GizmoSlipTech did a livestream with them last week where they did a live Cinebench R23 and Time Spy where it did fantastic! However, without a binned 14980HX like with 13th gen, there's far more variation between scores.
@@xmg_gg So it looks like you've mostly copied the Lenovo Legion Pro 5/7 line here on the 16 inch model external design, and then added your liquid cooling. That's probably a very good idea, and I hope you sell a ton of them! Lenovo needs to get their ass kicked for putting out a $4k pumped-water-loop laptop that doesn't actually have the liquid loop touch any heat sinks, and then only putting the best QOL stuff in that stupid machine. Presumably they were going to have an external cooler but then somebody realized patents were a thing.
Great updates. When I was cross shopping the 2023 version with legion pro 7, the main drawbacks of the xmg were dimmer screen/louder keys/no usb-c charging/no liquid cooling over cpu Glad to see they listen to consumer feedback and upgrades accordingly
Id love to see this be used more often on more laptops to allow a powerful laptop to function as a low powered thin&light when on the move but still be a decent desktop when at home.
I love how they keep working on the watercooling and making it better and better. A bit of a let down that the 17" model is getting less attention. But 16" from my experience is a pretty good sweet spot for size and portability and I'm sure is the more popular size. So not surprised it got the new chassis. I wish they got new Gan chargers like some of the bigger companies got. But maybe that'll come later? I know it's a pipe dream, but can you imagine a water cooled 14" laptop? Probably too small to make it happen, but that would be so cool if they actually pulled it off.
love the fact that when you are home you can just plug it into water cooling and get crazy performance. I usually like to dock my laptop and connect it to an external screen. this is very appealing for me. but personally I want an all amd config. they really didn't show up much last year for some reason. also would be keeping an eye on the framework 16 but it might just be too light and weak for me. also really excited for the new cooling solutions from frore. hope we get some exciting deals!!
This actually makes my 2023 Legion 7i pro blush. Love that they FINALLY went 500 nits on the screen too. 350 just ain’t hitting for a modern expensive laptop. Also jealous of the ALL metal chassis. Why Lenovo cheaped out with plastic for 2023 and now also 2024 absolutely baffles me. Will be keeping a keen eye on XMG come 5000 series GPU time.
@@noliebetweenus lol true, but I did also only buy it because I got a hefty 38% discount on a custom 4090 variant when they launched using a particularly nefarious cheat code 😉
The neo 16 almost looks similar to the legion 7 2022 model. Man the 2022 legions were the best, but now, lenovo cheaped out and made it just a bit more better in build quality than the pro 5. I know the legion 9 exists and that the xmg neo 16 would realistically compete with that in terms of pricing and performance, but man, i really wish lenovo would bring back the glory days of the legion 7 and also the amd advantage version.
Hey there Jarrod.. that's SO MUCH BETTER. Last time we chatted, I had the previous 16" on order, but they could not deliver on time. I eventually opted for the Asus Strix 18" with the RTX 4080 from Best Buy via a black Friday sale for under 2K. I'm so glad I went the ASUS route. There were a ton of reviews on Best Buy that talked about backlight bleed. My unit has none of that. The 18" screen, because of my eyesight, has made all the difference, and I'm able to work a full day without discomfort. I'm excited to see how this new XMG unit performs. I'm sure it will be awesome. I'm glad they got it updated. This looks really cool. Cheers Rick
I have a NEO 17 (M22) with watercooler and this thing is awesome! Makes it way quieter and laptop fans barely kick in. No need for a stand and to worry about dust buildup.
I modded a Clevo with watercooling and it draws 400W+ with the fans still on low, that GPU-only cooling loop in the 2023 model was such a horrific waste. I can push this CPU to what the board limit is, 170W, with my modded heatsink which is the stock one with one of those cheap AliExpress 40x40mm square copper waterblocks soldered on top (and liquid metal. The stock heatsink is rated 95W) They should run that line all over the whole heatsink, I split my line into 2 across the mega dual GPU vapour chamber and they've never been over 75C even when benched under modded power limits up to 250W... Each
I doubt that they will offer attractive prices competing with the Legion Pro 7. At this point, looking at the European market, you could get the Legion Pro 7 with 4090 in the UK Lenovo for 2300€. When it comes to the German market (where XMG comes from), you can get the Legion Pro 7 with 4080 for 2399€ almost on the spot. With that in mind, and looking at XMG's prices, I doubt they will be able to break through because their prices are simply too high. Let's be honest - if they want to compete with giants like Lenovo, they need to have better prices than them.
Which store sells a Legion Pro 7 with 4090 for 2300€ in Europe? The lowest I’ve seen such a laptop is on Lenovo France’s website at 3000€ for the AMD CPU version.
I'm still waiting for anything to offer a performance improvement over my legion 5 pro without just having to pay more money for it. It's so unexciting for new performance to come out but it's same cost/frame as what I already have.
Glad to see they reworked the Neo 16 and the bottom chin is gone. Tom from XMG if you're reading this: please put an AMD CPU in the Fusion 15! It will be such a nice portable option. I assume it's also thinner, not only light. Such a laptop must have a CPU which allows portability. I've never seen a 15.3" screen, it's very innovative. Well done!
Confirmed read. Do you still want an NVIDIA RTX GeForce together with this AMD CPU? There is a realistic opportunity to pair an AMD Ryzen "Hawk Point" with an RTX 4060 in XMG FUSION 15 (2024), but the weight and thickness would be the same like the Intel version. Pairing it also with an RTX 4070 is currently an uphill battle because the RTX 4060 is the much more popular SKU in terms of global volume. // Tom
@@xmg_gg Yes, yes, yes! A 8840HS (I suppose this is the name of the "updated" 7840HS) with a 4060 would be perfect. I don't know how popular the 4070 is in your devices, but my blind assumption is that the 4060 and the 4080 are the more popular ones anyway. I think if you can offer this with an AMD CPU and a 4050/4060, it would be a great machine. What is the z height of this chassis? I assume it's less than 25mm at the thickest point. It would be a shame to lock such a nice portable device to the power outlet with an Intel HX CPU.
@@xmg_ggEven though I think the design of the 2024 Fusion 15 is a downgrade from the M22 version (so I probably won't buy it), I would also love to see more AMD + Nvidia configs. Been looking for laptops like these but there aren't really many options
Love the coverage. However, I was expecting them to release some models with Meteor Lake Core Ultra series, with Slim & Light design rather than just Raptor Lake HX refresh. A Core Ultra 7 155H + 100W RTX 4070/4060 4 lbs laptop could have been great for portability and performance.
they have oudone themselves. heir sales should be really in tens of millions if not more as chassis & capability in addition to price, all deserves much more recognitions & widespread use everywhere.
Would it be worth it travelling to Europe to get this water cooled laptop or not just wondering as it was arguably the best performing 16 inch laptop last year ? This is also considering if you have family there as well and the water cooling loop got upgraded also.
Odds are you probably can find it under another name locally. They are still just "no name" (assuming still tongfang) laptops after all even if XMG is the biggest name in tuning and showing them off. Aftershocks looks to have the 2023 model for Australia so will probably have the 2024 model at some point
International postage is a thing, though duties and insurance usually makes it a lot more expensive than a local reseller and adds hurdles for support/warranty if things do go wrong. However, some resellers such as XMG and Eluktronics add value over the standard Tongfang experience by offering more customisations and devving their own firmware, software and tweaks
These laptops are made by Tongfang originally and you can find them in various names in various markets. XMG/Tuxedo/Schenker in EU, PC Specialist in the UK, Eluktronics in the USA just some example
Thanks for this video, waiting for your official in depth review of the 17 neo and 16 neo (24). I wonder if the small differences between the new chassis of the neo 16 are enough to consider it over the neo 17. The awsd intake, the cooling pipes integration, and mechanical water cooling connection, etc.
I would like to see some kinda 13" or 14" Oasis compatible laptop (think Asus' Flow X13 but not capped at ~75W) that would let you make use of higher power limits (i.e. ~60-80W 4080/90 when not plugged in but like ~150W when it is)
@@xmg_gg make sure it's still kinda competitive (with say the Zephyrus G14) without the Oasis though and in a year it will need to be 5080+AMD (idk how Nvidia will segment/power limit feels bad) and obligatory good battery + HDR + no OLED/miniLED if it kills battery
Our product spec sheets specify that it's a "Laptop GPU". We sympathise with the point you are making, but on the other hand - there is not a single proper laptop out there that is *not* using NVIDIA Laptop GPUs - so the moniker is often left out out of habit. We ask for forgiveness and we will pay better attention to video captions in future sponsorings. // Tom
@@xmg_gg so you're gonna pretend 1000 and 2000 series laptop GPUs don't exist, huh? ok then. I mean almost all of them had exactly the same specs as the desktop ones while having the same name, aside from power limits that is. But if you're saying that the situation we have now is the same as in Pascal and Turing I have nothing to add.
The Fusion 15 should have used Meteor Lake I just don't understand these thinner laptops using Raptor Lake HX they are meant to be taken around easily which means they should have good battery life and I don't expect the HX cpus to do well in that 1.99kg chassis such a missed opportunity
If I'm not mistaken, XMG is buying in bulk so they get good prices for the i9 HX. Same as last year, every Intel model they sold came with an i9 13900HX. I wish they would diversify their portfolio a bit. Something like the Fusion 15 we saw above definitely would have made more sense with Hawk Point or Meteor Lake. It's thin and light, isn't aimed at maximum possible performance, it should have a CPU optimised for battery life imo.
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 people buying thin gaming laptops like me are fine with sacrificing performance so this isn't really an issue for them they care about battery life and other features
Raptor Lake HX is surprisingly efficient in all-core workloads at medium power limits. For example, when limited to 80 watts, the i9-13900HX has 36% higher Cinebench R23 Multi score than the Ryzen 7 7840HS at 80 watts. Meteor Lake would be even slower than Phoenix in this scenario. Sometimes, just having a lot of cores helps a lot. For the more battery-optimized segment, we would rather bundle XMG FUSION with AMD "Hawk Point" at some point. Meteor Lake will first launch in iGPU-only laptops, so it can really leverage its iGPU and NPU. // Tom
@@xmg_gg About Meteor Lake the main compute die seems like it's underperforming but the rest of the SoC like the NPU, iGPU and LP cores do seem to be doing well I would expect actually great battery life with Meteor Lake and yeah I can understand the RPL-HX situation
Feel sad for the early adopters of that external watercooling solution as the tiny waterpipe over just on component couldnt have been enough. Now they did a proper design where all components get cooled. I build myself a DIY watercooling solution for my MSI GE67 HX and it makes enormous difference regarding noise, even under full gameing load the CPU/ GPU never get hotter than about 60 Celsius, before it idled at 80 and the tiny fans where screaming under load.
There's, of course, some level of irony that the only reason these obscenely crazy cooling solutions are needed for the CPU side is primarily Intel's absolute lack of power efficiency on the high end. I believe at this point the community is aware of notebookcheck's review for the engineering sample of the 17 inch version of this XMG NEO notebook. If you're not, they found this i9 was slower than both the old 13th gen i9 as well as AMD's HX and X3D flagships in quite a few cases. In at least cinebench, and nearly every game tested, the X3D was somewhere between a little bit and quite a bit faster than both i9s while drawing as little as a third of the power to do so. On an AMD equivalent notebook that lets them put all of the extra cooling directly into the size class up GPU that they now have the power and thermal budget for. If your CPU will only needs up to 100 watts, and you have a 330 watt brick, you can now put in a 200 watt GPU versus trying to power balance a 230 watt CPU allowance and a 170 watt GPU on a 330W psu. A water cooler would help cool both configurations of course, but personally, I would take the more efficient and faster CPU, and tolerances for a much beefier dGPU.
I'm looking at this laptop and considering buying it to upgrade from my laptops RTX 3070 8gb gpu 105w. How viable is the liquid cooling solution for long gaming sessions on that RTX 4090? Will the GPU and CPU stay cold enough on silent fans profiles? Are the mechanical keyboard buttons very loud? It's an expensive product and I want to be sure that it will fit my needs, I travel only every 2 weeks by flight, I keep the laptop stationary once I reach my destination.
Hey Jarrod, big brazilian fan here, first of all congrats on your superb work, secondly can you add Counter Strike 2 on your gaming tests for all the new up coming reviews?
We are using it already for the LDAT tests, but not sure we will other with game FPS as it seems to run well enough on most stuff. That said we are looking at picking 3 new games some time in the future so we'll see.
@@JarrodsTech Thanks for the reply, I just asked because here in Brazil the 4080`s and above laptops are way too expensive, so generally we buy the 4060 or 4070 versions to play on 1440p 240hz monitors. So I would like to know if these laptop specs could sustain 240+ fps on CS2. Thanks anyway and keep your excelent work.
More X3Ds in everything! Usable multi cores for high performance use that doesn't need 150W+ and jet loud fan noise to get the work done and for gaming where the efficiency means less CPU draw while gaming which makes less of a problem of these weak sauce 250W TBP limits and weeny tiny chargers.
instead of water cooled, i wonder if a simple metal connection to extend the heat pipe would work.. the external portion would just be a passive heat sink
This would be too slow for two reason: 1) Radiating heat through a piece of metal is way slower than pumping hot water out of the system. 2) Once that passive heat sink is soaked hot (please don't touch), radiating it away with infrared light is way slower than having a proper 120mm radiator with fan. Nice idea, but not realistic. // Tom
When comparing the highest end laptops from last year does the water cooling make any difference cause it seems the Asus Scar 17 was still faster and offered more performance ??
Maybe the water cooler can make laptop set up look more professional but the real efficient cooling is the cooling pad, 1/10 price with the ability to cool cpu, gpu, ssd, battery,... ;))
What i don't understand about this laptop is if you are going to have an extra block that you attach to your laptop, why making it a water cooling block? Why not an external gpu? Having the laptop with an integrated gpu only will make it perfect for daily tasks if you want to just take it for college or watch youtube, and when you want to play you just plug in your normal fan-cooled external gpu (which would probably have much better performance than a water cooled laptop gpu) I remember rog had something similar like 3 years ago
What you describe is nothing new. You can get any laptop with a good CPU and Thunderbolt 4 and connect an eGPU to it. There is no need for a proprietary solution for this. For example, you can take a look at SCHENKER VISION 14 or VISION 16 with Intel Core i7-13620H and Thunderbolt 4. What's special about XMG NEO: you have a powerful all-in-one package that runs perfectly well without the water cooling unit. The water cooling is an optional add-on, not a requirement. // Tom
Ryzen X3D in laptops is currently only available on the "Dragon Range" platform (also known as the FL1 platform). We currently have no laptops with Dragon Range in the immediate planning, especially not for XMG NEO and FUSION series. Background: Dragon Range is not compatible with models currently in the portfolio with AMD "Phoenix" (FP7/FP8 platform). Dragon Range requires new motherboard designs and corresponding support from AMD (and NVIDIA if you want to add an NVIDIA GPU). // Tom
@@xmg_gg Thank You for clarifying that. But that does not mean, that those would not sell like hot cakes off the shelf. AMD is much easier to cool and 3D vcache models even more so. You would get better or similar gaming performance as with 13900HX/14900HX, but with less noise. But nobody for some reason has laptops with AMD 3D cache.
Yes. With liquid cooling, laptop fan RPM are automatically cut in half during heavy CPU+GPU load. With GPU-focused loads, the RPM are even less than half. The Cinebench results in the video are with manual Fan Boost, however, to get a few more percentage points of scores for benchmarking. // Tom
Ahh my comment didn't make any sense now that I re-read it. What I meant to say was that, I didn't know that they made water-cooling for laptop. So this was pretty cool for me to see.
Hey Jarrod, it's been a long time since I interacted with you. I got myself a HP OMEN 16, i7 13th gen, RTX 4050 variant. This thing doesn't have the feature to limit battery charge. What do I do in this case?
But how does it affect the comp. when there is no watercooling applied? It goes all around the comp. bottom but if there is no water circulating then how does it distribute heat?
CPU and GPU are directly connected via liquid metal to nickel-plated copper, which is soldered together with the air cooling system. Because the water loop in XMG NEO 16 goes *around* the CPU and GPU (instead of criss-crossing over CPU/GPU), as seen in 0:48, an empty water loop (filled with air) does NOT affect the thermal transmission from CPU and GPU hot spots to the heatpipes. // Tom
I wish the 17" had cooling as good as the 16, but this 16" (will be under aftershockpc laptops in Australia for anyone wondering) might be the overall best laptop of 2024. The screen is 500 nits now which is great vs last year 300 nits, and the cooling is just sensational. That CPU power output is crazy good. I just wish it had dolby vision, as that truly transforms Netflix on non HDR non 4K displays. Oh well. The Asus G16 is interesting and has a 240hz OLED but the GPU power limit is way too low and it's 7 grand with the 4090 in Australia.. It's ridiculous.. for just 1TB of storage and 32GB ram. For those prices, Asus can keep it. I paid less for my GT77 in 2023 with 64GB and 4TB and I get over 22K in timespy and the GPU always hits 170w+ even if the CPU is on 80 or even 90 watts. So...... I actually think the Razer 16 and this Tongfeng (XMG, aftershock, Eluktroniks, etc) are the two to watch out for this year. I'll reserve judgement on the Dell X16 until I find out if they improved the panel or not.
Intel and AMD use completely different motherboard designs (BGA socket sizes and pin-layouts), as the motherboard designs (including all the stuff around the CPU like chipsets etc.) are closely aligned with the technology layout of the CPU. // Tom
@@xmg_gg Ok. Understandable. But again. AMD managed to make 3 gens get equiped/installed into 1 mobo socket. Why cant laptops do this? your statement does not answer my question.
Hi Jarrod! Love your videos. I discovered your channel because I was about to be gifted a gaming laptop. I would like to know your thoughts regarding Acer Predator Triton 14? I saw your reply on reddit that you're trying to get it, would wanna know on the update and your thoughts on the laptop as it is currently on sale. Cheers!
2023 will save you double fold since discounts are common and 2024 models have a crazy 20-30% mark up. And the GPUs are exactly the same between this year and last year. 14th gen Intel is a marginal upgrade at best. TLDR: 2023 is the way to go.
Soon I will be in the market to buy another all-AMD laptop. I hope they show up by then, because I will never pay double the price for any Nvidia-equipped machine, especially considering all the weird, random issues that many gamers seem to be having with them.
How do I buy this laptop in the US? I really want a 4060/ 70 veriant of the 16 inch version I know eluktronics is the same thing but they havent updated their website yet for the new machines.
Pretty copy of Lenovo Legion the new XmgNeo16 (by Tongfang). Good for new liquid circuit without forget about cpu (ridiculous for the 2023 model) Good for no MX cherry. I prefer a silent keyboard. The rest, is pure Lenovo Legion 7. (So, well too). I would love a Lenovo with 4k screen, expandable up to 128gb ram. Tongfang/Xmg failed again, but closer to a better laptop. And Clevo x370 have what it deserves. Ruin and isolation from European market. Clevo, come back to leave MSI titan as a minor machine.
Agree, Clevo is dead to me without LGA socket and MXM, rip P870 Imagine how many of an AM5 socket model they would have sold with X3D chips. But all we have is an isolated number of crappy models with Zen 4 HX and X3D with poor availability, and Intel's still dominating with their inferior and horribly hungry "8 real cores and a bunch of cinebench accelerators" stuff
Why not AMD cpus in the Neo laptops? They are already in the Core laptops. For those who want to buy not the most powerful, but the most efficient set up, a Ryzen 7 7840HS + RTX 4080 in a Neo 16 would be the ideal, as AMD has way flatter power scaling.
Ryzen 7 7840HS can be a bottleneck for an RTX 4080/4090 in some gaming scenarios. We are considering to bundle AMD "Hawk Point" with RTX 4060 in XMG FUSION 15 later. // Tom
@@xmg_gg can I ask what gaming scenarios? Jarrod did a comparison to Intel 13700H and there seemed to be hardly a difference, and I doubt 14th gen gives any improvement. And for low noise gaming it seems way better, as I bet at 40W it outplays most Intel CPUs, but that is just my assumption. Would love to see some data.
@@charno_zhyem I don't have hard data to cite from, but I would assume any CPU-heavy scenarios such as multiplayer with lots of concurrent players, physics-heavy games, 1% low in general, any graphics settings that reach higher FPS (e.g. not "Ultra"). Also, i7-13700H is not on the same level as i9-13900HX or i9-14900HX. But I still take your point: AMD Ryzen would be more efficient overall, which is why we consider it with RTX 4060 at least. // Tom
I can buy It for 2700 Eur with 14900hz and RTX 4090 and put my 32gb 6400mhz cl38 RAM and my 2x 990 pro 4TB tò have a definitive system with max possible Speed RAM and SSD Storage and Speed with the max CPU and max GPU at the less expensive price out here today (Who gives you a 2024 17" base with RTX 4090 for 2700 Eur?) the only problem Is that i don t have any review and any benchmark of this Laptop. Can you make a review and compare how Much difference Is with e23 version with 13900hx? Also tò see if It can compete in gaming with 7945hx3d and also if there are similar laptops out there. I prefer XMG because It runs cooler, can put 6400mhz RAM with BIOS mod, can undervolt CPU, comes with liquid metal, have a special customer service, costs less, offer the possibility tò sell It with 8gb RAM and no SSDs so you can put your RAM and SSDs, has a Thunderbolt 4 40gbps for my 4000mb/s External 4TB SSD. I would like tò buy It but dunno if tò wait next gen with new Intel cpu and Nvidia GPU, or Simply take this but a want a full review from you and compare tò e23 13900hx and with Asus rog Strix Scar 17 X3D with 7945hx3d, or if there are similar products with the specs i Need so tò read elsewhere similar reviews?
Frankly I don’t like the displays, in 2024 a 500 nits edge-lit LCD with not so good contrast and HDR performance in a Top tier laptop is a deal breaker for me, at least a miniLED with 2000 zones of local dimming and a peak of 1000 nits would be perfect
Correction for timecode 8:53 | The Ethernet port is only 1 Gigabit, not 2.5 Gigabit. This applies to all of 2024 NEO and FUSION with RTX 4060/4070.
Gotta give it to XMG, first brand to let Jarrod put out benchmarks
GizmoSlipTech did a livestream with them last week where they did a live Cinebench R23 and Time Spy where it did fantastic! However, without a binned 14980HX like with 13th gen, there's far more variation between scores.
You know a company is legit when they send their laptops to Garrod😊.
@@xmg_gg So it looks like you've mostly copied the Lenovo Legion Pro 5/7 line here on the 16 inch model external design, and then added your liquid cooling. That's probably a very good idea, and I hope you sell a ton of them! Lenovo needs to get their ass kicked for putting out a $4k pumped-water-loop laptop that doesn't actually have the liquid loop touch any heat sinks, and then only putting the best QOL stuff in that stupid machine. Presumably they were going to have an external cooler but then somebody realized patents were a thing.
@@ahgflyguythey don’t design the chassis iirc, it’s designed by tongfang and XMG purchases the rights to manufacture laptops using that design
Great updates.
When I was cross shopping the 2023 version with legion pro 7, the main drawbacks of the xmg were dimmer screen/louder keys/no usb-c charging/no liquid cooling over cpu
Glad to see they listen to consumer feedback and upgrades accordingly
Id love to see this be used more often on more laptops to allow a powerful laptop to function as a low powered thin&light when on the move but still be a decent desktop when at home.
I love how they keep working on the watercooling and making it better and better. A bit of a let down that the 17" model is getting less attention. But 16" from my experience is a pretty good sweet spot for size and portability and I'm sure is the more popular size. So not surprised it got the new chassis. I wish they got new Gan chargers like some of the bigger companies got. But maybe that'll come later?
I know it's a pipe dream, but can you imagine a water cooled 14" laptop? Probably too small to make it happen, but that would be so cool if they actually pulled it off.
I disagree. The 17 inch model got the new improved cooling sooner than 16 inch.
love the fact that when you are home you can just plug it into water cooling and get crazy performance. I usually like to dock my laptop and connect it to an external screen. this is very appealing for me. but personally I want an all amd config. they really didn't show up much last year for some reason. also would be keeping an eye on the framework 16 but it might just be too light and weak for me. also really excited for the new cooling solutions from frore. hope we get some exciting deals!!
You still get Laptop Performance, you cannot even compete with a desktop 4080.
@@marlo8850 You can't put your "desktop 4080" computer in your back pack
@@marlo8850 its not even portable too, he should get an egpu with an igpu laptop since he has an extra monitor too
yea but i dont want to compete with a desktop 4080 it should be plenty strong for my purposes @@marlo8850
egpu enclosures are still performance limited by their ports@@MLTAKOS
This actually makes my 2023 Legion 7i pro blush. Love that they FINALLY went 500 nits on the screen too. 350 just ain’t hitting for a modern expensive laptop. Also jealous of the ALL metal chassis. Why Lenovo cheaped out with plastic for 2023 and now also 2024 absolutely baffles me. Will be keeping a keen eye on XMG come 5000 series GPU time.
Lenovo: doesn't matter.. people like you are still buying 😁
Lenovo Legion 7i Pro: He does everything I do.
XMG Neo 16: But better.
@@noliebetweenus lol true, but I did also only buy it because I got a hefty 38% discount on a custom 4090 variant when they launched using a particularly nefarious cheat code 😉
I am happy with my 5i but the other manufacturers definetly raised the bar this year. New aluminium chassis, finally good mousepads, decent speakers.
@@CyanRooper probably at least a $1000 more expensive too.
The neo 16 almost looks similar to the legion 7 2022 model. Man the 2022 legions were the best, but now, lenovo cheaped out and made it just a bit more better in build quality than the pro 5. I know the legion 9 exists and that the xmg neo 16 would realistically compete with that in terms of pricing and performance, but man, i really wish lenovo would bring back the glory days of the legion 7 and also the amd advantage version.
Hey there Jarrod.. that's SO MUCH BETTER. Last time we chatted, I had the previous 16" on order, but they could not deliver on time. I eventually opted for the Asus Strix 18" with the RTX 4080 from Best Buy via a black Friday sale for under 2K. I'm so glad I went the ASUS route. There were a ton of reviews on Best Buy that talked about backlight bleed. My unit has none of that. The 18" screen, because of my eyesight, has made all the difference, and I'm able to work a full day without discomfort. I'm excited to see how this new XMG unit performs. I'm sure it will be awesome. I'm glad they got it updated. This looks really cool.
Cheers
Rick
I have a NEO 17 (M22) with watercooler and this thing is awesome! Makes it way quieter and laptop fans barely kick in. No need for a stand and to worry about dust buildup.
I modded a Clevo with watercooling and it draws 400W+ with the fans still on low, that GPU-only cooling loop in the 2023 model was such a horrific waste. I can push this CPU to what the board limit is, 170W, with my modded heatsink which is the stock one with one of those cheap AliExpress 40x40mm square copper waterblocks soldered on top (and liquid metal. The stock heatsink is rated 95W)
They should run that line all over the whole heatsink, I split my line into 2 across the mega dual GPU vapour chamber and they've never been over 75C even when benched under modded power limits up to 250W... Each
@@greebj that's superb results!
It's excellent that you have the option of buying the new cooler too
@@JarrodsTechwhat laptop would you recommend me in 2024? My budget is 1.8k
@@WEZFYKAN...this one? lol
I doubt that they will offer attractive prices competing with the Legion Pro 7. At this point, looking at the European market, you could get the Legion Pro 7 with 4090 in the UK Lenovo for 2300€. When it comes to the German market (where XMG comes from), you can get the Legion Pro 7 with 4080 for 2399€ almost on the spot. With that in mind, and looking at XMG's prices, I doubt they will be able to break through because their prices are simply too high. Let's be honest - if they want to compete with giants like Lenovo, they need to have better prices than them.
Ahahaha, I definitely agree
Where you get Legion Pro 7 with 4080 for 2399€?
Which store sells a Legion Pro 7 with 4090 for 2300€ in Europe? The lowest I’ve seen such a laptop is on Lenovo France’s website at 3000€ for the AMD CPU version.
I'm still waiting for anything to offer a performance improvement over my legion 5 pro without just having to pay more money for it.
It's so unexciting for new performance to come out but it's same cost/frame as what I already have.
@@kimnorberg9783 Amazon
Glad to see they reworked the Neo 16 and the bottom chin is gone.
Tom from XMG if you're reading this: please put an AMD CPU in the Fusion 15! It will be such a nice portable option. I assume it's also thinner, not only light. Such a laptop must have a CPU which allows portability. I've never seen a 15.3" screen, it's very innovative. Well done!
It was in plans last year but did not end up released IIRC
Confirmed read. Do you still want an NVIDIA RTX GeForce together with this AMD CPU?
There is a realistic opportunity to pair an AMD Ryzen "Hawk Point" with an RTX 4060 in XMG FUSION 15 (2024), but the weight and thickness would be the same like the Intel version. Pairing it also with an RTX 4070 is currently an uphill battle because the RTX 4060 is the much more popular SKU in terms of global volume. // Tom
@@xmg_gg Yes, yes, yes! A 8840HS (I suppose this is the name of the "updated" 7840HS) with a 4060 would be perfect. I don't know how popular the 4070 is in your devices, but my blind assumption is that the 4060 and the 4080 are the more popular ones anyway. I think if you can offer this with an AMD CPU and a 4050/4060, it would be a great machine. What is the z height of this chassis? I assume it's less than 25mm at the thickest point. It would be a shame to lock such a nice portable device to the power outlet with an Intel HX CPU.
@@antalpoti z-height is 21.9mm on XMG FUSION 15 (E24). // Tom
@@xmg_ggEven though I think the design of the 2024 Fusion 15 is a downgrade from the M22 version (so I probably won't buy it), I would also love to see more AMD + Nvidia configs. Been looking for laptops like these but there aren't really many options
Love the coverage. However, I was expecting them to release some models with Meteor Lake Core Ultra series, with Slim & Light design rather than just Raptor Lake HX refresh. A Core Ultra 7 155H + 100W RTX 4070/4060 4 lbs laptop could have been great for portability and performance.
Would definitely love these laptops with Ryzen options as well.
they have oudone themselves. heir sales should be really in tens of millions if not more as chassis & capability in addition to price, all deserves much more recognitions & widespread use everywhere.
Can't wait for next gen 2024 more expensive legion laptops, that's the real thing everyone is interested in
True
Hopefully thats sarcastic, a price rise is insane when it's the same gawd darn silicon inside the thing
Refreshes are just vendors' excuse to reset prices to new generation launch levels.
nah man, same build, maybe updated components, bigger price because pay up, we need the money@@greebj
Would it be worth it travelling to Europe to get this water cooled laptop or not just wondering as it was arguably the best performing 16 inch laptop last year ? This is also considering if you have family there as well and the water cooling loop got upgraded also.
Odds are you probably can find it under another name locally. They are still just "no name" (assuming still tongfang) laptops after all even if XMG is the biggest name in tuning and showing them off.
Aftershocks looks to have the 2023 model for Australia so will probably have the 2024 model at some point
@@simster2759 And Eluktronics in the U.S. will also sell the same chassis in the U.S. So it will be in the U.S.
International postage is a thing, though duties and insurance usually makes it a lot more expensive than a local reseller and adds hurdles for support/warranty if things do go wrong.
However, some resellers such as XMG and Eluktronics add value over the standard Tongfang experience by offering more customisations and devving their own firmware, software and tweaks
Yes it would be worth it.
These laptops are made by Tongfang originally and you can find them in various names in various markets. XMG/Tuxedo/Schenker in EU, PC Specialist in the UK, Eluktronics in the USA just some example
that blank keyboard is sick, I want one
yeah, way cooler than the normal one
It's great until you need the function keys for something. 😅
The Lenovo legion 9 should've external water cooling like this xmg for 4 grand
Thanks for this video, waiting for your official in depth review of the 17 neo and 16 neo (24). I wonder if the small differences between the new chassis of the neo 16 are enough to consider it over the neo 17. The awsd intake, the cooling pipes integration, and mechanical water cooling connection, etc.
Where’s the Legion laptops coverage?
I would like to see some kinda 13" or 14" Oasis compatible laptop (think Asus' Flow X13 but not capped at ~75W) that would let you make use of higher power limits (i.e. ~60-80W 4080/90 when not plugged in but like ~150W when it is)
!remindme 12 months. // Tom
@@xmg_gg make sure it's still kinda competitive (with say the Zephyrus G14) without the Oasis though
and in a year it will need to be 5080+AMD (idk how Nvidia will segment/power limit feels bad)
and obligatory good battery + HDR + no OLED/miniLED if it kills battery
@@yeshwantkethineni3694 Of course! // Tom
That looks like a legion 7 2022 chasis
This combined with a EGPU would be amazing.
But how do we connect it to egpu i see the same bandwidth issues again apart from occulink or thunderbolt 5 connectivity being available
What for? You already get a 4080/4090 in the laptop.
having a amd HX variant would itearliy mean we gona able get stock 5950x performance on a laptop if we dock the it with cooler. yes please.
Intel 13900HX and up, 7945HX and up are already better than overclocked 5950x
Half Asians are some of the most ethereally people I have ever seen ❤
6:16 wow a desktop 4090? 😱 I mean there is no "laptop GPU" in the name so it's gotta be the real one, right?
Our product spec sheets specify that it's a "Laptop GPU". We sympathise with the point you are making, but on the other hand - there is not a single proper laptop out there that is *not* using NVIDIA Laptop GPUs - so the moniker is often left out out of habit. We ask for forgiveness and we will pay better attention to video captions in future sponsorings. // Tom
@@xmg_gg so you're gonna pretend 1000 and 2000 series laptop GPUs don't exist, huh? ok then. I mean almost all of them had exactly the same specs as the desktop ones while having the same name, aside from power limits that is. But if you're saying that the situation we have now is the same as in Pascal and Turing I have nothing to add.
@@TabalugaDragonPoint taken. // To
3:59 ngl I kinda like the sleek look blank keys give
Eluktronics version of the Fusion 15 with Hawk Point when?
The Fusion 15 should have used Meteor Lake I just don't understand these thinner laptops using Raptor Lake HX they are meant to be taken around easily which means they should have good battery life and I don't expect the HX cpus to do well in that 1.99kg chassis such a missed opportunity
If I'm not mistaken, XMG is buying in bulk so they get good prices for the i9 HX. Same as last year, every Intel model they sold came with an i9 13900HX. I wish they would diversify their portfolio a bit. Something like the Fusion 15 we saw above definitely would have made more sense with Hawk Point or Meteor Lake. It's thin and light, isn't aimed at maximum possible performance, it should have a CPU optimised for battery life imo.
Atlteast its nowhere as bad as thin and light laptop with core i9 cpu which is stupid since it will leave tons of cpu performance on the table
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 people buying thin gaming laptops like me are fine with sacrificing performance so this isn't really an issue for them they care about battery life and other features
Raptor Lake HX is surprisingly efficient in all-core workloads at medium power limits. For example, when limited to 80 watts, the i9-13900HX has 36% higher Cinebench R23 Multi score than the Ryzen 7 7840HS at 80 watts. Meteor Lake would be even slower than Phoenix in this scenario. Sometimes, just having a lot of cores helps a lot. For the more battery-optimized segment, we would rather bundle XMG FUSION with AMD "Hawk Point" at some point. Meteor Lake will first launch in iGPU-only laptops, so it can really leverage its iGPU and NPU. // Tom
@@xmg_gg About Meteor Lake the main compute die seems like it's underperforming but the rest of the SoC like the NPU, iGPU and LP cores do seem to be doing well I would expect actually great battery life with Meteor Lake and yeah I can understand the RPL-HX situation
So last year Tongfang removed the loop over the CPU and now they backtracked on it 🤡
I'm curious if adding an additional cooling pad to the water cooled system makes any difference?🧐
This is actually a very interesting concept
Taking the good things from Legion I see
And I'm loving that
puts ROG to shame
Feel sad for the early adopters of that external watercooling solution as the tiny waterpipe over just on component couldnt have been enough. Now they did a proper design where all components get cooled. I build myself a DIY watercooling solution for my MSI GE67 HX and it makes enormous difference regarding noise, even under full gameing load the CPU/ GPU never get hotter than about 60 Celsius, before it idled at 80 and the tiny fans where screaming under load.
Would love an 18Inch model with all the bells & whistles + watercooling feature.
I find 15 inch laptop to be the perfect sweet spot
There's, of course, some level of irony that the only reason these obscenely crazy cooling solutions are needed for the CPU side is primarily Intel's absolute lack of power efficiency on the high end. I believe at this point the community is aware of notebookcheck's review for the engineering sample of the 17 inch version of this XMG NEO notebook. If you're not, they found this i9 was slower than both the old 13th gen i9 as well as AMD's HX and X3D flagships in quite a few cases. In at least cinebench, and nearly every game tested, the X3D was somewhere between a little bit and quite a bit faster than both i9s while drawing as little as a third of the power to do so.
On an AMD equivalent notebook that lets them put all of the extra cooling directly into the size class up GPU that they now have the power and thermal budget for. If your CPU will only needs up to 100 watts, and you have a 330 watt brick, you can now put in a 200 watt GPU versus trying to power balance a 230 watt CPU allowance and a 170 watt GPU on a 330W psu.
A water cooler would help cool both configurations of course, but personally, I would take the more efficient and faster CPU, and tolerances for a much beefier dGPU.
Absolutely amazing
It's sad that nvidia lost the opportunity to launch a "4070 Super" for laptops in addition to those for desktop
Hello, please tell me which laptop to choose between:
HP omen 16 2023 (intel core i5-13420h, rtx 4050 140w, 16 GB ddr5)
Asus tuf gaming a15 2023 (ryzen 7-7735hs, rtx 4050 140w, 16GB ddr5)
Lenovo legion slim 5 16' 2023 (ryzen 5-7640hs, rtx 4050 100w, 16GB ddr5)
Lenovo loq 15' 2023 (intel core i5-13500h, rtx 4050 95w, 16 GB ddr5)
I was just missing your TongFang chassis videos. ❤
Hahahahahaha
TongFang everywhere
If only it had a miniLED display. For 4000EUR, it absolutely should. This is the only thing keeping me from buying it vs something like a Legion 9i.
I'm looking at this laptop and considering buying it to upgrade from my laptops RTX 3070 8gb gpu 105w. How viable is the liquid cooling solution for long gaming sessions on that RTX 4090? Will the GPU and CPU stay cold enough on silent fans profiles? Are the mechanical keyboard buttons very loud? It's an expensive product and I want to be sure that it will fit my needs, I travel only every 2 weeks by flight, I keep the laptop stationary once I reach my destination.
I fixed IT All: sold notebook and made PC desktop.
Finally.
😁
Hey Jarrod, big brazilian fan here, first of all congrats on your superb work, secondly can you add Counter Strike 2 on your gaming tests for all the new up coming reviews?
We are using it already for the LDAT tests, but not sure we will other with game FPS as it seems to run well enough on most stuff. That said we are looking at picking 3 new games some time in the future so we'll see.
@@JarrodsTech Thanks for the reply, I just asked because here in Brazil the 4080`s and above laptops are way too expensive, so generally we buy the 4060 or 4070 versions to play on 1440p 240hz monitors. So I would like to know if these laptop specs could sustain 240+ fps on CS2.
Thanks anyway and keep your excelent work.
Please AMD, give the 3DVCache mobile CPUs to XMG Fusion. We need it in a system like this
More X3Ds in everything! Usable multi cores for high performance use that doesn't need 150W+ and jet loud fan noise to get the work done
and for gaming where the efficiency means less CPU draw while gaming which makes less of a problem of these weak sauce 250W TBP limits and weeny tiny chargers.
instead of water cooled, i wonder if a simple metal connection to extend the heat pipe would work.. the external portion would just be a passive heat sink
This would be too slow for two reason:
1) Radiating heat through a piece of metal is way slower than pumping hot water out of the system.
2) Once that passive heat sink is soaked hot (please don't touch), radiating it away with infrared light is way slower than having a proper 120mm radiator with fan.
Nice idea, but not realistic. // Tom
When comparing the highest end laptops from last year does the water cooling make any difference cause it seems the Asus Scar 17 was still faster and offered more performance ??
Can we expect to see a full review of this laptop or new Hydroc16 model by Eluktronics?
Maybe the water cooler can make laptop set up look more professional but the real efficient cooling is the cooling pad, 1/10 price with the ability to cool cpu, gpu, ssd, battery,... ;))
What i don't understand about this laptop is if you are going to have an extra block that you attach to your laptop, why making it a water cooling block? Why not an external gpu?
Having the laptop with an integrated gpu only will make it perfect for daily tasks if you want to just take it for college or watch youtube, and when you want to play you just plug in your normal fan-cooled external gpu (which would probably have much better performance than a water cooled laptop gpu)
I remember rog had something similar like 3 years ago
What you describe is nothing new. You can get any laptop with a good CPU and Thunderbolt 4 and connect an eGPU to it. There is no need for a proprietary solution for this. For example, you can take a look at SCHENKER VISION 14 or VISION 16 with Intel Core i7-13620H and Thunderbolt 4.
What's special about XMG NEO: you have a powerful all-in-one package that runs perfectly well without the water cooling unit. The water cooling is an optional add-on, not a requirement. // Tom
If they would have the AMD X3D v-cache CPU's supported with RTX4080/RTX4090.
Ryzen X3D in laptops is currently only available on the "Dragon Range" platform (also known as the FL1 platform). We currently have no laptops with Dragon Range in the immediate planning, especially not for XMG NEO and FUSION series.
Background: Dragon Range is not compatible with models currently in the portfolio with AMD "Phoenix" (FP7/FP8 platform). Dragon Range requires new motherboard designs and corresponding support from AMD (and NVIDIA if you want to add an NVIDIA GPU). // Tom
@@xmg_gg Thank You for clarifying that. But that does not mean, that those would not sell like hot cakes off the shelf. AMD is much easier to cool and 3D vcache models even more so. You would get better or similar gaming performance as with 13900HX/14900HX, but with less noise.
But nobody for some reason has laptops with AMD 3D cache.
So it XMG vs Eluktronics. Which is better?
They sell the same laptops, just in different markets (EU and US respectively)
Oh ok thanks because the Prometheus g2 is on Amazon for 2400
NICE !!! they offer this new cooler to my 2023 model too ?? , that would be an impressive move !
Im curious if there is a performance difference between the 17 and 16 while watercooled since the 16 has the better cooler.
I wish there was a neo-17 with Ryzen and 4090.
About time they fixed the gimmick aspect.
I really appreciate the engineering of the new cooling solutions, but I would not buy anything with a current gen Intel heater.
What's wrong with the button keys? No letters written on them...
CES sample, not final final product. // Tom
Legion 7 / 5 Pro design + watercooling
Why have u not reviewed and benchmarked the AMD's 7900M yet? Whats going in in general with amd and their laptop gpus this generation?
does the liquid cooling system also make a difference regarding fan noises, like a more quiet expierence?
Yes. With liquid cooling, laptop fan RPM are automatically cut in half during heavy CPU+GPU load. With GPU-focused loads, the RPM are even less than half. The Cinebench results in the video are with manual Fan Boost, however, to get a few more percentage points of scores for benchmarking. // Tom
@@xmg_gg thank you for the answer, i guess its time for me go get a new xmg in march🙏🏼
Whoa, I didn't know water cooling laptop is a thing? This is so cool!
that's the point isn't it... to keep it cool 😂
Ahh my comment didn't make any sense now that I re-read it.
What I meant to say was that, I didn't know that they made water-cooling for laptop. So this was pretty cool for me to see.
Hey Jarrod, it's been a long time since I interacted with you. I got myself a HP OMEN 16, i7 13th gen, RTX 4050 variant. This thing doesn't have the feature to limit battery charge. What do I do in this case?
is there any laptop that use airjet cooling system yet?
they look almost identical to the legion lineup from lenovo
I am split between this and the scar 18 2024 , scar doesnt feel right so I might be ending up with the smaller Neo 16 2024
Lenovo LOQ i5-13420H rtx 2050
Is this laptop better for the price of USD 760 ?
The VAT here is 18% 😕
But how does it affect the comp. when there is no watercooling applied? It goes all around the comp. bottom but if there is no water circulating then how does it distribute heat?
Normal air cooling setup like every other laptop with heat pipes + radiators + fans
Without the external radiator Tongfang laptops have worse Air cooling than Asus Lenovo Msi by a wide margin.
CPU and GPU are directly connected via liquid metal to nickel-plated copper, which is soldered together with the air cooling system. Because the water loop in XMG NEO 16 goes *around* the CPU and GPU (instead of criss-crossing over CPU/GPU), as seen in 0:48, an empty water loop (filled with air) does NOT affect the thermal transmission from CPU and GPU hot spots to the heatpipes. // Tom
I wish the 17" had cooling as good as the 16, but this 16" (will be under aftershockpc laptops in Australia for anyone wondering) might be the overall best laptop of 2024. The screen is 500 nits now which is great vs last year 300 nits, and the cooling is just sensational. That CPU power output is crazy good.
I just wish it had dolby vision, as that truly transforms Netflix on non HDR non 4K displays. Oh well.
The Asus G16 is interesting and has a 240hz OLED but the GPU power limit is way too low and it's 7 grand with the 4090 in Australia.. It's ridiculous.. for just 1TB of storage and 32GB ram. For those prices, Asus can keep it. I paid less for my GT77 in 2023 with 64GB and 4TB and I get over 22K in timespy and the GPU always hits 170w+ even if the CPU is on 80 or even 90 watts. So......
I actually think the Razer 16 and this Tongfeng (XMG, aftershock, Eluktroniks, etc) are the two to watch out for this year. I'll reserve judgement on the Dell X16 until I find out if they improved the panel or not.
So 14900hx does with water cooling what 7945hx does without it, am I missing something?
😂indeed, that's why amd is not updating their hx this year
Looks almost like Legion 7 2021
it does because it is rebrand of Mechrevo Light 16 Super 2024 from China mainland where they share design together
I was only waiting for Usbc charging to upgrade my 2021 model
Use amd and make it thinner?
Black colour absorb more heat
So much foolishness xmg could have used white colour or light colour heat pipe
I have a question. You see you can install amd 3000, 4000 and 5000 on same mobo.
Why laptops dont support such upgradability?
Intel and AMD use completely different motherboard designs (BGA socket sizes and pin-layouts), as the motherboard designs (including all the stuff around the CPU like chipsets etc.) are closely aligned with the technology layout of the CPU. // Tom
@@xmg_gg Ok. Understandable. But again. AMD managed to make 3 gens get equiped/installed into 1 mobo socket. Why cant laptops do this? your statement does not answer my question.
Because laptop CPUs are integrated into the motherboard.
It is just me or xmg neo 16 have very similar shape as lenovo legion series ?
Can you make a review video of HP OMEN 16 AMD Ryzen 7840Hs
Can you make a video about
Msi sword 15 (Rtx 4060 8G)
Why does the laptop remind me of legion 5 pro design 🤔
If the cooling liquid coolant runs out ? How it be replaced
There is a big refill port on the top of XMG OASIS. We ship with a bottle of distilled water. // Tom
Is the loq i7 14700hx +4060 review comming.
Hi Jarrod! Love your videos. I discovered your channel because I was about to be gifted a gaming laptop. I would like to know your thoughts regarding Acer Predator Triton 14? I saw your reply on reddit that you're trying to get it, would wanna know on the update and your thoughts on the laptop as it is currently on sale. Cheers!
Should one wait for 2024 laptops? Or get 2023
2023 still worth it.
Buy 2023, its the same spec when u buy high end laptop.
2023 will save you double fold since discounts are common and 2024 models have a crazy 20-30% mark up. And the GPUs are exactly the same between this year and last year. 14th gen Intel is a marginal upgrade at best.
TLDR: 2023 is the way to go.
Soon I will be in the market to buy another all-AMD laptop. I hope they show up by then, because I will never pay double the price for any Nvidia-equipped machine, especially considering all the weird, random issues that many gamers seem to be having with them.
Please check out TUXEDO Sirius 16, an all-AMD gaming laptop. // Tom
you say U's sooooo goofy lmao
How do I buy this laptop in the US? I really want a 4060/ 70 veriant of the 16 inch version I know eluktronics is the same thing but they havent updated their website yet for the new machines.
Arriving April 15th
Does Optimus cost any performance?
It used to, but with the introduction of CASO, it's not as much of an issue anymore. More info on CASO here: czcams.com/video/6WN52oBziLU/video.html
Pretty copy of Lenovo Legion the new XmgNeo16 (by Tongfang).
Good for new liquid circuit without forget about cpu (ridiculous for the 2023 model)
Good for no MX cherry. I prefer a silent keyboard.
The rest, is pure Lenovo Legion 7. (So, well too).
I would love a Lenovo with 4k screen, expandable up to 128gb ram. Tongfang/Xmg failed again, but closer to a better laptop.
And Clevo x370 have what it deserves. Ruin and isolation from European market.
Clevo, come back to leave MSI titan as a minor machine.
Agree, Clevo is dead to me without LGA socket and MXM, rip P870
Imagine how many of an AM5 socket model they would have sold with X3D chips. But all we have is an isolated number of crappy models with Zen 4 HX and X3D with poor availability, and Intel's still dominating with their inferior and horribly hungry "8 real cores and a bunch of cinebench accelerators" stuff
I think this is a little silly; but if you got the money.
lenovo legion chassis
Damn, i though i am the only one who notice that it is lenovo legion pro 5 or 7 chassis on xmg neo 16, despite it have heatpipe for water cooling
yea look similar probably from same factory lenovo gets it, but its a good chassis regardless@@mrbobgamingmemes9558
crazy... make legion looks weak
Why not AMD cpus in the Neo laptops? They are already in the Core laptops. For those who want to buy not the most powerful, but the most efficient set up, a Ryzen 7 7840HS + RTX 4080 in a Neo 16 would be the ideal, as AMD has way flatter power scaling.
Ryzen 7 7840HS can be a bottleneck for an RTX 4080/4090 in some gaming scenarios. We are considering to bundle AMD "Hawk Point" with RTX 4060 in XMG FUSION 15 later. // Tom
@@xmg_gg can I ask what gaming scenarios? Jarrod did a comparison to Intel 13700H and there seemed to be hardly a difference, and I doubt 14th gen gives any improvement. And for low noise gaming it seems way better, as I bet at 40W it outplays most Intel CPUs, but that is just my assumption. Would love to see some data.
@@charno_zhyem I don't have hard data to cite from, but I would assume any CPU-heavy scenarios such as multiplayer with lots of concurrent players, physics-heavy games, 1% low in general, any graphics settings that reach higher FPS (e.g. not "Ultra"). Also, i7-13700H is not on the same level as i9-13900HX or i9-14900HX. But I still take your point: AMD Ryzen would be more efficient overall, which is why we consider it with RTX 4060 at least. // Tom
i mean nice, but why not go with AMD, i want actual 16 cores
All made by TongFang?
I can buy It for 2700 Eur with 14900hz and RTX 4090 and put my 32gb 6400mhz cl38 RAM and my 2x 990 pro 4TB tò have a definitive system with max possible Speed RAM and SSD Storage and Speed with the max CPU and max GPU at the less expensive price out here today (Who gives you a 2024 17" base with RTX 4090 for 2700 Eur?) the only problem Is that i don t have any review and any benchmark of this Laptop. Can you make a review and compare how Much difference Is with e23 version with 13900hx? Also tò see if It can compete in gaming with 7945hx3d and also if there are similar laptops out there. I prefer XMG because It runs cooler, can put 6400mhz RAM with BIOS mod, can undervolt CPU, comes with liquid metal, have a special customer service, costs less, offer the possibility tò sell It with 8gb RAM and no SSDs so you can put your RAM and SSDs, has a Thunderbolt 4 40gbps for my 4000mb/s External 4TB SSD. I would like tò buy It but dunno if tò wait next gen with new Intel cpu and Nvidia GPU, or Simply take this but a want a full review from you and compare tò e23 13900hx and with Asus rog Strix Scar 17 X3D with 7945hx3d, or if there are similar products with the specs i Need so tò read elsewhere similar reviews?
Impressive specs but portability factor = 0
Frankly I don’t like the displays, in 2024 a 500 nits edge-lit LCD with not so good contrast and HDR performance in a Top tier laptop is a deal breaker for me, at least a miniLED with 2000 zones of local dimming and a peak of 1000 nits would be perfect