to me and it was disturbing because I knew I was loosing..just lost my queen and bam "you win". I even thought he resigned until I saw his page and that ugly icon.
Imagine cheating, clearly showing you’re cheating by using an engine for even the easiest moves and then playing on your own and stalemating what should’ve been an extremely easy mate 🫵🤣 9:43 1. Rxg2+ Kh1/Kf1 2. Rd1# Thats such an easy mate to spot i doubt the guy was any higher than 500 🤣 i think it’s harder to find a stalemate there
I have this idea for a chess mod where each player has a certain number of "cheat moves" where they press the cheat button and it just plays the best move on the current best engine, or an engine of either player's choice. Maybe different modes for how many cheat moves or how many moves ahead it calculates.
@@PanicoMight no not by a long shot. I'm not saying these moves where made by humans, I'm merely curious to how quick the machine does it. Maybe they dont need a great deal of depth for it to work since a human is not using its full "depth" potential as it is in bullet speed?
@@oivindification All right, got it! To put on perspective, imagine that a human try to think the most possible moves ahead in a fraction of a second and he play what he think is the most optimal move. In a fraction of a second, a computer can think in all possible moves and he will give you the move they will win at the end even it the move look bad. You can look for stockfish to understand better how the better chess engine works. The longer you give to stockfish, more depth he will get but whit a good processor they don't need much time to analyze every possible scenario
@@oivindification the fact is good processor but you can also reduce the depth by a lot cause its bullet and you dont need 100percent accuracy for win even against gm. So with a moderate depth your pc can run it as well i guess
@@TightKnightsthis guy is some boomer who's addicted to chess but he probably sucks and is jealous of gms, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a cheater himself. I discovered this just by looking at his channel.
Chess engines are far more accurate than humans and can be accessed very easily by anyone with an internet connection. Cheaters use these engines to find the best, or close to best, moves in any given situation
I remember when I was in chess camp something like 15-20 years ago, my teacher was showing all of us how to use an engine (back then of course they were still very strong, but a shadow of what they are today). So he gave a position to an engine, and he also had to input how long the computer was allowed to think. So he gave the computer a position, let it think for 2 seconds, then gave it the same position and let it think for 10 seconds. Then he gave the computer a minute or two and the whole time was saying how the computer would probably give the same answer because it was a very straightforward position.
The computer came back and gave a very different move that didn't look possible. The teacher looked at where the line went and just said something along the lines of "Oh, well, I guess that works. The computer found something better."
Like, holy shit. Even back then on our shitty classroom Windows XP the computers were being absolute scumbags.
"🤓☝️ ehrm, ackshually"
- the computer
@@imaloony8 😂
I don't see how chess cheaters could feel any sense of accomplishment from cheating, most especially when they're at high ELOs. Imagine playing for weeks/days/hours just to get to 1000+ ELO by cheating, and by the time you get to a higher ELO, it's easier to notice whether you're cheating, then you get subsequently banned, wasting your weeks/days/hours of sitting through matches while the AI engine thinks for you.
Also, I was thinking if players with 2000+ ELOs should have their cameras open everytime they play with each other, just so it's easier to weed out those who are cheating at high ELOs, because there is no way those cheaters would even want the world to see their faces while cheating.
I agree with you, but you and I think with the mind of someone who doesn't cheat. Cheaters think differently. My guess is that they are weak but sadistic. The point is not them winning, but the other one losing. The higher the rating of the opponent the more satisfying it gets. And then they play the last couple of moves themselves to give the final blow, because it is very satisfying to them to kick someone who is already on the ground. Sad.
I always assumed it’s different people trying it once. I wonder how many people do exactly what you’re saying. You’d think repeaters would get good at it.
Don't you get 1000 elo right away? At least I thought so because it was basically my starting level(ok, I could beat any bot up to 1000 elo right away, and 1000 elo after couple of games, so I guess 1000 should be like zero level for adults, right?)
@@TristanWeijermars well, I never cheated, but yeah, it would be my motivation if I would decide to try
Cheaters find all sorts of ways to justify cheating. They might think of cheating as temporary, something that will help teach them to become a better player over time and eventually they will no longer need to cheat. They might convince themselves that everybody else is cheating and that is why they are losing matches, and that them cheating is merely levelling the playing field. When there is prize money on the line or prestigious titles often cheaters manage to convince themselves that they deserve to win and are in fact the better player, but for reasons beyond their control they can't win without cheating - the cheating is justified because that's what they have to do to get what they feel like they deserve. Most cheaters are also convinced they're smart enough to get away with it indefinitely so they're not even considering the possibility they will get banned for cheating and have all they did be for nothing.
I believe most cheaters when they win would feel a sense of accomplishment, simply because they believe that cheating was justified and they deserved to win. And I think that applies to basically everything too - like when you hear about athletes taking performance enhancing drugs they almost always say the reason they decided to do it is because they believe all their competition is doing it and it was required to be on an even playing field, or they felt it was required due to being set back by an injury outside of their control. They might express regret and whatnot after being caught, but almost without fail they will all basically justify their behaviour in some way and it's clear that what they actually regret is being caught, not cheating.
As for the idea of having a webcam on for high rated chess players - I personally hate the idea. I would not be willing to do that, even if it helped address the cheating problem. I hate cheating as much as the next guy, but I also hate being on camera and simply would rather not play chess than stream myself playing chess. I don't think that is a solution people would go for.
There's nothing to gain from cheating in chess. You can't do it in an otb situation. There's no monetary gain. If you cheat in chess, you know you're not as smart as any of your opponents, so you're basically just putting yourself down and admitting that you aren't very bright. Man, their lives must really suck
Actually you absolutely can do it in an OTB situation, what are you on about?
@williamrobert9898 How can you use a chess cheat engine in an otb situation? They have cameras in place and mods specifically to watch for cheating. There is literally no way to make money from cheating otb because everyone will know you're cheating before you get paid out.
@@bigflop2619 🤦🏻♂️ you basically assumed something wrong then built your entire argument based off of it, there are multiple famous cases of Chess players getting away with cheating in OTB tournaments for years, it's a 2 seconds Google search
@@bigflop2619 Many different ways actually, Hikaru explained some of them when he was reading the articles of the titled players who were caught cheating after they kept on getting away with it for *years*
Not really, it's obvious you're new to this and that's why you have no idea that there have been many incidents of cheating OTB and some of them lasted for a good number of years, you're simply basing your argument on a false assumption of yours, look it up if you don't believe me, it's a 2 second Google search
@@bigflop2619 Many different ways actually, Hikaru explained some of them when he was reading the articles of the titled players who were caught cheating after they kept on getting away with it for *years*
Not really, it's obvious you're new to this and that's why you have no idea that there have been many incidents of cheating OTB and some of them lasted for a good number of years, you're simply basing your argument on a false assumption of yours, look it up if you don't believe me, it's a 2 second Google search
You know how you can know I'm never cheating in bullet? I don't know how to cheat in bullet lmao
The you won thing has happened to me and it was disturbing because I knew I was loosing..just lost my queen and bam "you win". I even thought he resigned until I saw his page and that ugly icon.
This is re-uploaded
so i will re-upload my comment
How can they cheat in a bullet game?
Guessing it's some program that play the moves for him
They use extensions that play the moves automatically for them
Such an underrated chess channel, goated video
The better chess channels don't overdo it with adding their own flair.
Nice videos, but what's with the emo music at the end?
I need to know what the name of the song at the end is please. 😭
It’s AI generated
@@TightKnights So it doesn't exist?
@@DavidAranachessdid you find it bro?
@@ChildoftheKing777 The truth is that no..
@@DavidAranachessFreefall - Axtiller
Imagine cheating, clearly showing you’re cheating by using an engine for even the easiest moves and then playing on your own and stalemating what should’ve been an extremely easy mate 🫵🤣
9:43 1. Rxg2+ Kh1/Kf1 2. Rd1#
Thats such an easy mate to spot i doubt the guy was any higher than 500 🤣 i think it’s harder to find a stalemate there
Next big thing and he's not Brock Lesnar😂
Isn't this a re-upload?
Yep, had to fix a copyright issue.
accounts that cheat from 700-2000 never get banned tho, online chess is trash
What's the point to cheat on 700-1000, isn't it newbie level?
Wait i clearly remember playing that one cheater but new account for them.....
Imagine cheat agaisnt a guy with the "GM" simble agaisnt there names
I have this idea for a chess mod where each player has a certain number of "cheat moves" where they press the cheat button and it just plays the best move on the current best engine, or an engine of either player's choice. Maybe different modes for how many cheat moves or how many moves ahead it calculates.
Can someone smart explain why in the 4th game he doesn't capture knight with the f knight?
Cause of an incoming double check on d5 bro.
The games against Hansen. It's bullet. How does the computer engine the cheater's using work fast enough to be put into work in bullet?
Do you think a human can think faster than a machine for real?
@@PanicoMight no not by a long shot. I'm not saying these moves where made by humans, I'm merely curious to how quick the machine does it. Maybe they dont need a great deal of depth for it to work since a human is not using its full "depth" potential as it is in bullet speed?
@@oivindification All right, got it! To put on perspective, imagine that a human try to think the most possible moves ahead in a fraction of a second and he play what he think is the most optimal move. In a fraction of a second, a computer can think in all possible moves and he will give you the move they will win at the end even it the move look bad. You can look for stockfish to understand better how the better chess engine works. The longer you give to stockfish, more depth he will get but whit a good processor they don't need much time to analyze every possible scenario
@@PanicoMight right ok. You have a good enough processor, you can easily do it fast enough for bullet.
@@oivindification the fact is good processor but you can also reduce the depth by a lot cause its bullet and you dont need 100percent accuracy for win even against gm. So with a moderate depth your pc can run it as well i guess
10:25 видно что где то сам играл, кто с движком
تصنيفي 1000 قبل يومين لعبت مع شخص تصنيفو 500 و غلبني شر هزيمة حسيت نفسي غبية جدا و ان المشكلة فيا و لعبي سيئ دخلت اليوم لحسابو لقيتو مبند 😂
Which site does Bortnyk play on?
He usually plays on Chess.com. This was for a promotional event of some kind, I'm not sure which site that is actually
It is fun watching cheaters crushing Grandmasters.....
Whoa. It should be the other way around…
@@TightKnightsthis guy is some boomer who's addicted to chess but he probably sucks and is jealous of gms, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a cheater himself. I discovered this just by looking at his channel.
@@davidsantiago7808 he hasn't made a chess video in like 3 years, I don't think he knows what he's doing lol
@@davidsantiago7808 you just hating for no reason 💀
@@BrokenYT15 not for no reason, but yes i am hating
Song at 10:53?
How the fuck do you cheat in chess
If I tell you you’ll probably go and cheat.
That's right bud, you stay innocent, good shit
Chess engines are far more accurate than humans and can be accessed very easily by anyone with an internet connection.
Cheaters use these engines to find the best, or close to best, moves in any given situation
Don’t they just ban anyone a gm tells them to
No